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WMR
03-14-2009, 11:39 PM
Go Cats! :D

dabvu2498
03-14-2009, 11:57 PM
Didn't feel like subtitling this one The NIT Thread?" :)

WMR
03-15-2009, 12:17 AM
Didn't feel like subtitling this one The NIT Thread?" :)

:rolleyes:

7 National Championships would've provided a better picture of Kentucky basketball.

dabvu2498
03-15-2009, 12:24 AM
:rolleyes: 7 National Championships would've provided a better picture of Kentucky basketball. I meant I was guessing we could do 1000 posts on their nit run. But since you are feeling sensitive... Irony -- Billy saying he was married once and the honeymoon didn't last long.

WMR
03-15-2009, 12:26 AM
I meant I was guessing we could do 1000 posts on their nit run. But since you are feeling sensitive... Irony -- Billy saying he was married once and the honeymoon didn't last long.

:D

Javy Pornstache
03-15-2009, 01:22 AM
Battle of the Wildcats on Tuesday night! Kentucky-Davidson is the word on one of the matchups ESPN prefers for the NIT. Every game could be Gillispie's last from here on out, according to what I'm hearing.

WVRed
03-15-2009, 07:26 AM
Battle of the Wildcats on Tuesday night! Kentucky-Davidson is the word on one of the matchups ESPN prefers for the NIT. Every game could be Gillispie's last from here on out, according to what I'm hearing.

I really hope you are wrong.

macro
03-15-2009, 08:51 AM
Battle of the Wildcats on Tuesday night! Kentucky-Davidson is the word on one of the matchups ESPN prefers for the NIT. Every game could be Gillispie's last from here on out, according to what I'm hearing.

Do those saying that, suggest that a replacement is already (perhaps secretly) lined up, or that they'd let him go and then hope for the best?

dabvu2498
03-15-2009, 09:40 AM
I am not swearing by this, but I believe the nit rules say those automatic qualifiers (teams that won the regular season conference but not the tourney) are guaranteed a home game. So that would eliminate a Davidson@UK 1st round game. I am not 100% sure on that though.

jmac
03-15-2009, 11:07 AM
Battle of the Wildcats on Tuesday night! Kentucky-Davidson is the word on one of the matchups ESPN prefers for the NIT. Every game could be Gillispie's last from here on out, according to what I'm hearing.

If what you are hearing is correct, Bilas and Vitale will have a field day bashing UK again.

Chip R
03-15-2009, 11:13 AM
If what you are hearing is correct, Bilas and Vitale will have a field day bashing UK again.


As well they should.

WMR
03-15-2009, 12:08 PM
Billy Gillispie's not going anywhere.

dabvu2498
03-15-2009, 12:40 PM
Billy Gillispie's not going anywhere. Sure he is... the NIT! :) Seriously, though, I am at the point that I do not care. I thought he wasn't the best hire they could have made and he has not done alot to change my mind, but I respect the profession enough to think any coach needs more than 2 years to succeed or fail on his own merits. I just want the entire situation resolved asap.

WMR
03-15-2009, 12:48 PM
Yeah too bad they didn't get Billy Donovan. He'd never go to the NIT once much less in back to back seasons. Wait a second.

dabvu2498
03-15-2009, 01:06 PM
Yeah too bad they didn't get Billy Donovan. He'd never go to the NIT once much less in back to back seasons. Wait a second. Who said anything about Donovan? It was pretty clear he didn't want to go to UK anyway. Besides, most of us would take back to back nit bids if they were attached to back to back rings. Especially if the program was the cesspool UF was when he got there.

joshnky
03-15-2009, 03:29 PM
Yeah too bad they didn't get Billy Donovan. He'd never go to the NIT once much less in back to back seasons. Wait a second.

I know and back-to-back championships is nothing. BillyG has been to countless championships... in the stands.

Javy Pornstache
03-15-2009, 04:35 PM
Do those saying that, suggest that a replacement is already (perhaps secretly) lined up, or that they'd let him go and then hope for the best?

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, but there's a lot of fire to all the smoke on Gillispie. Barnhart's got a lot of heat on him right now too. Regarding your question, Macro, I personally don't believe that a replacement is already decided and signed, sealed and delivered, but there are some who believe he is, that was the word going around the SEC Tournament. I do know that if Gillispie's gone, they won't be making another gamble, so it won't be Pelphrey or Horn or Ford or anyone like that that's been named (though I've heard Ford's stock has gone up in UK circles recently... he might get an interview but I'm not sure he'd be the guy)... if they have to throw a ton of cash Alabama football-style, they will. Barnhart can't afford to make a risky hire. He's got too much heat for not doing due diligence of Gillispie last time.



If this comes to fruition, of course. :D

WVRed
03-15-2009, 05:29 PM
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, but there's a lot of fire to all the smoke on Gillispie. Barnhart's got a lot of heat on him right now too. Regarding your question, Macro, I personally don't believe that a replacement is already decided and signed, sealed and delivered, but there are some who believe he is, that was the word going around the SEC Tournament. I do know that if Gillispie's gone, they won't be making another gamble, so it won't be Pelphrey or Horn or Ford or anyone like that that's been named (though I've heard Ford's stock has gone up in UK circles recently... he might get an interview but I'm not sure he'd be the guy)... if they have to throw a ton of cash Alabama football-style, they will. Barnhart can't afford to make a risky hire. He's got too much heat for not doing due diligence of Gillispie last time.



If this comes to fruition, of course. :D

If Gillispie leaves, it will be on his own free will. I don't think Barnhardt could put his job security on the line to hire another coach.

Here is an article from the Herald Leader that has some quotes of what the players think of Gillispie:


TAMPA, Fla. — When a reporter noted that turnovers and rebounding once again plagued Kentucky in its loss to Louisiana State on Friday, guard Michael Porter had a telling response.

"You're telling me," he said.

Yes, Kentucky had trouble holding on to the ball and retrieving missed shots all season. That was beyond obvious long before the Southeastern Conference Tournament.

To his credit, Porter did not dodge personal responsibility as starting point guard.

"I've definitely been a big part of that problem," he volunteered in UK's post-game locker room.

That raised a pertinent question: Shouldn't the coach have ironed out these problems? Or did Billy Gillispie lack the tools to fix what ailed the Cats?

With Gillispie's job security the topic of intense speculation, the players defended the coach.

"Fans think that they can coach," big man Patrick Patterson said. "Come on down and try.

"Coach knows what he's talking about. He knows the most about basketball. He knows what he's doing."

Porter put the responsibility on the players, most of whom Gillispie inherited when Kentucky hired him in 2007 and charged him with replenishing the roster.

"He was put in a hard situation," Porter said. "I think coach has done a great job, as good a job as he possibly could have done.

"I think it's on us. It hasn't been his fault. He told us everything we need to do to win. It's been about us executing and playing as hard as we can."

The necessary effort was not always there, Porter said. And the Cats had to win with maximum effort because the available talent was not sufficient. In popular parlance, to win "ugly" via grit and determination.

As Gillispie said after the loss to LSU here, "one team looked like they had six of the top seven guys that were seniors or four-year guys, and one team looked like they didn't have any seniors that played."

The former was LSU, the latter Kentucky. Effort was supposed to close that gap.

"We know, if we played as hard as we did the last couple days, we'd be in a different situation," Porter said. "And I think that pretty much started around the Ole Miss game."

Porter meant the game at Mississippi on Jan. 27. The Cats went to Oxford at 5-0 in the SEC, the league's only unbeaten team. They had beaten No. 24 Tennessee (UK's only victory over a ranked team this season) and Auburn (which only looks better with the passage of time).

Then Ole Miss whipped Kentucky to start a downward spiral that included nine losses in the next 13 games.

Not that Kentucky got steamrolled. The Cats lost to South Carolina on Devan Downey's buzzer-beater, to LSU on Tasmin Mitchell's jumper inside the final 10 seconds.

"We lost some games we definitely shouldn't have lost," Porter said. "That always make it hard."

When asked about the team leadership, Patterson said the Cats lacked that "one true leader" who can make a difference in close games or clutch situations.

"We relied on someone else to step up rather than one person saying, 'I'll be the leader. Get behind me,' " Patterson said. "... We had Ramel (Bradley) do that last year. We could depend on Ramel whenever we needed a basket. When something went wrong, Ramel stepped up."

Something went wrong last season when Patterson injured an ankle and missed the final four games.

Gillispie practically turned over the team to Bradley and fellow senior Joe Crawford. The pair were experienced enough and good enough to make plays and score baskets when most needed.

Bradley and Crawford consistently took the ball and made something good happen.

That seems like a distant memory a year later.

"It has been a little bit of a roller coaster," Porter said of Kentucky's season. "We thought we were rolling good at one point. Then there was a down as low as we can go."

Blimpie
03-15-2009, 09:17 PM
Well folks, it looks like it will be UNLV.... Tuesday night-be there or be square.

http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031509aab.html

WMR
03-15-2009, 09:20 PM
I know and back-to-back championships is nothing. BillyG has been to countless championships... in the stands.

You missed my point. The point is that all coaches struggle at one point or another.

Didn't Pitino lead Louisville to the NIT in consecutive years his first two seasons on the job?

Blimpie
03-15-2009, 09:22 PM
Tickets are already going fast... get them before they are gone:


2009 NIT Ticket Information
Parking Information | Memorial Coliseum Info | Schedule | NIT Central

Kentucky has been selected to host the 1st Round of the 2009 N.I.T. at Memorial Coliseum on the University of Kentucky campus. The #4 seed Wildcats will play UNLV on Tuesday, March 17 at 9:30pm EDT. Doors will open at 7:30 pm. With Rupp Arena hosting the KHSAA Boys Sweet 16 Tournament, the Wildcats will play at Memorial Coliseum for the first time since 1976.

Purchase NIT Tickets Now!
All public tickets for the first round at Memorial Coliseum are $33 each. Everyone must have ticket, regardless of age. Tickets will be sold first-come, first-serve.

Beginning late Sunday evening, March 16, tickets are available by ordering online at Ticketmaster.com
calling Ticketmaster at (800) 745-3000
Beginning Monday morning, March 17, tickets are also available by

calling the UK Ticket Office at (800) 928-2287 or (859) 257-1818, 8am-6pm
ordering in person at the UK Ticket Office in the Joe Craft Center, 8am-6pm
visiting statewide Ticketmaster outlets (i.e. Kroger, etc.)
UK Student Tickets
Student tickets ($5 each) are available for full-time UK students and BCTC students who have paid their athletics fee for the spring semester. Student tickets will be sold first-come, first-serve at the Joe Craft Center Ticket Office beginning Monday, March 17 at 8:00 am, and there is a limit of 1 ticket per valid student ID. Students must present their student ID and ticket to be admitted to the game.


Memorial Coliseum Set Up
The west side of Memorial Coliseum features chairback seating (Sections A-J and AA-JJ). With the exception of rows 3-6, the east side of Memorial Coliseum features bleacher seating (Sections R-Z and RR-ZZ). Seating capacity for Memorial Coliseum is approximately 7,500.

Will Call Information
All tickets not purchased in person will be held at Will Call. On game-night, Will Call will open at 6:00 pm at the front ticket windows of Memorial Coliseum on Euclid/Avenue of Champions. To pick up your tickets in advance of game-night, please visit the Joe Craft Center Ticket Office behind Memorial Coliseum. You must have a photo ID to pick up your tickets , and they will only be released to the proper name on the ticket account.

UK Ticket Office Hours
Monday, March 17: 8:00 am - 6:00 pm **Will Call tickets available for pick-up beginning at noon
Tuesday, March 18: 8:00 am - end of game **Will Call tickets move to front of Coliseum at 5:30 pm
Note: All NIT ticket SALES (including sales on game-night) will be at the Joe Craft Center ticket office, off Lexington Avenue across from Wildcat Lodge. There will be no ticket sales at the front windows of Memorial Coliseum.

NIT Potential Dates
2nd Round - March 19, 20, 21, 23*
*could be played at Rupp Arena

Quarterfinals - March 24*, 25*
*could be played at Rupp Arena

Semifinals - March 31 - Madison Square Garden

Championship - April 2 - Madison Square Garden

Questions?
For complete NIT ticket information, please contact the UK Ticket Office at (800) 928-2287 or (859) 257-1818.

WVRed
03-15-2009, 09:37 PM
Well folks, it looks like it will be UNLV.... Tuesday night-be there or be square.

http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031509aab.html

Assuming Kentucky gets past UNLV, they will be traveling to Creighton for the second round. That will likely be where the season ends, as Creighton rarely ever loses at home and will likely pack the house to see Kentucky.

dabvu2498
03-15-2009, 09:59 PM
Assuming Kentucky gets past UNLV, they will be traveling to Creighton for the second round. That will likely be where the season ends, as Creighton rarely ever loses at home and will likely pack the house to see Kentucky. Plus they are pretty darn good. Anyway, I am exci... errr... not really. I will be at the Morehead game anyway.

guttle11
03-15-2009, 10:11 PM
Assuming Kentucky gets past UNLV, they will be traveling to Creighton for the second round. That will likely be where the season ends, as Creighton rarely ever loses at home and will likely pack the house to see Kentucky.

Booker Woodfox is a beast.

WVRed
03-15-2009, 10:38 PM
I do know that if Gillispie's gone, they won't be making another gamble, so it won't be Pelphrey or Horn or Ford or anyone like that that's been named (though I've heard Ford's stock has gone up in UK circles recently... he might get an interview but I'm not sure he'd be the guy)...

