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OnBaseMachine
03-15-2009, 12:53 PM
REDS

Hopper 8
Dickerson 7
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Bruce 9
Encarnacion 5
Nix DH
Gonzalez 6
Hanigan 2

Cueto RHP

11larkin11
03-15-2009, 01:22 PM
Take out Nix and put in the pitcher, and sub Taveras for Hopper, and theres your OD lineup

jesusfan
03-15-2009, 01:33 PM
Take out Nix and put in the pitcher, and sub Taveras for Hopper, and theres your OD lineup

Except for Hernandez instead of Hanigan...

11larkin11
03-15-2009, 01:41 PM
Ah yes, missed that thanks.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 02:32 PM
Based on what I can tell, Hopper made an out, (.160 !!!), Dickerson singled and got thrown out stealing, and then Votto walked and Phillips made 3rd out.

0-0 Bottom 1

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Bottom of 1st, Cueto retires first 2 hitters, gives up a double to Bautista, walks Millar (Intentional?) and K's Rolen.

0-0 Top of 2

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 02:47 PM
Top 2 Bruce retired, EE K's Nix doubles, and Gonzalez retired.

0-0 going to Bottom of 2

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 02:48 PM
Bottom of 2

Lane retired
Snider K's
Barrett (.071) retired

0-0 Going to 3rd

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 02:59 PM
Top of 3

Hanigan retired, Hopper walked, Dickerson hit into DP

0-0 going to Bottom of 3

The scoring slump continues

BCubb2003
03-15-2009, 02:59 PM
Bottom of 1st, Cueto retires first 2 hitters, gives up a double to Bautista, walks Millar (Intentional?) and K's Rolen.

0-0 Top of 2

Seems odd to call for an intentional walk in spring training. Seems like pitchers would be working on going after good hitters, rather than working on their intentional walks.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:00 PM
That was total guess on my part

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Bottom 3

Adams singles
Inglett retired
Hill retired
Bautitsta singles
Millar retired

0-0 going to 4th

Cueto 3 innings 3 hits 1 BB 2 K's

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:20 PM
Reds break thru !!

Votto walks
Phillips singles
Bruce singles
EE makes out but drives in run, not a Sac Fly (grounder?)
Nix walks
Gonzales K's
Hanigan walks to force in a run
Hopper retired

2-0 Reds going to bottom of 4

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:21 PM
BTW, 3 walks and 2 singles and only 2 runs ain't great

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:34 PM
Blue Jays break thru

Rolen singles
Lane retired
Snider doubles
Barrett retired
Adams retires

2-1 Reds going to 5 (Bet Cueto is done) Cueto now has an ERA 1.29

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:40 PM
Top 5

Dickerson K's
Votto doubles 1-1 with 2 BB's
Phillips K's
Bruce K's

2-1 Reds going to bottom 5

BCubb2003
03-15-2009, 03:48 PM
JaxRed are you at the game?

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:54 PM
Bray limps in, has shaky inning, limps away

Inglett Singles
Inglett caught stealing
Hill walks
Bautista singles (3-3)
Millar retired
Rolen K's

2-1 Reds going to 6th

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 03:55 PM
JaxRed are you at the game?

No..... at home performing a public service. Went to yesterdays and going to Shuttle Launch tonight. I like Florida

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:10 PM
Reds score in 6th ! Subs coming in

EE singles
Barker PH's for Nix and walks
Gozales doubles driving in 1 (It was Barker you know)
Castillo PH's for Hannigan and hits into FC
McDonald PH's for Hopper and hits SF scoring the speedster Barker
Gomes PH's for Dickerson and pops up

4-1 Reds going to bottom of 6th

VR
03-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Masset punching his ticket for AAA?

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:25 PM
Masset punching his ticket for AAA?

Out of options so I think he becomes long guy......

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:27 PM
Bottom of 6th....

Lane HR's off future 2009 long man Massett
Snider retired
Barrett K's
Adams walks ........

delay...... pitching change?

Nope PH who K's

4-2 Reds going to 7

SirFelixCat
03-15-2009, 04:33 PM
At this point, I think it HAS to be clear that Massett is AT BEST the long man in the BP. Owings and Bailey have made him look like fodder (as has his own pitching, but you know what I mean).

