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OnBaseMachine
03-04-2009, 01:02 AM
Reds pitching prospect Matt Klinker sent this email to RedlegNation:

“First day went great today. Passed my arm strength test (only took 30 minutes, compared to 3 hours last year), which is required to start throwing, threw a great bullpen, and knocked the two mile out in 13.35.

I haven’t seen it with my own two eyes yet, but seems like everyone was raving about Yorman Rodriguez yesterday. He apparently ran a 6.3 60-yard dash a few days ago and is dropping bombs in BP.”

http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/03/first-st-update/

That's nice to hear. This kid (along with Duran) is going to be fun to follow.

corkedbat
03-04-2009, 01:11 AM
With the young positions players and pitching staff shaping up, this team would really be loaded in three of four years if Rodriguez and Duran are for real

icehole3
03-04-2009, 05:12 AM
how old is Yorman?

JaxRed
03-04-2009, 08:04 AM
16.5

lollipopcurve
03-04-2009, 09:43 AM
knocked the two mile out in 13.35

Lot faster than I could do. But he'd lose by 3-4 minutes to my two kids.


everyone was raving about Yorman Rodriguez yesterday. He apparently ran a 6.3 60-yard dash a few days ago and is dropping bombs in BP

Tools. 6.3 is ridiculously fast. If he's got instincts in center (we've heard he's got a great arm), we're talking about an elite defensive prospect.

OnBaseMachine
03-04-2009, 07:14 PM
I'll just post this in here.

Bert Blyleven impressed with Juan Carlos Sulbaran.

I talked to friend and Twins pitching great and broadcaster Bert Blyleven, who is the pitching coach for the Netherlands World Baseball Classic team. The Dutch squad features Reds Minor League pitchers Alexander Smit and Juan Carlos Sulbaran -- both will benefit from working with Blyleven, who had one of the best curveballs ever and 3,701 career strikeouts.

"He's got a good arm, a live arm," Blyleven said about Sulbaran, a 30th round pick in last year's Draft. "He's young though. He's just 19."

Sulbaran also pitched for the Dutch National team in the 2008 Olympics.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

Superdude
03-04-2009, 07:19 PM
What's a good time for the 60?

OnBaseMachine
03-04-2009, 07:27 PM
What's a good time for the 60?

IIRC the world record is 5.99. A 6.3 60-yard dash is FAST. That probably makes Yorman one of top 3-5 fastest players in the minors. Maybe the fastest.

Mario-Rijo
03-04-2009, 07:40 PM
What's a good time for the 60?

A 6.3 60 yard dash is a tad bit more impressive than a 4.2 40 yard dash which is Joey Galloway, Deion Sanders fast.

jesusfan
03-05-2009, 12:06 AM
So would you compare Yorman to Carl Crawford maybe... Or Willy Taveras fast?? lol

NorrisHopper30
03-05-2009, 12:11 AM
Fast for a 16 year old. 6.3 60 are you kidding me?!

DannyB
03-05-2009, 09:06 AM
Where will he play this year?

bucksfan2
03-05-2009, 09:14 AM
IIRC the world record is 5.99. A 6.3 60-yard dash is FAST. That probably makes Yorman one of top 3-5 fastest players in the minors. Maybe the fastest.

I don't really think a 60 yard dash means much in baseball terms. Fast is fast but so much in baseball is quick reflexes, reaction time, jumps on the ball, etc. Ryan Freel was much faster than Jay Bruce but Bruce probably played better defensive center field than Freel. Fast helps but it is only one small thing in making a complete ball player.

princeton
03-05-2009, 09:55 AM
I don't really think a 60 yard dash means much in baseball terms.

batters box to second base is a 60 yard dash.

lollipopcurve
03-05-2009, 10:02 AM
batters box to second base is a 60 yard dash.

and 1st to 3rd, and 2nd to home

princeton
03-05-2009, 10:22 AM
and 1st to 3rd, and 2nd to home

it's so good that you're here

bucksfan2
03-05-2009, 10:26 AM
and 1st to 3rd, and 2nd to home

Yea but its not in a straight line and you aren't starting from a standing position. Going 1st to 3rd you need speed but you also need to get good read on the ball and a good jump. You need to be able to round the bases correctly. The secondary lead is very important in taking the extra base. This secondary lead has nothing to do with speed.