I am curious on the Travis Ford issue since people are so nitpicky when it comes to Gillispie's handling of the press. I wonder how the same people would feel about Ford's expletive tirades at Okie State, noticeably calling one player an idiot with a certain word before that.

WMR
03-15-2009, 10:40 PM
If he won they'd love him for it just like they'll be loving Gillispie this time next season when UK is ranked in the top ten.

dabvu2498
03-15-2009, 10:50 PM
If he won they'd love him for it just like they'll be loving Gillispie this time next season when UK is ranked in the top ten. Oh! That is a good one! I am writing that one down. By the way, some of my peeps say Ford is not all that enthused by the notion of coaching at UK. I love being an "insider." :)

TeamSelig
03-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Screw it lets just persuade Huggins to come to UK ;)

macro
03-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Yeah too bad they didn't get Billy Donovan. He'd never go to the NIT once much less in back to back seasons. Wait a second.

Any chance he'd be willing to listen to UK after those two straight NIT appearances? I've thought all along that he is the perfect fit for the UK job.

WMR
03-16-2009, 01:22 AM
Any chance he'd be willing to listen to UK after those two straight NIT appearances? I've thought all along that he is the perfect fit for the UK job.

Why would anyone want to come work for a University that got rid of their coach after only 2 seasons?

I don't think folks--not you in particular, Mac--fully appreciate how disastrous it would be for our program if Billy were to leave or get fired after only 2 years on the job both in attracting top-notch coaching candidates and UK's reputation with recruits nationwide.

macro
03-16-2009, 01:34 AM
Why would anyone want to come work for a University that got rid of their coach after only 2 seasons?

I don't think folks--not you in particular, Mac--fully appreciate how disastrous it would be for our program if Billy were to leave or get fired after only 2 years on the job both in attracting top-notch coaching candidates and UK's reputation with recruits nationwide.

You're right, and I do know that. The only way I'd let BG go would now be to have a secret handshake deal lined up with his successor. I certainly wouldn't fire him and go out on a cold search at this point. As you said, the reception might be bitter cold out there.

WVRed
03-16-2009, 08:50 AM
You're right, and I do know that. The only way I'd let BG go would now be to have a secret handshake deal lined up with his successor. I certainly wouldn't fire him and go out on a cold search at this point. As you said, the reception might be bitter cold out there.

That takes care of the coaching problem, but you still have recruits to deal with. Even if we woke up the day after our NIT life ends and its all over ESPN that Kentucky has a deal in place with Jamie Dixon, Jeff Capel, whoever and Gillispie is on his way out, it is still going to be disastrous keeping recruits in check.

Scrap Irony
03-16-2009, 09:43 AM
Unless you get another name coach to succeed him. Think of it this way: John Calipari agrees, after contacting Atheltic Director Barhardt, to a 10-year, $50 million contract. (Plus shoe, television, and radio boosters.) (Why? I don't know. Perhaps he wants to be on the biggest stage in college basketball. Perhaps he's tired of winning 30 games a year and being considered a second tier program. Perhaps he knows he probably won't win a NCAA championship without the perfect storm of talent, luck, and overall mediocrity that was present two years ago and that Memphis needs more luck than others. Perhaps he likes horses and wants to become a Kentucky Derby media darling, complete with mint julep, cool straw hat, and seer sucker linen suit on the first Saturday of May. Regardless, assume the interest.)

Think Hood wouldn't be interested? Sure he would. So would Wall, BTW. As would others.

Recruiting is about the coach, sure. But it's also about the school. And Kentucky has gotten (and lost) many, many recruits simply because of the perception and reality of the university itself.

dabvu2498
03-16-2009, 03:54 PM
Fact or fiction: there was no bracket printed in today's Lexington Herald-Leader?

BRM
03-16-2009, 04:05 PM
Fact or fiction: there was no bracket printed in today's Lexington Herald-Leader?

Not even an NIT bracket?

cumberlandreds
03-17-2009, 07:36 AM
Fact or fiction: there was no bracket printed in today's Lexington Herald-Leader?

Both NIT and NCAA were in todays. But I don't think they were in yesterdays.

cumberlandreds
03-17-2009, 07:39 AM
Here's an NIT pickem contest. Yes,it's true there actually is one but no money to be won.


http://thedirtroad.net/nit/

macro
03-17-2009, 08:19 AM
Kentucky has gone 30 years in-between NIT appearances. I wonder if that's a record?

cumberlandreds
03-17-2009, 08:28 AM
Kentucky has gone 30 years in-between NIT appearances. I wonder if that's a record?

I don't know if its a record but I'm sure I hadn't looked at a complete NIT bracket since 1979. I can actually remember the last time UK played in it. They played Clemson at Rupp and lost by one point.

jmac
03-17-2009, 03:15 PM
I don't know if its a record but I'm sure I hadn't looked at a complete NIT bracket since 1979. I can actually remember the last time UK played in it. They played Clemson at Rupp and lost by one point.

Wasnt that the year after the championship ? Fred Cowan, Lavon Williams and co.

macro
03-17-2009, 04:57 PM
Wasnt that the year after the championship ? Fred Cowan, Lavon Williams and co.

I don't remember the players, but yes, it was the year after the title. Only 40 teams made up the NCAA field that year, so I don't know if UK would have made a 64-team field or not.

UK won the NIT in 1976, when only 32 teams made the NCAA. Weren't there only like six or eight at-large bids at that time? I'm thinking that you had to either win your conference or be ranked Top 20 (it was a Top 20 at that time) to get in the NCAA tournament.

jmac
03-17-2009, 07:17 PM
I don't remember the players, but yes, it was the year after the title. Only 40 teams made up the NCAA field that year, so I don't know if UK would have made a 64-team field or not.

UK won the NIT in 1976, when only 32 teams made the NCAA. Weren't there only like six or eight at-large bids at that time? I'm thinking that you had to either win your conference or be ranked Top 20 (it was a Top 20 at that time) to get in the NCAA tournament.

I think Kyle Macy was a senior on that team also but my memory gets foggy after those 3.

macro
03-17-2009, 09:36 PM
I think Kyle Macy was a senior on that team also but my memory gets foggy after those 3.

Actually, Macy graduated a year later, in 1980.

BTW, I don't think it's been mentioned that UK will play its first game in Memorial since 1976.

WVRed
03-17-2009, 09:51 PM
If Kentucky keeps this up with the turnovers, not only will the season be over with, but they could set the record.

WMR
03-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Memorial Coliseum blows Rupp Arena away in terms of loudness and atmosphere.

WVRed
03-17-2009, 10:10 PM
Memorial Coliseum blows Rupp Arena away in terms of loudness and atmosphere.

I think Blimpie mentioned this in a previous thread and I completely agree. I would like to see Kentucky play one game a year in Memorial just for the vintage sake. I honestly believe they could make up revenue just by charging extra for tickets and concessions.

My idea would be a Kentucky Legends Memorial Game at Memorial Colliseum. Schedule a semi decent team to come to Memorial for a tribute to those who have helped make Kentucky "Kentucky". Cawood Ledford, Bill Keightley, Adolph Rupp, etc.

WMR
03-17-2009, 10:11 PM
Oh I agree. I told someone that today and this first half just confirms it for me.

WVRed
03-17-2009, 10:14 PM
I am also totally digging Gillispie with the brown suit. Adolph Rupp tribute.:thumbup:

jmac
03-17-2009, 10:30 PM
Memorial Coliseum blows Rupp Arena away in terms of loudness and atmosphere.
Bingo !! I really like the atmosphere. Too many people at Rupp set on their hands !

WMR
03-17-2009, 10:34 PM
All the blue hairs need to be put in nursing homes and/or have their tickets taken away.

WMR
03-17-2009, 11:38 PM
I know it's the NIT, but that was an awesome game. The crowd was just incredible.

dabvu2498
03-18-2009, 12:02 AM
All the blue hairs need to be put in nursing homes and/or have their tickets taken away. Come on. It's the blue hairs that are going to pay Billy's buyout! :)

George Foster
03-18-2009, 12:32 AM
Why would anyone want to come work for a University that got rid of their coach after only 2 seasons?

I don't think folks--not you in particular, Mac--fully appreciate how disastrous it would be for our program if Billy were to leave or get fired after only 2 years on the job both in attracting top-notch coaching candidates and UK's reputation with recruits nationwide.

I don't agree with this for several reasons. Florida football, Alabama football, NC basketball.

All three University's had negative press about the firings, and negative press about their crazy fan base. It worked out well for them. It's also harder to turn around a football team than a basketball team on a short term bases. Both football teams turned it around in just 2 seasons...so it did not hurt recruiting, it fact it helped...a lot!

No player would quit the team or a recruit, until they hired a new coach. Kentucky would have to get a "big name." No "up-and-comer."

macro
03-18-2009, 12:49 AM
It seems that Seth Davis added a bit of fuel to the rumor fire today on his blog.

WMR
03-18-2009, 01:21 AM
I disagree but BCG isn't going anywhere so it's a moot point anyway.

WMR
03-18-2009, 01:21 AM
It seems that Seth Davis added a bit of fuel to the rumor fire today on his blog.

Don't you just love it when someone says that they're not going to comment on something and then immediately comment on it? :laugh: Seth Davis is a joke.

cumberlandreds
03-18-2009, 07:24 AM
Wasnt that the year after the championship ? Fred Cowan, Lavon Williams and co.

Yes it was. They were also playing shorthanded as Dwight Anderson broke his wrist in the SEC tournament.
Great atmosphere in Memorial! It's too bad they can't have that in Rupp. I don't think they will ever play one game a season in Memorial just for the economic reasons. Its too bad because it is a special place.

Blimpie
03-18-2009, 07:25 AM
Come on. It's the blue hairs that are going to pay Billy's buyout! :)Many sports fans in Lexington are questioning why they couldn't simply include that as part of the economic stimulus package. Just yesterday, someone tried to convince me that AIG actually stood for:

"Axing - Inititative - Gillispie"

:D

Blimpie
03-18-2009, 07:27 AM
Don't you just love it when someone says that they're not going to comment on something and then immediately comment on it? :laugh: Seth Davis is a joke.WMR: I hate to bring you down, but Davis is not the only one who is floating these stories.

He just happens to be working for one of the more visible media outlets at this particular time.

WMR
03-18-2009, 07:28 AM
WMR: I hate to bring you down, but Davis is not the only one who is floating these stories.

He just happens to be working for one of the more visible media outlets at this particular time.

Blimp: Trust me, BCG isn't going anywhere. This comes from the most trustworthy sources available. It is a tempest in a teapot.

WMR
03-18-2009, 07:29 AM
Many sports fans in Lexington are questioning why they couldn't simply include that as part of the economic stimulus package.

Any sports fan in Lexington who wants to get rid of their basketball coach after two years isn't much of a fan at all.

Blimpie
03-18-2009, 07:43 AM
Any sports fan in Lexington who wants to get rid of their basketball coach after two years isn't much of a fan at all.Unfortunately, I don't think things are that black and white in UK fandom. There are two very distinct variations of unhappiness that I have been observing.

(1) Those who lament the fact that we missed the big dance, are eager to see the incoming class, and would simply like to see BCG have a more pleasant demeanor /more accessible resource for the program.

(2) Others claim to have actual fears that--if radical changes are not made at once--this type of setback may become commonplace until the next decade.

You and I both know that BCG is an "Xs and Os" kind of guy and isn't going to change for anybody. Unfortunately, those in Group #1 think that he can be molded into this type of person AND he is already proven commodity with the clipboard.

Those in Group #2 are the "cut bait now--try a different fishing hole" types. When they hear the sweet siren songs playing on other campuses (fishing holes) they cannot help themselves.

Sorry to mix so many bad metaphors this early in the morning.

WMR
03-18-2009, 07:47 AM
How could any fan who falls into #2 be looked at as anywhere close to halfway reasonable?

Those fans should be shunned. At least until they realize the foolishness of their ways.

Do they have ***ANY*** clue as to what sort of team UK will have next season?

I keep telling people: next season will be the first time you'll see a team on the floor that will be somewhat close to a "vintage" Billy Clyde team.

WMR
03-18-2009, 07:48 AM
Let me add this about #1: I fully expect Mitch to read BCG a bit of the "riot act" about how he is to behave around the media, and, in my opinion, he SHOULD do just that.

Billy Clyde isn't going to let some media snafus screw up his chance to be the head basketball coach at Kentucky, I promise you.

Blimpie
03-18-2009, 07:55 AM
How could any fan who falls into #2 be looked at as anywhere close to halfway reasonable?

Those fans should be shunned. At least until they realize the foolishness of their ways. I didn't say they were reasonable. The problem is that many of them are high-level boosters--not the kind who simply have nice seats in Rupp.

I am talking about the types that get practice facilities named after them.

BCG refuses to pander to them. Some might let you go around acting like the Lone Ranger when you are winning 85% of your games. Bobby Knight pulled it off for decades.

But it is entirely different to have two first-team All-SEC players, display mediocrity against a weak schedule, and then continue acting surly towards the gentlemen who are funding your entire existence...

Unfortunately, in major collegiate sports, that is tantamount to signing your own death certificate.

dabvu2498
03-18-2009, 08:03 AM
The fact that the fan base is as polarized as it is could be proof that BG may not have been the best choice as head coach at Kentucky.

Blimpie
03-18-2009, 08:21 AM
Polarizing is an excellent choice of words.

