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WMR
04-08-2009, 03:05 AM
Never seen so much premature self-back slapping in one post. :lol:

AtomicDumpling
04-08-2009, 03:12 AM
Never seen so much premature self-back slapping in one post. :lol:

You haven't seen anything yet partner. :D

nate
04-08-2009, 08:18 AM
I used tea leaves to pick my players.

TRF
04-08-2009, 09:47 AM
Ok, I spilled my secrets....what approach do you guys all use?

voodoo.

That and I wanted to dominate in pitching, which i tend to view as undervalued in fantasy leagues. For offense I wanted a mix of vets and high upside 1st and 2nd year players, hence Schafer, Cruz, Bonifacio and Baker added to players on the comeback trail, Lopez, Blalock, Furcal and Johnson.

It's a volatile mix, and one that could backfire, but its an interesting offense.

WMR
04-08-2009, 12:49 PM
I wanted a squad that would give me a chance to compete this season but would also be good--and hopefully getting better--for years to come. All my players asides from a couple still have quite a bit of upside, especially my pitching. I like my pitching as much or more than anyone's. I really, really love my young pitching.

Liriano
Nolasco
Papelbon
Jenks
Danks
Garza
Slowey
Volstad
Kuroda
Sheets
Tommy Hanson
Neftali Feliz
Jose Ceda

TRF
04-13-2009, 10:13 AM
You ladies are going to make this season a cakewalk. I'll consider this my crowning Fantasy Baseball achievement when I win this league. I may even retire. Nothing left to prove after decimating all of you.

first major smack talk of the season.

nate
04-13-2009, 10:16 AM
You ladies are going to make this season a cakewalk. I'll consider this my crowning Fantasy Baseball achievement when I win this league. I may even retire. Nothing left to prove after decimating all of you.

first major smack talk of the season.

Oh yeah?

first major comeback of the season.

TRF
04-13-2009, 10:31 AM
I am officially put in my place.

nate
04-13-2009, 03:04 PM
I am officially put in my place.

I've got you right where I want you!

TRF
04-13-2009, 03:41 PM
I've got you right where I want you!

in first? excellent strategy. I applaud your efforts and keen tactical mind.

AtomicDumpling
04-13-2009, 04:35 PM
You ladies are going to make this season a cakewalk. I'll consider this my crowning Fantasy Baseball achievement when I win this league. I may even retire. Nothing left to prove after decimating all of you.

first major smack talk of the season.

It would be your greatest achievement by far, but it is not going to happen. You will not be crowned, you will be thrown in the dungeon with the rest of the losers after I am crowned Champion of Redszone!

AtomicDumpling
05-10-2009, 10:53 PM
Standings as of May 10th:


Team R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. mbgrayson 12 5 8 9 7 11 5 10 7 12 86
2. Atomic Dumpling 9 2 3 12 9 2 12 6 12 11 78
3. redsfandan 3 9 5 9 10 3.5 8.5 8 10 9 75
4. TRF's debacle 8 7 6 4 11 3.5 7 9 11 7 73.5
4. Gilpdawg 10 10.5 4 11 2 12 3 11 6 4 73.5
6. stephenk29 11 12 12 1 12 7.5 10 5 1 1 72.5
7. The Basecloggers 2 8 7 3 4 5.5 8.5 12 8.5 5 63.5
8. reds77 6 6 11 6.5 6 9 4 7 3 3 61.5
9. CRF2000 7 4 2 9 5 10 2 3 8.5 9 59.5
10.nate 5 10.5 10 2 8 7.5 1 2 5 6 57
11.WMR Ghetty Green 4 3 9 6.5 3 5.5 6 4 4 9 54
12.camisadelgolf is #1 1 1 1 5 1 1 11 1 2 2 26

Just thought I would post these for the record, so we can come back and see how things have changed later in the season.

nate
05-11-2009, 08:39 AM
Standings as of May 10th:


Team R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. mbgrayson 12 5 8 9 7 11 5 10 7 12 86
2. Atomic Dumpling 9 2 3 12 9 2 12 6 12 11 78
3. redsfandan 3 9 5 9 10 3.5 8.5 8 10 9 75
4. TRF's debacle 8 7 6 4 11 3.5 7 9 11 7 73.5
4. Gilpdawg 10 10.5 4 11 2 12 3 11 6 4 73.5
6. stephenk29 11 12 12 1 12 7.5 10 5 1 1 72.5
7. The Basecloggers 2 8 7 3 4 5.5 8.5 12 8.5 5 63.5
8. reds77 6 6 11 6.5 6 9 4 7 3 3 61.5
9. CRF2000 7 4 2 9 5 10 2 3 8.5 9 59.5
10.nate 5 10.5 10 2 8 7.5 1 2 5 6 57
11.WMR Ghetty Green 4 3 9 6.5 3 5.5 6 4 4 9 54
12.camisadelgolf is #1 1 1 1 5 1 1 11 1 2 2 26

Just thought I would post these for the record, so we can come back and see how things have changed later in the season.

Oh man, you should've waited one day!

:cool:

camisadelgolf
05-11-2009, 05:55 PM
My team is flat-out dominant.

Honestly, I really don't understand what the heck happened. Before the season started, I thought I had the clear-cut best offense in the league. Did anyone see my team failing this badly on the offensive end?

AtomicDumpling
05-12-2009, 01:26 AM
Oh man, you should've waited one day!

:cool:

Yeah, you gained 10 points the next day. :thumbup:

AtomicDumpling
05-12-2009, 01:43 AM
My team is flat-out dominant.

Honestly, I really don't understand what the heck happened. Before the season started, I thought I had the clear-cut best offense in the league. Did anyone see my team failing this badly on the offensive end?

Well, you have been hit hard by injuries for one thing. I don't care how good a manager is, if you have too many injuries to your studs you are screwed.

I am not trying to criticize, but if I could find one problem theme it is too much youth. You have an awful lot of youngsters. Most of them have great potential and some have even shown flashes of production, but all-in-all you are light on solid, proven fantasy studs on the team (Vlad Guerrero, Brian Roberts, K-Rod, Brad Lidge, Cole Hamels). Having too many minor leaguers and too many injuries makes it impossible to field a top team on a daily basis.

Guys like Loney, Soto, Thome and Martin will start to play better. They are too good not to.

I don't think you need to throw in the towel yet by any means. Look at Nate, he was at the bottom a week ago and has gained 20 points since then. It is a long season. Maybe you can trade some prospects for some proven performers. Or you can go for broke and trade some proven performers for top prospects with the goal of dominating in a couple years from now.

Try to look for stat categories where you can make rapid progress in the ranks. Stats such as steals, saves and wins can sometimes be found cheaply and can shoot you up in the standings. Some stats are cheaper to find than others.

By using your innings pitched you will gain a bunch of points on the league in wins, saves and strikeouts. That alone should catch you up to the pack at least. You are 116 innings off pace already.

You probably already knew all this anyway, but I thought I would type it out just the same.

camisadelgolf
05-12-2009, 12:21 PM
Thanks, AD. Yeah, I pretty much figured all that stuff. During the draft, I put a focus on future production, but I still thought my offense could be near the best. I'm just surprised at the impact of injuries I've had so far because a lot of those guys aren't known for being on the DL.

Dom Heffner
05-30-2009, 11:49 AM
I think you forgot to add a "2" to the end of camisadelgolf is #1.

camisadelgolf
05-30-2009, 05:24 PM
I think you forgot to add a "2" to the end of camisadelgolf is #1.
No, I didn't. :cool:

AtomicDumpling
06-21-2009, 02:46 AM
Standings as of May 10th:


Team R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. mbgrayson 12 5 8 9 7 11 5 10 7 12 86
2. Atomic Dumpling 9 2 3 12 9 2 12 6 12 11 78
3. redsfandan 3 9 5 9 10 3.5 8.5 8 10 9 75
4. TRF's debacle 8 7 6 4 11 3.5 7 9 11 7 73.5
4. Gilpdawg 10 10.5 4 11 2 12 3 11 6 4 73.5
6. stephenk29 11 12 12 1 12 7.5 10 5 1 1 72.5
7. The Basecloggers 2 8 7 3 4 5.5 8.5 12 8.5 5 63.5
8. reds77 6 6 11 6.5 6 9 4 7 3 3 61.5
9. CRF2000 7 4 2 9 5 10 2 3 8.5 9 59.5
10.nate 5 10.5 10 2 8 7.5 1 2 5 6 57
11.WMR Ghetty Green 4 3 9 6.5 3 5.5 6 4 4 9 54
12.camisadelgolf is #1 1 1 1 5 1 1 11 1 2 2 26



Standings as of June 20th appear below. You can compare them to the standings from May 10th above.


Rank Team R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. nate 8 12 12 3 10 11 11 8 6 8.5 89.5
2. mbgrayson 10.5 9 9 9 4 10 5.5 9 11 11 88
3. Atomic Dumpling 12 3.5 8 12 12 2 12 3 10 10 84.5
4. Gilpdawg 9 8 6 11 5 12 3 11 4 3.5 72.5
5. stephenk29 10.5 10 11 4 9 5.5 9 6 3 1 69
6. TRF's debacle 4 5 2 1 8 8 5.5 10 12 12 67.5
7. CRF2000 6 6.5 5 6 7 9 1 5 9 7 61.5
8. reds77 7 11 10 7.5 3 7 2 7 2 2 58.5
9. redsfandan 3 6.5 4 5 11 1 8 2 7 6 53.5
10. The Basecloggers 1 3.5 3 2 2 5.5 7 12 8 8.5 52.5
11. WMR Ghetty Green 5 2 7 7.5 6 4 4 4 1 5 45.5
12. camisadelgolf is #1 2 1 1 10 1 3 10 1 5 3.5 37.5

Nate made a big move from 10th place to first after his two big trades. The standings have shaken up quite a bit. I wonder what they will look like next month...

camisadelgolf
06-21-2009, 03:33 AM
Wow, I gained 11.5 points. All of you shoudl be shaknig in your boots. I'm drukn.

*BaseClogger*
06-23-2009, 02:38 PM
Why can't I give away Carlos Pena?

TRF
06-23-2009, 03:25 PM
Why can't I give away Carlos Pena?

I'll give you FeLo for him. :)

AtomicDumpling
08-06-2009, 05:07 AM
Here are the standings from various dates this season. It is interesting to track the ups-and-downs of the league as the months go by.


May 10th:
R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. mbgrayson 12 5 8 9 7 11 5 10 7 12 86
2. Atomic Dumpling 9 2 3 12 9 2 12 6 12 11 78
3. redsfandan 3 9 5 9 10 3.5 8.5 8 10 9 75
4. TRF's debacle 8 7 6 4 11 3.5 7 9 11 7 73.5
4. Gilpdawg 10 10.5 4 11 2 12 3 11 6 4 73.5
6. stephenk29 11 12 12 1 12 7.5 10 5 1 1 72.5
7. The Basecloggers 2 8 7 3 4 5.5 8.5 12 8.5 5 63.5
8. reds77 6 6 11 6.5 6 9 4 7 3 3 61.5
9. CRF2000 7 4 2 9 5 10 2 3 8.5 9 59.5
10.nate 5 10.5 10 2 8 7.5 1 2 5 6 57
11.WMR Ghetty Green 4 3 9 6.5 3 5.5 6 4 4 9 54
12.camisadelgolf is #1 1 1 1 5 1 1 11 1 2 2 26

June 20th:
R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. nate 8 12 12 3 10 11 11 8 6 8.5 89.5
2. mbgrayson 10.5 9 9 9 4 10 5.5 9 11 11 88
3. Atomic Dumpling 12 3.5 8 12 12 2 12 3 10 10 84.5
4. Gilpdawg 9 8 6 11 5 12 3 11 4 3.5 72.5
5. stephenk29 10.5 10 11 4 9 5.5 9 6 3 1 69
6. TRF's debacle 4 5 2 1 8 8 5.5 10 12 12 67.5
7. CRF2000 6 6.5 5 6 7 9 1 5 9 7 61.5
8. reds77 7 11 10 7.5 3 7 2 7 2 2 58.5
9. redsfandan 3 6.5 4 5 11 1 8 2 7 6 53.5
10.The Basecloggers 1 3.5 3 2 2 5.5 7 12 8 8.5 52.5
11.WMR Ghetty Green 5 2 7 7.5 6 4 4 4 1 5 45.5
12.camisadelgolf is #1 2 1 1 10 1 3 10 1 5 3.5 37.5


August 6th:
R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. nate 9 12 12 6 10 11 12 8 8 7.5 95.5
2. Atomic Dumpling 11 4 8 12 12 5.5 11 6 9 9.5 88
3. mbgrayson 12 11 9.5 4.5 5 8 10 9 7 11 87
4. TRF's debacle 4 8 3 2 7 10 9 11 12 12 78
5. stephenk29 10 9 9.5 4.5 11 4 8 5 4.5 3 68.5
5. Gilpdawg 8 3 6 11 3 12 4 10 6 5.5 68.5
7. CRF2000 6 7 5 9 8.5 7 1 3 11 7.5 65
8. The Basecloggers 3 6 4 1 6 5.5 6 12 10 9.5 63
9. reds77 7 10 11 10 2 9 2 7 2 1 61
10.WMR Ghetty Green 5 5 7 7.5 4 3 5 4 1 5.5 47
11.redsfandan 1 2 1 3 8.5 1 3 2 4.5 4 30
12.camisadelgolf is #1 2 1 2 7.5 1 2 7 1 3 2 28.5
The battle for bragging rights continues!

