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Raisor
01-08-2003, 06:14 PM
Since I'm a glutton for punishment, here are my official 2003 standings/playoff predictions. (Someone archive this badboy)

AMERICAN LEAGUE
EAST
1. Boston
2. New York
3. Toronto
4. Baltimore
5. Tampa Bay

Central
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago
3. Cleveland
4. Detroit
5. Kansas City

West
1. Oakland
2. Seattle (Wild Card)
3. Texas
4. Anaheim

Oakland over Boston
Seattle over Minnesota

Oakland over Seattle

NATIONAL LEAGUE
East
1. Philadelphia
2. New York
3. Montreal
4. Atlanta
5. Florida

Central
1. St Louis
2. Houston (Wild Card)
3. Chicago
4. Cincinnati
5. Pittsburg
6. Milwaukee

West
1. San Fransisco
2. San Diego
3. Arizona
4. Los Angeles
5. Colorado

St Louis over Philly
San Fran over Houston

San Fran over St Louis

World Series
Oakland over San Fran

TRF
01-08-2003, 06:19 PM
I think the Cards are in for a surprise. Their rotation doesn't look that strong. Seattle looks to have a major fall this year IMO anaheim repeats. Watch out for the Padres (sleeper pick) I like Towers as a GM. Toronto and the White Sox could surprise in the AL.

Of course the Reds go wire to wire and win it all :thumbup:

BTW thanks for the SS discussion. I haven't goofed off at work like this in months.

letsgojunior
01-08-2003, 06:25 PM
AL EAST
Yankees
Boston (WC)
Toronto
Baltimore
Devil Rays

AL CENTRAL
Minnesota
White Sox
Indians
Royals
Tigers

AL WEST
Oakland
Seattle
Anaheim
Texas

NL EAST
Philly
Atlanta (WC)
Mets
Montreal
Florida

NL CENTRAL
Houston
Cards
Cubs
Reds
Pirates
Milwaukee

NL WEST
Giants
Arizona
LA
San Diego
Colorado

World Series: Yankees over Braves

Red Leader
01-08-2003, 06:32 PM
Here's mine:

American League:
EAST
1. New York
2. Boston (wild card)
3. Toronto
4. Baltimore
5. Tampa Bay

CENTRAL
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago
3. Cleveland
4. Detroit
5. Kansas City

WEST
1. Oakland
2. Anaheim
3. Seattle
4. Texas

Oakland over Boston
New York over Minnesota

Oakland over New York

National League
EAST
1. Atlanta
2. Philadephia (wild card)
3. New York
4. Florida
5. Montreal

CENTRAL
1. Houston
2. St. Louis
3 Cincinnati (tie)
3. Chicago
5. Pittsburgh
6. Milwaukee

WEST
1. San Francisco
2. Arizona
3. Los Angeles
4. San Diego
5. Colorado

Philadelphia over San Fransisco
Atlanta over Houston

Philadelphia over Atlanta

WORLD SERIES

Oakland over Philadelphia in 6.

TeamSelig
01-08-2003, 07:52 PM
Its almost impossible to predict the standings before ST but just for laughs here goes.....

AMERICAN LEAGUE
EAST
1. New York
2. Boston (WC)
3. Toronto
4. Tampa Bay
5. Baltimore

Central
1. Minnesota
2. Cleveland
3. Chicago
4. Detroit
5. Kansas City

West
1. Oakland
2. Anaheim
3. Texas
4. Seattle

Boston over Oakland
NY over Minnesota
NY over Boston

NATIONAL LEAGUE
East
1. Atlanta
2. Philadelphia(WC)
3. Montreal
4. Florida
5. New York

Central (good race in the top 4)
1. Houston
2. Chicago
3. St. Louis
4. Cincinnati
5. Pittsburgh
6. Milwaukee