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:34 PM
Ward in for Votto, retired. Now at Mendoza line
Janish in for Phillips retired
Jones in for Bruce retired. Now hitting .080 that is not a typo.....

4-2 Reds bottom of 7

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:35 PM
I don't think it's a coincidence that Massett is relieving and not starting this game

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:42 PM
Massett still "pitching"

Esmaus retired
Shoffit walks
Ruiz singles
Campbell singles RBI
Jeroloman K's
Sierra K's

4-3 Reds Goes to 8th

membengal
03-15-2009, 04:55 PM
I am tired of the Reds keeping sub-standard players because they are "out of options". I am not at all enthralled with Masset in the long relief role.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:55 PM
Top of 8th

Francisco K's
Barker K's
Keppy walks
I thnk McDonald K'd for last out, but not sure what happened to Castillo

Going to bottom of 8 4-3 Reds

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 04:56 PM
I am tired of the Reds keeping sub-standard players because they are "out of options". I am not at all enthralled with Masset in the long relief role.

Massett had 2.08 ERA for us last year. I can give him some slack.

membengal
03-15-2009, 05:00 PM
He's not a K an inning guy, he's been eminently hittable in his career, I just don't see why they hold a candle for him in that role. I would rather see Herrera be the 12th guy on the staff than Masset.

_Sir_Charles_
03-15-2009, 05:01 PM
I am tired of the Reds keeping sub-standard players because they are "out of options". I am not at all enthralled with Masset in the long relief role.

Agreed. If he continues to pitch sub-standard...dump him regardless of his contractual status or option status. We've got LOTS of options for pitchers who can easily replace him.

_Sir_Charles_
03-15-2009, 05:03 PM
He's not a K an inning guy, he's been eminently hittable in his career, I just don't see why they hold a candle for him in that role. I would rather see Herrera be the 12th guy on the staff than Masset.

IMO, the 12th guy would depend upon what they do with Homer & Micah. If they go with Homer, then Micah's the long man. If they go with Micah, Homer's in AAA and it opens up a slot for Roenicke, Herrera or even Ramirez.

OnBaseMachine
03-15-2009, 05:03 PM
4-3 Reds heading to the bottom of the 9th inning.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 05:07 PM
Top of 9

Gomes K's
Ward K's (now looking up a Mendoza line)
Janish retired

4-3 going to bottom of 9th in beautiful Dunedin Stadium (sarcasm)

osuceltic
03-15-2009, 05:09 PM
Massett had 2.08 ERA for us last year. I can give him some slack.

Yep, in more innings and against actual real-life competition.

Plus, we're still far removed from opening day. What if Masset's next 10 innings are lights out and Homer and Micah struggle? Shouldn't that trump the first 10 innings?

It's a few innings in spring training, people. Get a grip.

Chip R
03-15-2009, 05:11 PM
Jays score 1 in the bottom of the 9th and we go extras.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 05:13 PM
IMO, the 12th guy would depend upon what they do with Homer & Micah. If they go with Homer, then Micah's the long man. If they go with Micah, Homer's in AAA and it opens up a slot for Roenicke, Herrera or even Ramirez.

Trust me..... Micah is the guy barring a total collpase or injury, with Bailey going to AAA.

But Roenicke or Herrera make no sense as long men, and you want Rameriez in AAA as a starter.

You can send down those guys and not lose them. You send down Masset you've lost him forever. Jocketty liked this guy enough to trade for him, and he pitched well for us in regular season.

He's the long guy.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 05:14 PM
Jays score 1 in the bottom of the 9th and we go extras.

I hope that quells the Kennard for closer groundswell......

membengal
03-15-2009, 05:15 PM
Yep, in more innings and against actual real-life competition.

Plus, we're still far removed from opening day. What if Masset's next 10 innings are lights out and Homer and Micah struggle? Shouldn't that trump the first 10 innings?

It's a few innings in spring training, people. Get a grip.

Get a grip yourself. I'm just offering an opinion. And MY opinion is based on more than the 17 whole innings he threw in Cincy in September. Please.

