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Handofdeath
03-05-2009, 02:43 PM
For the fourth year in a row, Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer has a new backup.

Much-traveled veteran J.T. O'Sullivan, who started eight games for the San Francisco 49ers in 2008, has reached agreement on a two-year contract. Financial details of the deal were not yet available.

O'Sullivan, 29, should be a good fit for the Cincinnati offense and, given Palmer's injury history, he could get some playing time for the Bengals.

A seven-year veteran, O'Sullivan began his NFL career in New Orleans, where he was a sixth-round pick in 2002. He was traded by the Saints to the Green Bay Packers in 2004 and has also played for the Chicago Bears, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers, Detroit Lions and 49ers. The Bengals will be O'Sullivan's ninth team in eight years in the league.
J.T. O'Sullivan highlights

Last season represented the most extended playing time that O'Sullivan, a favorite of then-offensive coordinator Mike Martz, has ever received. He played in nine games, with eight starts, and completed 128-of-220 passes for 1,618 yards with eight touchdown passes and 11 interceptions.

Before last season, O'Sullivan had never started a game and had played in only five contests. For his career, O'Sullivan has completed 141-of-246 passes for 1,826 yards, with nine touchdowns and 13 interceptions. The former Cal-Davis standout also played in NFL Europe in 2004.

Palmer is coming off a right elbow injury, which did not require surgery but limited him to four games, all starts, in 2008. His backup last season, Ryan Fitzpatrick, signed a three-year deal with the Buffalo Bills last week as a free agent. In 2006, Palmer's backup was Anthony Wright. Doug Johnson, was the No. 2 quarterback in 2007.

camisadelgolf
03-05-2009, 03:54 PM
Well, this is better than breaking the bank for someone like Grossman.

Red
03-05-2009, 04:49 PM
I'm a 49er fan. JT O'Sullivan is the worst player I have ever seen in NFL history

/not kdding

I think he fumbled like 9 times a game last season to go with his 4 picks per outing.

Now obviously signings like this are irrelevant because if Palmer goes down, the Bengals are going down. So as the poster before mentioned, better than overpaying for a back-up like Grossman when you can sign a guy like O'Sullivan who you can claim in the media guide, is a QB. I just hope he is better at signing in the plays because otherwise expect runs by the fullback up the gut on 3rd and 14. The guy literally can't do anything right.

I'm not sure how you do it but the more I watched JT last season the more I wondered if the Niners wouldn't be better off playing without a QB. The guy is an absolute turnover machine. And it wasn't the rest of the teams fault. They won a bunch of games with Shaun Hill as the QB. Had the move to Hill been made earlier the Niners would of had a GREAT shot of keeping the Arizona Cardinals out of the play-offs altogether.

Red
03-05-2009, 04:56 PM
Couldn't find the individual numbers but the 49ers did lead the league in fumbles last season thanks to O'Sullivan.

I was also reminded when looking at his stats that there is something else to look forward to when JT doesn't throw a pick or fumble. He also gets sacked as much as Jenna Jameson. He got tackled for a loss 32 times last season. With the same line and 68 more pass attempts, Hill got sacked 10 times less.

Handofdeath
03-05-2009, 05:30 PM
Couldn't find the individual numbers but the 49ers did lead the league in fumbles last season thanks to O'Sullivan.

I was also reminded when looking at his stats that there is something else to look forward to when JT doesn't throw a pick or fumble. He also gets sacked as much as Jenna Jameson. He got tackled for a loss 32 times last season. With the same line and 68 more pass attempts, Hill got sacked 10 times less.

The guy has started a little less than a dozen games in his career. You're being a little harsh don't you think?

Matt700wlw
03-05-2009, 06:06 PM
He at least has an arm....something Fitzpatrick lacked.

Playadlc
03-05-2009, 06:11 PM
Good signing. O'Sullivan averaged a solid 7.1 yards per throw last season. Fitzpatrick averaged an atrocious 5.1. We upgraded this position for sure, IMO.

Red
03-05-2009, 09:08 PM
Good signing. O'Sullivan averaged a solid 7.1 yards per throw last season. Fitzpatrick averaged an atrocious 5.1. We upgraded this position for sure, IMO.

Those couple of extra yards will come in handy considering that for every 2.5 completions he gets sacked, fumbles or throws a pick.

I saw it over and over. Niners get the ball on the 20. Pass one for 7.1 yards. Pass two for 7.1 yards. First down niners at the 34.2 yard line. Alright, JT is coming around, here we go. Next time he drops back to pass, the best they could hope for was a sack for about a loss of 11. 2nd and 21 from the 23. Two more passes of 7.1 yards and it was time to punt. That of course was if they were lucky enough to avoid one of his INTs or fumbles.


