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nate
04-02-2009, 12:55 PM
I know next to nothing about the Astros' farm system other than it's bad. Maybe we can get some discussion going on who we might get back for Country Kep. I'm thinking since the return is unlikely to be "oh wow, we got HIM?!?!!", this will be quite a challenge.

texasdave
04-02-2009, 01:00 PM
In the Sundeck thread on the Keppinger trade it is strongly suggested that Drew Sutton is that player. There is even a quote by Dusty supporting that.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/1591287

Also, article about and video of Drew Sutton:

http://baseball.blogdig.net/archives/articles/February2009/13/Astros_Minor_League_Profile___Drew_Sutton.html

nate
04-02-2009, 01:06 PM
Hey, Dave! Interesting. I found this (http://www.crookedpitch.com/390/drew-sutton-looking-to-crash-astros-party-in-2009/) article on him:


Second base prospect Drew Sutton spent the entire 2008 season in Double-A Corpus Christi for the Astros hitting fairly well. His slash stats were .317/.408/.523 and he hit 39 doubles, 20 home runs, and knocked in 69 in 520 at-bats. But, its his sick 41 at-bats in the Arizona Fall League that are causing folks to think about Sutton as an addition to the Astros big club in 2009.

In 41 at-bats at the AFL, Sutton is batting .463/.579/.927 (read:1.506 OPS), has five doubles, four home runs and 14 RBI. Hes impressing Astros brass with his plate discipline and glove work, and his AFL manager feels hes hitting himself onto the Astros club in 2009.

Said Scottsdale manager Shane Turner, Hes shown more power that youd think would come out of that body. He has a pretty good idea of the strike zone.

Turner said Sutton also has impressed on defense. Because Astros outfielder Brian Bogusevic missed time early in the season because of a tweaked hamstring, Sutton was asked to play in the outfield. He played four games in center, four at third and three at short.

Its a hard thing when you move around as much as he does, Turner said. But his bat is going to find a position for him. When you make a mistake to him, hes not going to miss it.

Sutton is a natural second baseman, but he did play shortstop and third base in 2008. If he continues on this torrid pace, the Astros could give him a chance to win the third base job in Spring Training. These are all big ifs, but Sutton should be on your radar from this point forward.

Here's some stat salad:



Year Age Tm Lg Lvl Aff G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS SB% SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2004 21 TRC NYP A- HOU 63 250 43 70 10 0 1 16 39 50 .280 .377 .332 .709 2 4 33%
2005 22 TOT 105 379 68 104 24 3 16 54 65 85 .274 .389 .480 .869 8 5 62% 1 1 2 7 8
LEX SAL A HOU 62 231 46 66 19 2 13 42 36 51 .286 .394 .554 .948 4 2 67% 1 1 1 6 5
SAL CAR A+ HOU 43 148 22 38 5 1 3 12 29 34 .257 .382 .365 .747 4 3 57% 0 0 1 1 3
2006 23 SAL CAR A+ HOU 125 456 65 120 27 2 15 48 69 84 .263 .360 .430 .790 20 15 57% 17 6 6 3 7
2007 24 CCH TEX AA HOU 128 480 81 129 28 1 9 53 57 86 .269 .351 .388 .739 24 5 83% 8 6 3 7 11
2008 25 CCH TEX AA HOU 133 520 102 165 39 4 20 69 76 98 .317 .408 .523 .931 20 7 74% 1 3 3 6 8
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1 Season A- 63 250 43 70 10 0 1 16 39 50 .280 .377 .332 .709 2 4 33%
1 Season A 62 231 46 66 19 2 13 42 36 51 .286 .394 .554 .948 4 2 67% 1 1 1 6 5
2 Seasons A+ 168 604 87 158 32 3 18 60 98 118 .262 .365 .414 .779 24 18 57% 17 6 7 4 10
2 Seasons AA 261 1000 183 294 67 5 29 122 133 184 .294 .381 .458 .839 44 12 79% 9 9 6 13 19
+-----------------+---+--------+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
5 Seasons 554 2085 359 588 128 10 61 240 306 403 .282 .377 .441 .818 74 36 67% 27 16 14 23 34
+-----------------+------------+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+

nate
04-02-2009, 01:08 PM
Lol, from the article you linked to:


