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Highlifeman21
02-25-2009, 10:03 PM
WGC Leaderboard via ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/features/accenture?id=3913305)

Business as usual for Mr. Woods.

Rod Pampling, however, probably didn't expect to get steamrolled by Villegas 7 & 6 (goodnight, sir!).

Anthony Kim stomps his opponent 7 & 5.

Discuss.

guttle11
02-25-2009, 10:08 PM
Anthony Kim is just a great match play guy. I expect him to win several of these by the time he's done, as well as put up great Ryder and President's Cup records.

Highlifeman21
02-25-2009, 10:10 PM
Anthony Kim is just a great match play guy. I expect him to win several of these by the time he's done, as well as put up great Ryder and President's Cup records.

The kid has enough game to match his ego.

Dangerous combo.

I'm hoping he continues to rise to the top to challenge Tiger. It's about time Tiger had a rival.

icehole3
02-26-2009, 07:08 AM
Caught some of the Tiger show, sunk about 20 footer to win a hole the ball went up and down a slope, I just shook my head, he's back.

icehole3
02-26-2009, 07:10 AM
my question is and I dont think he is, but does anyone think he may have taken some type of enhancements, he body is friggin ripped like a greek god?

bucksfan2
02-26-2009, 08:17 AM
The kid has enough game to match his ego.

Dangerous combo.

I'm hoping he continues to rise to the top to challenge Tiger. It's about time Tiger had a rival.

What David Duval could have been. Those two started off as great rivals and then Duval had to deal with injuries and personal issues. I have always hoped for him to make a comeback but as more time passes that seems less and less likely.

Highlifeman21
02-26-2009, 08:55 AM
my question is and I dont think he is, but does anyone think he may have taken some type of enhancements, he body is friggin ripped like a greek god?

If you had as much money as Tiger, you could afford to work out for 90 mins a day with the best trainer(s) available.

I'd almost be disappointed if his body wasn't in optimal condition, ya know?

Highlifeman21
02-26-2009, 08:56 AM
What David Duval could have been. Those two started off as great rivals and then Duval had to deal with injuries and personal issues. I have always hoped for him to make a comeback but as more time passes that seems less and less likely.

Duval also had swing issues to deal with aside from injuries, and personal issues.

But yeah, when Duval was rockin' the Oakley M Frames and throwin' darts at pins, it was exciting for a season or two.

Red
02-26-2009, 03:03 PM
Anthony Kim is just a great match play guy. I expect him to win several of these by the time he's done, as well as put up great Ryder and President's Cup records.

Counting the Ryder Cup, Kim has now played two rounds of match play as an individual. He beat Sergio at Valhalla and he beat some no name from the far east yesterday.

There is as much evidence that Kim is a GREAT match play guy as there was that Tuffy Rhodes was a great home run hitter after he jacked out 3 on opening day that year.

MWM
02-26-2009, 03:22 PM
Wecome to RedsZone. Looks like you're off to a roaring start.

Matt700wlw
02-26-2009, 04:20 PM
Caught some of the Tiger show, sunk about 20 footer to win a hole the ball went up and down a slope, I just shook my head, he's back.

Just another day at the office.

Just tuned in, so not sure how today is going...

Hoosier Red
02-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Counting the Ryder Cup, Kim has now played two rounds of match play as an individual. He beat Sergio at Valhalla and he beat some no name from the far east yesterday.

There is as much evidence that Kim is a GREAT match play guy as there was that Tuffy Rhodes was a great home run hitter after he jacked out 3 on opening day that year.


Red may have been a bit harsh but he was prescient. Kim loses to Wilson 2 and 1.

Tiger's down 3 with 3 to play.

Redhook
02-26-2009, 05:51 PM
Well, that didn't last long. Tiger loses 4&2 to Tim Clark. Clark played solid making no bogies. Tiger was erratic and really didn't come close to winning today. At least it was fun watching him play again.

Red
02-26-2009, 10:53 PM
Sorry if I was harsh. Just not sure how anyone can say Kim is great at match play when his pro career shows half as many wins in match play as Rory McIlroy has since 6 PM yesterday.

Yes Kim was impressive at the Ryder Cup, taking out Sergio but he and Phil blew a fourball match that they led by 4 holes and today Kim got taken out by a guy who has never won a pro tournament.