West
1. Arizona
2. San Fransisco
3. Los Angeles
4. San Diego
5. Colorado

Arizona over Philly
Atlanta over Houston
Arizona over Atlanta

World Series
NY over Arizona

Rematch but this time NY is ready.... I dunno if theres much of a chance that this will happen, but lets pray to god NY wins it because I believe that George will (if they keep losing) will keep adding and adding until the payroll is in the billions

bthomasiscool
01-08-2003, 08:09 PM
all u need to know....REDS WIN WORLD SERIES IN 5 OVER OAKLAND

EmtyRedsFan
01-08-2003, 08:28 PM
AL

EAST

New York
Boston (WC)
Baltimore
Toronto
Tampa Bay

CENTRAL

Minnesota
Chicago
Cleveland
Kansas City
Detroit

WEST

Oakland
Anaheim
Seattle
Texas

NL

EAST

Atlanta
Philadelphia
New York
Montreal
Florida

CENTRAL

Houston
St.Louis
Cincinnati
Chicago
Pittsburgh
Milwaukee

WEST

Arizona
SF
Los Angeles
Colorado
San Diego

No Playoff Predictions from me....

ramp101
01-08-2003, 08:42 PM
AL

EAST

New York
Toronto
Boston
Baltimore
Tampa Bay

CENTRAL

Chicago
Minnesota (WC)
Cleveland
Kansas City
Detroit

WEST

Oakland
Seattle
Anaheim
Texas

NL

EAST

Atlanta
Florida(wc)
New York
Philadelphia
Montreal


CENTRAL

Houston
Cincinnati
St.Louis
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Milwaukee

WEST

Los Angeles
Arizona
San Diego
SF
Colorado

red-in-la
01-08-2003, 08:51 PM
Did I accidentally logon to the National Sportswriter's forum? You guys don't give the Reds much credit.

Old Red Guard
01-09-2003, 02:58 AM
AL East
New York
Boston (WC)
Toronto
Baltimore
Tampa Bay

AL Central
Minnesota
Chicago
Cleveland
Detroit
Kansas City

AL West
Oakland
Texas
Anaheim
Seattle

Boston over Oakland
New York over Minnesota

Boston over New York

NL East
Atlanta
Puerto Rico RoughRiders
Philadelphia
Florida
New York

NL Central
Houston
Cincinnati (WC)
Saint Louis
Chicago
Pittsburgh
Milwaukee

NL West
Arizona
Los Angeles
San Diego
San Francisco
Colorado

Cincinnati over Arizona
Atlanta over Houston

Cincinnati over Atlanta

Cincinnati over Boston in 7


That's my insanity and I'm sticking to it

Raisor
01-09-2003, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by red-in-la
Did I accidentally logon to the National Sportswriter's forum? You guys don't give the Reds much credit.

What exactly have the Reds done that makes you think they'll be able to catch the Cards, Astros, and/or Cubs?

All three of those teams are arguably stronger then when the season ended and the Reds are weaker.

Red Thunder
01-09-2003, 10:48 AM
Predicting a third or fourth place finish for the Reds is in my opinion already optimistic.


The key points, why the Reds won't be competive:

1) No solid starting pitching (2 starters even have yet to be named - Haynes was luckier but not better than in 2001 when he lost 17 games)
2) Only one durable starter (Dempster)
3) Average bullpen
4) Unproven closer (Williamson)
5) Best relief pitcher (White) likely to get traded to shed payroll
6) Average overall defense
7) Little team speed
8) No true leadoff hitter
9) Junior's production & health remain questionable
10) Offensive production from catchers have to improve
11) Team carries & pays two useless players: Castro & Stinnett

and at least for some here another negative point

12) Bob Boone is the manager
(maybe that's a good thing afterall?!)



The Reds rotation still needs a radical overhaul. Trying Graves as a starter is only the first step. Losing Dessens in combination with moving Reitsma to the bullpen places the Reds rotation among the worst in the NL. As long as no equal or better replacement for Dessens is signed/traded for, even the Pirates have a better rotation on paper.