Thanks to everybody for making this a competitive league. Everyone has done a great job of paying attention and doing their best to win. Hopefully all of us will be playing together in this league for many seasons.

Most random, anonymous Yahoo or ESPN leagues have already been ruined by owners abandoning their teams or other shenanigans.

Even if you are out of the running for the 2009 championship you still have the challenge of building your team for next year and beyond.

WMR
08-06-2009, 03:52 PM
Wow, I'm dead last in ERA. Hahahaha... thanks Liriano and Nolasco.

*BaseClogger*
08-06-2009, 04:53 PM
I need to just stick to pitching and let somebody else handle my offense; all of my teams have this same makeup...

gilpdawg
08-06-2009, 10:29 PM
I've been consistent all year. Consistently mediocre, but for being the first time in a "real" baseball fantasy league, I'll take it. I've always just been a hardcore fantasy football guy, but never got into the baseball. I think I've got the bug now.

Just think how awesome my pitching would have been with a healthy Volquez and Webb? I actually was close to flipping Volquez a couple of times, but never pulled the trigger. I guess you live, you learn. Hopefully he comes back at some point for me next year.

AtomicDumpling
08-06-2009, 11:03 PM
I've been consistent all year. Consistently mediocre, but for being the first time in a "real" baseball fantasy league, I'll take it. I've always just been a hardcore fantasy football guy, but never got into the baseball. I think I've got the bug now.

Just think how awesome my pitching would have been with a healthy Volquez and Webb? I actually was close to flipping Volquez a couple of times, but never pulled the trigger. I guess you live, you learn. Hopefully he comes back at some point for me next year.

I started out with fantasy football too. After a few years I tried roto baseball and found out it was much, much more fun and challenging than football. I don't even play fantasy football anymore. Fantasy basketball is a fun thing to do in the baseball offseason.

AtomicDumpling
08-07-2009, 04:19 AM
Rule Change Survey 1: DL Slots

Well it is getting late in the season, so now is a good time to start officially discussing potential rule changes for next season.

People have been suggesting changes to me. Feel free to submit any ideas you may have for improving the league. I am sure there are ways we can make this league even better.

Let's plan on discussing each suggested change by itself and then move on to the next one.

Someone suggested we increase the number of DL slots since several teams have been hit very hard by injuries to the extent that it is hard to field a full lineup every day.

Question: How many DL slots is best: one, two, three, four, five, unlimited?

Please answer the question with a number. Explanations optional. Please post your answers here and/or in the league message board.

Background info: This league is an effort to simulate the job of General Manager of a baseball team. Anything we can do to accurately portray the actual circumstances as they confront a GM in major league baseball will help to improve the realism of our simulation. The job of a GM is to put the best team possible on the field every day while also planning for the future.

In real MLB baseball if a player is injured the team can place them on the DL and replace them with another player. There is no DL limit in MLB.

In our league there are currently 34 players on the DL list. That is an average of 3 injured players per team.

Teams with 6 players on the DL: 1
Teams with 5 players on the DL: 1
Teams with 4 players on the DL: 3
Teams with 3 players on the DL: 2
Teams with 2 players on the DL: 2
Teams with 1 players on the DL: 1
Teams with 0 players on the DL: 2

If you have 4, 5 or 6 players on the DL it really hurts your team's ability to compete. It would really help if you could at least bring in a replacement-level player to fill out your daily starting lineup.

My personal vote is for 4 DL slots next year.

AtomicDumpling
08-07-2009, 04:53 AM
Other issues that will need to be resolved after we are done with the DL issue:

1. Expanded roster size.
2. Trade protest procedure.
3. Pre-season draft rules.
4. Possible change in starting lineup slots.
5. What to do if we have owners abandoning their team or tanking the season to improve their draft slot.
6. Determining waiver priority at the beginning of seasons.

Hopefully we can come to quick consensus on these issues and have a great league again next year without any unfairness or arguing.

If you have any more ideas or suggestions please let me know.

TRF
08-07-2009, 01:05 PM
5. Offline draft of the abandoned team based on reverse order of standings.

AtomicDumpling
08-07-2009, 02:23 PM
5. Offline draft of the abandoned team based on reverse order of standings.

We will discuss that issue and the rest of them after we settle the DL issue.

But since you mentioned it...

I did not intend to create a method of dispersing the abandoned team's players. The goal of the abandoning/tanking issue is to motivate team owners to not abandon or tank the season. We need to make sure nobody abandons their team or tanks the season. Some sort of sanction for the offending owner may be needed. We should also have a contingency plan in place in case we need to replace an owner mid-season or at least manage the team so the league doesn't suffer or become unfair.

*BaseClogger*
08-07-2009, 02:36 PM
Just my opinion, but I feel that a manager abandoning their team and a manager tanking are completely different issues...

AtomicDumpling
08-07-2009, 02:43 PM
Just my opinion, but I feel that a manager abandoning their team and a manager tanking are completely different issues...

Agreed.

We might have to tackle those issues separately when we get to that point.

The reasons for abandoning or tanking are definitely different, but both infractions have very similar results -- the league becomes unbalanced and unfair.

We all agreed to commit to the league for the long haul when we signed up and we all have good reputations on Redszone to uphold, so I am confident we won't have these problems. But you never know. We should be prepared just in case.

cinredsfan2000
08-10-2009, 09:52 PM
Im in favor of at least adding one more more d.l. slot but would like at least having 3 D.L. slots but majority rules.

gilpdawg
08-11-2009, 12:11 AM
Im in favor of at least adding one more more d.l. slot but would like at least having 3 D.L. slots but majority rules.
Yeah, we need more, 2 or 3 would be acceptable to me but I don't care if people want 4 either.

WMR
08-11-2009, 12:19 AM
Agreed.

We might have to tackle those issues separately when we get to that point.

The reasons for abandoning or tanking are definitely different, but both infractions have very similar results -- the league becomes unbalanced and unfair.

We all agreed to commit to the league for the long haul when we signed up and we all have good reputations on Redszone to uphold, so I am confident we won't have these problems. But you never know. We should be prepared just in case.

I'm not going to be quitting the league now or anytime in the future, but I think it's unfair to call someone's reputation into question if unforeseen events in someone's life make it impossible for them to commit to a fantasy baseball league.

Quitting just because you're a quitter isn't cool, but I can see why someone might need to quit the league even if they honestly never intended to do so when they signed up for it.

WMR
08-11-2009, 12:21 AM
More DL slots = More interesting dynasty league

I think 4 would be a good number. I think encouraging player movement and constant roster evaluation and re-evaluation could only do good things for the league.

AtomicDumpling
08-11-2009, 12:44 AM
I'm not going to be quitting the league now or anytime in the future, but I think it's unfair to call someone's reputation into question if unforeseen events in someone's life make it impossible for them to commit to a fantasy baseball league.

Quitting just because you're a quitter isn't cool, but I can see why someone might need to quit the league even if they honestly never intended to do so when they signed up for it.

Agreed.

redsfandan
08-11-2009, 05:11 AM
I'm not going to be quitting the league now or anytime in the future, but I think it's unfair to call someone's reputation into question if unforeseen events in someone's life make it impossible for them to commit to a fantasy baseball league.

Quitting just because you're a quitter isn't cool, but I can see why someone might need to quit the league even if they honestly never intended to do so when they signed up for it.
Wow, WillyMo, something we actually agree on. :eek:

More DL slots = More interesting dynasty league

I think 4 would be a good number. I think encouraging player movement and constant roster evaluation and re-evaluation could only do good things for the league.
I think it would have the opposite effect. Normally you might be able to find some decent players available in the league that are on the DL. If we add 4 DL spots and add roster spots too chances are that all of those players will already be taken. So no roster evaluation needed. The more DL/roster spots the less movement we'll see. The only time it would help a team is IF the team is hit by ALOT of injuries at once and only to starters and/or elite prospects. I don't think that'll happen THAT often. But when it does happen trades can always help.

Like I've said before, it looks like we'll have at least 1 more DL spots and a couple more roster spots. So even a team hit by injuries would have it easier next year. I'd much rather we go with that than to go overboard. We can always tweak things again after the 2nd year if needed.

redsfandan
08-11-2009, 05:17 AM
Other issues that will need to be resolved after we are done with the DL issue:

1. Expanded roster size.
2. Trade protest procedure.
3. Pre-season draft rules.
4. Possible change in starting lineup slots.
5. What to do if we have owners abandoning their team or tanking the season to improve their draft slot.
6. Determining waiver priority at the beginning of seasons.

Hopefully we can come to quick consensus on these issues and have a great league again next year without any unfairness or arguing.

If you have any more ideas or suggestions please let me know.
The DL issue and roster size kinda go hand in hand imo. But it might not be a bad idea to move #5 up and tackle that after the DL/roster issue since it seems like alot of people have that on their mind.

camisadelgolf
08-19-2009, 09:08 AM
Is my team the team that's supposedly tanking? My team's pitching is pretty bad, but I've been getting more points out of my pitching than from my offense. Before the season started, would any of you guessed that this would be the worst offense in the league? And this is my offense after I traded Albert Pujols for pitching.

C Geovany Soto
1B Carlos Pena
2B Brian Roberts
3B Alex Gordon
SS Stephen Drew
IF James Loney
OF B.J. Upton
OF Vladimir Guerrero
OF Milton Bradley
UT Jim Thome
UT Rick Ankiel
BN Garrett Atkins
BN Edwin Encarnacion
BN Russell Martin
BN Yunel Escobar
BN Jack Cust
BN Ian Stewart
BN Delmon Young
BN Chase Headley
BN Jeff Clement

*BaseClogger*
08-19-2009, 04:32 PM
Nope! :thumbup:

Nice to have you back camisa... :)

redsfandan
08-19-2009, 04:39 PM
Well, I know your team was hit by injuries camisadelgolf but I think that's why I did a double-take when you picked up Milton Bradley (aka Mr Brittle). ;)

AtomicDumpling
08-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Is my team the team that's supposedly tanking? My team's pitching is pretty bad, but I've been getting more points out of my pitching than from my offense. Before the season started, would any of you guessed that this would be the worst offense in the league? And this is my offense after I traded Albert Pujols for pitching.

C Geovany Soto
1B Carlos Pena
2B Brian Roberts
3B Alex Gordon
SS Stephen Drew
IF James Loney
OF B.J. Upton
OF Vladimir Guerrero
OF Milton Bradley
UT Jim Thome
UT Rick Ankiel
BN Garrett Atkins
BN Edwin Encarnacion
BN Russell Martin
BN Yunel Escobar
BN Jack Cust
BN Ian Stewart
BN Delmon Young
BN Chase Headley
BN Jeff Clement

Nobody has been tanking so far, certainly not you. The tanking issue is merely on the table so that we have a policy in place should tanking ever occur in our league. I did not mean to insinuate that anyone has been tanking this year.