Its not that I have anything against Kim, I just don't see the evidence. He has played 2 matches as a pro, 1 singles match at the Ryder Cup and 2 Walker Cup singles matches back in 2005. He is a combined 2-3 in those matches. So why should we believe he is "great"?

0-2 at the Walker Cup
1-0 at the Ryder Cup
1-1 this week

Boston Red
02-27-2009, 12:54 AM
That Phil Mickelson almost choked again. How embarrassing.

Redhook
02-27-2009, 06:42 PM
I prefer playing match play over stroke play myself, but watching it on tv is a whole different story. This event just has way too much down time. And we're not even to the weekend yet.

Highlifeman21
02-28-2009, 06:23 PM
I prefer playing match play over stroke play myself, but watching it on tv is a whole different story. This event just has way too much down time. And we're not even to the weekend yet.

I found myself not sure who to root for between Cink and Els, 2 of my favorite guys out there right now...

I was glad to watch O'Hair battle thru food poisoning to at least not let Casey totally stomp him...

MWM
03-01-2009, 01:25 PM
I'm kind of excited about the final. I'm a big fan of Ogilvy. He's got massive game and he's one of the few up and comers who you could see has the ability to assert himself as a consistent contender in majors and atop the money list. He's primed for a big break through.

And I love his swing. He does some weird things with his swing, which I like as watching all the finely manicured, picture perfect swings gets a little boring. He's got that Fred Couples thing going where he generates tons of club head speed while looking like he's barely swinging.

I like Paul Casey as well, but I'll be pulling for Ogilvy.

Highlifeman21
03-01-2009, 03:03 PM
Something about Ogilvy rubs me the wrong way.

Maybe it's the fact he plays crappy equipment b/c they gave him the most money at the time, and locked him into a LTC to play that crap?

Maybe it's the fact that he doesn't spell his first name correctly?

Maybe it's the fact he's overrated IMO?

... and Paul Casey's the kinda guy I wish had US citizenship so he could play on our Match Play teams

I guess I'm rooting for Casey by default

MWM
03-01-2009, 03:49 PM
Yeah, when Ogilvy won the US Open, I felt similarly. Not because of anything he did, but because he fell ass backwards into the title. He didn't have to finish knowing that he had to par or birdie to win. Monty and Phil choked it away after Geoff was done. None of that is his fault and anyway it happens, winning the US Open is huge. But that was initial reaction to him. I realized how stupid that was and i started to like the guy because he's always come across to me as an everyday Joe. The PGA Tour has so many guys out there who are silver spoon type of guys who i could never sit down and have a drink with. Ogilvy seems a little more rough around the edges.

Red
03-01-2009, 09:23 PM
No fan of Cobra myself but if he can win 3 WGC events and a US Open he is obviously playing equipment that suits him just fine. I think all players go for the money. Tiger obviously did. He wasn't a Nike man until they threw cash at him. Same with Phil and Ernie with Callaway. If this is the reason he rubs you the wrong way then every golfer who wears a sponsors logo should rub you the wrong way. Those guys with the titleist hats aren't doing public service announcements.

Not sure what would make you say he is overrated. The guy flies under the radar more than any top 10 player in the world. Don't people actually have to talk about you for you to be overrated? I don't hear anyone talking about Ogilvy. If anything he is perhaps the most underrated player in the world.

Ogilvy has as good an all around game as anyone. His crappy equipment seems to get the ball into perfect position in the center of the fairway. His crappy irons seem to him pinpoint shot after pinpoint shot. When he did hit a wayward iron he would hit perfect recovery shots, even with a bag of 14 tin cans on a stick.

If you think Ogilvy is overrated that means you think he is rated ahead of guys that you think are better than him. Got any examples highlifeman?

Highlifeman21
03-01-2009, 11:05 PM
No fan of Cobra myself but if he can win 3 WGC events and a US Open he is obviously playing equipment that suits him just fine. I think all players go for the money. Tiger obviously did. He wasn't a Nike man until they threw cash at him. Same with Phil and Ernie with Callaway. If this is the reason he rubs you the wrong way then every golfer who wears a sponsors logo should rub you the wrong way. Those guys with the titleist hats aren't doing public service announcements.