Even discussing last night's game with some colleagues this morning. It was like two different stories being told--depending on how you felt about the modern-day 'guy in the brown suit'...

dabvu2498
03-18-2009, 08:27 AM
Polarizing is an excellent choice of words. Even discussing last night's game with some colleagues this morning. It was like two different stories being told--depending on how you felt about the modern-day 'guy in the brown suit'... And it does not make either of the sides any less of a fan. It just means that some want different than what they have now.

cumberlandreds
03-18-2009, 08:27 AM
A coach in a big time program like UK Basketball has to play the schmoozing game a little bit with the high rollers. Like Blimpie said if you don't its nearly the same as career suicide. The only way you can get away with not doing it is win and win big. So far BG hasn't done that. It doesn't matter to them if he hasn't had the players or not.

durl
03-18-2009, 09:19 AM
A coach in a big time program like UK Basketball has to play the schmoozing game a little bit with the high rollers. Like Blimpie said if you don't its nearly the same as career suicide. The only way you can get away with not doing it is win and win big. So far BG hasn't done that. It doesn't matter to them if he hasn't had the players or not.

Bingo.

When you have a high-profile program with avid fan support, a coach had better recognize that he's got to have good PR skills. Billy G. needs to learn that lesson pretty quick.

Honestly, Billy G's infamous "that wasn't in the job description" quote bothered me a lot. Fans of Kentucky basketball (not just those who believe the coach should win every game, every year) invest a lot of their hearts into the program and Billy basically told them he didn't care about them. What coach would tell fans that he feels no responsibility to reaching out to them?

And I do believe it's true that if the Cats were in the NCAA tournament as a top 10 seed a lot of the criticism would not be there, as Gillispie has said. But you're right, cumberlandred, he's not winning enough and his trendline is not in the positive direction. It's not too much to expect to see improvement in the second year of a new administration and Gillispie hasn't delivered on that point. I believe fans have a right to be concerned. I'm not the type to believe we should have a quick trigger-finger when it comes to a coach, but I do believe hanging on for the sake of hanging on can also be bad.

I'm not saying Billy should be let go after the last game this season. Still, if he was let go it wouldn't bother me. If they do retain him, we must see a far better team in 2009-10.

WVRed
03-18-2009, 09:30 AM
Blimp: Trust me, BCG isn't going anywhere. This comes from the most trustworthy sources available. It is a tempest in a teapot.

It wouldn't be the same source who said Patterson and Meeks were going pro and then Patterson came out a couple days later to announce he was staying, would it?:)

WVRed
03-18-2009, 09:35 AM
I keep telling people: next season will be the first time you'll see a team on the floor that will be somewhat close to a "vintage" Billy Clyde team.

Herein lies the problem with this, and this is the same as this year. Four of the five starters this year (Porter, Meeks, Stevenson, and Harris) are Tubby holdovers. You could also argue whether or not Patterson is a Tubby recruit, since OTS did lay the groundwork for Gillispie.

Orton, Hood, Pilgrim, Vilarino, and possibly Konner Tucker may get some quality minutes, but odds are they are going to be coming off the bench, just like Liggins, Miller, Galloway, and Harrellson did this year.

Here is my question. Gillispie managed to show significant success in his second season at both UTEP and Texas A&M. What happened that he couldn't do that at Kentucky?

WVRed
03-18-2009, 09:45 AM
Bingo.

When you have a high-profile program with avid fan support, a coach had better recognize that he's got to have good PR skills. Billy G. needs to learn that lesson pretty quick.

Honestly, Billy G's infamous "that wasn't in the job description" quote bothered me a lot. Fans of Kentucky basketball (not just those who believe the coach should win every game, every year) invest a lot of their hearts into the program and Billy basically told them he didn't care about them. What coach would tell fans that he feels no responsibility to reaching out to them?

Not every coach is cordial, and if you think about it, I honestly believe Kentucky fans have been spoiled in that regard, especially the younger generation.

When I say the younger generation, you had Pitino there during the 90's who relished the role. This was a guy who opened a restaurant in Lexington, has wrote books on business success, and has always been a media darling. Then you had Tubby Smith who was the family man who always acted as an ambassador for the program.

Even Eddie Sutton was somewhat cordial. Joe B. Hall might be the best example outside of Pitino, and he is actually the only one who has coached at Kentucky that is from Kentucky. From everything I have read, the press was scared of Adolph Rupp. Rupp won, but he wasn't exactly the best when it came to dealing with the media, and the racial deal didn't exactly further his cause.

cumberlandreds
03-18-2009, 10:15 AM
Bingo.

When you have a high-profile program with avid fan support, a coach had better recognize that he's got to have good PR skills. Billy G. needs to learn that lesson pretty quick.

Honestly, Billy G's infamous "that wasn't in the job description" quote bothered me a lot. Fans of Kentucky basketball (not just those who believe the coach should win every game, every year) invest a lot of their hearts into the program and Billy basically told them he didn't care about them. What coach would tell fans that he feels no responsibility to reaching out to them?

And I do believe it's true that if the Cats were in the NCAA tournament as a top 10 seed a lot of the criticism would not be there, as Gillispie has said. But you're right, cumberlandred, he's not winning enough and his trendline is not in the positive direction. It's not too much to expect to see improvement in the second year of a new administration and Gillispie hasn't delivered on that point. I believe fans have a right to be concerned. I'm not the type to believe we should have a quick trigger-finger when it comes to a coach, but I do believe hanging on for the sake of hanging on can also be bad.

I'm not saying Billy should be let go after the last game this season. Still, if he was let go it wouldn't bother me. If they do retain him, we must see a far better team in 2009-10.

One thing BG brought to the table when he was hired was that his previous teams at UTEP and T A&M showed great improvement in year two of both of his tenures at those two schools. I think people and rightfully so are very disappointed that didn't happen here. Much was made of that before this season. I myself included thought we see great improvement over last season and instead we got regression. Your last paragraph I fully agree with.

durl
03-18-2009, 11:43 AM
Not every coach is cordial, and if you think about it, I honestly believe Kentucky fans have been spoiled in that regard, especially the younger generation.

When I say the younger generation, you had Pitino there during the 90's who relished the role. This was a guy who opened a restaurant in Lexington, has wrote books on business success, and has always been a media darling. Then you had Tubby Smith who was the family man who always acted as an ambassador for the program.

Even Eddie Sutton was somewhat cordial. Joe B. Hall might be the best example outside of Pitino, and he is actually the only one who has coached at Kentucky that is from Kentucky. From everything I have read, the press was scared of Adolph Rupp. Rupp won, but he wasn't exactly the best when it came to dealing with the media, and the racial deal didn't exactly further his cause.

You're exactly right. The thing that stands out is that times change and coaches must do the same. Rupp didn't have to be a media darling because, well, he won. That, and the culture was different then. Behaviors and attitudes that were acceptable then are not now. Expectations were different, for the team AND the coach.

Pitino, as you pointed out, did things that engaged the fans. He took the strong fan support and relished the role, making fans feel as if he were one of them. But where Pitino expressed a love for basketball and a desire to connect with people that share that love, Billy seems to view those same fans as a distraction from coaching. It's like a business owner saying, "I'd love what I do if it weren't for the lousy customers."

WVRed
03-18-2009, 11:55 AM
This is semi-off topic, but I am seriously thinking about ordering some of Pitino's leadership books. I did some research for a class I am taking and one of the pieces from the book talks about how he aimed to restore Kentucky's integrity after Eddie Sutton left.

Has anybody read Success is a Choice or Lead to Succeed? I'd love to hear some feedback.

WVRed
03-18-2009, 12:08 PM
You're exactly right. The thing that stands out is that times changes and coaches must do the same. Rupp didn't have to be a media darling because, well, he won. That, and the culture was different then. Behaviors and attitudes that were acceptable then are not now. Expectations were different, for the team AND the coach.

Pitino, as you pointed out, did things that engaged the fans. He took the strong fan support and relished the role, making fans feel as if he were one of them. But where Pitino expressed a love for basketball and a desire to connect with people that share that love, Billy seems to view those same fans as a distraction from coaching. It's like a business owner saying, "I'd love what I do if it weren't for the lousy customers."

To me that is like a teenager saying to his parents, "You don't understand me" or "You don't understand my generation".

My point is, I don't really care how Gillispie acts with the media, and if the team was winning, I doubt very many would have cared. Do I think he should do a better job? Yes. Would I fire him because of how he talked to Jeanine Edwards? Of course not.

Adolph Rupp was able to get a free pass because he won. If you want to look at a modern day example, take Jim Calhoun. He isn't exactly a media darling, but he wins.

I am curious though if Gillispie does have some escape outside of basketball. I know I had read where somebody on here said that they saw him at Merrick Inn (don't know the spelling). It would be interesting to see if he does interact with fans at all.

BoxingRed
03-18-2009, 12:12 PM
This is semi-off topic, but I am seriously thinking about ordering some of Pitino's leadership books. I did some research for a class I am taking and one of the pieces from the book talks about how he aimed to restore Kentucky's integrity after Eddie Sutton left.

Has anybody read Success is a Choice or Lead to Succeed? I'd love to hear some feedback.

I am a Louisville fan that was not happy about the hiring of Pitino at the time.
I decided to suck it up and read Success is a Choice. I found it to be quite inspiring. It's mostly the same stuff you get from any motivational book, but tells it from a basketball point of view that I found easy to relate.
I became a Pitino fan after reading it and haven't looked back.

WVRed
03-18-2009, 12:22 PM
I don't agree with this for several reasons. Florida football, Alabama football, NC basketball.

All three University's had negative press about the firings, and negative press about their crazy fan base. It worked out well for them. It's also harder to turn around a football team than a basketball team on a short term bases. Both football teams turned it around in just 2 seasons...so it did not hurt recruiting, it fact it helped...a lot!

No player would quit the team or a recruit, until they hired a new coach. Kentucky would have to get a "big name." No "up-and-comer."

Problem:

Mike Shula was at Alabama for 4 years.
Ron Zook was at Florida for 3 years.
Matt Doherty was at UNC for 4 years.

The problem with Gillispie leaving is that there is no big name who can come in and immediately keep everything intact and fix the problems. Nick Saban and Roy Willams were at least proven commodities going to Alabama and UNC and Florida took a gamble with Urban Meyer that did pay off.

And please (anybody) do not say Billy Donovan. We already tried to offer Pile O Cash two years ago and that did not work. Running off a coach two years later to offer more is unlikely to do it, and at least with Florida he isn't going to have the fans calling for his job for back to back NIT's. That pressure belongs to Meyer.

BRM
03-18-2009, 12:59 PM
And please (anybody) do not say Billy Donovan. We already tried to offer Pile O Cash two years ago and that did not work.

But you have no idea if it would or wouldn't work now. Who knows what Donovan or Calipari is thinking these days? Huge Pile O' Cash may convince one of them to leave their current situation this time around. None of us really knows for sure.

WVRed
03-18-2009, 01:12 PM
But you have no idea if it would or wouldn't work now. Who knows what Donovan or Calipari is thinking these days? Huge Pile O' Cash may convince one of them to leave their current situation this time around. None of us really knows for sure.

Is it worth firing a coach two seasons in just to find out?

If Barnhardt put out feelers to see if Calipari or Donovan would be interested while Gillispie was still here, I could see that as an option.

BRM
03-18-2009, 01:13 PM
Is it worth firing a coach two seasons in just to find out?

If Barnhardt put out feelers to see if Calipari or Donovan would be interested while Gillispie was still here, I could see that as an option.

First question - No, it's not.

I agree with your second point. No way would I fire Billy now if I wasn't certain I could get the guy I wanted as the replacement.

HBP
03-18-2009, 02:01 PM
First question - No, it's not.

I agree with your second point. No way would I fire Billy now if I wasn't certain I could get the guy I wanted as the replacement.

Ha, well if it were Donovan, he'd maybe just change his mind a few days later and go back to UF.

Javy Pornstache
03-18-2009, 02:24 PM
Donovan verbally accepted the UK offer on the day of the national title game with OSU, but then backed out to negotiate with Orlando when his wife wasn't thrilled with the idea of leaving Florida. Then D decided he didn't want to go to Orlando after like three days and it became a media circus. Christine is more open to leaving Florida now than she was in 2007. Just sayin'.

durl
03-18-2009, 04:14 PM
To me that is like a teenager saying to his parents, "You don't understand me" or "You don't understand my generation".

...and typically, the parents DO understand him and his generation but the teenager doesn't realize this until he becomes a parent and discovers that he really didn't know more than his parents. :)

Seriously, though, my line of thinking was how the media landscape is different nowadays. Internet, 24-hour sports shows on television AND radio, combined with the changing culture makes today a far different landscape than when Rupp was coaching.


My point is, I don't really care how Gillispie acts with the media, and if the team was winning, I doubt very many would have cared. Do I think he should do a better job? Yes. Would I fire him because of how he talked to Jeanine Edwards? Of course not.

Adolph Rupp was able to get a free pass because he won. If you want to look at a modern day example, take Jim Calhoun. He isn't exactly a media darling, but he wins.

This is where I just have to agree with you. When it's all said and done we want a coach who will win. The personality and his positive interaction with today's media and fans is secondary. I just don't think it's impossible to have both. And when he displays neither qualities, it makes it hard to pull for the guy.

You know, as I think more about Rupp and how he related to those around him, I wonder if he avoided the negative attitudes from fans because he was a lot like them, not just because he won. The roles of men in general and coaches in particular was perceived differently in Rupp's day. What we call "harsh" today would be considered a character-builder then. I can't back that up, but it's just something I was thinking about.

WMR
03-18-2009, 04:26 PM
Konner Tucker committed this afternoon.

Gainesville Red
03-18-2009, 06:26 PM
At least with Florida he isn't going to have the fans calling for his job for back to back NIT's.


Don't be so sure. Come listen to some idiot sports talk down here.