The infield defense will be average at best. Larson is a downgrade compared to Boone at third base. Larkin's defense is fair, but his loss of range and not having a good throwing arm anymore will hurt the Reds. Larkin will have to stay healthy and put up good offensive numbers ... otherwise he will be able to watch Lopez play "his" position from the bench.

Speaking of second base, I doubt that Aaron Boone will have better defensive abilities in his first season there as Todd Walker. Hopefully groundball pitchers like Graves won't have to suffer too much through inadequate infield defense.

Overall the offense is a bit lefty heavy and relies too much on a comeback by Ken Griffey Jr. and also improvements by Adam Dunn. All three outfielders will have to stay healthy to create an offensive force, considering that the Reds have no idea what kind of production they will get from two other natural power positions; first and third base.

Especially the weak rotation makes me worry if the Reds can be a .500 team in 2003. Personally I doubt it. A fifth or last place finish in the NL Central is my projection.

TRF
01-09-2003, 11:05 AM
RT I'll couter your argument with one from rila:

Last season the reds were in 1st place for over 100 days with only 1 starter named befroe ST. We now have three.

Haynes isn't durable?

bullpen looks better than last year actually Willy finished very strong, as did Chen.

Willy is more than proven IMO.

Best relief pitcher we have is not White, but is probably Sully. I look for him to bounce back from a subpar year.

you got me on defense, unless Lopez beats out Larkin for the starting job. yeah right.

And yet the reds were among the league leaders in SB. Casey is slow, but the rest ain't too bad. just their baserunning judgement is poor

#9 got me again. Murphy's law in overdrive on Junior.

#10 I disagree somewhat with this.

#11 yup


Dessens had a career year, and there is no reason to believe he can keep last years numbers up. They were an aberration. He is a 6 inning pitcher at best w/ a 4.40 era. We could get that from Brian Reith.

Yup we are relying on Junior's and Casey's return to health. It's a month before ST so I am optimistic that both are healthy. Being lefty heavy in a division with few LH starters, w/ a short right field porch? I'm ok with that.

My darkhorse players to make the team out of ST...

Luke Hudson (co-closer) and Jose Acevedo (starter). I also think Chen will make the rotation.

I am predicting 94 wins.

flame away.

:p

Old Red Guard
01-09-2003, 11:46 AM
Pessimeist versus Optimist

The key points, why the Reds won't be competive:

1) No solid starting pitching (2 starters even have yet to be named - Haynes was luckier but not better than in 2001 when he lost 17 games)

Haynes is consistent and good enough to be a third starter on any team. Yes he was locky lasdt year but he earned 12 or 13 of those wins. He was unlucky in Milwaukee. 12-15 wins
Graves is not a gamble imo, he is a good pitcher and will be a good starter. The question is not will he be any good but how good will he be? 12-20 wins
Dempster - Began showing what he was capable of in his last couple starts. As with Graves the question is just good or dominant? 14-20 wins
Acevedo - Ready to go, pitched extremely well in AAA and winter, this is the year Juan emerges as a solid ML starter. 12-15 wins
Chen, Reitsma - Lefty or righty, I'm comfortable with either for the 5th starter. Etherton, Harnisch, Basham, Prokopec, Rijo, Reith = plenty of fodder to choose from if we need replacements. Some are raw, some old, some hurt. If we get into this bunch the variables are wild but some are tantalizing - Basham for instance, or Moseley could come up and beat the odds by succeeding. Prokopec could come back strong or Etherton show complete recovery. A lot more risk but some upside here, too.
Overall, our starters are better than we've seen in a long while.