Not sure what would make you say he is overrated. The guy flies under the radar more than any top 10 player in the world. Don't people actually have to talk about you for you to be overrated? I don't hear anyone talking about Ogilvy. If anything he is perhaps the most underrated player in the world.

Ogilvy has as good an all around game as anyone. His crappy equipment seems to get the ball into perfect position in the center of the fairway. His crappy irons seem to him pinpoint shot after pinpoint shot. When he did hit a wayward iron he would hit perfect recovery shots, even with a bag of 14 tin cans on a stick.

If you think Ogilvy is overrated that means you think he is rated ahead of guys that you think are better than him. Got any examples highlifeman?

... in reverse order...

Guys I think Are Better Than Ogilvy
Camilo Villegas
Anthony Kim
Lee Westwood
Steve Stricker
Ernie Els
Jim Furyk
Adam Scott
Mike Weir
Justin Rose
KJ Choi
Paul Casey
Stewart Cink
Luke Donald
Ian Poulter
Reteif Goosen

That's 15 guys below him in the World Golf Rankings that IMO are better than Ogilvy.

I'm sure only 8 or 9 pieces of equipment in his bag is Cobra. And Hell, his irons might actually be Titleists stamped as Cobra. He certainly wouldn't be the 1st Tour golfer to stamp their sponsors' logo on their equipment in place of the actual manufacturer's logo. Ogilvy's obviously got some talent, I just don't think he's as good as his record. I think he's just been very fortunate/lucky in his career. But, some say they'd rather be lucky than good when golfing...

Tiger choosing Nike was a GREAT move, actually. It brought Nike into ring with Titleist/Microsoft, and gave other companies like Taylor Made & Callaway hope. It's been a win/win for everyone equipment-wise. Everyone's pushing each other's R&D to the envelope. In turn, it's led for great stuff for the consumer, and even better stuff for Tour players.

Philly Mick's decision, however, was the worst EVER. Changed equipment what, 1 week before the Ryder Cup? I guess 10 figures helps make decisions, ya know?

With Ernie, I think he actually believed in Callaway's product and made money in the process. At least that's what I want to believe.

I'm guilty of Phil's decision, too. I have a closet full of Callaway & Ashworth apparel. I have 3 pairs of Callaway golf shoes. I have probably a dozen Callaway fitted hats. I have a staff bag and a carry bag full of Callaway drivers, fairway metal, irons, wedges and putters. I probably have 24 Dozen various HX Tour and HXi balls around the house. I'm a Golf Pro sponsorship *****, what can I say? For 2 years, Callaway paid my section tourney event entry fees and gave me a crap load of free schwag. Was I crazy about their equipment? Absolutely not. But I was crazy about their offer.

--- >although I currently play:

Driver - Callaway FT5 8 Deg Neutral w/ some Aldila Prototype 80 weight shaft S flex tipped
3 wood - Callaway Fusion 13 Deg. w/ V2 shaft R flex 2.5 inch tipped
1 Hybrid - Callaway Fusion 14 (bent to 15) Deg. w/ Aldila VS shaft S Flex
3 Hybird - Callaway Fusion 19 Deg. w/ Aldila VS shaft S Flex
4 - 9 - Titleist 962B w/ Project X 6.5 shafts
PW - Titleist Spin Milled 49 w/ Project X Spinner Shaft
GW - Callaway X Tour 53 Ded MD w/ Tour Grind w/ Project X Spinner Shaft
SW/LW - Callaway X Tour 58 Deg MD w/ Project X Spinner Shaft
Putter - Callaway Tour Blue TT1 35.5 inch

...

Razor Shines
03-02-2009, 02:45 AM
No fan of Cobra myself but if he can win 3 WGC events and a US Open he is obviously playing equipment that suits him just fine. I think all players go for the money. Tiger obviously did. He wasn't a Nike man until they threw cash at him. Same with Phil and Ernie with Callaway. If this is the reason he rubs you the wrong way then every golfer who wears a sponsors logo should rub you the wrong way. Those guys with the titleist hats aren't doing public service announcements.

Not sure what would make you say he is overrated. The guy flies under the radar more than any top 10 player in the world. Don't people actually have to talk about you for you to be overrated? I don't hear anyone talking about Ogilvy. If anything he is perhaps the most underrated player in the world.