Your offense definitely looked good at the beginning of the season. Unfortunately injuries have taken their toll. Some of your players have not performed up to what everyone predicted either. Guys like Soto, Gordon, Atkins, Thome, Encarnacion and Martin have been good hitters in previous years but have not played well this year for whatever reason. Is there a good chance they will revert back to career norms next season?

AtomicDumpling
08-28-2009, 01:15 AM
Final Results of DL Slot Survey

Well the results are in. Everybody in the league voted. Hopefully this will allow us to come to a friendly consensus.

The votes ranged from 2 DL slots all the way up to unlimited DL slots.

2 - nate
2 - TRF's debacle
2 - The Basecloggers
2 - redsfandan
2 - mbgrayson
3 - CRF2000 ("at least 3 DL spots")
3 - Gilpdawg ("2-4 spots")
3 - stephenk29
4 - Atomic Dumpling
4 - WMR Ghetty Green
4 - reds77
Unlimited - camisadelgolf

Average = 3.0

I grouped the votes into three groups:

2 Slots ---- 5 votes
3 Slots ---- 3 votes
4+ Slots -- 4 votes

The results show that everyone agrees we need more than one DL slot, which is what we have now. Some people feel just one additional slot is needed, some feel that is not nearly enough.

I am democratically ruling in favor of 3 slots because that is right in the middle of all the votes. Almost everybody voted within plus or minus one slot of the final decision, so hopefully we can all agree to meet in the middle at 3 DL Slots.

We will try that configuration next season. We might possibly revisit the issue again late next season after we see the results of the rule change.

Incidentally there are 35 players on our rosters that are on the MLB DL, which comes out to 3 per team on average. One team has 0, two teams have 2, six teams have 3, two teams have 4, and one team has 5. If we had the 3 DL slot rule in effect right now we would have 31 players on the league DL. The other four would not be eligible because of the team limit of 3 players on the DL.

Now we can move on to the next issue, which will be roster size. It has been suggested that we increase the roster size to allow for holding some more prospects. I will create another post with more information. The DL slot increase may affect your opinion on the roster size.

*BaseClogger*
08-28-2009, 01:37 AM
One team has 0, two teams have 2, six teams have 3, two teams have 4, and one team has 5.

That's me!

AtomicDumpling
08-28-2009, 02:42 AM
That's me!

Sucks for you. Your team has been doing well lately though.

nate
08-28-2009, 09:37 AM
Can you even do 3 DL slots? Don't they have to be split between offense and pitching or are they flexible?

AtomicDumpling
08-28-2009, 03:16 PM
Can you even do 3 DL slots? Don't they have to be split between offense and pitching or are they flexible?

The DL slots are flexible.

The position of the player has no effect on his eligibility for the DL. If he is on the real MLB Disabled List he can be placed on our fantasy DL.

Once he is is activated from the real MLB Disabled List he must be activated from your fantasy team DL before Yahoo will allow you to make any other roster moves.

It should work out fine. We will go with 3 slots for the 2010 season. If it doesn't work out we can revisit the issue again late next year.

*BaseClogger*
08-28-2009, 03:21 PM
Sucks for you. Your team has been doing well lately though.

Yeah, I'm pretty enthusiastic about the future considering I'm in 7th with a bunch of elementary kids...

AtomicDumpling
09-21-2009, 02:40 AM
Rules changes for Redszone Dynasty League Season 2 - 2010

Innings limit raised from 1325 to 1350.
Judging by the innings usage in the league this season it makes sense to bump the limit up a little bit. We are already well above the standard Yahoo limit of 1250, but we can bump it up a little bit more. This is a very minor change that will not have much effect.

Roster Size Increase
This will be put up to a vote in a separate post. Current roster size is 29.

Season 2 Draft
The draft will be a snake draft consisting of five rounds. Draft order will be the reverse of prior year's standings. You may not exceed the roster size limit. If you are at the limit when it is your turn to draft you must drop a player before you can draft a player. The dropped player will become draftable immediately -- the next team owner in the draft may select the dropped player without waiting for him to clear waivers. Players added to the Yahoo player pool after the draft begins are not eligible to be drafted and will be placed on waivers after the draft is over. When all five rounds are completed, the commissioner will set a date and time when all undrafted players will be eligible to be added on a first come, first served basis.

Season 2 Waiver Priority
Waiver priority will be set as the reverse of the prior year's standings.

Trade Protests
Trades can be protested only if cheating or collusion is suspected. Trades may not be protested due to being unbalanced, lopsided or stupid. If a trade is protested both owners may state their reasons for making the trade before a decision is made. If after the explanations anyone in the league still suspects cheating or collusion then an annonymous vote will be held and 6 or more votes against the trade will nullify it. Owners involved in the trade do not vote, even if they have changed their mind about the trade.

Procedure to prevent tanking, negligence and abandonment
In order to keep the league fair, competitive and fun we need to ensure all owners pay attention all season long and try to field the best team they can every day. On occasions where an owner's attention wanes it is the commissioner's duty to urge that owner to do a better job. Of course there are justifiable reasons why an owner may neglect his team for a couple days (vacation, sickness etc) so there will be reminders and warnings before resorting to sanctions. If an owner leaves injured players or minor leaguers in his starting lineup or leaves star players on his bench for more than a few days the following process will be initiated:

1st occurence -- A polite reminder will be sent
2nd occurence -- A polite reminder will be sent
3rd occurence -- A warning will be sent
4th occurence -- Offending owner's waiver priority will be set to 12
5th occurence -- Offending owner will lose his 1st round draft pick the following year
6th occurence -- Offending owner will not be invited back the following year

In the event an owner quits mid-season the commissioner must:
1. Appoint a replacement owner if technically possible, or if not
2. He must replace injured/demoted players in the starting lineup with the highest ranked player available on the team at that position. If no player on the team can fill the position the highest ranked free agent must be added and the worst player dropped. Any disputes must be voted on leaguewide. No trades can be made.

Disabled List Slots
There will be three DL slots as determined by a league vote last month.

Commissioner
If anyone is unhappy with a ruling or decision made by the Commish we can have a discussion followed by a vote. Just post your comments on the message board to initiate the process.

If there are any other issues that need to be clarified or changed for next season please bring them to my attention ASAP.

Thanks!

-- The Commissioner

AtomicDumpling
09-21-2009, 02:44 AM
IMPORTANT NOTE --

Please keep your lineups updated!

For the integrity of the league we need to make sure everyone attempts to field the best team they can every day.

Make sure you do not have have injured players or minor leaguers in your starting lineup.

While your team may not have a chance to win the championship it is still important to compete as well as you can. Your team's performance affects the ranks of other teams and hence has a major impact on the league standings.

Everyone has done an awesome job of this for the most part, but we have had a couple of minor issues lately.

Since this is a long term, competitive dynasty league it is important to maintain our superior standards and keep the league healthy and fun for years to come.

Thanks!

-- The Commissioner (Atomic Dumpling)

Brutus
09-21-2009, 03:03 AM
Atomic,

Here's a suggestion that you guys might (or might not) find useful regarding 'tanking.'

A league I'm in has keepers, and we have been using this for a few years and it's helped tremendously. We make the draft order reverse order of finish, but the "first" pick starts with the team that finishes somewhere around the place nearest the 33rd percentile.

For instance, if we have 9 teams in a season (we do NL-only in this league), then 6th place would get the first pick the next year (we do Auction league, so this is for the reserve draft). So 6th place would get first pick, 7th place would get second, 8th place third, 9th place fourth, then 5th place would get fifth pick.. and back down the line until 1st place gets the last pick.

What this does is give incentives for teams to stay competitive even if it means not being able to win a championship. So far, since we went back to this procedure, it's really helped a ton.

Just food for thought. Hoped maybe it might be something to look at.

AtomicDumpling
09-21-2009, 03:03 AM
Roster Size

It is time to discuss the issue of roster size for next year. Please post your thoughts here, and/or on the league message board. Do not cast your vote yet. I think it will work better to discuss the issue first, then vote later.

I will frame the issue and then open it up for discussion:

Currently our roster size is 29. It has been suggested that we increase the roster size beginning in Season 2. Due to injuries, demotions and having minor league prospects some teams in our league have had difficulty maintaining enough active players to complete their starting lineup every day. This has led to some problems.

Ultimately we would like to simulate being a real General Manager as closely as possible. This means each team needs to have a complete starting lineup, a versatile bench of reserve players and a promising group of minor league prospects.

What roster size is ideal?

AtomicDumpling
09-21-2009, 03:11 AM
Atomic,

Here's a suggestion that you guys might (or might not) find useful regarding 'tanking.'

A league I'm in has keepers, and we have been using this for a few years and it's helped tremendously. We make the draft order reverse order of finish, but the "first" pick starts with the team that finishes somewhere around the place nearest the 33rd percentile.

For instance, if we have 9 teams in a season (we do NL-only in this league), then 6th place would get the first pick the next year (we do Auction league, so this is for the reserve draft). So 6th place would get first pick, 7th place would get second, 8th place third, 9th place fourth, then 5th place would get fifth pick.. and back down the line until 1st place gets the last pick.

What this does is give incentives for teams to stay competitive even if it means not being able to win a championship. So far, since we went back to this procedure, it's really helped a ton.

Just food for thought. Hoped maybe it might be something to look at.

OK. Good advice.

Our league is a dynasty league where each team carries its entire 29-man roster over to the next season. So the only players that will be available in next year's draft are the ones that are not good enough to be on any roster at the end of this season or else are not in this year's Yahoo player pool at all -- such as 2009 MLB draftees (most of whom will not be in the Yahoo player pool next year either, at least not at the beginning.)

There will probably not be any highly desirable players available in our short draft, so there really isn't too much incentive to tank in our league when you really think about it. But you never know. ;)

We have not had a problem with tanking, but it is wise to have a procedure in place before it happens to ensure there is no arguing if/when it does happen.

redsfandan
09-21-2009, 06:25 AM
Innings limit raised from 1325 to 1350.
Judging by the innings usage in the league this season it makes sense to bump the limit up a little bit. We are already well above the standard Yahoo limit of 1250, but we can bump it up a little bit more. This is a very minor change that will not have much effect. ...
I don't understand the reason behind increasing the innings limit. You yourself said that it wouldn't have much of an effect. So why bother with an increase?


Procedure to prevent tanking, negligence and abandonment
In order to keep the league fair, competitive and fun we need to ensure all owners pay attention all season long and try to field the best team they can every day. On occasions where an owner's attention wanes it is the commissioner's duty to urge that owner to do a better job. Of course there are justifiable reasons why an owner may neglect his team for a couple days (vacation, sickness etc) so there will be reminders and warnings before resorting to sanctions. If an owner leaves injured players or minor leaguers in his starting lineup or leaves star players on his bench for more than a few days the following process will be initiated:

1st occurence -- A polite reminder will be sent
2nd occurence -- A polite reminder will be sent
3rd occurence -- A warning will be sent
4th occurence -- Offending owner's waiver priority will be set to 12
5th occurence -- Offending owner will lose his 1st round draft pick the following year
6th occurence -- Offending owner will not be invited back the following year

I'm fine with the polite reminder but I would add that the commish manually replace a player that's in a starting spot but is also on the MLB DL with another player on the team roster if possible.

redsfandan
09-21-2009, 07:08 AM
Roster Size Increase
This will be put up to a vote in a separate post. Current roster size is 29.

Season 2 Draft
The draft will be a snake draft consisting of five rounds. Draft order will be the reverse of prior year's standings. You may not exceed the roster size limit. If you are at the limit when it is your turn to draft you must drop a player before you can draft a player. The dropped player will become draftable immediately -- the next team owner in the draft may select the dropped player without waiting for him to clear waivers. Players added to the Yahoo player pool after the draft begins are not eligible to be drafted and will be placed on waivers after the draft is over. When all five rounds are completed, the commissioner will set a date and time when all undrafted players will be eligible to be added on a first come, first served basis.

OK, now I have two issues.