2) Only one durable starter (Dempster)
Haynes can eat a lot of innings, too. Graves pitches with an economy that suggests he'll be able to eat a lot of innings without major problems.
3) Average bullpen
??? As deep as any team's, good left-right balance, plenty of depth, top pitchers like White, Reidling and Willy
4) Unproven closer (Williamson)
How is he unproven? I'm with TRF, I consider him a proven commodity
5) Best relief pitcher (White) likely to get traded to shed payroll
Heredia and Mercker will alleviate the loss though I agree it would be better if we could keep him
6) Average overall defense
As long as its average we'll be okay. LaRue will be better, imo, and a healthy Junior gives us top D in center.
7) Little team speed
Not true. Average to batter than average speed overall. We do need coaching on baserunning but hopefully that is going to be addressed in ST. Dunn and Kearns should be better, certainly.
8) No true leadoff hitter
Actually, this is key on Lark. If he is healthy, there is no problem - I like him as leadoff.
9) Junior's production & health remain questionable
Yep. And until he plays the whole season and has a massive year people will question him. You know what? When it comes to Junior I am asking no questions. I believe. He'll have a tremedous year. I know if you're handicapping you have to look at this with a jaundiced eye but I'm not handicapping. I'm believing.
10) Offensive production from catchers have to improve
It will. LaRue will be better. I like Miller but I think Jason has a solid year at the plate and behind it.
11) Team carries & pays two useless players: Castro & Stinnett
Not useless. Not entirely. Well, not hardly. Maybe? Okay - vastly overpaid. Maybe we can hire Tonya Harding to break their legs with a ballbat and put both on the DL. I'm kidding. I think.

Add to all this that Dunn will have a breakout year, finally reaching 40+ homers. He'll never have a high average but Kearns will. Austin hits .330 with 25 homers. Casey comes back and hits well. We trade him and White at the deadline for a stud pitcher.

Basham comes up in September and pitches 3 terrific games, Moseley dominates AA, Howington and Aramboles regain top prospect status. Rose is reinstated. GAB is full every day.

Reds win it all in a shocker. Case Closed.

letsgojunior
01-09-2003, 11:52 AM
Last season the reds were in 1st place for over 100 days with only 1 starter named befroe ST. We now have three.


I've seen this argument a lot, so I figured I would respond to it. The Reds essentially played well until May 31, where they had a 32-21 record. Their record the rest of the season? 46-63. So to make the argument that the Reds played well enough to have first place for 50 days, you also have to acknowledge that they played so poorly the 4 or so months of the season that they dropped 17 games in the standings.

It doesn't make a difference to me that we have 3 named starters rather than 1. Jimmy Haynes is to me a mediocre run-of-the mill pitcher who was blessed with tremendous run support last year. He is always good for a 1.5 WHIP and an ERA over 4, very close to the stats he posted en route to losing 17 games in 2001. Ryan Dempster has gone from All-Star to mediocre pitcher very quickly, and this is especially disturbing because Chris Welsh commented several times on the games last year that his velocity was down and that trainers thought he had too much bulk. He was so incredibly inconsistent last year that at times it looked like he was throwing BP and other times he was striking 8 or 9 guys out.

Graves to me is our only All-Star caliber pitcher, and he is just learning how to start rather than relieve. I am thinking 15 wins from him, but the funniest thing in their conversion with Graves was 1) they did it at the end of the season last year when he wasn't really in the shape to do it (arguably a Bowdenesque move in that his save total was reduced and subsequently his arbitration paycheck) and 2) they have spent most of the offseason paying musical chairs in the infield when Graves is an extreme ground ball pitcher. I have always thought that if you have a somewhat suspect pitching staff, you need to at least play good infield defense so as to not give the other team an extra out.

Anyway, I am not at all impressed with the pitching staff, especially if guys who I am not overly fond of (Acevedo, Chen, etc) vie for the last rotation spots. Given that the organization seems prone to rushing pitchers through the minors without much regard for their health or progress is equally disturbing, as not help is really in sight.