Barry Larkin was not the fastest Red that I have seen but he was by far the best baserunning Red I have ever seen.

lollipopcurve
03-05-2009, 10:28 AM
it's so good that you're here

thank you

lollipopcurve
03-05-2009, 10:37 AM
Yea but its not in a straight line and you aren't starting from a standing position. Going 1st to 3rd you need speed but you also need to get good read on the ball and a good jump. You need to be able to round the bases correctly. The secondary lead is very important in taking the extra base. This secondary lead has nothing to do with speed.

Barry Larkin was not the fastest Red that I have seen but he was by far the best baserunning Red I have ever seen.

of course, but straight line speed is still the most important variable in getting from A to B on the bases

OnBaseMachine
03-05-2009, 11:33 AM
So would you compare Yorman to Carl Crawford maybe... Or Willy Taveras fast?? lol

Yorman has been compared to the likes of Eric Davis, Cesar Cedeno, and Carlos Beltran. There's a good chance he'll never live up to his expectations, but if he reaches half his potential he'll be a great player. Baseball Prospectus describes him as a human tool shed. He's got plus power (some including BP describe it as plus-plus), plus-plus speed and a plus arm. Here's a quote from BP on Yorman:

"Potentially, there's nothing he can't do," said one scout.

dougdirt
03-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Where will he play this year?

GCL Reds as a 16/17 year old.

DannyB
03-05-2009, 09:36 PM
GCL Reds as a 16/17 year old.Thanks,sounds like a good road trip.

SoTxRedsFan
03-05-2009, 10:39 PM
So, has Yorman passed Duran in the prospect pecking order?

lollipopcurve
03-05-2009, 10:41 PM
So, has Yorman passed Duran in the prospect pecking order?

yes

OnBaseMachine
03-05-2009, 10:55 PM
So, has Yorman passed Duran in the prospect pecking order?

Only because Yorman is a center fielder. Duran projects to move from center to right field because of his size. Duran projects as the better hitter (his power is rated an 80 on the 20-80 scale) but Yorman is rated higher because of his combo of hitting skills and defensive skills at a premium position. Both are incredible talents and we're lucky to have both in the system.

Topcat
03-06-2009, 02:43 AM
Only because Yorman is a center fielder. Duran projects to move from center to right field because of his size. Duran projects as the better hitter (his power is rated an 80 on the 20-80 scale) but Yorman is rated higher because of his combo of hitting skills and defensive skills at a premium position. Both are incredible talents and we're lucky to have both in the system.

Total agreement on that !:beerme:

bellhead
03-06-2009, 10:05 AM
So Yorman is going to be in the GCL this year? How about Duran as it would be good to have them both there for emotional support for each other.

TRF
03-06-2009, 10:37 AM
Yea but its not in a straight line and you aren't starting from a standing position. Going 1st to 3rd you need speed but you also need to get good read on the ball and a good jump. You need to be able to round the bases correctly. The secondary lead is very important in taking the extra base. This secondary lead has nothing to do with speed.

Barry Larkin was not the fastest Red that I have seen but he was by far the best baserunning Red I have ever seen.

How was he at 16?

I love comparing 16 year olds to a future Hall of Famer.

bucksfan2
03-06-2009, 10:47 AM
How was he at 16?

I love comparing 16 year olds to a future Hall of Famer.

Not comparing a 16 year old to a future HOF. Just my dislike for straight line times. Base running is a skill you can develop. Raw speed helps, but having raw speed doesn't mean you are going to be a good base runner.