First, you said that the draft will be a snake draft. That would mean that the first two picks for the team that finished in last place would be the 1st and 24th picks while the first two picks for the team that finished in first place would be the 12th and 13th picks. The best players will likely be taken in the first couple rounds so a snake draft could actually help the teams that need help the least more than the teams that need help the most. A snake draft is perfect for the first year but it just doesn't make as much sense to me for the following years. There's a reason that the MLB, NFL, etc let the losing teams pick first in each round. If you want to "simulate being a real General Manager as closely as possible" then I'd scrap the snake draft.

Second, a month ago you said that one of the issues would be:

"4. Possible change in starting lineup slots".

But now I don't see that listed as a possible rule change. So, are we going to keep the current starting lineup slots or will there be any change? If there is going to be a change, and especially if any starting spots are added, that could affect opinions about how big the rosters should be. Also, I think we should wait on committing to a specific number of rounds until we know how big the rosters will be.

As far as the idea proposed by Brutus I've seen that before and I would really like to have something like that although since this season is almost done I think that it would make more sense to make that kind of switch for the draft in year 3. Make the year 2 draft "normal" but with the understanding that the switch would be effective after the year 2 draft. With only 2 weeks left in the season there's not going to be that much that can happen to change the draft order. I agree that making the switch effective starting with the 2010 regular season could help keep teams more active and make things more competitive.

AtomicDumpling
09-21-2009, 03:08 PM
The change in IP is miniscule really. It just reflects the standard level of usage in our league where all the competitive teams reached the limit early.

I want to avoid having the commissioner tinkering with another owner's lineup unless it is a last resort. Unless a player has totally abandoned his team it would cause all kinds of arguments and disputes if the commissioner was making decisions for another team. I want to keep the league friendly.

I have not seen any support around the league for altering the starting lineup arrangement. People have built their teams around this structure and it wouldn't be fair to change it unless there is wide support based on strong logic. I am willing to listen, but as of now we are not going to change the starting lineup slots.

The snake draft is nearly universal in fantasy leagues. I don't expect the short draft to have much influence on the balance of power in our league. The only players available will be the ones that are not good enough to be on a team now plus a small number of minor leaguers. Remember that most minor leaguers are either already available now or are added during the season by Yahoo using the waiver system. Most prospects are added to the Yahoo player pool when they get called up for a September cup of coffee in the big leagues. I am guessing (based on prior seasons using Yahoo) that only a half dozen top prospects at most will be added before our draft next year. Guys like Stephen Strasburg and Aroldis Chapman might be available -- and those guys will be long gone before this year's winners get to draft at the end of the first round, much less the second round. You're not going to see impact players available in our draft.

nate
09-21-2009, 04:42 PM
Can we trade draft picks?

AtomicDumpling
09-21-2009, 05:12 PM
Can we trade draft picks?

Do you want to? We don't have a rule against it.

nate
09-21-2009, 06:02 PM
I dunno, maybe put it to a vote.

If we're doing a reverse (or modified reverse) order of finish in the standings, should it really be a serpentine (snake) pick? Just thinking out loud but they don't "snake" picks in MLB.

AtomicDumpling
09-21-2009, 07:40 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on the roster size? Now is your chance to share your thoughts before we start the vote.

On the league message board Gilpdawg suggested that "mid 30's" would be good.

nate
09-21-2009, 08:25 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on the roster size? Now is your chance to share your thoughts before we start the vote.

On the league message board Gilpdawg suggested that "mid 30's" would be good.

How about 40 with 25 active?

mbgrayson
09-21-2009, 08:55 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on the roster size? Now is your chance to share your thoughts before we start the vote.

On the league message board Gilpdawg suggested that "mid 30's" would be good.

I favor leaving the roster size alone. Currently it is 29 players, with one DL slot. It has already been determined to increase to three DL slots next year, and this is enough change for one year. Next year, every manager can keep a total 32 players under control, as long as at least three are on the DL.

Expanding to the mid-30s would significantly increase the importance of making daily managing matchups, since there will be more choices on the bench. As it is, having 29 active players available every day is enough....

mbgrayson
09-21-2009, 08:58 PM
How about 40 with 25 active?

Yahoo! currently has no way that I know of to designate active vs. inactive players. The only inactive designation is the DL. All players not playing on your active roster are just shown as bench players, and 40 is too many in my opinion....See comment immediately above...

mbgrayson
09-21-2009, 09:15 PM
The change in IP is miniscule really. It just reflects the standard level of usage in our league where all the competitive teams reached the limit early.

I want to avoid having the commissioner tinkering with another owner's lineup unless it is a last resort. Unless a player has totally abandoned his team it would cause all kinds of arguments and disputes if the commissioner was making decisions for another team. I want to keep the league friendly.

I have not seen any support around the league for altering the starting lineup arrangement. People have built their teams around this structure and it wouldn't be fair to change it unless there is wide support based on strong logic. I am willing to listen, but as of now we are not going to change the starting lineup slots.

The snake draft is nearly universal in fantasy leagues. I don't expect the short draft to have much influence on the balance of power in our league. The only players available will be the ones that are not good enough to be on a team now plus a small number of minor leaguers. Remember that most minor leaguers are either already available now or are added during the season by Yahoo using the waiver system. Most prospects are added to the Yahoo player pool when they get called up for a September cup of coffee in the big leagues. I am guessing (based on prior seasons using Yahoo) that only a half dozen top prospects at most will be added before our draft next year. Guys like Stephen Strasburg and Aroldis Chapman might be available -- and those guys will be long gone before this year's winners get to draft at the end of the first round, much less the second round. You're not going to see impact players available in our draft.

Why not 1458 innings? That is 162 games times 9 innings per game?

I agree with you about not tinkering with a manager's roster even if neglected. Let's say the commish was in a critical battle to win a certain category, lets say HRs. What if he took out a DL guy and put in a bench player in that was more of a speed or BA guy, and was not a HR hitter, and the result ended up that the commish gained points in the HR category...It is a slippery slope to start down.

I think the snake vs straight draft is more important if we are really going to expand roster sizes. In that case (which I oppose), I think a straight draft is a fairer way to get equity into the league. If rosters are staying the same, I really don't care.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 12:29 AM
I agree with you about not tinkering with a manager's roster even if neglected. Let's say the commish was in a critical battle to win a certain category, lets say HRs. What if he took out a DL guy and put in a bench player in that was more of a speed or BA guy, and was not a HR hitter, and the result ended up that the commish gained points in the HR category...It is a slippery slope to start down.


Yeah that is a scenario we need to avoid.

If a situation ever happens where the commish is forced to tinker with an abandoned team there needs to be a strict procedure. This would ensure there is no decision-making to be done by the commish. I tried to spell that out by saying only injured and demoted players are to be replaced and only replaced by the highest ranked replacement -- without taking into account any particular stat categories.

I think it highly unlikely the commish will ever have to tinker with a team. Keep in mind the first option I mentioned was to appoint a replacement owner to run the team or at least a neutral observer to make the necessary decisions.

The "tinkering" issue is highly unlikely to occur in our league. We have a good group of dedicated owners that are not going to tank their team or abandon their team. The tinkering would only begin after a long series of reminders, warnings and sanctions, and even then only if we can't find a replacement owner. So it will probably never happen, but I wanted a rule in place just in case.

I do not want to be put in a position where I have to make controversial decisions. That is why I want rules in place to cover all potential situations before they happen. That way I can't be accused of biased decisions. It would be great if we didn't need a commissioner at all but since we are using settings that differ from the standard Yahoo default settings we are forced to have a commissioner. I try my best to be absolutely fair and impartial.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 12:51 AM
Why not 1458 innings? That is 162 games times 9 innings per game?


Thanks for the well-reasoned idea but really the innings limit is not something we are debating at this time. We don't need to upset the apple cart too much by making major changes yet after one season.

I will give some background on why the limit of 1325-1350 innings was chosen.

The settings used in our dynasty league were based on the settings used last year in the NL-only and AL-only dynasty leagues. As it turned out, those settings worked very poorly in the "only" leagues but they have worked very well in our mixed league. There simply are not enough available players and roster slots in the "only" leagues to make those settings work because none of the teams even come close to reaching the limits, with the result being the only thing that matters is how many injuries your team had that year. Fewer injuries = more games played = more stats. But in our mixed league there are sufficient players and the settings have worked much better.

The standard Yahoo limit of 1250 innings is based on starting slots of 2 SPs, 2 RPs and 3 Ps. Since we are using 2 SPs, 2 RPs and 4 Ps it was decided to add an extra 75 innings (about what a good relief pitcher throws per year). In our mixed league there are lots of available pitchers so it is very easy to reach the innings limit too early. I thought it made sense to add a very small number of extra innings to bump the settings a little bit closer to the reality of what we saw in the league this year.

The goal is to create settings that encourage the owner to utilize a realistic balance of starting pitchers and relievers. If you set the limit too low you encourage overuse of relievers while devaluing starters. If the limit is too high you encourage the owner to load up exclusively on starting pitchers. We saw that 1325 was a little bit too low this year. So that is the reason I chose 1350 for next year.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 01:04 AM
I think the snake vs straight draft is more important if we are really going to expand roster sizes. In that case (which I oppose), I think a straight draft is a fairer way to get equity into the league. If rosters are staying the same, I really don't care.

We may expand the roster size by 0-3 slots. We aren't going to go up to 40. Maybe we can go there over a period of years if you guys want to. We could add one player per year until we get to 40 maybe. But we can't realistically go from 29 to 40 in one huge leap without making drastic changes to the league. I don't think we should make any drastic changes.

The draft is really going to be a minor affair. It won't make a huge impact on your team. If we expand roster size by one slot then I bet most teams won't draft more than one new player. Most of our teams already have 30 players under control (29 active slots + one player on the DL). So if we expand to a roster of 30 active players you will have to drop one of your current players in order to make a draft pick. Is there going to be somebody available in the draft in March that you couldn't add to your team for free right now? Not many at all. Only a few minor leaguers and maybe a Japanese import. The guys available in the draft are mostly the same guys available on the free agent list right now. So even though the draft is five rounds long, most teams will only make zero, one or two selections anyway. The only really good prospects will probably be snapped up within the first 4-6 picks of the first round. There won't be much left after that.

I can think of only about three or four guys that might be available in the draft that I would consider dropping one of my current players to obtain.

redsfandan
09-22-2009, 06:23 AM
Can we trade draft picks?


Do you want to? We don't have a rule against it.


I dunno, maybe put it to a vote..

Back in March it was proposed that teams can trade picks only if none of the picks are the pick currently on the clock. If we're going to allow pick trading again I think we should keep that policy.


Anyone have any thoughts on the roster size? Now is your chance to share your thoughts before we start the vote.

On the league message board Gilpdawg suggested that "mid 30's" would be good.
I vote for 3-5 more spots. That should be plenty.

nate
09-22-2009, 09:04 AM
Yahoo! currently has no way that I know of to designate active vs. inactive players. The only inactive designation is the DL. All players not playing on your active roster are just shown as bench players, and 40 is too many in my opinion....See comment immediately above...

I'm not necessarily for it, but if we're trying to be realistic, that's the most realistic.

Also, we might find we prefer rule changes that cause us to look into alternatives to Yahoo.

TRF
09-22-2009, 10:26 AM
the 4 P spots that aren't designated closers or SP's are usually taken by closers or SP's. In my case i burned through my innings way too soon. to combat this, adding holds as a stat might actually benefit everyone in keeping their innings down.

Just a thought.

*BaseClogger*
09-22-2009, 10:30 AM
I'm just going to say it--I hate Holds with a passion. Fantasy baseball has always used silly stats like Ws and RBIs, but Holds just takes the stupidity to a whole new level. Who actually follows/cares about Holds?

nate
09-22-2009, 10:52 AM
I was going to bring it up later but I agree with 'clogger. I think Wins, RBI and Saves are lame stats and depend more on the team than the player.

If we're making teams of players, let's use stats that aren't team dependent. Or, at least, use stats that are less team dependent. For example, replace RBI with SLG or OB% (yes, I know Yahoo probably doesn't supposrt that). Heck, how about OBP or wOBA instead of AVG?

For pitching, how about something like K-rate and/or K/BB instead of saves, wins and/or Ks? We might be looking at a MINIMUM inning requirement in that case.