Florida basketball fans have tasted success. Missing last year was fine. "We lost everyone, what do you expect? Next year will be better."

Only it wasn't. There is absolutely a segment of the fan base that has soured.

You're right that a lot of the pressure is reserved for Meyer, but Billy the (former) Kid bears his share.

Big time college athletics, no matter the school or sport, is always to some degree going to be what have you done for me lately for a nice portion of the fan base, right or wrong.

Now, come next year, they make it to the sweet sixteen, Billy will be the toast of the town with the same guys that are trying to get run him out of town. Just the way it is.

WVRed
03-18-2009, 08:28 PM
Don't be so sure. Come listen to some idiot sports talk down here.

Florida basketball fans have tasted success. Missing last year was fine. "We lost everyone, what do you expect? Next year will be better."

Only it wasn't. There is absolutely a segment of the fan base that has soured.

You're right that a lot of the pressure is reserved for Meyer, but Billy the (former) Kid bears his share.

Big time college athletics, no matter the school or sport, is always to some degree going to be what have you done for me lately for a nice portion of the fan base, right or wrong.

Now, come next year, they make it to the sweet sixteen, Billy will be the toast of the town with the same guys that are trying to get run him out of town. Just the way it is.

IMO, Florida will be back in contention next year if Calathes doesn't depart. From everything I have seen, Kenny Boynton is the real deal. Just imagine if Jai Lucas had kept his head screwed on straight. Lucas, Boynton, and Calathes could have been something special.

As for Billy D and Kentucky, UK's real chance with Donovan would have been in 1997 after Rick Pitino left for the Celtics. It was basically between him and Tubby and Tubby jumped at the offer first. To be honest, I am semi-glad it worked out that way because at the time, Donovan was still a young coach with no real pedigree outside of being a Pitino disciple. I shudder to think of how the same fans who are ready to crucify Gillispie would have handled Donovan, because I see a lot of similarities between 1997 Donovan and 2009 Gillispie.

WVRed
03-18-2009, 08:33 PM
Konner Tucker committed this afternoon.

It's going to be fun to watch. I'm kinda wondering if Liggins is going to be back, but from what I have heard Tucker is a sharpshooter, which with Hood coming in we will have plenty of firepower.

I hope Kentucky still pursues Eric Bledsoe, but this will likely knock them out of the running.

TeamSelig
03-18-2009, 09:53 PM
I read that Tucker will be more of a combo guard so it would still leave room for Bledsoe. I think BG might just be acquiring as many solid guards that he can.

I can't stand to read the UK boards anymore. The anti BG crowd voices their opinions too much. All recruits brought in now, are apparently terrible, etc..

WMR
03-18-2009, 09:57 PM
Creighton beat Bowling Green and UK will play in Omaha on Monday at 7.

WMR
03-18-2009, 09:58 PM
I read that Tucker will be more of a combo guard so it would still leave room for Bledsoe. I think BG might just be acquiring as many solid guards that he can.

I can't stand to read the UK boards anymore. The anti BG crowd voices their opinions too much. All recruits brought in now, are apparently terrible, etc..

TS: Check out www.truebluekentucky.com. Easily the best message board to talk UK sports and they don't tolerate the trashing of players, coaches, recruits, or the program.

jmac
03-18-2009, 09:59 PM
Here are some stats I got about Tucker:

He led this JUCO team in scoring- 16.2 points per game
He shot 83.5% from the free throw line
He shot 73 of 172 from 3-pt range for 42.4% (I'll take that)
He was 3rd on the team in assists with 2.5 assists per game
He had about 3 rebounds per game.
His overall FG shooting is 46.7%.

WMR
03-18-2009, 10:01 PM
They've got a really nice podcast interview with Konner at TBK. He grew up a UK fan and lived in KY for a while.

jmac
03-18-2009, 10:06 PM
TS: Check out www.truebluekentucky.com. Easily the best message board to talk UK sports and they don't tolerate the trashing of players, coaches, recruits, or the program.

Thanks for link WMR. That looks much tamer than the one I am used to. ;)

WVRed
03-18-2009, 11:13 PM
Thanks for link WMR. That looks much tamer than the one I am used to. ;)

I post occasionally on TBK as Big Blue Mountaineer. It is definitely a step up from all of the other UK message boards, but it isn't exactly Redszone.

My advice is that if you have any criticism of Gillispie whatsoever, keep it to yourself.:)

WVRed
03-19-2009, 08:37 AM
Creighton beat Bowling Green and UK will play in Omaha on Monday at 7.

If Creighton plays like they did last night, I think Kentucky will win. Woodfox was held to 2/11 shooting and they only won by 2 as the no 1 seed.

cumberlandreds
03-19-2009, 09:46 AM
I read that Tucker will be more of a combo guard so it would still leave room for Bledsoe. I think BG might just be acquiring as many solid guards that he can.

I can't stand to read the UK boards anymore. The anti BG crowd voices their opinions too much. All recruits brought in now, are apparently terrible, etc..

You might to try WWW.Wildcatnation.net (http://www.Wildcatnation.net). I'm a moderator over there and I know we don't put with the foolishness that goes on at other sites. No name calling of players,coaches and other posters. Also no wild or unsubstaniated rumors are allowed. Come over and take a test drive and see what you think. :)

cumberlandreds
03-19-2009, 09:48 AM
Here are some stats I got about Tucker:

He led this JUCO team in scoring- 16.2 points per game
He shot 83.5% from the free throw line
He shot 73 of 172 from 3-pt range for 42.4% (I'll take that)
He was 3rd on the team in assists with 2.5 assists per game
He had about 3 rebounds per game.
His overall FG shooting is 46.7%.

Sounds like he can shoot pretty well. UK really needs that as much as anything,just plain ole good shooters.

cumberlandreds
03-19-2009, 09:50 AM
If Creighton plays like they did last night, I think Kentucky will win. Woodfox was held to 2/11 shooting and they only won by 2 as the no 1 seed.

I read that Woodfox hit 48% from the 3 point line this season. That's sensational from that range. I'm afraid he may be on when UK comes to town. UK has had mucho problems guarding the threes this year as we all know.

BRM
03-19-2009, 10:08 AM
Here are some stats I got about Tucker:

He led this JUCO team in scoring- 16.2 points per game
He shot 83.5% from the free throw line
He shot 73 of 172 from 3-pt range for 42.4% (I'll take that)
He was 3rd on the team in assists with 2.5 assists per game
He had about 3 rebounds per game.
His overall FG shooting is 46.7%.

Can he guard anyone?

BRM
03-19-2009, 11:15 AM
Creighton beat Bowling Green and UK will play in Omaha on Monday at 7.

Just saw this post. Do you guys know if this game is going to be on ESPN?

WMR
03-19-2009, 11:54 AM
Just saw this post. Do you guys know if this game is going to be on ESPN?

Yes.

BRM
03-19-2009, 11:56 AM
Yes.

Thanks.

WMR
03-19-2009, 03:18 PM
Thanks.

No problem buddy. The game is going to be on ESPN to be more correct, IIRC. The game is Monday at 7 p.m. so there won't be much else to compete with it college basketball-wise.

BRM
03-19-2009, 03:21 PM
No problem buddy. The game is going to be on ESPN to be more correct, IIRC. The game is Monday at 7 p.m. so there won't be much else to compete with it college basketball-wise.

Some of these NIT games have been pretty entertaining. I expect UK/Creighton to be a good one as well. Looking forward to it.

WVRed
03-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Obviously I have not watched postseason NIT until this year, but it does seem that they don't take very much into account as far as seeding. Just guessing.

dabvu2498
03-21-2009, 06:59 PM
It saddens me greatly that this thread is dormant this weekend.

jmac
03-21-2009, 07:05 PM
It saddens me greatly that this thread is dormant this weekend.

Wait till Monday !!

Okay..bad joke but have to laugh just a little dont we ? :)

Blimpie
03-22-2009, 11:09 AM
<Brent Musburger voice>

"You are looking live, from Omaha.."

<Brent Musburger voice>

Nope. It just doesn't seem to have the same cache.

Hoosier Red
03-22-2009, 07:11 PM
So what's with the rumor I heard on Cutler's show today about CBG being out and Travis Ford being in as coach? Any fire to this smoke?

WVRed
03-22-2009, 09:35 PM
So what's with the rumor I heard on Cutler's show today about CBG being out and Travis Ford being in as coach? Any fire to this smoke?

Hopefully none and if Kentucky does this it is a major mistake.

If people think Gillispie is bad with the press right now Ford would be a bigger story.

Slyder
03-22-2009, 09:58 PM
What about Bobby Knight :D. Maybe he'd be there for a quick fixer upper and a few more memorial game events then ride off to the sunset. Just asking :D.

dabvu2498
03-22-2009, 10:04 PM
Hopefully none and if Kentucky does this it is a major mistake. If people think Gillispie is bad with the press right now Ford would be a bigger story. Ford would get a lot softer treatment from the media than bg does. Nonetheless, I think Ford would be a bad choice. His resume is spottier than bg's. Has he been anywhere longer than 3 years? If not then I vote no. Of course Mitch is going to do what he wants to do.

TeamSelig
03-22-2009, 10:07 PM
I really hope we give BG one more year to show improvement.

macro
03-22-2009, 10:12 PM
So what's with the rumor I heard on Cutler's show today about CBG being out and Travis Ford being in as coach? Any fire to this smoke?

I'd take anything Cutler says with a grain of salt.

Oh, and by the way, I have seen BG's initials typed as "CBG" on the UK boards, as well as seeing you do it that way here. Given that his initials are actually "BCG", what is the story behind typing that way? I'm not registered on any UK boards and didn't want to just to ask that question.

WVRed
03-22-2009, 10:49 PM
I'd take anything Cutler says with a grain of salt.

Oh, and by the way, I have seen BG's initials typed as "CBG" on the UK boards, as well as seeing you do it that way here. Given that his initials are actually "BCG", what is the story behind typing that way? I'm not registered on any UK boards and didn't want to just to ask that question.

Probably "Coach Billy Gillispie"

As for Cutler, I would definitely let it go in one ear and out the other.

dabvu2498
03-22-2009, 10:49 PM
I'd take anything Cutler says with a grain of salt. Oh, and by the way, I have seen BG's initials typed as "CBG" on the UK boards, as well as seeing you do it that way here. Given that his initials are actually "BCG", what is the story behind typing that way? I'm not registered on any UK boards and didn't want to just to ask that question. Coach BCG

Hoosier Red
03-22-2009, 10:59 PM
I'd take anything Cutler says with a grain of salt.

Oh, and by the way, I have seen BG's initials typed as "CBG" on the UK boards, as well as seeing you do it that way here. Given that his initials are actually "BCG", what is the story behind typing that way? I'm not registered on any UK boards and didn't want to just to ask that question.

It is Coach Billy Gillespie. Actually I just saw someone else do it and I was doing it to tweak a bit.

WMR
03-22-2009, 11:28 PM
It is Coach Billy Gillespie. Actually I just saw someone else do it and I was doing it to tweak a bit.

Gillispie

macro
03-23-2009, 01:32 AM
Ahh, okay. Thanks, guys.

durl
03-23-2009, 09:22 AM
Ford would get a lot softer treatment from the media than bg does. Nonetheless, I think Ford would be a bad choice. His resume is spottier than bg's. Has he been anywhere longer than 3 years? If not then I vote no. Of course Mitch is going to do what he wants to do.

Billy Gillispie hasn't been a head coach for more than 3 years at a single school, either. If he hangs on for another season at UK, it'll match his longest coaching tenure at any level.

BRM
03-23-2009, 09:26 AM
Billy Gillispie hasn't been a head coach for more than 3 years at a single school, either. If he hangs on for another season at UK, it'll match his longest coaching tenure at any level.

I think that was part of Dab's point actually. He didn't exactly vote "yes" on the Gillispie hire in the first place.

dabvu2498
03-23-2009, 10:28 AM
I think that was part of Dab's point actually. He didn't exactly vote "yes" on the Gillispie in the first place. Yep yep. And as it turns out, Ford was at Eastern 5 years. Not that it makes him much more viable a candidate, but at least he has seen a class all the way from recruitment to senior day.

Boston Red
03-23-2009, 10:46 AM
Did Ford recruit Matt Witt to EKU? That was a career changer.

dabvu2498
03-23-2009, 10:51 AM
Did Ford recruit Matt Witt to EKU? That was a career changer. I believe so.

BRM
03-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Gillispie says he 'can't control' whether he'll return to Cats
Says his return is up to superiors

BY BRETT DAWSON • BDAWSON@COURIER-JOURNAL.COMTHE COURIER-JOURNAL • MARCH 23, 2009

LEXINGTON, Ky. -- University of Kentucky men's basketball coach Billy Gillispie said yesterday that he loves coaching at UK but stopped short of guaranteeing a return next season, saying that the future is outside his control.

During a news conference to discuss tonight's second-round National Invitation Tournament game at Creighton, Gillispie mostly fielded questions about his uncertain future.

He said he meets "all the time" with athletic director Mitch Barnhart and university President Lee Todd but has not discussed his job status.
Asked if he expects to return next season, Gillispie said he "can't control" that decision.

"Decisions are made (by other people) all the time anytime you work for someone else," he said yesterday. "Shoot, I love it here; I like it here; I like our guys. I'm really excited about our guys coming in, our guys coming back and I don't worry about all those kind of things."

Gillispie has been under fire since his Wildcats (21-13) stumbled down the stretch, losing eight of their last 11 regular-season games and bowing out in the quarterfinals of the Southeastern Conference Tournament.

That collapse snapped a string of 17 straight NCAA Tournament appearances.