Ogilvy has as good an all around game as anyone. His crappy equipment seems to get the ball into perfect position in the center of the fairway. His crappy irons seem to him pinpoint shot after pinpoint shot. When he did hit a wayward iron he would hit perfect recovery shots, even with a bag of 14 tin cans on a stick.

If you think Ogilvy is overrated that means you think he is rated ahead of guys that you think are better than him. Got any examples highlifeman?
Nike didn't make clubs before Tiger. And as I understand it he doesn't have to play with them if he doesn't think they are the best clubs, he still uses a Scotty Cameron putter. But you can bet your butt that Nike made for darn sure that the clubs Tiger uses will always have a swoosh on them, whether they are actual Nike clubs or not. Isn't there still a rumor that Tiger has his Irons forged by Miura, or was that finally killed? I used to pay close attention to that kind of stuff.

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 08:25 AM
Nike didn't make clubs before Tiger. And as I understand it he doesn't have to play with them if he doesn't think they are the best clubs, he still uses a Scotty Cameron putter. But you can bet your butt that Nike made for darn sure that the clubs Tiger uses will always have a swoosh on them, whether they are actual Nike clubs or not. Isn't there still a rumor that Tiger has his Irons forged by Miura, or was that finally killed? I used to pay close attention to that kind of stuff.

Last I checked, Nike stamps a swoosh on Mizuno irons for Mr. Woods.

He does, however, play their driver, which is uniquely theirs.

Red
03-02-2009, 11:14 AM
That list is an utter joke highlifeman.

Poulter has never won a thing. He even has a tendency to shank shots when under pressure. I like Poulter but he is a definite level below GO.

Stricker is a good player but nowhere near capable of doing what Ogilvy did this week. So how can he be considered as good?

Luke Donald, same thing. Fine player but he couldn't shoot -12 over 33 holes of mini golf, let alone a pressure packed final like yesterday.

Justin Rose doesn't have the game of Ogilvy either. He has all the talent but something is missing upstairs with Justin. Again, it is the reason he has never done anything like this.

I like Westwood as much as the next guy but he has no WGC wins and no majors. Geoff has 4 total. If you want to call Ogilvy lucky, so be it, but he has gotten the job done and put himself into position to be lucky, Westwood never does.

Disagree with Cink as well. The guy has world class talent and is one of the top 25 players in the world. But he doesn't belong in any discussion of the worlds top five. Ogilvy does.

Choi, Goosen, Furyk and Adam Scott don't belong in this discussion either. Adam Scott will shoot 61 to win Houston but he couldn't make 1/4 of the putts Ogilvy made over the last 5 days. Goosen and Furyk had their runs. Both can still win but neither will ever be a top 5 player again, IMO. Choi is a solid pro but doesn't have the all around game that Ogilvy does.

I won't argue with Villegas and Kim as they have serious game. The other guys however have had plenty of time to boost their resumes and they haven't done it.

Red
03-02-2009, 11:18 AM
Nike didn't make clubs before Tiger. And as I understand it he doesn't have to play with them if he doesn't think they are the best clubs, he still uses a Scotty Cameron putter. But you can bet your butt that Nike made for darn sure that the clubs Tiger uses will always have a swoosh on them, whether they are actual Nike clubs or not. Isn't there still a rumor that Tiger has his Irons forged by Miura, or was that finally killed? I used to pay close attention to that kind of stuff.

I didn't say they did make clubs before Tiger. All I said was that the only reason Tiger plays Nike is because of the checks they send him.

I can't find anything that says he plays mizuno with Nike stamps. Would be curious to see that point validated somewhere. If it is true it is just stupid. Playing mizuno while claiming you are playing Nike should be illegal and probably is.

MWM
03-02-2009, 11:49 AM
Golf discussions on this site are supposed to be fun. Why don't we leave the other stuff on the baseball side where it belongs. :evil:

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 12:00 PM
I didn't say they did make clubs before Tiger. All I said was that the only reason Tiger plays Nike is because of the checks they send him.

I can't find anything that says he plays mizuno with Nike stamps. Would be curious to see that point validated somewhere. If it is true it is just stupid. Playing mizuno while claiming you are playing Nike should be illegal and probably is.