The guy has started a little less than a dozen games in his career. You're being a little harsh don't you think?

You do realize the guy is pushing 30 right? There is a reason he has started less than a dozen games in his career. He isn't 21 or 22.

WMR
03-05-2009, 11:25 PM
If Carson's not on the field we're screwed anyway... might as well avoid sinking a bunch of cash in a backup.

Playadlc
03-05-2009, 11:36 PM
Red, no one here is trying to say O'Sullivan is John freakin' Elway. We all understand O'Sullivan has turnover problems. My only point is that O'Sullivan is an upgrade over noodle arm Fitzpatrick.

Matt700wlw
03-05-2009, 11:40 PM
JT O'Sullivan's sounds like a killer place to celebrate St. Patrick's Day :beerme:

Red
03-06-2009, 12:26 AM
My only point is that O'Sullivan is an upgrade over noodle arm Fitzpatrick.

My only point is that a trainwreck that kills 21 really is no better than a trainwreck that kills 22.

In all seriousness I can't argue for one or the other as I don't know Fitzpatrick. Unless your name is Steve Sabol I can't imagine you really have seen that much of O'Sullivan and I know for a fact what you did see, if you saw it, wasn't pretty.

BuckeyeRedleg
03-06-2009, 12:47 AM
Decent pick up. The Bengals continue to plug holes efficiently.

They actually seem to know what they are doing (for once).

Red
03-07-2009, 10:07 AM
How is it a decent pick-up to sign a guy who has shown nothing but the ability to lose games all by his lonesome? And how does signing a guy who is all but guaranteed to lose you the game if you put him in, plugging a hole, efficiently?

This seems to be a case of, we signed him, he must be good.

WVRed
03-07-2009, 12:37 PM
I'm hoping we invest a second day pick into a QB to develop, and hopefully not a Jeff Rowe or Reggie McNeal.

Pat White, Graham Harrell, Hunter Cantwell, or Rhett Bomar could be options.

Patrick Bateman
03-07-2009, 12:39 PM
How is it a decent pick-up to sign a guy who has shown nothing but the ability to lose games all by his lonesome? And how does signing a guy who is all but guaranteed to lose you the game if you put him in, plugging a hole, efficiently?

This seems to be a case of, we signed him, he must be good.


Not only is that an agenda driven post, but it's just flat wrong.

You're talking to Bengals fans. We naturally assume that any signing the Bengals make is 100% the wrong move. The management has done nothing ti illicit that type of response from Bengals fans. That type of reaction would be more likely found around patriotszone.com

Anyways, we're talking about a back-up quarterback. The alternatives were the likes of Leftwich, Grossman, and Losman, a trio that could also be known for finding ways to lose games. O'Sullivan is a turn over machine, but he at least moves the ball down the field at the same time. He's basically a better armed version of Fitzpatrick (a turnover machine in his own right), which does equate to an upgrade. Any free agent QB signed on as a back-up is going to have his fair share of problems. The moment Carson Palmer goes down likely means the end of the Bengals season regardless of who comes in to relieve him, as such, if there's a place to be thrifty, it's the back-up QB position.

WMR
03-07-2009, 12:47 PM
Nice post, AK.

Perfectly stated.

Red
03-07-2009, 10:00 PM
You're talking to Bengals fans. We naturally assume that any signing the Bengals make is 100% the wrong move. The management has done nothing ti illicit that type of response from Bengals fans. That type of reaction would be more likely found around patriotszone.com


Looking over the Bengals offseason thread there seems to be plenty of support for some of the moves. You said 100% of the time people think it is the wrong move. That is obviously not true. If it was we wouldn't be having this discussion as I wouldn't be scratching my head over why people are calling this a good move.

I undersand it is a "good move" to not spend big money on a back-up for Palmer. I just can't see how anyone has the evidence to support the statement that a guy who threw 11 picks, fumbled 11 times and got sacked 32 times (most of which were his own fault for hanging onto the ball for 8 seconds) in half a year of football is an upgrade over anyone? My biggest question is how much of O'Sullivan have the people calling him an "upgrade" actually seen him play? For some reason nobody has answered that one.

OesterPoster
03-08-2009, 12:05 AM
Looking over the Bengals offseason thread there seems to be plenty of support for some of the moves. You said 100% of the time people think it is the wrong move. That is obviously not true. If it was we wouldn't be having this discussion as I wouldn't be scratching my head over why people are calling this a good move.