That has increased the pressure on Gillispie, who is 39-26 in two seasons at UK.

He noted his team's inexperience, saying few teams in college basketball play "at the very, very highest level totally consistently all year long" without seniors who play significant minutes.

Gillispie added that his team had improved "totally" and "dramatically" since its NCAA Tournament snub, citing a "really good stretch of basketball" during Tuesday's 70-60 win against UNLV in the first round of the NIT.

"We're an inexperienced group, and we always just kept hoping and kept hoping and working hard towards (the NCAA Tournament), but I think the finalization really hit hard when we weren't in there," Gillispie said. "I think it's really given them a great chance to mature dramatically, and I think it's going to really pay dividends. I think it's paid dividends already."

"We need to get back to the absolute elite level, and I don't think we're very far from that," Gillispie said.

Blimpie
03-23-2009, 12:39 PM
This is not a dig on you BRM...But, as these quotes actually say nothing at all substantial, it is puzzling why so many media sources are running them like front page news in the last 24 hours. Especially on the eve of a 2nd round NIT game.

Let's recap....

(1) Billy says he "can't control' whether or not he returns to UK next season.
(2) Billy also says "Decisions are made (by other people) all the time anytime you work for someone else..."

I normally expect more from Brett Dawson. That's not exactly scintillating stuff there.

durl
03-23-2009, 01:11 PM
Yep yep. And as it turns out, Ford was at Eastern 5 years. Not that it makes him much more viable a candidate, but at least he has seen a class all the way from recruitment to senior day.

Sorry about misunderstanding your point...

I don't necessarily believe a coach has to have tons of tenure in order to be successful, but Billy G's level of enthusiasm and rapid results made it seem as though he'd be a decent choice for Kentucky. I'm having trouble figuring out how Gillisipie can make a mediocre Texas A&M program a Top 10 team in 2 years but Kentucky gets worse...

Anyway, I'm also not sold on Ford at this time.

BRM
03-23-2009, 04:11 PM
This is not a dig on you BRM...But, as these quotes actually say nothing at all substantial, it is puzzling why so many media sources are running them like front page news in the last 24 hours. Especially on the eve of a 2nd round NIT game.

Let's recap....

(1) Billy says he "can't control' whether or not he returns to UK next season.
(2) Billy also says "Decisions are made (by other people) all the time anytime you work for someone else..."

I normally expect more from Brett Dawson. That's not exactly scintillating stuff there.

I hear ya. And I agree, there isn't much out there in the way of substantive news (wrt to BG). Just a lot of speculation. Billy just had some interesting comments at the end of the article and that's the main reason I posted this one.

Blimpie
03-23-2009, 04:26 PM
I hear ya. And I agree, there isn't much out there in the way of substantive news (wrt to BG). Just a lot of speculation. Billy just had some interesting comments at the end of the article and that's the main reason I posted this one.Based upon some of what I heard today, that may all be about to change.

...and I am not talking small stuff, either. I mean jaw-dropping stuff.

BRM
03-23-2009, 04:29 PM
Based upon some of what I heard today, that may all be about to change.

...and I am not talking small stuff, either. I mean jaw-dropping stuff.

I've heard rumblings that big news was on the horizon. It's going to get interesting, that's for sure.

Blimpie
03-23-2009, 04:42 PM
In my personal/professional experience dealing with UK sports, I have always found that the most accurate source of information on the program consistenly emerges from their extensive booster network.

I heard multiple confirmations today that two heavy hitter boosters held a high-level discussion last Friday in which a 'blank check' offer was made to a coach to take the job at UK next season.

I am little shocked that so much is leaking about this meeting due to the fact that this coach's team was currently still playing in a post-season basketball tourney.

Boston Red
03-23-2009, 05:04 PM
Is this the Calipari rumor or the Pitino rumor? Or the hybrid Calitino rumor?

Hoosier Red
03-23-2009, 05:04 PM
I am little shocked that so much is leaking about this meeting due to the fact that this coach's team was currently still playing in a post-season basketball tourney.


Pat Summitt? She's free now.

jmac
03-23-2009, 07:47 PM
Watching UK play sometimes...I wonder how they made the NIT !

WMR
03-23-2009, 09:11 PM
Nice win. Notre Dame next.

Blimpie
03-23-2009, 09:33 PM
Three SEC teams still alive in the NIT?

The might as well host the semifinals in the Georgia Dome.

WMR
03-23-2009, 09:34 PM
Creighton really wanted that game desperately. I know it's just the NIT, but UK did well to go into Omaha and leave with a W. They played VERY hard tonight.

Boston Red
03-23-2009, 09:42 PM
That's an impressive win. No one wins in Omaha other than Creighton.

cumberlandreds
03-24-2009, 07:46 AM
A tough,gritty win last night. You have to admire UK with sticking with the season and making something out of it. It would have been easy to quit after not making the NCAA's and certainly would have been easy to last night. That was a tough place to play. A very nice win in a very tough season.
ND is next. For us old UK fans,ND was at one time a big rivalry. Digger always made it fun to beat him and UK did a lot more than they didn't. He still can't stand UK to this day for all the beatings he took from them. Hopefully they aren't too worn out from last night to go into South Bend and beat them one more time just for Diggers sake anyway.

WMR
03-24-2009, 09:21 AM
UK Basketball: Orton's father says if Gillispie leaves, his son might not come to UK

By LARRY VAUGHT
larry@amnews.com

If Billy Gillispie is not the coach at Kentucky next year, there’s no guarantee star recruit Daniel Orton of Oklahoma will play for the Wildcats.

“That might impact us. It all depends,” said Larry Orton, Daniel’s father, Monday. “That is a good question. It would all depend on who they bring in . It would almost be like starting recruiting all over again.

“The coach is the one that recruits you. They tell you they are going to play you. With the class he has coming in, he is going to get better (teams). I just hope there is nothing for us to worry about because Daniel wants to play for coach Gillispie.”

The center missed most of his senior season because of a knee injury before returning for the final three games in the state tournament. He’s now in California training and strengthening his knee even more in preparation for the April 11 Derby Festival Classic in Louisville.

“As of now, he is going to play a little bit in that game, but not a lot. Then that is Daniel talking. It is an 18 year old talking. He might not stop playing once he gets there,” Larry Orton said. “I am going to make the trip with him.”

They thought it would be another opportunity for them to possibly visit Kentucky and see Gillispie.

“Most places give you three or four years before they start talking about a change because it takes time,” Larry Orton said. “I don’t see it (a coaching change) happening.

“Think how hard it would be to get somebody else to come in there. You have to understand recruiting. If you go there and don’t do well and then know another coach will come in, that’s a problem for kids. That is how people start talking and recruiting. People are using all this right now against Kentucky. That’s why the athletics director (Mitch Barnhart) has to come out and say he will be here. It will kill recruiting if he doesn’t.”

Larry Orton tried to call UK athletics director Mitch Barnhart last week to have the situation explained. He tried again Monday after Barnhart did not return his call and was told that Barnhart was with the team in Omaha, Neb., for UK’s National Invitation Tournament game.

“The AD (athletics director) needs to come out and say we are moving forward with Billy Gillispie as our coach,” Larry Orton said.

Orton says he understands that Barnhart is busy and is not trying to read anything into not having his call returned.

“I don’t like to start second guessing people. I know his job is a real busy job. I don’t like to really rush somebody with their season not over. I will get to talk to him soon enough,” Orton said.

What does he want Barnhart to tell him?

“I want him to say Billy is my guy. He has only been there two years. He doesn’t have the Kentucky talent you need. He has it coming. He is still playing with Tubby Smith’s players. He has three new guys that are still learning his system. With the talent he has coming, they are going to be good. He just needs time to build his program,” Orton said.

Larry Orton spent a few days in Virginia last week visiting his mother. When he returned home and went to work, he was hit with numerous questions about UK’s basketball coaching situation.

“People are trying to get Daniel to change his mind about Kentucky. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State want him bad. His cousin is coach at OU. If Gillispie is not there (next year), I guarantee he will call. There will be a lot of people calling. I bet Florida will call,” Larry Orton said.

Yet the Ortons remain optimistic that Gillispie will weather the storm and will be back next year.

“Everything is going to work out. Or at least I hope it does,” Larry Orton said “I don’t think there is a problem (with Gillispie). I am hoping there is not any way because Daniel wants to play for him at Kentucky. That’s why he is going there.”

BRM
03-24-2009, 09:27 AM
That's an impressive win. No one wins in Omaha other than Creighton.

It didn't help that Creighton couldn't make a free throw down the stretch. That said, UK played hard. It was definitely a nice win.

Blimpie
03-24-2009, 09:48 AM
Is it reasonable to assume that a basketball recruit's father would get a return phone call within 24 hours from the Athletic Director?

cumberlandreds
03-24-2009, 10:07 AM
Here's a different take on the game last night. The writer sounds just a little bitter to me.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3924&u_sid=10593770

dsmith421
03-24-2009, 10:21 AM
It didn't help that Creighton couldn't make a free throw down the stretch. That said, UK played hard. It was definitely a nice win.

I know for a fact that the athletic departments at Xavier and Dayton are very wary of scheduling home-and-homes with Creighton because of the unbelievable homering teams take in Omaha.

Very impressive for UK to get out of there with a win.

WMR
03-24-2009, 10:34 AM
Here's a different take on the game last night. The writer sounds just a little bitter to me.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3924&u_sid=10593770

:lol:

Funny article.

BRM
03-24-2009, 10:45 AM
4 turnovers and 1 of 6 from the line down the stretch. You aren't going to beat many teams that way.

joshnky
03-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Nice win. Notre Dame next.

Harangody v. Patterson. McAlarney v. Meeks. Should be a fun, high-scoring affair becuase Notre Dame doesn't defend but is also very tough to defend.

I don't know how much UK fans have seen Harangody play but he is fun to watch. I still remember last years game where he scored 44 against UofL in a failed comeback attempt. He started launching threes at the end and hitting every one of them. Great college player.

Blimpie
03-24-2009, 11:47 AM
That frontcourt matchup was the first thing that I thought of as well. If nothing else, Patterson should be well-rested.

BRM
03-24-2009, 11:50 AM
Wednesday night at 7:00. Great matchup. Should be a great one to watch.

There have been some very good games in the NIT this year. Maybe there is every year and I haven't noticed but this year has definitely been entertaining.

WMR
03-24-2009, 11:58 AM
Notre Dame will have had 6 days of rest versus 2 for UK. Will ND be more well rested or will they be rusty? I've seen it go either way for teams after extended lay-offs...

also interested to see what sort of crowd shows up for the game. They had around 3000 fans for their first round game... wouldn't be surprised to see nearly as many Cat fans as Irish supporters.

BRM
03-24-2009, 12:11 PM
also interested to see what sort of crowd shows up for the game. They had around 3000 fans for their first round game... wouldn't be surprised to see nearly as many Cat fans as Irish supporters.

That's a good point. ND's crowds have been pretty disappointing for their first two games.

WVRed
03-24-2009, 12:21 PM
Great video if you haven't seen it yet.

http://www.ncaa.com/blog/revive.html

cumberlandreds
03-24-2009, 01:31 PM
That's a good point. ND's crowds have been pretty disappointing for their first two games.

I'm sure the NIT would love to re-seed at this point. I read somewhere (It may have been here) that ND only drew about 2100 for each of their first two games. Probably be more than that tomorrow but I'm sure they would love this game in Rupp instead.

Blimpie
03-24-2009, 04:47 PM
Great video if you haven't seen it yet.

http://www.ncaa.com/blog/revive.htmlI had no idea that was Christian Laettner until I saw Pitino at the end...

:D

jmac
03-24-2009, 07:33 PM
UK Basketball: Orton's father says if Gillispie leaves, his son might not come to UK

By LARRY VAUGHT
larry@amnews.com

If Billy Gillispie is not the coach at Kentucky next year, there’s no guarantee star recruit Daniel Orton of Oklahoma will play for the Wildcats.

“That might impact us. It all depends,” said Larry Orton, Daniel’s father, Monday. “That is a good question. It would all depend on who they bring in . It would almost be like starting recruiting all over again.

“The coach is the one that recruits you. They tell you they are going to play you. With the class he has coming in, he is going to get better (teams). I just hope there is nothing for us to worry about because Daniel wants to play for coach Gillispie.”

The center missed most of his senior season because of a knee injury before returning for the final three games in the state tournament. He’s now in California training and strengthening his knee even more in preparation for the April 11 Derby Festival Classic in Louisville.

“As of now, he is going to play a little bit in that game, but not a lot. Then that is Daniel talking. It is an 18 year old talking. He might not stop playing once he gets there,” Larry Orton said. “I am going to make the trip with him.”

They thought it would be another opportunity for them to possibly visit Kentucky and see Gillispie.

“Most places give you three or four years before they start talking about a change because it takes time,” Larry Orton said. “I don’t see it (a coaching change) happening.

“Think how hard it would be to get somebody else to come in there. You have to understand recruiting. If you go there and don’t do well and then know another coach will come in, that’s a problem for kids. That is how people start talking and recruiting. People are using all this right now against Kentucky. That’s why the athletics director (Mitch Barnhart) has to come out and say he will be here. It will kill recruiting if he doesn’t.”

Larry Orton tried to call UK athletics director Mitch Barnhart last week to have the situation explained. He tried again Monday after Barnhart did not return his call and was told that Barnhart was with the team in Omaha, Neb., for UK’s National Invitation Tournament game.

“The AD (athletics director) needs to come out and say we are moving forward with Billy Gillispie as our coach,” Larry Orton said.

Orton says he understands that Barnhart is busy and is not trying to read anything into not having his call returned.