I know for a fact when Nike first started making Tiger's irons they bought the press mold for his MP 14s that he played as an amateur, b/c the copyright/patent window had expired and Nike compensated Mizuno very well for the technology. They did not, however, buy the press mold for the MP 29s, b/c their copyright/patent window had not expired.

Even when Tiger played for Titleist, Miura forged Tiger's Titleists. It may be the case that now Nike's finally gotten a good handle on their bought technology, and that their forging happens in Japan or Thailand, but the actual grinding happens down in Fort Worth, TX. So, take that as you will. The forging happens overseas, and definitely not buy a sole Nike facility. Plenty of clubmakers forge their clubs at either Endo Japan or Endo Thailand, so to say that what Tiger plays is 100% Nike is kinda laughable, IMO. But, Tiger's credited Mike Taylor with Nike down in Fort Worth with doing some custom grinds, so who knows at this point? All I do know is that when Nike got into the club game, it was by making equipment that was no longer protected by copyright/patent.

On a similar note, have you noticed exactly how much Scotty Cameron putters look like various ping models? Same thing. Copyright/patent window expires, Scotty Cameron "revolutionizes" the putting market with something Ping put out probably 20 years ago.

... and plenty of Tour Pros play equipment that's made by another manufacturer with the stamp of their sponsor. That's been going on for yeaaaaaaaaaars. MacGregor used to be the big player in forged irons, and they allowed players to stamp other brands on their irons, since MacGregor was getting money for it anyway. Mizuno's done the same, and for awhile, as I said, some of Titleist's stuff was actually Miura. Nothing illegal about it at all.

Razor Shines
03-02-2009, 01:44 PM
I didn't say they did make clubs before Tiger. All I said was that the only reason Tiger plays Nike is because of the checks they send him.

I can't find anything that says he plays mizuno with Nike stamps. Would be curious to see that point validated somewhere. If it is true it is just stupid. Playing mizuno while claiming you are playing Nike should be illegal and probably is.

Well I know that he played Mizzys as an amateur, I thought that he was using Titleist, but Highlifeman would know better than me. The point is who ever makes it, Tiger uses the best equipment, and it's stuff we probably can't buy. And Nike makes putters, why does he use a Scotty Cameron? Because it's the best.

Red
03-02-2009, 02:24 PM
... and plenty of Tour Pros play equipment that's made by another manufacturer with the stamp of their sponsor. That's been going on for yeaaaaaaaaaars.

How do you know Ogilvy isn't doing the same thing? Maybe the cobra logos you see are just that, logos.

I was just kidding when I said it was illegal.

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 03:09 PM
How do you know Ogilvy isn't doing the same thing? Maybe the cobra logos you see are just that, logos.

I was just kidding when I said it was illegal.


Driver: King Cobra Speed Pro D 9.5 with Aldila XVS8 shaft
3 Wood: King Cobra X Speed XGB 15 with Fujikura Sapphire shaft
2 Iron: Cobra Forged CB
Irons: (3-9) Cobra MB Pro with Royal Precision FM 7.3 shafts
PW Wedge: Titleist Vokey Design 50
SW Wedge: Titleist Vokey Design 55
LW Wedge: Titleist Vokey Design Spin Milled 60
Putter: Scotty Cameron by Titleist prototype
Ball: Titleist Pro V1


Supposedly that's what he's got in his bag. See below...

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/uploads/post-1-1173929051.jpg

To me, they look just like the stock Cobra MB Pro phot. See below...

http://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/upload/26144/attachments/Cobra_ProMB600.jpg

So, draw your own conclusions I guess.

Red
03-02-2009, 03:23 PM
Um you might want to look a little closer. The clubs in the bag have 3 depressions while the "stock club" you show only has 2. The middle depression is not there on the "stock club".

Also the depressions aren't even the same shape on the two clubs.


Other than the Cobra, Pro MB logo, they don't look the same at all.

Redhook
03-02-2009, 03:39 PM
No, they don't look the same. But they are similar. My friend just bought the new Cobra MB's. They look sweet to me. If I had a choice, I'd actually rather play Cobra equipment over Titleist. The irons are similar, but I like the hot Cobra drivers better than the Titleist drivers.