Reds likely to get Sutton in deal: Reds manager Dusty Baker said during pregame warmups Wednesday that the Reds could get 25-year-old shortstop Drew Sutton from the Astros in the deal for Jeff Keppinger. Sutton hit .317 with 20 homers and 69 RBI in 133 games for Double-A Corpus Christi last season. "We get a player to be named later, and I assume it's going to be him," Baker said. "The Astros told me he has good skills, good talent and good speed. They told me he's a ballplayer."

That's good news! These bankers and pastry chefs just aren't cutting it.

Patrick Bateman
04-02-2009, 01:31 PM
I like the fact that the guy has gotten on base at basically every level. Looks like a bit of a late bloomer, and a chance to be an asset as a utility infielder on the cusp of the majors.

schmidty622
04-02-2009, 01:32 PM
Am I the only one that thinks it would be a steal if we got this guy back for Kepp?

A guy with speed, pop, the ability to get on base, and play multiple positions? Sounds like Keppinger 2.0

bounty37h
04-02-2009, 01:50 PM
^Schmidty, I agree with ya on this one!

OnBaseMachine
04-02-2009, 01:51 PM
I would be very surprised if the Reds got Drew Sutton in return for Keppinger. IMO, it would be a huge steal. As others have pointed out, he worked on his swing last year and it paid huge dividends, as he went on to hit .317/.408/.523 - .931 in Double-A while stealing 20 bases and hitting 20 homers. He's also considered a solid defensive second baseman. He's always showed decent power and on-base skills but last year he finally put it all together at the plate. As an added plus, he's a switch-hitter.

I'm hoping like crazy that he's the PTBNL but I would be very surprised if he is.

nate
04-02-2009, 02:06 PM
Am I the only one that thinks it would be a steal if we got this guy back for Kepp?

Nope!


A guy with speed, pop, the ability to get on base, and play multiple positions? Sounds like Keppinger 2.0

He seems like a good hitter. And he seemingly has much better plate discipline than Kep along with some pop.

Now, one of the linked articles did mention that they thought his glove was a little suspect. However, they did also say that his bat would take him to the big leagues.

So from the Astros POV, what makes Sutton expendable for Kep?

OnBaseMachine
04-02-2009, 02:11 PM
Now, one of the linked articles did mention that they thought his glove was a little suspect. However, they did also say that his bat would take him to the big leagues.


He's suspect at shortstop and third base, but Kevin Goldstein says he's a solid defensive second baseman.

lollipopcurve
04-02-2009, 02:16 PM
Sutton would be a surprisingly good get for Keppinger.

TRF
04-02-2009, 02:31 PM
A guy with speed, pop, the ability to get on base, and play multiple positions? Sounds like Keppinger 2.0

That actually sounds nothing like Kepp, as Kepp only played multiple positions because he was told to, not because he could.

Sutton seems more of a complete player to me. I wonder how good he is defensively?

Phil in BG
04-02-2009, 02:47 PM
The only thing that makes any sense is that Kepp is further along than Sutton. The Stros must feel Keppinger can help right away. At any rate, if this is the trade, I'll take it any day.

Handofdeath
04-02-2009, 02:52 PM
If it's Sutton then Walt Jocketty is proving once again why he's one of the best GM's in the game.

Handofdeath
04-02-2009, 03:02 PM
That actually sounds nothing like Kepp, as Kepp only played multiple positions because he was told to, not because he could.

Sutton seems more of a complete player to me. I wonder how good he is defensively?