I know this is all beyond the scope of Yahoo but as I said earlier, perhaps this league will move beyond that. I'm surprised there isn't an open source, Web2.0 fantasy framework out there.

Or maybe there is.

*BaseClogger*
09-22-2009, 04:21 PM
:lol:

Nate, I love your thinking but it's fantasy baseball for a reason. I like using the silly stat categories. It adds charm to the game. But just don't include Holds, please!

nate
09-22-2009, 05:04 PM
:lol:

Nate, I love your thinking but it's fantasy baseball for a reason. I like using the silly stat categories. It adds charm to the game. But just don't include Holds, please!

I think RBI, pitching wins and saves are as silly as holds!

redsfandan
09-22-2009, 05:38 PM
I was curious about what stat categories were possible of the ones that nate listed. Unfortunately, when I checked I came across this:


What are the customizable features of my Custom League?

Commissioners can customize their Custom Leagues in many ways even after completing the registration process.

The Edit League Settings option found among the Commissioner Tools, allows for alteration of virtually all settings right up to draft day, and many all season long.

Rotisserie and Fantasy Points Settings:

Type of Scoring
Rotisserie;
Fantasy Points

Teams in League 1-20
Players per Team 8-30

Player Universe
All baseball;
AL only;
NL only

Maximum Player Acquisitions per Season
None Allowed;
No Maximum;
1-100

Maximum Trades
None Allowed;
No Maximum;
1-40
....
We may not be able to increase the roster sizes beyond 30 unless we use something besides Yahoo.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 08:30 PM
We may not be able to increase the roster sizes beyond 30 unless we use something besides Yahoo.

Well, I did not know that.

I checked the rules and confirmed your observation. Unless Yahoo changes their maximum roster limit of 30 next year we will not be able to exceed 30. So that pretty much ends the roster size discussion.

Let's just go ahead and expand the roster size by one to 30 and leave it at that.

redsfandan
09-22-2009, 08:43 PM
Well, I did not know that.

I checked the rules and confirmed your observation. Unless Yahoo changes their maximum roster limit of 30 next year we will not be able to exceed 30. So that pretty much ends the roster size discussion.

Let's just go ahead and expand the roster size by one to 30 and leave it at that.
Or we could discuss the idea that nate threw out:

Also, we might find we prefer rule changes that cause us to look into alternatives to Yahoo.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 08:44 PM
Back in March it was proposed that teams can trade picks only if none of the picks are the pick currently on the clock. If we're going to allow pick trading again I think we should keep that policy.

Agreed. That is now an official rule.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 08:50 PM
I am not necessarily opposed to using a service other than Yahoo. My experience in prior seasons is that Yahoo is superior to the others, so I would have to be convinced that another service is as reliable and easy to use as Yahoo before I would consider switching.

CBS Sportsline has some good options for minor league rosters, but it is not free. I don't think it is as easy to use either. I wouldn't mind paying some money for a superior service, but it would have to be a unanimous decision.

I have not been impressed with the ESPN fantasy system, but I haven't tried it in the last couple years.

Brutus
09-22-2009, 08:58 PM
I am not necessarily opposed to using a service other than Yahoo. My experience in prior seasons is that Yahoo is superior to the others, so I would have to be convinced that another service is as reliable and easy to use as Yahoo before I would consider switching.

CBS Sportsline has some good options for minor league rosters, but it is not free. I don't think it is as easy to use either. I wouldn't mind paying some money for a superior service, but it would have to be a unanimous decision.

I have not been impressed with the ESPN fantasy system, but I haven't tried it in the last couple years.

CBS Sportsline trumps all in my experience. It's got by far the most options. As you mentioned, though, it's not free. It's $160 per season.

redsfandan
09-22-2009, 09:04 PM
Less than $15 per team doesn't seem excessive to me but I don't know how everyone else feels about going from free to forking over a few bucks. I've heard that Sportsline also lists alot more prospects than Yahoo.

*BaseClogger*
09-22-2009, 09:04 PM
From my point of view it's simple--Yahoo is the easiest to use but CBS has the best features. But since Yahoo is free I don't really think it's very close...

Brutus
09-22-2009, 10:00 PM
Less than $15 per team doesn't seem excessive to me but I don't know how everyone else feels about going from free to forking over a few bucks. I've heard that Sportsline also lists alot more prospects than Yahoo.

The league I'm a commissioner of, that's been going for 16 years (this is my 13th year) has been on CBS for the past 8 seasons. It's really, really made a ton of improvements and become a pretty good site. There are a few things I personally would like them to improve even more, but it's highly got the most customized features as of now.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 10:25 PM
The league I'm a commissioner of, that's been going for 16 years (this is my 13th year) has been on CBS for the past 8 seasons. It's really, really made a ton of improvements and become a pretty good site. There are a few things I personally would like them to improve even more, but it's highly got the most customized features as of now.

Is there a limit to the roster size?

Could you explain the minor league options?

The website doesn't allow me to explore all the options in the CBS Sportsline Commissioner product.

It looks like the price is now $180 per year, which is still only $15 per team but Yahoo is free.

I looked up the various versions available on CBS Sportsline. The free version is not very good and does not have the options we need. Yahoo's free version is far superior to the CBS free product.

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 10:36 PM
How many of you guys use the $10 Stat-Tracker live scoring system for our Yahoo league?

I use it. If everybody in our league is using it we are already paying $120 for the league.

redsfandan
09-22-2009, 10:39 PM
I don't use the stat tracker but I could handle $15. Once we get a handle on the specs of the paid Sportsline product we'd need to have everyone on board.

nate
09-22-2009, 10:48 PM
I wouldn't mind paying some money for a superior service, but it would have to be a unanimous decision.

Cool!

All in favor of AD paying money for a superior service the rest of us can enjoy gratis, say aye!

"Aye!"

:cool:

AtomicDumpling
09-22-2009, 10:50 PM
Cool!

All in favor of AD paying money for a superior service the rest of us can enjoy gratis, say aye!

"Aye!"

:cool:

:D

Hey! That is not what I meant!

:beerme:

redsfandan
09-22-2009, 10:51 PM
Cool!

All in favor of AD paying money for a superior service the rest of us can enjoy gratis, say aye!

"Aye!"

:cool:

Aye! :)

Seriously, I wouldn't be against a pot next year either.

Brutus
09-22-2009, 11:37 PM
Is there a limit to the roster size?

Could you explain the minor league options?

The website doesn't allow me to explore all the options in the CBS Sportsline Commissioner product.

It looks like the price is now $180 per year, which is still only $15 per team but Yahoo is free.

I looked up the various versions available on CBS Sportsline. The free version is not very good and does not have the options we need. Yahoo's free version is far superior to the CBS free product.

Sure.

First, the site supports Active, Reserve and Minors status. In other words, you can make it just like MLB, 40-Man and Minor Leaguers, if you wanted to. So you can designate a player in one of the three aforementioned statuses.


Second, there are no limits that I am aware of on roster size. You can type in the exact number for each type. You can specify both minimum and maximum for all of the following:

*Active players
*Reserve players (40-man or however many-man you want)
*Injured players
*Minor league players
*Total players

There might be a maximum, but I tested out 100 players once for the fun of it, and it didn't give me any errors. So clearly, if there is a limit, it's not one that will give you problems.

You can also adjust min/max for positional distribution as well as set a limit (if you so choose) for maximum number of players at a certain position on the entire roster. There are options to choose for DL & Minor league players to not count toward positional distribution, if you want.

Some other benefits:

* The scoring options are, while not limitless, by far the best out there. You can use any one of a number of options they give you for counting and (some) rate stats. But the awesome thing is that you can make your own custom stats. For instance, it supports making a calculation to use Runs Created, or wOBA, etc. for categories. The only thing you can't do is mix a type - for instance, you can't mix a defensive stat with an offensive stat, or a pitching stat with an offensive stat, etc.

* They have three custom fields to use for salary/contract status or whatever other option you want to use it for

* The player pool is definitely deeper

* You can track league finances by assigning dollar amounts per different types of transactions or make custom finance edits to whatever you deem necessary

* You can preset the IP/AB requirements to any number you want and it tracks that for you automatically

* There are 5 different options for add/drop procedures

* There are 4 different options for trade procedures (i.e. league vote, commissioner approval, automatic and restrict trades)


Those are the options I can think of. Overall, I really like it though. It's been a great site for us. If you run into things that aren't ideal for your league, you can email their tech people and they've been decent about incorporating new functionality each year.

AtomicDumpling
09-23-2009, 12:00 AM
Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it.

Sounds like a great option if we decide to make the league more complicated.

Really the only thing that Yahoo has not allowed us to do is increase the roster size past 30, which may not want to do anyway. The Yahoo site works great and it is free. I imagine we will keep our league the way it is because it was a lot of fun this year. But some of us might be interested in another league that incorporates some of the minor league features available on CBS.

Brutus
09-23-2009, 12:07 AM
Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it.

Sounds like a great option if we decide to make the league more complicated.

Really the only thing that Yahoo has not allowed us to do is increase the roster size past 30, which may not want to do anyway. The Yahoo site works great and it is free. I imagine we will keep our league the way it is because it was a lot of fun this year. But some of us might be interested in another league that incorporates some of the minor league features available on CBS.

I'm still working on this Dynasty League. It may work out that (for this year) it starts out on CBS Sportsline, as it can handle most of what I need it to. But I'm still working on some other things I discussed with you on that front.

gilpdawg
12-09-2009, 12:24 AM
This Granderson deal I like for my dynasty team purposes. He'll put up better numbers at New Yankee Stadium than he did in Detroit.

redsfandan
12-09-2009, 06:59 AM
Yeah, between moving to the new Yankee stadium and a new spot in the lineup his hr/rbi #'s should get a boost. (Granderson hit leadoff for Detroit but I bet Jeter stays in that spot for New York)

AtomicDumpling
12-09-2009, 05:58 PM
This Granderson deal I like for my dynasty team purposes. He'll put up better numbers at New Yankee Stadium than he did in Detroit.

With the short fence in right field he will hit more home runs. He will also have Jeter hitting in front of him and Texeira and A-Rod behind him. He should put up career best numbers in Runs and RBIs.

What do you want for him? :cool:

Redsfan320
12-16-2009, 03:09 PM
Would it be possible to join the dynasty league mid- um.. dynasty? Also, this would be my first time ever fantasy-ing, so is a d-league a good place for newbies. I've been into MLB for 1.5 yrs. now.

320

redsfandan
12-16-2009, 03:47 PM
I don't think there are any openings right now. Someone would have to leave or we'd have to add a couple teams (doubtful right now) or someone would have to want a partner.

I'm not sure if a dynasty is best for a newbie. I did redrafts (one year leagues) for years before I did a keeper league. That helped alot but then I overanalyzed things since it was a different format. You could try it though. Or you could try a one year league to just get a taste of what it's like and to make sure you want to commit to something more.

But Atomic Dumpling can confirm whether everyone is returning.

AtomicDumpling
12-16-2009, 07:16 PM
Would it be possible to join the dynasty league mid- um.. dynasty? Also, this would be my first time ever fantasy-ing, so is a d-league a good place for newbies. I've been into MLB for 1.5 yrs. now.

320

Hello Redsfan320,

Thanks for your interest in our fantasy league. If we have any teams become available I will put your name in for consideration.

Right now there are no openings, but that could change before the season starts. Nobody has told me they are planning to drop out.

If we do get some openings we will put the word out for applicants and select the most qualified. It won't be first come, first served. We want to make sure our league stays competitive and challenging. We are looking for friendly, dedicated, experienced team owners that are looking for a long-term competitive challenge.

As redsfandan suggested earlier, you might want to play in a couple of single-season fantasy leagues before taking the plunge into a dynasty league. There are a few Redszone-based leagues each year. Maybe one of those will be a better choice for you because they are yearly re-draft leagues.

Beware, once you start playing fantasy baseball your life as you knew it before will be over. You will have reached the next level of enlightenment.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 09:03 AM
Thanks for the advice, both of you. Does anyone have any good one year, and above all free, leagues for a newbie. I've heard of MLB.com's, ESPN.com's, and CBSsports.com's.