The offense and defense aren't looking spectacular right now either. Essentially we have a very poorly constructed lineup. We have 3 middle of the order producers, and then essentially a lineup filled with 6-7-8 hitters. We have no viable top of the order candidates and generally lack team speed and baserunning skill. We have way too many critical guys coming off of some sort of injury. Our infield defense is shabby at best, and as I think VR said, reeks of late inning defensive replacements. Only about half of our lineup has regard for the strikezone anymore, with the likes of Boone, LaRue, Lopez, and now unfortunately Larkin barely posting OBP's over .300. We are putting in Larson at 3B, whom Bowden and Boone seem convinced will hit 40 homers without acknowledging that he has put up a career OPS under 500 against RHP.

And even though I don't like arguments centered on intangibles, I honestly feel like we are sitting on a powder keg here. We are going to have some sort of controversy between Jr and Boone, there is going to be a whole "Larkin last year of contract" thing again, and Bowden is on the last year of his deal, meaning that if you think the gloves have already come off, think again.;) Unfortunately, right now 2003 reeks of 2000 right now. High expectations dashed in what overall is an organization on a downward spiral.

I picked fourth place and without a huge pitching overhaul I can't see a much better finish. I'm sorry for being so negative but the last 6-8 months in Redsville has greatly disillusioned me.

Red Thunder
01-09-2003, 12:03 PM
Haynes isn't durable?

How do you define "durable"?
In 2002:
- Haynes averaged nearly 6 innings per start (~5.8)
- Dessens averaged nearly 6 innings per start (~5.9)
- Dempster averaged exactly 6 1/3 innings per start

I would call a starter "durable" if he is able to pitch over 6 innings per start.

Which directly leads me to the following point:

Dessens had a career year, and there is no reason to believe he can keep last years numbers up. They were an aberration. He is a 6 inning pitcher at best w/ a 4.40 era. We could get that from Brian Reith.

As you see, it's a legend that Haynes was more durable in 2002 than Dessens. Actually it was the other way around although you can say, that both are strictly 6 inning pitchers. I remember a good statement from Red Storm some time ago. He wrote, that Boone and Gullett handled Hanyes beautifully, as they more often than not pulled the plug on the questionables in the exact perfect spot in the 5+ IP range to save the team from worse damage.

Btw, do you believe that Haynes could repeat his 15 win season? The truth is that he was about the same pitcher with the Brewers in 2001, as he was with the Reds in 2002. Speaking of his ERA, Haynes had a career year ... otherwise he had almost the same hit, walk and IP ratio like with the Brewers. His just got better run support (4.71 in 2002 compared to 3.75 in 2001).

bullpen looks better than last year actually Willy finished very strong, as did Chen.

Why does the bullpen look better???
Rijo is over the hill
Sullivan had a horrible year, hopefully his arm is sound
Chen did not finish especially strong
(His last 10 outings: 9.53 ERA!)
Riedling looks promising
Hudson is unproven and gives up too many walks. His fastball is fast, but straight.

Willy is more than proven IMO.

He has been around a while, but is not a proven closer as his 4 blown saves in 12 chances in 2002 state.

Best relief pitcher we have is not White, but is probably Sully. I look for him to bounce back from a subpar year.

Last season White was among the best LH reliever in the majors. Unfortunately he also wasn't available for a longer stint because of injuries. In contrast to other lefthanders, Gabe is a great control pitcher but I understand that the Reds would rather go with Chen, Heredia or Mercker who get paid way less than White.

And yet the reds were among the league leaders in SB. Casey is slow, but the rest ain't too bad. just their baserunning judgement is poor

Aaron Boone stole 32, Dunn 19. I just saw that the Reds finished third in the NL in stolen bases, which surprised me quite a bit. The team lacks a speedy leadoff hitter with a good on base percentage, though.

TRF
01-09-2003, 02:09 PM
I define durable as 200 innings.

Dessens has done that when?

Haynes has been a consistent innings eater his entire career. Last year he got better as the year went on. I look for improvement in most of his numbers except wins, because yes he did get lucky alot.