From the Baseball Cube

2008

Fielding Pct.

2B .968
SS .906
3B .896

Brutal, absolutely brutal

nate
04-02-2009, 03:14 PM
From the Baseball Cube

2008

Fielding Pct.

2B .968
SS .906
3B .896

Brutal, absolutely brutal

I'm not sure Fpct tells a complete story for defense. Then again, I'm not sure the minors track the same array of D-stats as they do for the big leagues.

Here are the numbers I saw from TBC:



Totals
Level Pos G Fpct
Minor 1B 2 1.000
Minor 2B 376 0.973
Minor 3B 114 0.938
Minor SS 41 0.947


One of the articles linked above mentioned that he had some timing issues turning the DP while playing 2b.

camisadelgolf
04-02-2009, 03:17 PM
I read somewhere (not a good source) that Sutton was offered at one point but later pulled back.

Mario-Rijo
04-02-2009, 03:59 PM
If it's Sutton then Walt Jocketty is proving once again why he's one of the best GM's in the game.

IDK about that, but it definitely would prove once again that Ed wade isn't one of the best.

Mario-Rijo
04-02-2009, 04:12 PM
I read somewhere (not a good source) that Sutton was offered at one point but later pulled back.

And based on that I submit this kid:

Tommy Manzella SS

Full Name: Thomas Samuel Manzella
Born: 04/16/1983
Birthplace: Chalmette, LA
College: Tulane
Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 190
Bats: R
Throws: R

'08 Season

Team Lg. AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
COR TEX .299 54 224 27 67 11 5 4 34 100 17 35 4 4 .346 .446 .792
ROU PCL .219 61 228 19 50 15 1 0 15 67 17 39 0 4 .273 .294 .567
Minors .259 115 452 46 117 26 6 4 49 167 34 74 4 8 .310 .369 .679



Began this season ('07) with a promotion to Class A Advanced Salem of the Carolina League...shortstop was rated the best defensive infielder and best infield arm in the Astros system by Baseball America coming into 2007...scored a run in his Salem debut on April 5 against Frederick...hit .238 without a home run, but was promoted to Double-A Corpus Christi on June 23...went 4-for-5 with a pair of runs and an RBI on Aug. 13 against Springfield...hit .333 against lefties....batted .289 at Double-A... joined Mesa of the Arizona Fall League and hit .302 with four RBIs in 16 fall games.

nate
04-02-2009, 04:15 PM
Some more stat salad on Manzella:



Year Age Tm Lg Lvl Aff G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS SB% SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2005 22 TRC NYP A- HOU 53 220 24 51 6 4 0 18 9 39 .232 .260 .295 .555 5 3 63% 2 2 0 0 7
2006 23 LEX SAL A HOU 99 338 50 93 22 1 7 43 33 80 .275 .340 .408 .748 16 8 67% 8 5 1 3 12
2007 24 TOT 121 451 63 119 25 3 1 39 38 70 .264 .324 .339 .663 15 4 79% 11 2 0 3 7
SAL CAR A+ HOU 57 223 28 53 13 0 0 24 19 30 .238 .305 .296 .601 5 2 71% 5 1 0 3 3
CCH TEX AA HOU 64 228 35 66 12 3 1 15 19 40 .289 .343 .382 .725 10 2 83% 6 1 0 0 4
2008 25 CCH TEX AA HOU 54 224 27 67 11 5 4 34 17 35 .299 .346 .446 .792 4 4 50% 3 4 0 1 7
ROU PCL AAA HOU 61 228 19 50 15 1 0 15 17 39 .219 .273 .294 .567 0 4 0% 2 0 0 0 7
+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1 Season A- 53 220 24 51 6 4 0 18 9 39 .232 .260 .295 .555 5 3 63% 2 2 0 0 7
1 Season A 99 338 50 93 22 1 7 43 33 80 .275 .340 .408 .748 16 8 67% 8 5 1 3 12
1 Season A+ 57 223 28 53 13 0 0 24 19 30 .238 .305 .296 .601 5 2 71% 5 1 0 3 3
2 Seasons AA 118 452 62 133 23 8 5 49 36 75 .294 .344 .414 .758 14 6 70% 9 5 0 1 11
1 Season AAA 61 228 19 50 15 1 0 15 17 39 .219 .273 .294 .567 0 4 0% 2 0 0 0 7
+-----------------+---+--------+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+
4 Seasons 388 1461 183 380 79 14 12 149 114 263 .260 .314 .358 .672 40 23 63% 26 13 1 7 40
+-----------------+------------+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+