320

redsfandan
12-17-2009, 09:42 AM
Got a yahoo account? Their one-year leagues are the most popular.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 09:54 AM
Nope, Dan, I don't.
Thanks, though.

320

AtomicDumpling
12-17-2009, 05:49 PM
I would highly recommend Yahoo fantasy baseball. Their free leagues are the best by far.

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 08:14 PM
Thanx guys. I'll look into Yahoo.

320

Redsfan320
12-17-2009, 09:27 PM
Looked into Yahoo a bit. Seems pretty good, my only problem is that there seem to be no NL- only leagues, but this really isn't a big deal. Just got to study up on my AL players.
(Or just for my AL picks draft Lackey, and anyone I can from the Yanks or M's :cool:)

320

redsfandan
12-18-2009, 10:26 AM
Looked into Yahoo a bit. Seems pretty good, my only problem is that there seem to be no NL- only leagues, but this really isn't a big deal. Just got to study up on my AL players.
(Or just for my AL picks draft Lackey, and anyone I can from the Yanks or M's :cool:)

320
That wasn't an option in the public leagues but that could change. They tweak things every year so there's always a chance of that becoming a possibility. If it isn't an option in 2010 for the public leagues you could take a chance on one of the yahoo private leagues or start one yourself. The private leagues are still free and can be customized with stuff like your choice of stat categories, starting spots, etc., .. and making it NL Only.

Redsfan320
12-18-2009, 12:37 PM
If it isn't an option in 2010 for the public leagues you could take a chance on one of the yahoo private leagues or start one yourself. The private leagues are still free and can be customized with stuff like your choice of stat categories, starting spots, etc., .. and making it NL Only.

Yeah, thing is, I don't want to have to worry about being a league commissioner when I've never played before. However, I would love to join an RZ NL-only league, does anyone usually start one?

320

gilpdawg
12-21-2009, 05:31 AM
Yeah, thing is, I don't want to have to worry about being a league commissioner when I've never played before. However, I would love to join an RZ NL-only league, does anyone usually start one?

320

I'm sure someone will. If no one does, I will. But these things usually don't get going until ST.

Redsfan320
12-21-2009, 01:13 PM
Great!

320

Redsfan320
12-23-2009, 08:15 PM
How much work is involved in commissioning, particularly on Yahoo!?

320

Redsfan320
12-25-2009, 04:30 PM
^:feedback:^

320

AtomicDumpling
12-26-2009, 12:35 PM
^:feedback:^

320

Not much really, unless your league uses some unusual league rules that require extra work by the commish.

By the way, if you start a new thread to discuss your fantasy questions you will get more replies. This thread was made to discuss only one specific league -- our Redszone Dynasty League. Pretty much the only people that read this thread are the 12 people in our league.

Redsfan320
12-26-2009, 02:53 PM
By the way, if you start a new thread to discuss your fantasy questions you will get more replies.

I can't-- haven't been on long enough. However, I suppose it's not fair of me to be hijacking your thread with something completely of the threads' topic.

EDIT: Come January 2nd, I can start threads. This may just be my first one.


Not much really, unless your league uses some unusual league rules that require extra work by the commish.



No, if I commissioned a league, it would be a standard 5x5 roto.
Thanks.

320

camisadelgolf
01-27-2010, 04:03 PM
Any word on when things will pick back up again?

AtomicDumpling
01-27-2010, 06:36 PM
Any word on when things will pick back up again?

I am ready to get things started. Are you guys ready yet?

We need to hear from everybody to make sure everyone is going to play again this year.

Yahoo Fantasy Baseball is not open yet, but we can start getting things sorted out for sure.

nate
01-27-2010, 06:46 PM
I'm ready to start talking about it!

gilpdawg
01-28-2010, 06:52 AM
I'm still in.

camisadelgolf
01-28-2010, 07:25 AM
I'm ready whenever.

mbgrayson
01-29-2010, 12:45 AM
I'm in....of course!

AtomicDumpling
01-29-2010, 03:48 AM
Awesome. That is five guys reporting in so far to confirm they are participating again this year. Hopefully we will get all twelve to return.

Eric_the_Red
01-29-2010, 07:15 AM
Is the NL only league coming back as well?

AtomicDumpling
01-29-2010, 11:23 PM
I PM'ed the rest of the managers to ask them to confirm they are playing this year.

I really, really hope we won't need to replace any managers, but if we do I would like plenty of time to evaluate candidates to replace them. We need to make sure we get dedicated, competitive, experienced, active, fun team owners rather than take the first guy that comes along.

Yahoo has not opened up the fantasy baseball section at this time, so we can't officially enter the settings, teams and rosters yet. But we can at least start making plans.

When would you guys like to begin the draft? I am thinking sometime in early March perhaps. The draft will likely only be 2-4 rounds in duration, so it will take about a week.

I would like to get the rosters entered well before that time so everyone can evaluate their team's needs, study the draft-eligible players and make some trades before the draft.

I will create a new discussion thread here in the Fantasy Forum once the new league website is up and running.

I will also post the full rules from last year along with the changes we voted on at the end of the season.

Has anybody heard about any potential changes to the Yahoo system that could affect our league or that we may want to integrate into our rules? I still hold out hope for expanded roster sizes. A live chat window on the team pages would be nice. I heard that live scoring will be free this year, so that will save me $10.

What else do we need to take care of before we get the new season rolling again?

AtomicDumpling
01-30-2010, 03:48 AM
Reds77 and BaseCloggers have confirmed via PM that they will be playing again this year.

We now have 7 confirmed returnees, 5 unconfirmed, and no deserters yet.

Confirmed:
Atomic Dumpling
mbgrayson
camisadelgolf
nate
gilpdawg
Reds77
*BaseCloggers*

Hopefully we will hear from the rest of them soon.

WMR
01-30-2010, 04:04 AM
I'm down. What a freaking disappointment my team was last season. Pay-Rod better get out of the gate on fire this season.

nate
01-30-2010, 11:08 AM
I didn't get a PM but I had email issues yesterday.

nate
01-30-2010, 11:08 AM
I'm down. What a freaking disappointment my team was last season. Pay-Rod better get out of the gate on fire this season.

Yeah, you were terrible!

:cool:

mbgrayson
01-30-2010, 11:17 AM
Is the NL only league coming back as well?

Yep. I will wait another couple weeks to e-mail everyone....around the middle of February.

TRF
01-30-2010, 04:36 PM
I'm in.

AtomicDumpling
01-30-2010, 04:59 PM
I didn't get a PM but I had email issues yesterday.

You didn't get a PM because you had already confirmed here in this thread.

TRF has now confirmed and so has WMR.

I haven't heard yet from stephenk29, CinRedsFan2000 or redsfandan.

9 confirmations, 3 unconfirmed and 0 deserters so far.

WMR
01-30-2010, 09:51 PM
Yeah, you were terrible!

:cool:

Gee, thanks.

AtomicDumpling
01-30-2010, 10:14 PM
CinRedsFan2000 has now confirmed.

I haven't heard yet from stephenk29 or redsfandan.

10 confirmations, 2 unconfirmed and 0 deserters so far.

WMR
01-31-2010, 02:35 AM
Got any predictions for Francisco Liriano this season?

AtomicDumpling
01-31-2010, 02:50 AM
I went back and re-read the entire thread. It was interesting to relive the whole season again via our many posts during the draft and throughout the year.

I noticed that I never did post the final results of the season. Take a look below to see how the standings changed as the season rolled by:





May 10th:
R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. mbgrayson 12 5 8 9 7 11 5 10 7 12 86
2. Atomic Dumpling 9 2 3 12 9 2 12 6 12 11 78
3. redsfandan 3 9 5 9 10 3.5 8.5 8 10 9 75
4. TRF's debacle 8 7 6 4 11 3.5 7 9 11 7 73.5
4. Gilpdawg 10 10.5 4 11 2 12 3 11 6 4 73.5
6. stephenk29 11 12 12 1 12 7.5 10 5 1 1 72.5
7. The Basecloggers 2 8 7 3 4 5.5 8.5 12 8.5 5 63.5
8. reds77 6 6 11 6.5 6 9 4 7 3 3 61.5
9. CRF2000 7 4 2 9 5 10 2 3 8.5 9 59.5
10.nate 5 10.5 10 2 8 7.5 1 2 5 6 57
11.WMR Ghetty Green 4 3 9 6.5 3 5.5 6 4 4 9 54
12.camisadelgolf is #1 1 1 1 5 1 1 11 1 2 2 26

June 20th:
R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. nate 8 12 12 3 10 11 11 8 6 8.5 89.5
2. mbgrayson 10.5 9 9 9 4 10 5.5 9 11 11 88
3. Atomic Dumpling 12 3.5 8 12 12 2 12 3 10 10 84.5
4. Gilpdawg 9 8 6 11 5 12 3 11 4 3.5 72.5
5. stephenk29 10.5 10 11 4 9 5.5 9 6 3 1 69
6. TRF's debacle 4 5 2 1 8 8 5.5 10 12 12 67.5
7. CRF2000 6 6.5 5 6 7 9 1 5 9 7 61.5
8. reds77 7 11 10 7.5 3 7 2 7 2 2 58.5
9. redsfandan 3 6.5 4 5 11 1 8 2 7 6 53.5
10.The Basecloggers 1 3.5 3 2 2 5.5 7 12 8 8.5 52.5
11.WMR Ghetty Green 5 2 7 7.5 6 4 4 4 1 5 45.5
12.camisadelgolf is #1 2 1 1 10 1 3 10 1 5 3.5 37.5


August 6th:
R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. nate 9 12 12 6 10 11 12 8 8 7.5 95.5
2. Atomic Dumpling 11 4 8 12 12 5.5 11 6 9 9.5 88
3. mbgrayson 12 11 9.5 4.5 5 8 10 9 7 11 87
4. TRF's debacle 4 8 3 2 7 10 9 11 12 12 78
5. stephenk29 10 9 9.5 4.5 11 4 8 5 4.5 3 68.5
5. Gilpdawg 8 3 6 11 3 12 4 10 6 5.5 68.5
7. CRF2000 6 7 5 9 8.5 7 1 3 11 7.5 65
8. The Basecloggers 3 6 4 1 6 5.5 6 12 10 9.5 63
9. reds77 7 10 11 10 2 9 2 7 2 1 61
10.WMR Ghetty Green 5 5 7 7.5 4 3 5 4 1 5.5 47
11.redsfandan 1 2 1 3 8.5 1 3 2 4.5 4 30
12.camisadelgolf is #1 2 1 2 7.5 1 2 7 1 3 2 28.5

Final Results:
R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1. Atomic Dumpling 11 8 10 12 11.5 11.5 12 11 10 11 108
2. mbgrayson 12 11 12 7 7 7.5 11 10 7 9 93.5
3. nate 10 9 8 11 10 5 10 3 4 5.5 75.5
4. stephenk29 9 4 7 9 8.5 7.5 9 6 8.5 3.5 72
5. TRF's debacle 4 5 3 1.5 5 10 8 9 12 12 69.5
6. The Basecloggers 5 7 5.5 1.5 8.5 4 6 12 8.5 8 66
7. reds77 8 12 11 8 3 7.5 2 7 3 1 62.5
8. Gilpdawg 7 3 5.5 10 2 11.5 3 8 5 7 62
9. CRF2000 3 6 4 5 6 7.5 1 4 11 10 57.5
10.WMR Ghetty Green 6 10 9 6 4 3 5 5 1 5.5 54.5
11.redsfandan 1 2 2 3.5 11.5 1 4 2 6 3.5 36.5
12.camisadelgolf is #1 2 1 1 3.5 1 2 7 1 2 2 22.5



It sure was a fun season. I was fortunate enough to prevail in the end after a tough struggle, but I am definitely not going to rest on my laurels. It will be a long, grueling dogfight again this year I am sure.

It will be interesting to see how the various strategies employed by our managers will play out over the long haul. Some teams were in win-now mode while others were in dynasty mode with the aim of building up a long-term dominant squad.

We will see prospects develop into stars, older stars will begin to fade away and many surprises will occur along the way.