“I don’t like to start second guessing people. I know his job is a real busy job. I don’t like to really rush somebody with their season not over. I will get to talk to him soon enough,” Orton said.

What does he want Barnhart to tell him?

“I want him to say Billy is my guy. He has only been there two years. He doesn’t have the Kentucky talent you need. He has it coming. He is still playing with Tubby Smith’s players. He has three new guys that are still learning his system. With the talent he has coming, they are going to be good. He just needs time to build his program,” Orton said.

Larry Orton spent a few days in Virginia last week visiting his mother. When he returned home and went to work, he was hit with numerous questions about UK’s basketball coaching situation.

“People are trying to get Daniel to change his mind about Kentucky. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State want him bad. His cousin is coach at OU. If Gillispie is not there (next year), I guarantee he will call. There will be a lot of people calling. I bet Florida will call,” Larry Orton said.

Yet the Ortons remain optimistic that Gillispie will weather the storm and will be back next year.

“Everything is going to work out. Or at least I hope it does,” Larry Orton said “I don’t think there is a problem (with Gillispie). I am hoping there is not any way because Daniel wants to play for him at Kentucky. That’s why he is going there.”

I think any kid would fall into this category. "IF" Kentucky decided to make a change, the important thing would be to have a replacement ready to name almost immediately.
Any feet dragging would probably result in defections.
My gut feeling is a big name caoch brought in and Orton/Hood would still come. Course, I've been wrong before. :p:

WMR
03-24-2009, 09:19 PM
In case anyone wants a taste of the premium section of TBK, they're offering a free premium membership for TODAY only...

MM just posted a really interesting premium blog that is well worth reading.

jesusfan
03-24-2009, 09:49 PM
True Blue Kentucky is excellent for all fans of Kentucky basketball, or just fans of basketball that love good "insider" information. Tomorrow's game against Notre Dame will be a great match up, especially between Patterson/Gody and Meeks/McAlarney... I say we pick up the win by 5-10 points...

jmac
03-24-2009, 10:23 PM
I will add I really thought this KY team might have the Clemson football Music City Bowl attitude of a few years ago. In other words " not really wanting to be there".
This team has really showed they are playing to win. Enjoyed PP chestbumping the fan last night after game as well ! :beerme:

WVRed
03-24-2009, 10:36 PM
True Blue Kentucky is excellent for all fans of Kentucky basketball, or just fans of basketball that love good "insider" information. Tomorrow's game against Notre Dame will be a great match up, especially between Patterson/Gody and Meeks/McAlarney... I say we pick up the win by 5-10 points...

It is going to depend on which Notre Dame team shows up. If there has been a team more inconsistent than Kentucky this year it would be Notre Dame.

I won't predict who wins, but I do believe with both teams defenses less than scintillating, it will be a barn burner.

WVRed
03-24-2009, 11:26 PM
In case anyone wants a taste of the premium section of TBK, they're offering a free premium membership for TODAY only...

MM just posted a really interesting premium blog that is well worth reading.

I realize there is less than an hour left, but every Kentucky fan needs to read this. I won't copy and paste the article since it is premium, but it goes along with some of the things Blimpie has posted on here. After reading an article from probably one of the most pro-Gillispie supporters out there, I really think he is on his way out, and it is extremely unfortunate.

WMR
03-24-2009, 11:36 PM
It turns my stomach, to be perfectly honest.

Mitch should follow BCG right out the door if this is indeed how things play out.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 12:02 AM
It turns my stomach, to be perfectly honest.

Mitch should follow BCG right out the door if this is indeed how things play out.

I'm honestly torn on Mitch right now. Even though he bombed on the Gillispie hire and it right now looks like Gillispie is going to be axed, he has been successful in making other hires (Mickie DeMoss, Matt Mitchell, Rich Brooks when nobody else wanted the job, John Cohen).

I'm hoping the "other" rumor was true about a possible "Basketball AD". Considering it is Kentucky, this wouldn't be a bad idea. Barnhardt could focus on the other programs that he has been successful at and somebody else could oversee restoring the basketball program.

The one thing I do feel somewhat secure in is that I don't believe everything will fall apart like the gloom and doom prognosticators are predicting. I believe if either coach mentioned is brought in that we could keep most of our incoming classes.

Hood=likely to stay regardless. I think he is an in-state kid and he likely wouldn't leave the bench at Louisville.

Orton=would likely stay. Whoever would take over could hire his brother on staff and likely keep him.

Pilgrim=definitely staying. Why transfer again?

Vilarino and Tucker=could be gone. IIRC, they were very close to Gillispie and the reason they chose UK.

Euton and Zollo=with Euton, see Hood. Zollo has relocated to Clark County and would likely follow through as well, but uncertain.

Ferguson=this would be the one we would likely lose that would hurt.

Avery=who knows, but he is a long way off and it is hard to tell how he would likely pan out.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 12:11 AM
Also, Penn State beat Florida earlier this evening in Gainesville.

If Kentucky wins, they play the Nittany Lions next week in New York.

If Kentucky loses, then things are really going to be interesting in the coming weeks.

WMR
03-25-2009, 12:12 AM
honestly though, WGAC about the other sports? UK is about basketball. Period. And it looks like he may screw the pooch royally on this one.

Orton is almost certain to leave, according to trusted sources...

I just don't see any hire that will put UK in a better position to succeed long term than BCG.

Billy Donovan? No thank you.

Ford? Not ready. Probably more volatile than BCG.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 12:27 AM
honestly though, WGAC about the other sports? UK is about basketball. Period. And it looks like he may screw the pooch royally on this one.

Orton is almost certain to leave, according to trusted sources...

I just don't see any hire that will put UK in a better position to succeed long term than BCG.

Billy Donovan? No thank you.

Ford? Not ready. Probably more volatile than BCG.

I think if either Ford or Donovan come in they could give Orton's older brother a job and likely keep him in fold.

The only thing I would be worried about with Orton though is that it is ENTIRELY possible that if Kentucky did fire Gillispie and hired Travis Ford, there is still an opening in Stillwater. Gillispie was sought after by the Cowboys before they settled on Travis Ford and Gillispie has had success in the Big XII. Considering Orton is from Oklahoma and if Gillispie ended up there, I could see Orton following him if UK released him without any restraint.

I agree with you on Mitch, but I am saying it would be hard to fire him based on his success record in other areas. Create a basketball AD position, give it to Dan Issel, and let Mitch oversee everything else.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 08:32 AM
honestly though, WGAC about the other sports? That is junk.

WMR
03-25-2009, 09:00 AM
That is junk.

:lol:

No it isn't.

Please, tell me the collegiate sport in the same stratosphere of importance as men's basketball at the University of Kentucky.

:laugh:

joshnky
03-25-2009, 09:20 AM
Since this seems more and more likely, who are they rumored to make a run at with their "blank check"? Ford, Calipari or Wright? As a UofL fan Calipari scares me the most. He is certainly risky but he will bring in the recruits and style of play to match the Pitino years.

Also, the little bit I've followed this it seems that if a change is made it will be more due to the fact that BillyG has had issues with the media as well as rumors of problems with his peers in the athletic office and the sponsors.

BRM
03-25-2009, 09:21 AM
:lol:

No it isn't.

Please, tell me the collegiate sport in the same stratosphere of importance as men's basketball at the University of Kentucky.

:laugh:

You mean to tell me the cross country teams don't rake in major dollars for the athletic department?

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 09:46 AM
:lol: No it isn't. Please, tell me the collegiate sport in the same stratosphere of importance as men's basketball at the University of Kentucky. :laugh: Texas football, Ohio State football, Indiana basketball, Kansas basketball. But that's not the point. Supporters of the University of Kentucky should care about how the softball and swim teams do if for no other reason than that they represent the state and the University and they shouldn't be a laughingstock. Which some of those lesser programs were in the past.

BRM
03-25-2009, 09:47 AM
To be fair, I think WMR was talking strictly about UK when he said "WGAC about other sports". I do agree with Dab's point though.

Boston Red
03-25-2009, 09:59 AM
It's not really an either/or. An AD at Kentucky HAS to get mens basketball right. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be expected to do a good job managing the rest of the department as well.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 10:03 AM
Since this seems more and more likely, who are they rumored to make a run at with their "blank check"? Ford, Calipari or Wright? As a UofL fan Calipari scares me the most. He is certainly risky but he will bring in the recruits and style of play to match the Pitino years.

Also, the little bit I've followed this it seems that if a change is made it will be more due to the fact that BillyG has had issues with the media as well as rumors of problems with his peers in the athletic office and the sponsors.

Bingo.

This is what most fans do not comprehend. The everyday fan might love Billy Gillispie, but if the boosters have a problem then there is going to be some blood shed.

I used an example on TBK of the Reds releasing Danny Graves for flipping off a "fan". That "fan" was Jeff Wyler, who is one of the Reds biggest sponsors. Had that happened to any one of the everyday regular fans, there might have been an effort to smooth things over. Do it to a sponsor or booster and you might as well hit the unemployment line.

My dad is seriously about to switch and become a WVU fan since we live here in Parkersburg with the way this is being handled. He made the comment that Rupp never kissed up to boosters etc. My response was that there was no history at UK before Rupp so he had a free pass to an extent. Not to mention I don't think the need for boosters was as big then as it is now.

As for the "blank check", Travis Ford or Billy Donovan are the two being mentioned. Here is my take on both:

Travis Ford: The good is that he is a Kentucky boy with deep ties to the program and he would likely take the job if offered. He played under Pitino and his style of play is similar, which is what the fans ultimately want.

The bad is that he isn't exactly battle tested. One year of T. Boone Pickens money preceeded by stints at UMass and EKU.

Also, like Gillispie, Ford has a track record that isn't likely to go over with fans. I've read on message boards where people have posted their least favorite UK players just by meeting them and the two most famous answers are Travis Ford and Saul Smith. Calling one of his players a *insert profanity here* idiot probably wouldn't resonate very well.

Billy Donovan: I really don't know why Kentucky is wanting to go this route (again). Anthony Grant has been credited for recruiting the "Band of Brothers" to Florida and since then Donovan's two classes have bowed out of the NIT back to back.

Donovan turned down the job two years ago and the only reason I can think that he would take it would be if there is pressure from the fans due to back to back NIT's.

My favorite would be Calipari. It would likely take a blank check to get him to come to Rupp, but I really can't see any reason he would want to leave Memphis. Brand new arena, loyal fans, and dominating a conference that really IMO is just as weak as the SEC right now.

BRM
03-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Travis Ford: The good is that he is a Kentucky boy with deep ties to the program and he would likely take the job if offered. He played under Pitino and his style of play is similar, which is what the fans ultimately want.

I've actually heard the opposite in that he's not particularly enamored with the UK job at this point in time. No one but Travis knows the absolute truth I suppose.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 10:15 AM
If not swearing at players is a requirement there isn't a hireable coach on the planet. I know Ford got picked up by a mic, but it is a minor miracle that it has never happened to K, Pitino, Huggs, etc., etc.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 10:25 AM
It's not really an either/or. An AD at Kentucky HAS to get mens basketball right. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be expected to do a good job managing the rest of the department as well. Yup yup. Agree totally.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 10:26 AM
If not swearing at players is a requirement there isn't a hireable coach on the planet. I know Ford got picked up by a mic, but it is a minor miracle that it has never happened to K, Pitino, Huggs, etc., etc.

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/tubbysmith.jpg

cumberlandreds
03-25-2009, 10:27 AM
You mean to tell me the cross country teams don't rake in major dollars for the athletic department?


They won a Cross Country national championship back in the 80's. So don't diss cross country. ;)

You need to be at least competitive in everything to help make the entire program a success. That's what Barnhart has tried to do. You just can't keep up one or two sports and let the others just hang on which is what was basically going on before he arrived. You may not have 24,000 watching a rifle match but if you are the AD you have to give it and all the sports their proper due to be successful.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 10:35 AM
http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/tubbysmith.jpg He didn't swear at players? Is that what you're saying?

BRM
03-25-2009, 10:51 AM
If not swearing at players is a requirement there isn't a hireable coach on the planet. I know Ford got picked up by a mic, but it is a minor miracle that it has never happened to K, Pitino, Huggs, etc., etc.

Don't tell me Coach Dab was actually guilty of swearing at a player or two back in his day. I'd be shocked to hear such news.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 10:57 AM
Don't tell me Coach Dab was actually guilty of swearing at a player or two back in his day. I'd be shocked to hear such news. Strangely enough, all 3 of the head coaches that I worked for were real devout Christian guys and I would have been canned asap. They were certainly exceptions to the rule though. Maybe the head coach at Liberty is available to come to UK?

BRM
03-25-2009, 11:00 AM
Strangely enough, all 3 of the head coaches that I worked for were real devout Christian guys and I would have been canned asap. They were certainly exceptions to the rule though. Maybe the head coach at Liberty is available to come to UK?

Shoot, I think every coach I played for through middle school and high school was guilty of the occasional swearing at a player. It goes with the territory. Let a guy beat you baseline and you're going to get a few colorful words thrown in your direction.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Shoot, I think every coach I played for through middle school and high school was guilty of the occasional swearing at a player. It goes with the territory. Let a guy beat you baseline and you're going to get a few colorful words thrown in your direction. I always appreciated that the guys I worked for tried to raise the level of "discourse" within their programs. It certainly required increased discipline on the part of the kids and an assistant coach or two. ;)

BRM
03-25-2009, 11:16 AM
I always appreciated that the guys I worked for tried to raise the level of "discourse" within their programs. It certainly required increased discipline on the part of the kids and an assistant coach or two. ;)

I bet so. FWIW, I have no issues with a coach and his staff refraining from swearing. None whatsoever. I just don't how they do it.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 11:20 AM
He didn't swear at players? Is that what you're saying?