Redhook
03-02-2009, 03:49 PM
... in reverse order...

Guys I think Are Better Than Ogilvy
Camilo Villegas
Anthony Kim
Lee Westwood
Steve Stricker
Ernie Els
Jim Furyk
Adam Scott
Mike Weir
Justin Rose
KJ Choi
Paul Casey
Stewart Cink
Luke Donald
Ian Poulter
Reteif Goosen

That's 15 guys below him in the World Golf Rankings that IMO are better than Ogilvy.


Wow, that list is brutal. No offense. Ogilvy just dominated Cink and Casey. Poulter shouldn't even sniff this list. Donald is coming off an injury. Goosen has been lost for a couple of years. Rose, no way. Scott can't putt. Weir isn't close to Top 10 anymore. Ogilvy is clearly better than all those guys.

An argument can be made with Els, his history. Furyk. Choi. Westwood. But, Ogilvy is playing better than them right now too.

I don't know. I think Ogilvy has proven to be a damn good player. Is he Top 5 in the world? Probably not, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's Top 10 right now.

I also like the guy. I like his honesty and candor in his interviews. I think he's a breath of fresh air. I just wish I had him on my fantasy team. He's kicking my a**.

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 06:38 PM
No, they don't look the same. But they are similar. My friend just bought the new Cobra MB's. They look sweet to me. If I had a choice, I'd actually rather play Cobra equipment over Titleist. The irons are similar, but I like the hot Cobra drivers better than the Titleist drivers.

IMO, their driver is the only thing Cobra does right.

These MBs look like a step in the right direction for Cobra, however.


I forget Redhook, which staff are you on these days? My buddy's deal with Mizuno just expired, and he's thinking about joining Taylor Made, but I think that's just so he can get one of those R9 fitting carts for his facility. He just got the job as GM at Augustine near Quantico, VA.

I have a set of X Forged that I just haven't gotten used to. I think I need to bend them at least a degree more upright and slap a strip of lead tape on the bottom to help the swingweight. I think they are only D2 or D3 right now.

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 06:45 PM
Wow, that list is brutal. No offense. Ogilvy just dominated Cink and Casey. Poulter shouldn't even sniff this list. Donald is coming off an injury. Goosen has been lost for a couple of years. Rose, no way. Scott can't putt. Weir isn't close to Top 10 anymore. Ogilvy is clearly better than all those guys.

An argument can be made with Els, his history. Furyk. Choi. Westwood. But, Ogilvy is playing better than them right now too.

I don't know. I think Ogilvy has proven to be a damn good player. Is he Top 5 in the world? Probably not, but I don't think there's any doubt that he's Top 10 right now.

I also like the guy. I like his honesty and candor in his interviews. I think he's a breath of fresh air. I just wish I had him on my fantasy team. He's kicking my a**.

Ogilvy's playing well right now, but I just think the guy's overrated.

I think he's just a lucky player, which as I previously said isn't a bad thing, I just don't think it's something he'll be able to sustain going forward.

I stand by my list. Ogilvy's not a guy I would ever bet money on, and he's definitely a guy I would bet against.

That being said, I hope he proves me wrong, and show's he's legit, not Ben Curtis or Todd Hamilton.

Red
03-02-2009, 07:12 PM
He has already proved you wrong. The guy is the 4th in the world with 3 WGC wins and a major. What exactly does he have to do to prove that he is legit, to you? If Ogilvy is not legit based on his resume then you can't say Cink, Westwood, Casey, Choi, Kim, Villegas, Wier, Furyk, Donald, Rose or Scott is legit either. That entire group has only one more major and less WGC wins than Ogilvy, combined.

The world golf rankings are based on results. The better the field and the better your finish, the more points you earn. Somehow Ogilvy is ahead of everyone you named, significantly at that. And this is all based on luck? -12 over 33 holes is lucky?

Redhook
03-02-2009, 07:14 PM
IMO, their driver is the only thing Cobra does right.

These MBs look like a step in the right direction for Cobra, however.


I forget Redhook, which staff are you on these days? My buddy's deal with Mizuno just expired, and he's thinking about joining Taylor Made, but I think that's just so he can get one of those R9 fitting carts for his facility. He just got the job as GM at Augustine near Quantico, VA.