AtomicDumpling
01-31-2010, 02:52 AM
Got any predictions for Francisco Liriano this season?

I have seen him pegged as a sleeper this year on some websites. There is no question he has the talent to be a dominant pitcher because he has done it before.

nate
01-31-2010, 10:23 AM
The inning limit on pitching destroyed me.

camisadelgolf
01-31-2010, 04:10 PM
The inning limit on pitching destroyed me.
So what you're saying is that you have an excess of pitching? We should talk before the season starts . . .

AtomicDumpling
01-31-2010, 05:11 PM
So what you're saying is that you have an excess of pitching? We should talk before the season starts . . .

Let the trade talks begin!

camisadelgolf
02-01-2010, 12:04 PM
We're not doing any draft pick trading this year, am I right?

AtomicDumpling
02-01-2010, 04:17 PM
We're not doing any draft pick trading this year, am I right?

You can trade draft picks. The only pick you can't trade is the one "on the clock" during the draft.

Keep in mind the draft will be very, very short this year. It will most likely be about three rounds, with most owners dropping out after making one or two selections.

The only players available in the draft are the unwanted players from last year plus some additional young prospects that were not already in the Yahoo player pool last year.

Guys like Strasburg and Aroldis will likely be snatched up with the first few picks, then it will be very slim pickings for everyone else. I could be wrong though. We'll see soon enough.

Additionally, since almost every team has a full 30 man roster already, you will have to drop one of your current players every time you make a draft pick.

TRF
02-01-2010, 05:53 PM
Is the site set up yet? I mean so we can drop players, or is it the same league?

AtomicDumpling
02-01-2010, 08:04 PM
Is the site set up yet? I mean so we can drop players, or is it the same league?

The site is not up yet. I will put it up as soon as Yahoo Baseball opens for the season. Hopefully that will be in the next few days. Does anybody remember what date they opened last year?

Remember you get to keep all of your players, so you won't need to drop anybody until you make a draft selection that would put you over the 30 man roster limit.

TRF
02-02-2010, 11:29 AM
Do you have all our rosters? I can't even see last year's league.

redsfandan
02-02-2010, 12:59 PM
The site is not up yet. I will put it up as soon as Yahoo Baseball opens for the season. Hopefully that will be in the next few days. Does anybody remember what date they opened last year?

Typically yahoo releases their fantasy baseball in the second week of February (probably the middle of next week).

Do you have all our rosters? I can't even see last year's league.
Go to the page for yahoo sports, then the page for yahoo fantasy baseball (there'll be a message on the page about how the '09 season has ended), then click on the link for your fantasy profile. That's where you'll see all of your past yahoo leagues.

I also have the same info (plus some other stuff) about last years league.

redsfandan
02-02-2010, 01:24 PM
Additionally, since almost every team has a full 30 man roster already, you will have to drop one of your current players every time you make a draft pick.
These are the teams that will likely have to drop a player in order to draft any players:
Atomic Dumpling, camisadelgolf, mbgrayson, nate, stephenk29, TRF's debacle

And these are the teams that will only have to drop a player if they want to draft more than one player:
The Basecloggers, WMR Ghetty Green, redsfandan, reds77, Gilpdawg, CRF2000

AtomicDumpling
02-02-2010, 03:40 PM
Do you have all our rosters? I can't even see last year's league.

Yes, I saved all of our league information from last year -- including rosters and standings.

As redsfandan mentioned, you can view your roster from all of your prior Yahoo leagues by going to your Yahoo Fantasy Profile, then clicking on the league name.

AtomicDumpling
02-02-2010, 03:43 PM
Redsfandan,

I haven't received an official confirmation stating you are going to play again this year. I assume you are going to play since you have been active in the thread. Am I right?

Assuming redsfandan is playing then the only person we haven't heard from yet is stephenk29.

AtomicDumpling
02-02-2010, 03:51 PM
These are the teams that will likely have to drop a player in order to draft any players:
Atomic Dumpling, camisadelgolf, mbgrayson, nate, stephenk29, TRF's debacle

And these are the teams that will only have to drop a player if they want to draft more than one player:
The Basecloggers, WMR Ghetty Green, redsfandan, reds77, Gilpdawg, CRF2000

Wow, did you go through and count each team's roster? That must have taken some time. I am surprised there are that many teams that have less than 30 players. I thought there were only a couple teams without someone on the disabled list.

I think you can add camisadelgolf to the list of teams with less than 30 because he had Randy Johnson, who retired.

I will go through the rosters more thoroughly in a little while to see if I notice anything interesting.

If anybody is having trouble accessing their roster let me know and I will post it for you.

camisadelgolf
02-02-2010, 07:01 PM
Are you telling me I don't have the option of keeping Randy Johnson anyway?

redsfandan
02-03-2010, 12:32 AM
Redsfandan,

I haven't received an official confirmation stating you are going to play again this year. I assume you are going to play since you have been active in the thread. Am I right?

Assuming redsfandan is playing then the only person we haven't heard from yet is stephenk29.
Yeah I guess. You might want to email stephenk29 directly if you haven't already.

Wow, did you go through and count each team's roster? That must have taken some time. I am surprised there are that many teams that have less than 30 players. I thought there were only a couple teams without someone on the disabled list.
No, I didn't count each roster. The teams that will start with a full roster had a player on the dl at the end of the season AND that player is expected to be off the dl at the start of this season. Yes, there were only a couple teams without someone on the dl. But a few of the teams have a player that is expected to still be on the dl at the start of this season. Those players are Volquez, Jordan Zimmerman, and Bedard. Since they'll be on the dl they won't count towards the 30 player roster limit.

AtomicDumpling
02-03-2010, 03:33 AM
No, I didn't count each roster. The teams that will start with a full roster had a player on the dl at the end of the season AND that player is expected to be off the dl at the start of this season. Yes, there were only a couple teams without someone on the dl. But a few of the teams have a player that is expected to still be on the dl at the start of this season. Those players are Volquez, Jordan Zimmerman, and Bedard. Since they'll be on the dl they won't count towards the 30 player roster limit.

That's fine as long as Yahoo allows those players to be placed on the DL by the team owner at the time of the draft.

TRF
02-03-2010, 09:28 AM
can we pretty please change AVG to OPS?

nate
02-03-2010, 09:34 AM
can we pretty please change AVG to OPS?

I'd rather change it OBP or wOBA.

TRF
02-03-2010, 09:34 AM
my god my starting pitching was fantastic. Haladay AND Lee. Happ, Harang, Jackson, Wolf and the underrated Wandy Rodriguez.

Sure wish i had a bit more offense...

TRF
02-03-2010, 09:35 AM
I'd rather change it OBP or wOBA.

OBP I'd be ok with. I'd like a simple stat. OPS is pretty simple, but OBP might make more sense.

nate
02-03-2010, 10:47 AM
OBP I'd be ok with. I'd like a simple stat. OPS is pretty simple, but OBP might make more sense.

Personally, I think the player pool is a lot more interesting without the team-driven stats like RBI, pitching wins and saves.

AtomicDumpling
02-03-2010, 06:58 PM
my god my starting pitching was fantastic. Haladay AND Lee. Happ, Harang, Jackson, Wolf and the underrated Wandy Rodriguez.

Sure wish i had a bit more offense...

Your pitching really was fantastic last year. You led the league in ERA and WHIP, and both by large margins over the second place team.

I remember during the draft being a bit perplexed by a couple of your draft picks, but they really turned out to be wise selections.

TRF
02-03-2010, 08:37 PM
Thanks AD. it's the prophet in me :)

TRF
02-03-2010, 08:38 PM
I could use some offense though. I'm open to discussing a pre draft trade.

AtomicDumpling
02-08-2010, 02:03 AM
stephenk29 has now confirmed via email his participation for this year. That means we will have everyone back again for Season 2!

It is very, very rare to have 100% of the owners return to play from one year to the next, especially in a keeper league. I think it is a testament to the camaraderie, sportsmanship and friendliness exhibited by all the participants.

Yahoo should have their fantasy baseball application up and running in the next couple of days. As soon as it opens I will set up the league and send you the link to sign up. Then I can enter in all the rosters. Then we can start evaluating our teams' strengths and weaknesses, make some trades, and begin preparing for the draft.

Any thoughts on when we should begin the draft? It might be wise to wait until Spring Training is well underway so we can see how the players' roles are shaping up for the season.

camisadelgolf
02-08-2010, 03:42 AM
I think about two weeks before the first regular season game would be a good time to start the draft.

TRF
02-09-2010, 02:29 PM
So how many players on average do you (the league members) think you will drop? I'm looking at 5-7, at least 2 pitchers.

Sigh. so long Branyan, you did everything I expected from you and more.

AtomicDumpling
02-09-2010, 03:58 PM
So how many players on average do you (the league members) think you will drop? I'm looking at 5-7, at least 2 pitchers.

Sigh. so long Branyan, you did everything I expected from you and more.

I will probably drop one or maybe two players during the draft. It all depends on who is available when my late draft slot comes up.

TRF
02-09-2010, 05:08 PM
I have a bunch of guys that I thought MIGHT start this year. Matt Joyce, Josh Reddick. I'll probably keep Mat Gamel. Branyan I think I will drop. I don't see him getting a job. Fister and Villenueva I'm thinking of dropping as well.

redsfandan
02-09-2010, 05:12 PM
So how many players on average do you (the league members) think you will drop? I'm looking at 5-7, at least 2 pitchers.

Sigh. so long Branyan, you did everything I expected from you and more.
You're thinking of dropping THAT many players?? Who do you think will be available to you to replace guys #5-#7?

AtomicDumpling
02-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Yahoo Fantasy Baseball is now open!

I started up the league just now. An email was sent to the account you used to sign up for the league last year. The email contains a link that will allow you to join this year's league.

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/redszone_dynasty_league

Send me a note if you have any problems joining the league.

Remember that your team name must be the same as your Redszone username that you use here.

TRF
02-10-2010, 09:40 AM
You're thinking of dropping THAT many players?? Who do you think will be available to you to replace guys #5-#7?

:) if i told you, then you would pick them up.

TRF
02-10-2010, 09:41 AM
Yahoo Fantasy Baseball is now open!

I started up the league just now. An email was sent to the account you used to sign up for the league last year. The email contains a link that will allow you to join this year's league.

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/redszone_dynasty_league

Send me a note if you have any problems joining the league.

Remember that your team name must be the same as your Redszone username that you use here.


AD, can we vote on changing some scoring categories? I'm hating the BA category.

nate
02-10-2010, 10:09 AM
AD, can we vote on changing some scoring categories? I'm hating the BA category.

I don't mind BA but I don't like:

*RBI
*Pitching Wins
*Saves

I'd prefer

*OBP and/or SLG and/or OPS and/or wOBA
*BB allowed or maybe BB/9
*HR allowed or maybe HR/9

AtomicDumpling
02-10-2010, 03:45 PM
We can consider changing some scoring categories if there is strong support for doing so. We had a long period at the end of the season where we discussed possible rules changes and we can do that again this year.

Changing the scoring categories would be a huge new direction for the league. I am guessing most people would not be in favor of drastically altering the league in that way. We all drafted our teams and made key decisions based on the standard 5x5 categories that are used in 99% of fantasy leagues. I don't think people would be too happy with shifting the foundation the league is built upon. But I could be wrong.

TRF
02-10-2010, 03:47 PM
I call for a vote. I propose BA be replaced with OPS.

Would a simple majority sufice? 2/3's?

I also suggest we have one vote at a time. a category can be nominated. Once all have voted, then we can vote on additional nominations.


thoughts?

AtomicDumpling
02-10-2010, 04:03 PM
I call for a vote. I propose BA be replaced with OPS.

Would a simple majority sufice? 2/3's?

I also suggest we have one vote at a time. a category can be nominated. Once all have voted, then we can vote on additional nominations.


thoughts?

I vote to keep the stats as they are.

redsfandan
02-10-2010, 04:34 PM
I vote to keep the stats as they are.
I agree for now.

Obp would make more sense as a replacement for ba but whether it's obp or ops it would change the value of players that are already on teams. Dunn would be the extreme example of someone who would gain alot of value but other players would gain or lose value too.