It would surprise me if he did.

Tubby was always the "family man" who treated the players like they were his kids.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 11:35 AM
It would surprise me if he did. Tubby was always the "family man" who treated the players like they were his kids. I heard him at a couple clinics. He wasn't above a swear word or two, but I'd guess he refrained from directly swearing AT his players. Never saw him do it at practice either, but I only saw 2 and I would say he was on his best behavior.

BRM
03-25-2009, 11:50 AM
I hear Coach K is quite the potty mouth at his practices. Razor Shines will probably come in here and deny that though.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 11:56 AM
I hear Coach K is quite the potty mouth at his practices. Razor Shines will probably come in here and deny that though. I can verify that. He has nothing on Huggs though.

BRM
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
I can verify that. He has nothing on Huggs though.

John Chaney wasn't afraid to utter a few unmentionable words either.

dsmith421
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
I can verify that. He has nothing on Huggs though.

I've heard the all-time worst is Pat Summitt.

EDIT: Should clarify, maybe not for out-and-out obscenity, but in terms of scaring the crap out of players, referees, and the occasional bystander.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 12:11 PM
I've heard the all-time worst is Pat Summitt. EDIT: Should clarify, maybe not for out-and-out obscenity, but in terms of scaring the crap out of players, referees, and the occasional bystander. I have heard that too, but can't verify. The couple times I met her socially she was nice as nice could be.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 12:17 PM
John Chaney wasn't afraid to utter a few unmentionable words either. The crazy part about a Huggs practice is that players gave as good as they got. Chaney wouldn't go for that, I'd imagine.

BRM
03-25-2009, 12:37 PM
The crazy part about a Huggs practice is that players gave as good as they got. Chaney wouldn't go for that, I'd imagine.

Probably not. I've heard Bob Knight say he didn't mind if his players spoke out or fired back. But they better be right if they are going to do it.

WMR
03-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Texas football, Ohio State football, Indiana basketball, Kansas basketball. But that's not the point. Supporters of the University of Kentucky should care about how the softball and swim teams do if for no other reason than that they represent the state and the University and they shouldn't be a laughingstock. Which some of those lesser programs were in the past.

Of course, I agree with you. I'm just saying that if the basketball team is mismanaged, none of that other stuff counts for squat. You've GOT to get basketball correct at UK.

WMR
03-25-2009, 03:36 PM
He didn't swear at players? Is that what you're saying?

Actually Tubby could swear it up with the best of them. A couple buds have tickets regularly behind the UK bench and the Tubster can cuss just like everyone else.

Hoosier Red
03-25-2009, 03:41 PM
Probably not. I've heard Bob Knight say he didn't mind if his players spoke out or fired back. But they better be right if they are going to do it.

I'm looking at you Neil Reed.

WMR
03-25-2009, 03:46 PM
http://billyandmitch.wordpress.com/

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 04:09 PM
http://billyandmitch.wordpress.com/ If I had posted that you would have questioned my loyalty. ;)

BRM
03-25-2009, 04:10 PM
I'm looking at you Neil Reed.

:lol:

WMR
03-25-2009, 04:19 PM
If I had posted that you would have questioned my loyalty. ;)

:D

He raises valid points, IMO.

Now that he's here, he's our guy and if Mitch wants to get rid of him then he should accompany him out the door.

BRM
03-25-2009, 04:23 PM
Now that he's here, he's our guy and if Mitch wants to get rid of him then he should accompany him out the door.

The Kentucky fans I know pretty well wouldn't have much of an issue with Barnhart showing himself the door.

WMR
03-25-2009, 04:24 PM
The Kentucky fans I know pretty well wouldn't have much of an issue with Barnhart showing himself the door.

Since Mitch has been AD:

One elite eight

and...

a bunch of 2nd round exits.

Pretty riveting, huh?

Javy Pornstache
03-25-2009, 04:29 PM
Yup, Mitch needs to go as well, and he's walking on semi-soft eggshells at the moment as well. I am pretty sure he's not going to have much to do with the hiring of the new coach, even if he presents him in public at the press conference and everything, that'll be for show. He's losing some faith in the UKAA.

WMR
03-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Yup, Mitch needs to go as well, and he's walking on semi-soft eggshells at the moment as well. I am pretty sure he's not going to have much to do with the hiring of the new coach, even if he presents him in public at the press conference and everything, that'll be for show. He's losing some faith in the UKAA.

Yep, UK basketball means too much to too many people to be handled like another one of Mitch's pet projects.

Javy Pornstache
03-25-2009, 04:34 PM
It'd be nice if they could an AD that realizes the importance of UK basketball and what it means in the state of Kentucky and to the Big Blue Nation. It's nice to try to make it look like it wasn't a "good ol boy network" and reach elsewhere for that hire, but I am as baffled today as I was the day they brought MB in from Oregon State to be the new AD.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 05:25 PM
It'd be nice if they could an AD that realizes the importance of UK basketball and what it means in the state of Kentucky and to the Big Blue Nation. It's nice to try to make it look like it wasn't a "good ol boy network" and reach elsewhere for that hire, but I am as baffled today as I was the day they brought MB in from Oregon State to be the new AD.

Because Barnhardt was at Tennessee before he was at Oregon State. People in Tennessee are crazy about football like Kentucky fans are crazy about basketball.

I really think if Kentucky hits it off with the right coach, we could contend even as early as next season if things fall into place. It's baffling to me that Travis Ford can take a team that didn't even finish about .500 last season and turn them into an eight seed in the NCAA tournament. On the flip side, we have a coach who has progressively and fundamentally gotten worse.

The key phrase though is "if things fall into place". If Meeks, Patterson, and Orton leave, we could be staring at a major rebuilding process and starting all over again. Ford has some things going for him in that he knows Kentucky basketball but he is also lacking in the same areas that Gillispie is failing in (media).

WMR
03-25-2009, 05:26 PM
Wow you're still not getting why this team struggled this season, WV?

They finally execute the game plan versus CU and lookey what happens. Did BCG just re-remember how to coach? Don't think so.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 05:41 PM
Wow you're still not getting why this team struggled this season, WV?

They finally execute the game plan versus CU and lookey what happens. Did BCG just re-remember how to coach? Don't think so.

Mostly inexperience, but Gillispie has been at fault as well. His substitution patterns and insistence on leaving certain players to play leave a lot to be desired, among other things that have already been touched on.

I'm mostly pointing out how Oklahoma State was in worse shape when Ford took over and still managed to get an 8 seed in a lot better conference than what Kentucky is playing in.

It can be entirely possible that Kentucky could make a dramatic improvement with a coaching change. It's all dependent on 1. Who is hired and 2. Can he convince most everybody to stay on board?

WMR
03-25-2009, 05:44 PM
Who do you think should have played who hasn't?

Michael Porter? DeAndre is FINALLY showing GLIMPSES of being coachable.

Ramon Harris? Darius Miller has been given as many minutes as he has demonstrated being able to handle.

I don't see it.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 05:44 PM
I've also been reading that Jon Hood may be the most likely to opt out if Gillispie is fired, not Daniel Orton.

I find this hard to believe, since he is from Kentucky. Normally somebody coming out of state would be more likely to make a change instead of somebody in-state. The speculation is that if Ford comes to Kentucky, Hood will not.

WMR
03-25-2009, 05:47 PM
I would be incredibly disappointed if they hired Ford.

I don't want Donovan, but he'd probably be the best option available after BCG...

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 05:52 PM
I've also been reading that Jon Hood may be the most likely to opt out if Gillispie is fired, not Daniel Orton. I find this hard to believe, since he is from Kentucky. Normally somebody coming out of state would be more likely to make a change instead of somebody in-state. The speculation is that if Ford comes to Kentucky, Hood will not. And Hood and Ford are from the same hometown, yes? I don't care for Ford either. Maybe in a couple years, but... He would be about my 6th pick of the semi-realistic options right now.

jmac
03-25-2009, 06:01 PM
Though BCG sometimes baffles me with his coaching moves, any coach would and the same for a baseball manager.
As far as media relations, this is where BCG has really let me down.
Growing up...the UK call in shows as well as pre and post game radio shows have been a major part of UK basketball to me.
Joe Hall- Eddie Sutton-Slick Rick- & Tubby all had the savy that made listening to the shows fun.
With BG, I have listened to a part of two shows this season and that is all. I dont even listen to the pre and post game coaches show as I feel sorry for Leach as he has to ask the coach things "on pins and needles" as saying goes.

I was really glad Bob V was on the game the other night and pointed out to everyone that this is about more than wins/losses.
Obviously....he has insight to the situation being in the area.
I am not saying BG has to go but I certainly miss the enjoyment of listening to these shows and all things connected to UK in the media.
If he stays, I hope this part of his personality improves.

jmac
03-25-2009, 06:04 PM
I havent seen some of these links' articles but is Calapari even listed as a "possible" ?

WMR
03-25-2009, 06:04 PM
I agree Rocko. I think when UK is winning more basketball games--if BCG is still here--his personality will improve. haha.

Thanks for bringing up Bob V. Let me just say that Bob V. and John Saunders absolutely blow Dykes and Nessler out of the water. I mean those two shouldn't be allowed to claim the same profession as those two. What I would give to have those two as the primary crew for the SEC instead of Dykes and Nessler.

WMR
03-25-2009, 06:05 PM
I havent seen some of these links' articles but is Calapari even listed as a "possible" ?

I don't think so.

UK is scared of him b/c of his "shady" reputation and he's got maybe the best class in the modern history of recruiting coming in next season.

I don't see it at all.

jmac
03-25-2009, 06:10 PM
I don't think so.

UK is scared of him b/c of his "shady" reputation and he's got maybe the best class in the modern history of recruiting coming in next season.

I don't see it at all.

So do these articles basically make it seem like a two horse race with Donovan and Ford ? (all assuming BG is let go )

BTW....Let's beat them Irish ! :beerme:

WMR
03-25-2009, 06:14 PM
So do these articles basically make it seem like a two horse race with Donovan and Ford ? (all assuming BG is let go )

BTW....Let's beat them Irish ! :beerme:

That's what it seems like. I think it will be Donovan, from everything I am reading and hearing.

He will have the local media eating out of the palm of his hand and can certainly recruit UK... can likely retain the recruits as well.

I just really hate it for BCG. Many of his problems have been of his own making, but I really hate that he's not being given one more year to try and grow into the "OTHER" aspects of being the head coach at UK. Like I said, with the team UK would have next year under BCG he'd likely be a bit more affable and these things wouldn't matter 5% as much anyway. It is, obviously, a results driven business.

jmac
03-25-2009, 06:22 PM
That's what it seems like. I think it will be Donovan, from everything I am reading and hearing.

He will have the local media eating out of the palm of his hand and can certainly recruit UK... can likely retain the recruits as well.

I just really hate it for BCG. Many of his problems have been of his own making, but I really hate that he's not being given one more year to try and grow into the "OTHER" aspects of being the head coach at UK. Like I said, with the team UK would have next year under BCG he'd likely be a bit more affable and these things wouldn't matter 5% as much anyway. It is, obviously, a results driven business.
WMR , have you ever heard any reports on how he handled the media & such at A & M ? Of course, I am sure the UK job has more media dealings than A & M though.

Probably the early home losses ( VMI & Miami) put him behind the 8 ball right away this season as far as pressure he felt.

Javy Pornstache
03-25-2009, 06:31 PM
I havent seen some of these links' articles but is Calapari even listed as a "possible" ?

Nope, I don't think so, Lee Todd isn't a fan of Calipari. Many influential people wanted him last time, when Gillispie was hired, but Todd wouldn't budge. This time has been no different so far.

WMR
03-25-2009, 06:32 PM
WMR , have you ever heard any reports on how he handled the media & such at A & M ? Of course, I am sure the UK job has more media dealings than A & M though.

Probably the early home losses ( VMI & Miami) put him behind the 8 ball right away this season as far as pressure he felt.

He's always been a little surly and has never LIKED the media. When his team's aren't playing well he certainly doesn't get NICER. haha.

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 06:48 PM
I hate to burst your collective bubbles but Donovan is not going anywhere.

jmac
03-25-2009, 06:54 PM
He's always been a little surly and has never LIKED the media. When his team's aren't playing well he certainly doesn't get NICER. haha.


:laugh:

WMR
03-25-2009, 06:58 PM
Billy Donovan is disgusted with the apathy of the Florida fanbase towards their basketball team. That is a fact.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 07:02 PM
Sounds like Grant will get the Bama job. Quality of coaches in the conference continues to improve.

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 07:49 PM
Billy Donovan is disgusted with the apathy of the Florida fanbase towards their basketball team. That is a fact.

According to whom? Florida's fans are not apathetic. We may not match Kentucky's in terms of enthusiasm and support but who does? We have one of the most intimidating home environments in all of college basketball and our fanbase continues to grow. It doesn't happen overnight but we're getting there.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 07:53 PM
According to whom? Florida's fans are not apathetic. We may not match Kentucky's in terms of enthusiasm and support but who does? We have one of the most intimidating home environments in all of college basketball and our fanbase continues to grow. It doesn't happen overnight but we're getting there.

Going to the NIT back to back years and the football program overshadowing the basketball program would likely do it.

If anybody else got Tebowed in the SEC it would be Billy Donovan and the basketball team.

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 08:19 PM
Going to the NIT back to back years and the football program overshadowing the basketball program would likely do it.