nate
04-02-2009, 04:16 PM
I dunno, M-R...don't we already have this guy in Paul Janish?

OnBaseMachine
04-02-2009, 04:27 PM
Manzella is the Astros version of Paul Janish.

Nate beat me to it.

Handofdeath
04-02-2009, 04:53 PM
Manzella is the Astros version of Paul Janish.

Nate beat me to it.

Except Janish has more power, which should tell you something about Manzella's stick.

dfs
04-02-2009, 07:10 PM
Drew Sutton would be a steal.
From organizational need, that Clemens kid would be an interesting pick up.
We've got a ton of shortstop types. A catcher that can hit would be something new in this minor league system.

Mario-Rijo
04-02-2009, 07:14 PM
I dunno, M-R...don't we already have this guy in Paul Janish?

Well yeah but it's possible he unlike Paul has something that can be tweaked/fixed to improve his game. In other words Paul is lacking talent (specifically bat speed), maybe Manzella has a technical issue in his approach or swing. I know that's a reach but hey it's the Astros not much there to like.

JayBruceFan
04-03-2009, 12:10 AM
I would be happy with Brian Bogusevic

HokieRed
04-03-2009, 09:10 AM
I don't understand what the Astros would be trying to achieve by trading us Sutton for Kepp. He looks like a better version of Keppinger right now.

lollipopcurve
04-03-2009, 09:26 AM
I doubt it's Sutton. My guess is a decent arm with issues (iffy control, injury history, something like that).

TRF
04-03-2009, 10:21 AM
Don't be overly surprised if it's a guy like Chance Douglass. Pretty decent numbers in 2007, regressed in 2008. He was a late round pick, but they gave him a big bonus not to go to college. I think his ETA is likely 2010, but he could get a Sept callup with the Astros.

Handofdeath
04-03-2009, 04:56 PM
I don't know why it couldn't be Sutton. The Astros are getting a player who has played in 571 minor league games and hit .322 and he's hit pretty well at the MLB level (.287). Not to mention he can play every infield position and the OF. Sounds like the Reds should be able to get a pretty good AA-AAA player out of that.

GIDP
04-03-2009, 05:00 PM
Id have to think we would get someone around the level of talent of Rosales but with less of a bat.

fisch11
04-05-2009, 08:11 PM
If indeed it ends up being Sutton, then I am THOROUGHLY convinced that Walk hypnotized the Astros front office. No doubt about it.

Caveat Emperor
04-05-2009, 08:21 PM
I would be happy with Brian Bogusevic

He was a teammate of Micah Owings on the 2005 Green Wave squad -- as was the previously mentioned Manzella.

nate
04-16-2009, 03:14 PM
We'll know soon (http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ab946ee3f-0498-47d2-8a0c-e9a048bf8f59&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com):


Walt Jocketty said the Reds know who they are getting for Jeff Keppinger.

"We'll probably announce it this week," he said.

When the deal was made, Jocketty said the player-to-be-named was a minor leaguer. He wouldn't say that Wednesday. So I guess there's a chance it's a big league player. I believe the Reds need to clear a spot on the 40-man, if that's the case.

Some of the things mentioned in the comments on the previous post are in the off-day story.