I see the 'pen as:

Sully
Reitsma
Felix Heredia
Hudson
Reidling
Williamson (closing, though he should start IMO)

If Rijo makes the club, it'll be as 7th man in the 'pen.... mop up duty.

Take a closer look at willy's numbers. Over the last two months he was flat out dominating.

Neo
01-09-2003, 02:20 PM
AL East
New York
Boston (WC)
Toronto
Baltimore
Tampa Bay

AL Central
Minnesota
Chicago
Cleveland
Detroit
Kansas City

AL West
Oakland
Anaheim
Texas
Seattle

Oakland over Boston
Minnesota over New York

Oakland over Minnesota

NL East
Expos
Philadelphia
Atlanta
New York
Florida


NL Central
Houston
Cincinnati (WC)
Chicago
St Louis
Pittsburgh
Milwaukee

NL West
Arizona
Los Angeles
San Francisco
San Diego
Colorado

Cincinnati over Arizona
Montreal over Houston

Cincinnati over Montreal

Cincinnati over Oakland in game 7 Acevedo WS -MVP :beerme:

Old Red Guard
01-09-2003, 02:35 PM
Looks like you and I are charter members of the Optimists Club of America, Neo. When its just mid January you have to be optimistic!

Red Thunder
01-09-2003, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by TRF
I define durable as 200 innings.

Dessens has done that when?



Dessens pitched 205 innings for the Reds in 2001.

Haynes NEVER pitched 200 innings or more so far in his career.

But I understand where you are coming from. If Dessens wouldn't have been injured last season, he would have pitched about 200 innings (like Haynes) in 34 starts. It's a bit problematic to compare Jimmy with Elmer, because Haynes has been a regular starting pitcher since 1997 and Dessens wasn't converted into a starter before 2000. But he even has more complete games (2 in 88 career starts) compared to 1 in 181 career starts.

Since both of them are starters, the statistics proof that it is a myth that Haynes is more durable. They are both 6 inning pitchers who fade after passing this mark. If I remember correctly, Jimmy has an opponent batting average well over .300 against him after 6 innings.

I would take Dessens over Haynes anyday.

TRF
01-09-2003, 03:19 PM
ok good point. I had forgotten that elmer got 200 in 2001.

But haynes era has dropped every year since 1999.

I like that trend, and think it will continue. After the allstar break, haynes was much better than he was in the first half, just a bit unlucky. pre- allstar break 4.44 era post ASB 3.76. runs and earned runs way down in the second half. long balls cut in half.

Gully saw something here he could work with, and I am looking for a huge year from Haynes.

They'll call me a prophet.

MattyHo4Life
01-09-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by TRF
I think the Cards are in for a surprise. Their rotation doesn't look that strong.

TRF...the Cards have Morris and Williams as their #1 and #2 guys. They are one of the best 1-2 combinations in the NL. Why don't you think their rotation is that strong? Do you think the Reds have a better rotation?

LvJ
01-09-2003, 10:43 PM
AMERICAN LEAGUE
EAST
1. Boston
2. New York
3. Toronto
4. Baltimore
5. Tampa Bay

Central
1. Minnesota
2. Chicago
3. Cleveland
4. Detroit
5. Kansas City

West
1. Oakland
2. Anaheim
3. Texas
4. Seattle

NATIONAL LEAGUE
East
1. Philadelphia
2. New York
3. Atlanta
4. Montreal
5. Florida

Central
1. Chicago
2. Houston
3. Cincinnati
4. St Louis
5. Pittsburg
6. Milwaukee

West
1. Arizona
2. San Fransisco
3. San Diego
4. Los Angeles
5. Colorado

Falls City Beer
01-09-2003, 11:33 PM
Same old, same old for the NL

Atlanta, Houston, St. Louis, San Fran are clearly the best teams in the league on paper. I suspect a surprise will crop up though--Montreal? Florida? Pittsburgh?