He DID have a track record prior to being dealt for the corpse of Griffey, Jr.

membengal
03-15-2009, 05:17 PM
Masset BABIP:

2007 (White Sox): .362
2008 (White Sox): .364
2008 (Reds): .265

One of those things is not like the others. And I would submit that the one in Cincy is because he had half the innings as the other major league outings. Sample size, don't you know.

Chip R
03-15-2009, 05:18 PM
I hope that quells the Kennard for closer groundswell......


That must have been way underground. He didn't even do the job as spring closer well. If he had, he would have given up 2 instead of 1.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 05:19 PM
That must have been way underground. He didn't even do the job as spring closer well. If he had, he would have given up 2 instead of 1.

Hmmm where's that darn smiley face?

VR
03-15-2009, 05:20 PM
Trust me..... Micah is the guy barring a total collpase or injury, with Bailey going to AAA.

But Roenicke or Herrera make no sense as long men, and you want Rameriez in AAA as a starter.

You can send down those guys and not lose them. You send down Masset you've lost him forever. Jocketty liked this guy enough to trade for him, and he pitched well for us in regular season.

He's the long guy.

I didn't realize he had no options....that makes sense for a roster spot barring a trade.

While one shouldn't jump to conclusions based on a slow start to the spring....the guy is turning 27 in May, and outside of those 17 innings last year, hasn't done anything in his minor league career to make one believe he can be a viable long term option. 31-49 minor league record with a 6.4 k rate and 1.46 whip...bleh.

membengal
03-15-2009, 05:21 PM
No, VR, no, those 17 innings were gold, baby, gold.

Chip R
03-15-2009, 05:22 PM
Jays win on a HR.

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 05:23 PM
If he pitches poorly as long man in regular season, by all means waive him, and don't take long to do it. But I'd give him that chance, and I bet the Reds will too.

OK, ladies and germs..... I'm off to watch a shuttle launch It's up to you to bring the Mudcats victory home......

JaxRed
03-15-2009, 05:24 PM
Jays win on a HR.

Or not....

membengal
03-15-2009, 05:25 PM
They didn't? I turned it off w/ Brantley's call...

VR
03-15-2009, 05:26 PM
If he pitches poorly as long man in regular season, by all means waive him, and don't take long to do it. But I'd give him that chance, and I bet the Reds will too.

OK, ladies and germs..... I'm off to watch a shuttle launch It's up to you to bring the Mudcats victory home......

thanks for the pbp Jax.

VR
03-15-2009, 05:29 PM
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PuffyPig
03-15-2009, 05:44 PM
Masset BABIP:

2007 (White Sox): .362
2008 (White Sox): .364
2008 (Reds): .265

One of those things is not like the others. And I would submit that the one in Cincy is because he had half the innings as the other major league outings. Sample size, don't you know.


You do understand that his 2007 and 2008 BABIP for the WS were very unlucky?

PuffyPig
03-15-2009, 05:52 PM
Agreed. If he continues to pitch sub-standard...dump him regardless of his contractual status or option status. We've got LOTS of options for pitchers who can easily replace him.

You can't always simply dump guys who are out of options because they have peformed poorly in ST.

I bet that the Indians wish they hadn't rushed to judgement on Brandon Phillips.

You can pick up a lot of talent at the end of ST if you look at who's out of options.

Having said that, Masset does nothing for me.

membengal
03-15-2009, 06:11 PM
You do understand that his 2007 and 2008 BABIP for the WS were very unlucky?


BABIP in his minors outings since 06 ranged from .321 - .377

You do understand what a pattern is, don't you?

He's 27 with no history of any kind of success. He doesn't miss bats. His fast balla, she's a straighta. The parallels between he and Phillips are that they are both human and play baseball. After that commonality is acknowledged, your effort to draw a comparison between the two is laughable.

_Sir_Charles_
03-16-2009, 02:22 PM
You can't always simply dump guys who are out of options because they have peformed poorly in ST.

I bet that the Indians wish they hadn't rushed to judgement on Brandon Phillips.

You can pick up a lot of talent at the end of ST if you look at who's out of options.

Having said that, Masset does nothing for me.

Oh, I agree. I was talking specifically about Masset. We've just got too many OTHER options with just as much (if not MORE) upside as Masset. I don't see much of a need for him in our bullpen this season.