TRF
03-06-2009, 10:50 AM
Not comparing a 16 year old to a future HOF. Just my dislike for straight line times. Base running is a skill you can develop. Raw speed helps, but having raw speed doesn't mean you are going to be a good base runner.

Doesn't hurt.

Too often we tend to tear down guys as not being finished products. I'm certainly guilty of that in regards to Stubbs. Not saying that was your intent, just came off that way to me.

OnBaseMachine
03-06-2009, 11:19 AM
So Yorman is going to be in the GCL this year? How about Duran as it would be good to have them both there for emotional support for each other.

Duran and Yorman are both starting in the GCL according to the Reds.

medford
03-06-2009, 03:51 PM
Doesn't hurt.

Too often we tend to tear down guys as not being finished products. I'm certainly guilty of that in regards to Stubbs. Not saying that was your intent, just came off that way to me.

You don't say? :D

bellhead
03-06-2009, 07:18 PM
Duran and Yorman are both starting in the GCL according to the Reds.

Glad to see them there they are going to be pushed by players a little older than them but less physically gifted so it should even out. Hope they excel there and make life tough for the Reds to not move them to Billings this year. Hopefully a good year and they are in Dayton next year.

TRF
03-07-2009, 01:36 PM
You don't say? :D


In my defense, Stubbs is much older. but yeah, i beat that horse a little too often.

Steve4192
03-08-2009, 11:30 AM
of course, but straight line speed is still the most important variable in getting from A to B on the bases

I disagree.

I was always the fastest guy on my team (straight line speed) when I played ball, but I was never much more than an average baserunner because I am a long-strider and can't make as tight a turn rounding the bases as guys who take shorter strides. I was great running from home plate to first on a grounder or first to second while stealing a base, but was always middle of the pack in term of going from first to third, second to home, etc.

lollipopcurve
03-08-2009, 12:16 PM
I was always the fastest guy on my team (straight line speed) when I played ball, but I was never much more than an average baserunner because I am a long-strider and can't make as tight a turn rounding the bases as guys who take shorter strides. I was great running from home plate to first on a grounder or first to second while stealing a base, but was always middle of the pack in term of going from first to third, second to home, etc.

Fair point. Were you coached to take your turns over a greater distance -- i.e., start wider, sooner? Technique should be able to compensate somewhat for stride length.

stock
03-08-2009, 01:36 PM
Good point lollipop. We have a fast long strided runner on our team and I don't see a noticeable difference running home to 2nd. Technique may be more important for him but every player should make the banana turn every time if there will be no play at 1B. I can understand having to take somewhat of a shorter stride when you tag 1B but not otherwise.

The point that was trying to be made was Yorman is very fast. That gives him an advantage. Back in 1975 and 1976 Ken Griffey stole 30 bags to Morgan's 60 even though Griffey was much faster than Morgan. Morgan was able to double Sr. output because he knew the pitchers and had great technique. In spite of Griffey's poor technique and knowledge he finished with more SB than Rose or other Reds because of his raw speed. It was a huge advantage for him. It will be a huge advantage for Yorman also. Even though he couldn't bunt like Taveras and Hopper, Sr. had 30+ infield hits in his early years. His speed put him on base 20+ times a year when others would have been walking back to the dugout. I never saw any stats on it but I bet his speed created more hurried throws that went for errors. His speed forced infielders to make gambles which lead to more fielding errors.

The point is speed creates base runners. Speed advances base runners. Joe Morgan was proof that although speed is important it is only a piece of the pie. Just a guess because I have never seen him play but I bet Yorman has not just the speed but the instincts, technique and knowledge. Just a guess but I think he probably spends more time on the ball fields than US players have by the time they reach 16.