Astrobuddy
01-10-2003, 10:21 AM
I would like to know why so many of you still put Atlanta and Arizona in the playoffs.. mark it down, THEY ARE DONE! The central will be a fun this year and the most competitive, i am not saying the best, but it will be the most fun to watch. My prediction is the top 3 spots in the Central will be separated by 10 games tops. Astros, Cards, Reds or Cubs in no particular order .... Injuries and surprise players will play a HUGE part.

Just my Opinion !

MattyHo4Life
01-10-2003, 10:25 AM
AB....I'd rank the D-Banks ahead of the Giants. Not only did they lose Kent, but they lost Ortiz.

Astrobuddy
01-10-2003, 10:34 AM
Ok , i can see that on one side, but on the other .. who do they have ?? Come on, how long can Schilling/Johnson keep it up ? and after that who do they have? Your Cards beat the crap out of them in the playoffs. The D-backs have had their run and i bet that the BIG 2 in Arizona dont do so well this year. The D-backs could win the west, but the West will be the weakest division in MLB in 2003.

MattyHo4Life
01-10-2003, 10:36 AM
Well....Johnson and Schilling are ALL they really have, and the D-Backs will go as far as those two carry them. The Cards have a history of beating up on Johnson....that's nothing new, and Drew hits Schilling well.

GAC
01-10-2003, 10:56 AM
I don't make predictions when it comes to MLB, and I'm not gonna start now :lol:

But if the Reds land another quality arm for this rotation, I wonder how many of you will be back here "editing" your selections? :evilgrin:

Because if we can add an arm, and maintain our health (key issue), then I think (not predicting ;) ) that we can win our division.

TRF
01-10-2003, 11:00 AM
Matty, Williams has had maybe a season and a half where he was actually any good. He has been an innings eater until last year, that is true. But until he joined the Cards, He was a 4.40 era pitcher. So maybe Duncan is a genious, maybe he can do a williams on Tomko. I just think that past Morris, there are some question marks. Will the real Woody Williams be the lights out guy you have seen for a total of one season worth of baseball, or the one the Padres jettisoned? Can anyone get through to Tomko? Wjat is the other 2/5 of the rotation? Is Carpenter going into the rotation? You guys lost some bullpen, what are the replacements like? Enjoy Joey Hamilton. I'm asking, because I don't know, and would appreciate the input.

The Cubs are going to rely on four young pitchers (Wood, Prior, Cruz, Clement) and Estes. They have also bolstered their bullpen by adding Remlinger and Veres. I don't think much of their offense.

The Astros may have the 2nd best young rotation in baseball, and they have a tremendous bullpen. Plus they have no place for Carlos Hernandez, who may be hurt. They have a lot of young pitchers ready to contribute now. (Sarloos, Munro and Redding) The killer B's are another year older, but the acquisition of Kent certainly helps a very potent offense. They have to be considered the favorites in the Central. Lance Berkman is the best young hitter in baseball.

As for my Reds... I think the offense rises to the occasion, The pitching surprises, and we win the central by 10 games ;)

Astrobuddy
01-10-2003, 11:03 AM
Dunn will have to hit better than .180 and K less than 180 times for the Reds to do anything better than 3rd place.

Swampturkey
01-11-2003, 01:27 AM
The key for Woody is staying healthy. If he's healthy, he should be very good because he has been for the past year and a half whenever he's not injured. I don't care about what he did for the Padres because he's a Cardinal now. New team, better defense behind him, new pitching coach, and Matheny, a very good catcher behind the plate. Morris was off and on shaky last year although he still won 17 games. I do attribute most of his shakeyness to DK's death so I think he'll be better. Tomko, who knows. It's wait and see what Dunc. does with him. Simontacchi came up in May and still won 11 games. Should have had more but the BP blew some games for him. Everyone is counting Simo out but I'm not. Garrett Stephenson when healthy was a 16 game winner. He's healthy now.

It's wait and see for every team in the division IMO. No team is the clear cut winner of the Central. Should be a dog fight.