I have a set of X Forged that I just haven't gotten used to. I think I need to bend them at least a degree more upright and slap a strip of lead tape on the bottom to help the swingweight. I think they are only D2 or D3 right now.

Trust me. The new Cobra irons are pretty sweet. They look like a true blade when looking down at them. And I'm a blade guy.

Speaking of which. I actually signed with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago. I really, really don't like switching clubs so this was not easy for me. However, I already carry 10 Cleveland irons so I thought this would be the easiest switch. I currently have the TA1 blade irons. And I carry 3 Cleveland wedges. I'll switch to the CG Tour irons. They're awesome looking. I'll gradually break in the wedges, but it might be a couple months before they join the bag.

I'm going to keep my putter, 8802, and 3 wood, Taylor Made retro spoon. Apparently I like clubs that are tough to hit...lol.

As for the driver, I'm going to switch to the new Cleveland Monster driver. It's a beast. It looks funny with the scooped out top, but damn does it go.

I'll be switching to the Srixon Z-Star X ball too. I've played a few times with it and I'm surprised that I like it so much. I thought this would be the hardest switch since I've also played Titleist. It's not a big deal at all.

I'm really excited about this upcoming year. I passed Level II two weeks ago and I'm almost done with Level III. I'm planning on becoming a member in May or June. Then, I can qualify for the CPC. I'd really like to play in that National Champ. and have a chance to qualify for the PGA.

Redhook
03-02-2009, 07:20 PM
Ogilvy's playing well right now, but I just think the guy's overrated.

I think he's just a lucky player, which as I previously said isn't a bad thing, I just don't think it's something he'll be able to sustain going forward.

I stand by my list. Ogilvy's not a guy I would ever bet money on, and he's definitely a guy I would bet against.

That being said, I hope he proves me wrong, and show's he's legit, not Ben Curtis or Todd Hamilton.

Damn. You're high maintenance when it comes to critiquing players. Are you as hard on yourself as you are on these guys? I hope not. I think you'd hate the game. :p:

As Red has stated, you're being a little harsh on Ogilvy. The guy is damn good. Luck can only take you so far. He is legit.

Curtis is legit too. He struggled for a bit after the British, but he's won a few times since and played on the Ryder Cup team. No, he's not top 20 in the world, but not many are. He gets more out of his game than most on tour.

Hamilton was a fluke. I wouldn't include Ogilvy or Curtis with him. They've proven to be sustained good players.

MWM
03-02-2009, 07:49 PM
Every club in my bag outside putter is Cleveland and I love them (although, I'm toying with going to the X-20 irons. A buddy has given to me as a loaner to try out. I think they might be better suited for my game than the TA4s I currently hit). I've never hit a driver as well as I've hit the Launcher Gold (yes, it's about 4 years old and now out-dated). I love the Cleveland hi-bore hybrids. They're about as easy a club to hit as was ever made and has made a huge difference on my long iron play.

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 09:28 PM
He has already proved you wrong. The guy is the 4th in the world with 3 WGC wins and a major. What exactly does he have to do to prove that he is legit, to you? If Ogilvy is not legit based on his resume then you can't say Cink, Westwood, Casey, Choi, Kim, Villegas, Wier, Furyk, Donald, Rose or Scott is legit either. That entire group has only one more major and less WGC wins than Ogilvy, combined.

The world golf rankings are based on results. The better the field and the better your finish, the more points you earn. Somehow Ogilvy is ahead of everyone you named, significantly at that. And this is all based on luck? -12 over 33 holes is lucky?

Ogilvy's playing well over the last 18 months. Good for him.

I still think he's overrated, and since we're talking about World Golf Rankings, I think they're a joke.

Nothing against Tiger, but he didn't touch a club from the completion of the US Open until last week, and IMO he shouldn't have remained at the top spot. Sure, we all know he's the best in the world, but other guys were playing while he wasn't, so by default he should have lost his #1 world ranking, right?

I don't think Ogilvy will finish 2009 in the Top 10 of those joke of a World Golf Ranking. That's my prediction.

If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. I have no problem with admitting I'm wrong when it happens.