On defense, I understand that getting a huge jump is important. I have no idea what kind of jump Yorman gets on the ball. However, if he gets good jumps on the ball with his arm and speed you have a potential gold glove CF.

tbball10
03-09-2009, 05:18 AM
Just rolled in from Spring Training a couple hours ago.. I got to see Yorman and Duran hit batting practice, and both were impressive. Yorman didnt hit any out, but made some solid contact. Duran hits absolute bombs. His swing is easy (but a little long IMO) and the ball just jumps off it. If I had to guess, I would say he hit a few over 450 feet. His 80 rating for power is LEGIT!!

The other prospects we saw:
Frazier: looked good in BP. The ball carried on his hits further than I thought they would when he made contact. He did break his bat (which he gave to us after BP) on his first swing of BP.. Struck out in both AB's in Saturday's game vs. Toronto

Francisco: Replaced Frazier on Saturday. Looked awful at the plate (0-2, 2 K's) as he swung at several pitches out of the zone. Didnt look good in the field either.

Stubbs: K'd on 3 pitches on Saturday. But worked a full-count walk on Sunday. Popped to RF in 2nd AB on Sunday.

Valaika: ripped an RBI single to right center in first AB Sunday. drilled a line drive to the track that was ran down in his 2nd AB (He couldn't believe the LF caught it). Also made a nice backhanded-diving play (playing 2B) and throw from his knees that the runner just beat out

Mesoraco: ripped a single to left center in his first AB and bounced to SS in his 2nd. looked good in both AB's, and has good speed.. FYI, he is not fat, contrary to reports last season

If you get a chance to go to ST this year, go check out the back fields to see these guys play. It's definitely worth it!

*Also, we saw Cordero do PFP on Friday and he couldn't even walk without a limp. Then he pitched bad on Sunday. He is a major concern IMO.

dougdirt
03-09-2009, 02:57 PM
thanks for the reports!

Sucks to hear about Cordero though. That is a major question mark. Good stuff with Yorman Rodriguez and Juan Duran.

JaxRed
03-09-2009, 05:46 PM
tball I will be down there watching minor league practice on Sat morning.

Redhook
03-09-2009, 09:28 PM
Where will he play this year?

CF and RF. At the same time. He's that fast. Seriously. :p:

medford
03-10-2009, 02:36 PM
CF and RF. At the same time. He's that fast. Seriously. :p:

Jim Coombs called to tell you to wake him up when he can start playing all 3 outfield spots at the same time.:D

GoReds33
03-10-2009, 09:59 PM
That has to be one of the fastest 60's of all time. I just cannot wait until he and Duran are in Dayton, and I can go see them. I am almost to the date, the same age as Yorman, and I run an 8.1. Running a 6.3 would be amazing.

M2
03-13-2009, 10:37 AM
That has to be one of the fastest 60's of all time. I just cannot wait until he and Duran are in Dayton, and I can go see them. I am almost to the date, the same age as Yorman, and I run an 8.1. Running a 6.3 would be amazing.

It's extremely fast, especially for a kid his age. Yet the world record is 6.0 and you'd need to run it around 6.1 to have world class speed. In a short distance like that .1 seconds is an eternity.

And 8.1 over 60 yards? You in a walker?

GoReds33
03-13-2009, 11:04 AM
It's extremely fast, especially for a kid his age. Yet the world record is 6.0 and you'd need to run it around 6.1 to have world class speed. In a short distance like that .1 seconds is an eternity.

And 8.1 over 60 yards? You in a walker?
It was muddy, but I am slow.:)

klw
03-13-2009, 04:21 PM
What's a good time?
http://speedendurance.com/2009/01/21/baseball-60-yard-dash-whats-a-good-time/

A comparison
http://teamonebaseball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=503354

An explanation of the test.
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/sprint-60yards.htm

Indoor world records
55 meters -- Obadele Thompson, Barbados, 5.99, Feb. 22, 1997.
60 yards (54.864 meters) -- Lee McRae, United States, 6.00, March 14, 1986.

But he isn't Herb Washington fast.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_is_the_world's_fastest_runner_in_the_60-yard_dash