I undersand it is a "good move" to not spend big money on a back-up for Palmer. I just can't see how anyone has the evidence to support the statement that a guy who threw 11 picks, fumbled 11 times and got sacked 32 times (most of which were his own fault for hanging onto the ball for 8 seconds) in half a year of football is an upgrade over anyone? My biggest question is how much of O'Sullivan have the people calling him an "upgrade" actually seen him play? For some reason nobody has answered that one.

Maybe if you'd state your opinion in a more calmly manner, we'd look at the signing differently. But you've come into this thread spouting how you know everything about JT and being an NFL quarterback. Maybe it's just my perception, but it seems like you have an axe to grind.

Red
03-08-2009, 01:02 AM
Maybe if you'd state your opinion in a more calmly manner, we'd look at the signing differently. But you've come into this thread spouting how you know everything about JT and being an NFL quarterback. Maybe it's just my perception, but it seems like you have an axe to grind.

1. Considering the player in discussion ruined the 49ers season, I'm as calm as I am going to be. If there is some level of calmness required when speaking to whoever "we" is, let me know and I will try harder next time. Perhaps I could get a lesson from some of the Jerry Narron haters on the board. I'm sure they'd be quite calm if Jerry was hired to coach somewhere and then heard others saying it was a great move.

2. If your opinion is changing on the signing based on my lack of calmness, as you put it, I would say it is you who has an agenda. I gave my opinion on O'Sullivan. All I've heard since is opinions on me.

3. I have not come into this thread spouting that I know everything about J.T. I gave my opinion on his performance last season, nothing more, nothing less. I never said anything about his background, his mental make-up, his mechanics, his anything. Just his performance, which sucked.

4. This is the one that gets me the most, I never said one thing, not even close that should lead anyone to accuse me of spouting off about knowing everything about being a QB. I haven't suggested I know one thing, let alone everything. Why would you make that accusation? I haven't said anything about any QB other than O'Sullivan or said anything about what it takes to play the position. All I've said is that O'Sullivan can't play it.

5. What kind of axe do I have to grind? The guy in question QB'd my favorite team. He stunk up the joint and now he plays for the Bengals. Seeing people refer to the signing as anything other than ho hum, shocks me. IMO people are saying stuff about O'Sullivan based on nothing, other than the fact that he is now a Bengal. I've asked a couple of times for some explanation on what people have seen from him to make them say it. Still nothing. Just attacks against me. For saying a guy released by the 49ers sucks. I have no axe to grind. You tell me the sky is brown and I think it is blue, asking you to explain why you think it is brown is not me grinding an axe, its asking you because I want to know what you see that I don't. When it comes to O'Sullivan I don't think people have seen him at all. And nobody wants to prove me wrong on that. Not sure why people are defending someone they have never seen play while the only person (it appears) in this discussion who has seen him play is spending his time defending himself.

joshnky
03-08-2009, 10:03 AM
1. Considering the player in discussion ruined the 49ers season, I'm as calm as I am going to be. If there is some level of calmness required when speaking to whoever "we" is, let me know and I will try harder next time. Perhaps I could get a lesson from some of the Jerry Narron haters on the board. I'm sure they'd be quite calm if Jerry was hired to coach somewhere and then heard others saying it was a great move.

As a 49ers fan why do you care who the Bengals sign as their BACKUP QB? You may be right that he is an awful starting QB which is why the Bengals didn't sign him to start. They signed him to backup a franchise QB. You kind of have to take what you can get in this situation because decent QBs don't want to come in and backup a player of Palmer's caliber.

On another note, the issues the 49ers had with him (sacks, fumbles) remind of John Kitna who played decent for the Bengals when they got him some protection.

Red
03-08-2009, 01:09 PM
Like I said, if some player ruined your season and then signed with another team only to be greeted with joy, you'd have something to say too. All of you would.

Not sure why you see this is a Kitna situation. With the same line and the same everything else, the Niners went to Shaun Hill and saw less sacks, picks, fumbles and more wins. What they needed more than anything was a better QB.

Why do I care? I really don't. I just don't understand why so many people are disagreeing with me. None of you have seen O'Sullivan play and have nothing to go on. Your approval of this move has nothing to do with anything other than the team he signed with. If the Browns signed O'Sullivan and someone started a thread on it, none of you Bengal fans would be here defending the signing or arguing with my take.

If this move was no big deal, just take what you can get, the season is over anyways if we have to play him, why is there a thread on the subject?

Eric_the_Red
03-09-2009, 11:38 AM
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Red
03-09-2009, 01:06 PM
http://www.changetowin.org/connect/WindowsLiveWriter/TheJerkStoreCalled_9F9D/castanza7.jpg

Not sure why there is such issue talking about J.T. O'Sullivan in a thread about J.T O'Sullivan.