To me a better idea might be to take a vote on whether a change is made to take effect next season. I know some might not want to wait a year for that kind of change but it would provide teams with time to adjust and prepare.

redsfandan
02-10-2010, 05:08 PM
I also suggest we have one vote at a time. a category can be nominated. Once all have voted, then we can vote on additional nominations.


thoughts?
I wouldn't have a problem with revisiting some things. There were discussions a couple months ago but I don't think everyone participated. But considering how much time we'd have to discuss things before the draft (3-4 weeks maybe?) it's hard to say how many things could be discussed sufficiently.

And even if we go with a 'majority rules' approach there's the possibility that any changes could make someone decide that they're not interested in staying in the league anymore. Normally, I'd take the view that the majority should be able to decide things and that it is up to the individual team owners to decide if they didn't want to stay. But in this case we could be left scrambling to find a replacement owner with not much time to do so. If an owner is busy with other things and isn't ready yet for the fantasy baseball season they could find that they're in a different league then what they thought. And accepting the first person to show interest in an open spot could be risky.

So, I guess I'm saying that if we are going to discuss things some thought should be put into how many topics to discuss, how much total time to allow for all of the discussion, and whether anyone would have strong objections to proposed changes.

Personally, discussion about any possible changes should happen in a keeper league. But there was already an attempt at that and at this point there's not alot of time left before the draft. So, IF there are going to be any discussions about possible changes I think they should end by March 1.

nate
02-10-2010, 05:21 PM
I would propose this for hitters:

BA either stays the same or becomes OBP
RBI changes to SLG

For pitchers, it's hard to say. I would prefer FIP to ERA but beyond that, I'm not sure what works to replace team stats like Wins and Saves.

nate
02-10-2010, 05:22 PM
Another thought, RBI becomes OBI% which is the percentage of baserunners scored.

redsfandan
02-10-2010, 06:00 PM
It kinda seems like you two (nate & trf) need to put your heads together about what kind of stat changes you'd like exactly and how to convince the league to make a switch. I'm not THAT much of a stat geek and OBI% is a new one to me. I also don't think it's a possibility. Here are the possible stat categories in yahoo:


Batters

Games Played
Games Started
At Bats
Runs
Hits
Singles
Doubles
Triples
Home Runs
Runs Batted In
Sacrifice Hits
Sacrifice Flys
Stolen Bases
Caught Stealing
Walks
Intentional Walks
Hit By Pitch
Strikeouts
Ground Into Double Play
Total Bases
Putouts
Assists
Errors
Fielding Percentage
Batting Average
On-base Percentage
Slugging Percentage
On-base + Slugging Percentage
Extra Base Hits
Net Stolen Bases
Stolen Base Percentage
Hitting for the Cycle
Plate Appearances
Grand Slam Home Runs
Outfield Assists
Double Plays Turned
Catcher Interference

Pitchers

Pitching Appearances
Games Started
Innings Pitched
Wins
Losses
Complete Games
Shutouts
Saves
Outs
Hits
Total Batters Faced
Runs
Earned Runs
Home Runs
Walks
Intentional Walks
Hit Batters
Strikeouts
Wild Pitches
Balks
Stolen Bases Allowed
Batters Grounded Into Double Plays
Save Chances
Holds
Total Bases Allowed
Earned Run Average
(Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched
Strikeouts per Walk Ratio
Strikeouts per Nine Innings
Pitch Count
Singles Allowed
Doubles Allowed
Triples Allowed
Relief Wins
Relief Losses
Pickoffs
Relief Appearances
On-base Percentage Against
Winning Percentage
Hits Per Nine Innings
Walks Per Nine Innings
No Hitters
Perfect Games
Save Percentage
Inherited Runners Scored
Quality Starts
Blown Saves
Net Saves

Keep in mind that the league was created as a basic fantasy baseball league. If you make any proposed changes too 'sabremetric' there's bound to be some opposition. That's just reality.

nate
02-10-2010, 06:27 PM
I'm not sure I directly want "sabremetric," I just want to increase the number of stats that are less team and more player dependent; I think it makes the league more interesting.

From that list, I like:

BATTERS
Hit type (either each type or maybe hits and extra-base hits)
BA
OBP
SLG

PITCHERS
BB/9
K/9
WHIP (not my favorite but OK)

AtomicDumpling
02-10-2010, 08:13 PM
Eight owners have officially signed in to the league so far. I am entering the rosters for each team as the owners join. Unfortunately you won't be able see your players on your team page until I enter the rosters for every team and officially "Begin the Season" as Yahoo terms it. So as soon as all twelve owners are signed up you will be able to start evaluating your team and it's strengths and weaknesses.

Still waiting for WMR, camisadelgolf, gilpdawg and Reds77. I emailed them and PMed them, so hopefully they will get logged in soon.

camisadelgolf
02-10-2010, 09:42 PM
I'm in.

redsfandan
02-11-2010, 12:02 AM
Unfortunately you won't be able see your players on your team page until I enter the rosters for every team and officially "Begin the Season" as Yahoo terms it. So as soon as all twelve owners are signed up you will be able to start evaluating your team and it's strengths and weaknesses.
Although people can always go to the league home page and click on the drop down box to season 2009.

mbgrayson
02-11-2010, 12:31 AM
I vote to keep the stats as they are.

I agree. This is a dynasty league. We picked players with a known set of stats that were going to be used. To change those stats now really changes the whole basis of the league.

I personally like many of the sabermetric stats, and I agree that they are better measures of real player value. But if I drafted a guy who will gets 'wins' because he is on a winning team that scores a lot of runs, just for getting points in the 'Wins' category, I would feel ripped off if 'wins' were replaced by a better stat.

I think the stats should be discussed and agreed on when a dynasty league is formed, not a year after the players were drafted.

nate
02-11-2010, 07:42 AM
I agree. This is a dynasty league. We picked players with a known set of stats that were going to be used. To change those stats now really changes the whole basis of the league.

I personally like many of the sabermetric stats, and I agree that they are better measures of real player value. But if I drafted a guy who will gets 'wins' because he is on a winning team that scores a lot of runs, just for getting points in the 'Wins' category, I would feel ripped off if 'wins' were replaced by a better stat.

I think the stats should be discussed and agreed on when a dynasty league is formed, not a year after the players were drafted.

I don't think changing a few stats would necessitate an extreme roster overhaul. It's likely a pitcher, for example, with a lot of wins is good at either striking out batters or not walking them or both. It's likely that a guy who hits for average has a good OBP. It's likely that a guy who hits HR has a high SLG. It's likely that a guy with a lot of RBI is a good OBP and SLG man.

I can't even remember who I have on my roster but I'm not really concerned about it changing things too much. And if so, that's part of the fun.

camisadelgolf
02-11-2010, 08:04 AM
If we agree to change a stat, I think we should wait until 2011 or 2012 to actually implement the change.

AtomicDumpling
02-12-2010, 10:15 PM
Still waiting for Reds77 and WMR to sign up for the league. I can't finalize everyone's rosters until all 12 teams have signed up.

AtomicDumpling
02-13-2010, 02:27 AM
Everybody has signed in to the league website now. I have entered in the complete rosters for every team in the league. You can now go to your team page and view all your players and set your lineup to see how things are shaping up for your team this year.

You can also go to the free agent list to see which players will be available in the draft this year. Obviously, you are not allowed to pick up any free agents at this time.

Please make sure the email address you have registered with the Yahoo league website is an address you check regularly. I will be sending out league updates periodically with news regarding the draft and any other issues that may come up this spring.

Please also check the Redszone fantasy forum thread and the league website message board on a regular basis for news and chatter. Feel free to post messages with your thoughts about the league, trade needs and any fantasy baseball chitchat.

All team owners are encouraged to begin making trades with other teams to help fill holes in your lineup or improve your squad.

Let's make this a fun, active and vibrant league again this year.

Good luck!

nate
02-13-2010, 03:13 PM
Here's (http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/convincing-a-league-to-use-obp) an article that offers some food for thought on the issue of OBP vs. BA in fantasy leagues.

redsfandan
02-13-2010, 03:44 PM
Thanks for the link nate. I'm all for switching to obp BUT I just wouldn't want the switch to be effective until NEXT year.

TRF
02-14-2010, 03:54 PM
So can we trade prior to the draft?

AtomicDumpling
02-14-2010, 05:47 PM
So can we trade prior to the draft?

Yes. Absolutely. Trades are highly encouraged.

Trades are going to be the best and quickest way to adjust, re-align, balance and improve our teams going into the season every year in our dynasty league.

To help facilitate trades it may be beneficial to utilize the "Trading Block" function on the league website. This tool lets each owner publicize what he is looking for and what he has available to trade away. It is kind of like a dating service for trade talks. It can help owners find a likely match for their needs and serves as a great starting point for trade negotiations.

You can also use the "Email League" function on the league website to send messages to specific owners to discuss potential trades.

AtomicDumpling
02-14-2010, 06:29 PM
The draft order will be the reverse of last year's final standings.

The draft order is also the same as the initial waiver priority, which can be a big advantage as well.

Round 1 of the 2010 draft will be:

1. Camisadelgolf
2. Redsfandan
3. WMR Ghetty Green
4. CRF2000
5. Gilpdawg
6. Reds77
7. The Basecloggers
8. TRF's Debacle
9. Stephenk29
10. Nate
11. Mbgrayson
12. Atomic Dumpling

camisadelgolf
02-14-2010, 09:09 PM
Can I go ahead and put in a waiver claim for my first pick?

AtomicDumpling
02-14-2010, 11:20 PM
Can I go ahead and put in a waiver claim for my first pick?

We better wait until the draft starts. Otherwise it will be confusing to owners preparing for the draft. Besides, what if something happens to him during Spring Training. What if you change your mind and decide to draft someone else. Unlikely I know, but it could happen.

You just can't contain your excitement to see that stud rookie on your team page can you? :p:

We haven't yet settled on a date for the draft. Early March? Mid March?

camisadelgolf
02-15-2010, 06:31 AM
You just can't contain your excitement to see that stud rookie on your team page can you? :p:
This sums it up for me perfectly. :D

TRF
02-15-2010, 10:39 AM
ok, I have pitching to deal, likely one of the best staffs in the league. And I need some offense. I have my eyes on a few players for the draft, but I'm open to trade offers.

TRF
02-16-2010, 01:34 PM
camis, i was wondering if you'd dangle Escobar in front of me. But a potential ace and 40+ steals for escobar and Kennedy? I wouldn't pick Kennedy up off the waiver wire

camisadelgolf
02-16-2010, 03:24 PM
Kennedy is also a potential ace, but if you wouldn't pick him up off the waiver wire, I can understand that. As for the 40+ steals, that's about all your SS has to offer. It doesn't help that he plays in San Diego.

Anyway, I'm willing to accept something of lesser value if you're willing to make an offer for Stephen Drew. The reason I have Escobar on the trading block is because I need some big pitching upgrades and in the outfield.

TRF
02-16-2010, 04:54 PM
Kennedy is also a potential ace, but if you wouldn't pick him up off the waiver wire, I can understand that. As for the 40+ steals, that's about all your SS has to offer. It doesn't help that he plays in San Diego.

Anyway, I'm willing to accept something of lesser value if you're willing to make an offer for Stephen Drew. The reason I have Escobar on the trading block is because I need some big pitching upgrades and in the outfield.

I'm interested in Escobar, but not Kennedy. Even without Harang, I think I have great pitching, but I'm inclined to keep him. How about Wolf for Escobar?

camisadelgolf
02-16-2010, 08:53 PM
I have zero interest in Wolf. I also think you're much higher on Harang than I am. Harang is past his prime, and Escobar is just entering his. I'll take another look at your roster and see if I can come up with something else. In the meantime, feel free to make another offer.

TRF
02-17-2010, 09:45 AM
Offer sent. Happ for Escobar.

TRF
02-19-2010, 01:14 PM
Looks like I am probably dropping Branyan, Lopez and maybe Carlos Villanueva, though i might keep him a bit past the draft. That'll give me six slots for the draft. Got my eyes on about 30 players total.

I might have to find me a league that drafts soon. I feel the itch.

AtomicDumpling
02-22-2010, 12:28 AM
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