If anybody else got Tebowed in the SEC it would be Billy Donovan and the basketball team.

Football success has nothing to do with basketball here. Nothing at all. It's not like the fans have to make a choice. The seasons don't really overlap and they're not competing with each other. In case you forgot, we won both the football and basketball NC's in 2006. No one was overshadowed then and no one is overshadowed now. 2009 was tough for us on the hardwood but we're primed for a big run next year. Billy's got one of the top classes in the country coming in next year and already has a commitment from who will probably end up being the top prep in 2011 in Austin Rivers (son of none other than Doc Rivers) and another certain top-20 player in Patric Young.

I know what Kentucky Basketball is and I know what the fans expect. I did not mind UK approaching BD in 07. I knew, regardless of the fact that every UK fan in the world had BD as a "done deal" as well as the internet legend of Christine Donovan being sighted shopping for houses in Lexington that he wasn't leaving. He politely said no and both parties moved on. No sweat. However, once Billy had his change-of-heart with the Magic, he said in the press conference that he loved the University of Florida and wanted to be the coach here as long as we'd have him. I am just amazed at the arrogance of the UK fans who think that, not even 2 years removed from trying and failing to land him once, that he'd simply come when called and that it's already a done deal again.

As I said before, I know what UK Basketball is. I definitely respect it and I wish our hoops fans were as passionate as yours. Maybe someday we will be. But you can keep the arrogance. You SHOULD keep Billy Gillespie. He's a good coach and can do great things there if he's given a chance. But what's happening to him right now is pathetic.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 08:34 PM
Football success has nothing to do with basketball here. Nothing at all. It's not like the fans have to make a choice. The seasons don't really overlap and they're not competing with each other. In case you forgot, we won both the football and basketball NC's in 2006. No one was overshadowed then and no one is overshadowed now. 2009 was tough for us on the hardwood but we're primed for a big run next year. Billy's got one of the top classes in the country coming in next year and already has a commitment from who will probably end up being the top prep in 2011 in Austin Rivers (son of none other than Doc Rivers) and another certain top-20 player in Patric Young.

I know what Kentucky Basketball is and I know what the fans expect. I did not mind UK approaching BD in 07. I knew, regardless of the fact that every UK fan in the world had BD as a "done deal" as well as the internet legend of Christine Donovan being sighted shopping for houses in Lexington that he wasn't leaving. He politely said no and both parties moved on. No sweat. However, once Billy had his change-of-heart with the Magic, he said in the press conference that he loved the University of Florida and wanted to be the coach here as long as we'd have him. I am just amazed at the arrogance of the UK fans who think that, not even 2 years removed from trying and failing to land him once, that he'd simply come when called and that it's already a done deal again.

As I said before, I know what UK Basketball is. I definitely respect it and I wish our hoops fans were as passionate as yours. Maybe someday we will be. But you can keep the arrogance. You SHOULD keep Billy Gillespie. He's a good coach and can do great things there if he's given a chance. But what's happening to him right now is pathetic.

Believe me when I say I (and probably most knowledgable Kentucky fans) agree with you. I honestly believe he deserves at least one more year. Unfortunately, it's his reluctance to be the "ambassador" for the program and his relationship not only with the national media, but the local media as well. I'm not talking about the New York Times wannabe Lexington Herald Leader either.

The only thing the Donovan speculation is going on from is on True Blue Kentucky and Marc Maggard. Of course, MM was also the one who said Patterson and Meeks would be going pro, only to have Patterson come out a couple days later to announce he was returning. His sources have been wrong before.

jmac
03-25-2009, 08:41 PM
Believe me when I say I (and probably most knowledgable Kentucky fans) agree with you. I honestly believe he deserves at least one more year. Unfortunately, it's his reluctance to be the "ambassador" for the program and his relationship not only with the national media, but the local media as well. I'm not talking about the New York Times wannabe Lexington Herald Leader either.



:beerme:

Agree on all points.

Reds4Life
03-25-2009, 08:42 PM
Believe me when I say I (and probably most knowledgable Kentucky fans) agree with you. I honestly believe he deserves at least one more year. Unfortunately, it's his reluctance to be the "ambassador" for the program and his relationship not only with the national media, but the local media as well. I'm not talking about the New York Times wannabe Lexington Herald Leader either.

The only thing the Donovan speculation is going on from is on True Blue Kentucky and Marc Maggard. Of course, MM was also the one who said Patterson and Meeks would be going pro, only to have Patterson come out a couple days later to announce he was returning. His sources have been wrong before.

I don't think a lot of UK fans understand if Billy Clyde is run out of town, after they ran Tubby Smith out of town, the job will be considered toxic by some in the coaching ranks. If Billy G is let go, you better already have somebody signed on the dotted line and ready to go, or I think you'll be very disappointed with the interest the job will get.

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 08:43 PM
He sure does need some PR training. I have seen him blow off sideline reporters at halftimes and give some very half-hearted post-game handshakes to other coaches.

His guys are fighting for him tonight, that's for sure. Making a game out of this. Go Big Blue!

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 08:44 PM
I don't think a lot of UK fans understand if Billy Clyde is run out of town, after they ran Tubby Smith out of town, the job will be considered toxic by some in the coaching ranks. If Billy G is let go, you better already have somebody signed on the dotted line and ready to go, or I think you'll be very disappointed with the interest the job will get.

I agree to some extent but the fact remains that Kentucky is Kentucky. There will always be talented coaches who would love the job, regardless of the circumstances.

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 08:45 PM
Am I crazy or is Luke Harangody one of the ugliest guys in CBB?

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Ohhhh man that was a bad turnover. Geez.

jmac
03-25-2009, 08:53 PM
Am I crazy or is Luke Harangody one of the ugliest guys in CBB?

Plus....he shoots a very awkward free-throw !

WMR
03-25-2009, 08:55 PM
The fellas never quit. Made some dumb mistakes... just like they have all year... but they didn't quit.

jmac
03-25-2009, 08:56 PM
Ohhhh man that was a bad turnover. Geez.
Two big plays sorta sums up the team this season.
Stevenson/Porter ( I think it was Porter) not on same page causing turnover stopping rally.
Porter fouling a jumpshot with 2 seconds on shotclock.

jmac
03-25-2009, 08:58 PM
The fellas never quit. Made some dumb mistakes... just like they have all year... but they didn't quit.
Yeah ..they did ! Plus playing on Monday probably didnt increase their chances not that they would have won but ya never know.

TheBigLebowski
03-25-2009, 09:00 PM
Two big plays sorta sums up the team this season.
Stevenson/Porter ( I think it was Porter) not on same page causing turnover stopping rally.
Porter fouling a jumpshot with 2 seconds on shotclock.

The Gators loss against Penn State last night was also a microcosm of their entire season. No rebounding, lack of perimeter defense and the inability to close out a close game. Tough year for both programs but we will rebuild and learn, I am sure.

Reds4Life
03-25-2009, 09:15 PM
I agree to some extent but the fact remains that Kentucky is Kentucky. There will always be talented coaches who would love the job, regardless of the circumstances.

Some will be interested sure, but not some of the names you see thrown around. I've heard Pitino this week, keep dreaming. Calapari.....he isn't leaving Memphis. If Billy goes, it will be the second coach in a row that was run out of town by delusional alumni and "fans", coaches notice.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 09:40 PM
He sure does need some PR training. I have seen him blow off sideline reporters at halftimes and give some very half-hearted post-game handshakes to other coaches.

It's not just the national media and other coaches. Two incidents that I believe are very telling of this situation.

In a postgame interview with Tom Leach, Kentucky's play by play announcer, Gillispie accused Leach of trying to get him to throw his players under the bus. To my knowledge there was nothing baiting about the question, it was a simple question about the players performance. Then Gillispie proceeded to do exactly that by mentioning Stevenson and Harrellson.

The second incident involved Rob Bromley, host of the Billy Gillispie television show. Bromley asked another question to Gillispie and Gillispie stated that he felt no reason to answer it, since Bromley had already formed his opinion. Bromley tried to smooth things over during the commercial break but Gillispie wouldn't budge.

I honestly believe Gillispie is in over his head right now. He hasn't exactly made friends in Lexington or in the national media and I think the pressure has taken a toll. Outside of mentioning Stevenson and Harrellson, the number one thing I remember after the loss to Gardner Webb was how Gillispie told the media not to blame the kids, but to put the loss on him.

Jimmy Dykes made some really good points tonight, and one of them had to do with Bill Keightley's influence last year. Gillispie and Keightley became very close before Keightley passed away and Dykes said Keightley may have been a factor in Gillispie making it through the Kentucky waters if he had been alive. Some things we will never know.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 09:45 PM
The fellas never quit. Made some dumb mistakes... just like they have all year... but they didn't quit. If they had played 5 minutes in the first half as hard as they played the last 5 minutes of the game... But twas not to be. I wish I could say I am sad it is over...

WVRed
03-25-2009, 09:53 PM
Some will be interested sure, but not some of the names you see thrown around. I've heard Pitino this week, keep dreaming. Calapari.....he isn't leaving Memphis. If Billy goes, it will be the second coach in a row that was run out of town by delusional alumni and "fans", coaches notice.

Any fan wanting Pitino is the equivalent of pulling a gallon of milk out of the refrigerator and seeing the expiration date is expired. Then instead of throwing it away, they put it back in and say "If I open this back up in a couple of days, maybe it will get better."

Actually, that may fit better for Donovan too.

Calipari is the one I would absolutely love to have. That being said, he has no reason to leave Memphis. He is in a city that is crazy about Memphis Tigers basketball, that shares an arena with an NBA team, and has a recruiting class that could possibly match up with the Thad/Fab Five.

If Gillispie goes, and it is looking that way, here are the names to expect to hear with the first two being the most likely(the names have for sure been linked in discussion, the commentary is mine):

Billy Donovan: I am more optimistic this time around, but also leary. Lebowski, no offense, but I really think Donovan misses Anthony Grant.

Travis Ford: would take it if Donovan didn't. IMO not ready, but the Kentucky ties will get him the job if he wants it.

Jamie Dixon: outside of Calipari, my pick. That being said, it would be a return to "Tubbyball".

Sean Miller: see Travis Ford minus the UK credentials.

Tom Izzo: No chance.

Rick Barnes: Will likely come out and turn down a contract right after Kentucky fires Gillispie even though no offer was made. Too much money to bring to Lexington and the track record in the tourney really isn't impressive.

Thad Matta: I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 09:55 PM
The Gators loss against Penn State last night was also a microcosm of their entire season. No rebounding, lack of perimeter defense and the inability to close out a close game. Tough year for both programs but we will rebuild and learn, I am sure.

I should mention trying to sound as unbiased as I can, even if the coaching changes don't take place, I think Florida will likely arrive again before Kentucky. I like what Donovan has going on with Boynton coming in and if somebody could take on a leadership role the Gators could be back in the NCAA next year.

Reds4Life
03-25-2009, 10:02 PM
Any fan wanting Pitino is the equivalent of pulling a gallon of milk out of the refrigerator and seeing the expiration date is expired. Then instead of throwing it away, they put it back in and say "If I open this back up in a couple of days, maybe it will get better."

Actually, that may fit better for Donovan too.

Calipari is the one I would absolutely love to have. That being said, he has no reason to leave Memphis. He is in a city that is crazy about Memphis Tigers basketball, that shares an arena with an NBA team, and has a recruiting class that could possibly match up with the Thad/Fab Five.

If Gillispie goes, and it is looking that way, here are the names to expect to hear with the first two being the most likely(the names have for sure been linked in discussion, the commentary is mine):

Billy Donovan: I am more optimistic this time around, but also leary. Lebowski, no offense, but I really think Donovan misses Anthony Grant.

Travis Ford: would take it if Donovan didn't. IMO not ready, but the Kentucky ties will get him the job if he wants it.

Jamie Dixon: outside of Calipari, my pick. That being said, it would be a return to "Tubbyball".

Sean Miller: see Travis Ford minus the UK credentials.

Tom Izzo: No chance.

Rick Barnes: Will likely come out and turn down a contract right after Kentucky fires Gillispie even though no offer was made. Too much money to bring to Lexington and the track record in the tourney really isn't impressive.

Thad Matta: I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

Don't see Dixon being interested in UK. He is a west coaster, and there are rumblings that he would be interested in the Arizona job. If he takes that job then Sean Miller is headed to Pitt, he's an alumni and former player there.

Agree on Calapari, he's got a sweet deal in Memphis. They pay him a truckload of cash, not much pressure, and can get an NCAA bid at will with CUSA being so weak. He's the king down there, and they bow at his feet.

For what it's worth, I don't get the Travis Ford thing. I agree, he isn't ready for a big time job, and has a lot to prove. Never understood why so many UK fans wanted him so badly.

WVRed
03-25-2009, 10:33 PM
Agree on Calapari, he's got a sweet deal in Memphis. They pay him a truckload of cash, not much pressure, and can get an NCAA bid at will with CUSA being so weak. He's the king down there, and they bow at his feet.


If Calipari could handle the pressure I honestly believe he could turn Kentucky into Memphis in the SEC. That is how weak the SEC is right now.

I did think it was funny though he made the comment that he needed to win 30 games at Memphis or people would put For Sale signs on his lawn.

dabvu2498
03-25-2009, 10:47 PM
If Calipari could handle the pressure I honestly believe he could turn Kentucky into Memphis in the SEC. That is how weak the SEC is right now. I did think it was funny though he made the comment that he needed to win 30 games at Memphis or people would put For Sale signs on his lawn. The SEC won't be down long. There are some very good coaches in this league now. Especially if UGa makes a good hire. Assuming Grant goes to Bama.