GIDP
04-16-2009, 04:10 PM
Drew Sutton is on their 40 man.

nate
04-16-2009, 04:14 PM
Kep for Drew Sutton could make me get a Walt Jocketty temporary tattoo from a first year tattoo artist.

The_jbh
04-16-2009, 06:14 PM
Fay is announcing on Twitter that its Sutton

http://twitter.com/johnfayman

nate
04-16-2009, 06:16 PM
Fay is announcing on Twitter that its Sutton

http://twitter.com/johnfayman

Wow...seems like a good trade to me.

GIDP
04-16-2009, 06:18 PM
Did they lose Richar or did he just get off the 40 man.

OnBaseMachine
04-16-2009, 06:18 PM
Danny Richar was removed from the 40-man roster to make room for Sutton. Sutton will report to Louisville according to Fay.

Nice trade by Jocketty.

JKam
04-16-2009, 06:19 PM
What does Sutton's addition do to Valaika?

The_jbh
04-16-2009, 06:19 PM
CTrent is on it too

http://twitter.com/ctrent


Fay says that Sutton will report to Louisville... now what does that mean for Valaika? He was supposedly making a permanent move to second?

Lockdwn11
04-16-2009, 06:22 PM
Wow sounds like a good trade. Will he be playing 2nd or SS for the bats?

OnBaseMachine
04-16-2009, 06:31 PM
CTrent is on it too

http://twitter.com/ctrent


Fay says that Sutton will report to Louisville... now what does that mean for Valaika? He was supposedly making a permanent move to second?

Valaika has played every game at shortstop. It looks like the Reds changed their mind about moving him to second base.

OnBaseMachine
04-16-2009, 06:32 PM
Reds get IF Sutton in trade
Posted by NickHurm at 4/16/2009 5:12 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

From Reds Director of Media Relations Rob Butcher:

CINCINNATI - Cincinnati Reds President of Baseball Operations and General Manager Walt Jocketty today announced IF Drew Sutton as the player to be named later in the March 31 trade that sent IF Jeff Keppinger to the Houston Astros.

Sutton will report to Class AAA Louisville. To make room on the Reds' 40-man roster, IF Danny Richar was outrighted to Louisville.

Sutton, 25, last season was named Class AA Corpus Christi's Most Valuable Player after hitting .317 with 20 HR and 69 RBI. He was named a Texas League mid-season and post-season All-Star and led all Astros minor leaguers in batting average, hits (165), runs (102), walks (76), doubles (39) and extra-base hits (63).

Prior to this season, Sutton was named the Astros eighth-best prospect by Baseball America. In 5 games so far this season at Class AAA Round Rock he was hitting .267 with 2 RBI.

Sutton originally was selected by the Astros in the 15th round of the June 2004 draft.

Prior to the trade, Keppinger hit .140 with 1 RBI in 21 games for the Reds this spring.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3aafe1f4d2-355e-4abb-9ae4-2e3f993624ca&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

camisadelgolf
04-16-2009, 10:11 PM
As an added bonus, I believe Kepp is eligible for arbitration after this season, so it could end up saving the Reds some money.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-17-2009, 10:27 AM
Drew Sutton is on their 40 man.

This is simply awesome news.

What a great trade. I have no idea what the Astros were thinking.

Cooper
04-24-2009, 01:41 PM
Ok -i think this is interesting --today in Rob Neyer's column he links to an article about Ben Zobrist's increase in power....he began working with a guy named Jamie Cevallos and site's his work with him as helpful....very helpful. He began working with him between the 2007-2008 seasons. Also, it appears that Sutton did the same thing.

What's interesting is that both had increased numbers for 08 in a big way. Is this Cevallos guy on to something? Is young Drew an improving hitter that could keep improving -even though he is 25?

I'm terrible at posting links -but the info is in Neyer's column. He links to an article about Zobrist. It may be worth a couple of minutes to check it out. Both guys had big jumps in their numbers.