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 09:35 PM
Trust me. The new Cobra irons are pretty sweet. They look like a true blade when looking down at them. And I'm a blade guy.

Speaking of which. I actually signed with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago. I really, really don't like switching clubs so this was not easy for me. However, I already carry 10 Cleveland irons so I thought this would be the easiest switch. I currently have the TA1 blade irons. And I carry 3 Cleveland wedges. I'll switch to the CG Tour irons. They're awesome looking. I'll gradually break in the wedges, but it might be a couple months before they join the bag.

I'm going to keep my putter, 8802, and 3 wood, Taylor Made retro spoon. Apparently I like clubs that are tough to hit...lol.

As for the driver, I'm going to switch to the new Cleveland Monster driver. It's a beast. It looks funny with the scooped out top, but damn does it go.

I'll be switching to the Srixon Z-Star X ball too. I've played a few times with it and I'm surprised that I like it so much. I thought this would be the hardest switch since I've also played Titleist. It's not a big deal at all.

I'm really excited about this upcoming year. I passed Level II two weeks ago and I'm almost done with Level III. I'm planning on becoming a member in May or June. Then, I can qualify for the CPC. I'd really like to play in that National Champ. and have a chance to qualify for the PGA.

I completely forgot about your TA1 irons. Gunmetal, right? That was Cleveland's best, true tour caliber iron made for the general public.

I have a FT9 on the way to me, and I'm not sure if I'm going to like it or not. It was Callaway's going away present, since I'm currently in Apprentice limbo, and my contract with them expired. Need to be working at a facility with a Callaway account in order to stay on their, staff, ya know?

I'll have to give my Cleveland contact a call and see if he can get me one of their Monsters. Any particular shaft you might recommend for that head?

One of my buddy's is trying to get me to switch to Bridgestone, but I just don't like any of their 330 models. So, I'll keep playing the various Callaway HX balls I have around the house.

Congrats on Level 2 and congrats on your upcoming membership! That's awesome! If you're ever up in CT and you need a loop, you know how to track me down!

Hell, you should come up here and qualify for the Travelers at TPC River Highland. If I can miss making it by 2 strokes, it's in the bag for you!

Highlifeman21
03-02-2009, 09:41 PM
Damn. You're high maintenance when it comes to critiquing players. Are you as hard on yourself as you are on these guys? I hope not. I think you'd hate the game. :p:

As Red has stated, you're being a little harsh on Ogilvy. The guy is damn good. Luck can only take you so far. He is legit.

Curtis is legit too. He struggled for a bit after the British, but he's won a few times since and played on the Ryder Cup team. No, he's not top 20 in the world, but not many are. He gets more out of his game than most on tour.

Hamilton was a fluke. I wouldn't include Ogilvy or Curtis with him. They've proven to be sustained good players.

I'm my biggest critic on the golf course. My own worst enemy, so to speak.

Shoot 70, tell you the shots I gave back so that it wasn't a 66. You know how that goes...

Red
03-02-2009, 10:31 PM
Anyone not named Tiger would have lost the top spot, by default as no one else would ever build the kind of lead that he had. While he didn't lose the top spot he did lose his insurmountable lead. The difference was 12 or so when Tiger left and is now less than 2. If world number 2 Sergio lost 10 points from his world golf ranking he wouldn't even be ranked. I think as far as the world rankings go, Tiger suffered quite the penalty.

I don't see why Tiger should lose the top spot because he didn't play. Where do you draw the line on someone not playing? A week? A month? Two months? 8 months? You are getting into too much confusion for what is a pretty fair process that is bereft of politics. You get penalized, big time for not playing. Taking that much time off is akin to playing the entire time and missing EVERY cut. Doing some quick figuring I estimated that Sergio would be ranked 24th in the world instead of 2nd if he had taken the same time off that Tiger did.

I dislike Tiger more than anyone I know but the freaking guy is so good that the normal rules don't apply to him. He takes 8 months off and doesn't drop a spot but if the guy behind him took off the same time he would have dropped 20 something spots. It is just amazing.

Would love to hear any other beefs you have with the rankings but the fact that Tiger is still number one isn't a good one IMO. The rankings are designed to nail a guy for not playing well, regardless of the reason, injury or whatever and they nailed Tiger big time. The only thing bigger was his lead.