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Handofdeath
04-08-2009, 10:36 PM
Hall charged with drunken driving
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Associated Press

BATAVIA, Ohio -- An Ohio State Highway Patrol spokesman says Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Leon Hall was arrested in southwest Ohio and charged with drunken driving.
Patrol spokesman Lt. Tony Bradshaw says a state trooper stopped Hall just after 3 a.m. Sunday in Clermont County, west of Cincinnati.

Bradshaw says the 24-year-old Hall was polite and cooperative, acknowledged he had been drinking and took a breath test that showed a blood-alcohol concentration of 0.149. The legal limit in Ohio is 0.08.

Hall is the first Bengals player to face criminal charges in nearly a year. He's scheduled to be arraigned in Clermont County Municipal Court on Friday.

Bengals spokesman Jack Brennan referred to the team's "standard policy that we refrain from commenting on legal matters that are unresolved."


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

cincrazy
04-08-2009, 10:46 PM
And he's the one we drafted because of his outstanding character. Go figure.

guttle11
04-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Crap, I had April 6th in the pool! Missed it by 21 hours.

dabvu2498
04-09-2009, 12:24 AM
Somebody get the Associated Press a map!

VR
04-09-2009, 12:39 AM
I figured Tank Johnson was on the clock already.

forfreelin04
04-09-2009, 12:44 AM
I surely suspect it won't be the last before the season starts.

Handofdeath
04-09-2009, 12:53 AM
"First Bengals player to face criminal charges in nearly a year?"

Are we supposed to be impressed by this?

GIDP
04-09-2009, 12:59 AM
"First Bengals player to face criminal charges in nearly a year?"

Are we supposed to be impressed by this?

Compared to the rest of the league yea.

JBChance
04-09-2009, 01:42 AM
I figured Tank Johnson was on the clock already.

What do you expect with a nickname like "Tank"?

- "I got tanked last night"
- "Throw him in the drunk tank"
- "My career tanked in Chicago"

He's absolutely set up for failure, IMO.

Chip R
04-09-2009, 10:02 AM
Can we just sticky this thread?

Eric_the_Red
04-09-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm really surprised it was Hall, and disappointed. I thought he was one of the good guys. Hopefully this is a one time error in judgement and doesn't happen again.

Yachtzee
04-09-2009, 10:29 AM
"First Bengals player to face criminal charges in nearly a year?"

Are we supposed to be impressed by this?

Pittsburgh and Cleveland have definitely had their fair share of players in the police blotter in that time. This wouldn't be as big a deal if the Bengals had never had two high profile repeat offenders in Odell Thurman and Chris Henry, who alone account for a significant portion of legal problems involving Bengals' players.

Highlifeman21
04-09-2009, 08:28 PM
Patrol spokesman Lt. Tony Bradshaw says a state trooper stopped Hall just after 3 a.m. Sunday in Clermont County, west of Cincinnati.

Patrol spokesman Lt. Tony Bradshaw is clearly a geography major, or whoever wrote this fine piece has a stellar editor...

LoganBuck
04-09-2009, 11:23 PM
Did I hear Lapham say that Hall had no intention of driving, but his wife was in labor and he had to take her to the hospital, or meet her there? I only caught a bit of it around 5:40 on WLW.

GIDP
04-09-2009, 11:59 PM
Yea he was supposedly driving because his wife was in labor or something.

JBChance
04-10-2009, 01:36 AM
Guess he was having a little pre-birth celebration. :D

Pretty much sucks to get a DUI on the day of the birth of your child. His wife must have been REALLY happy. Can't even imagine how that went over.

LoganBuck
04-10-2009, 07:41 AM
Guess he was having a little pre-birth celebration. :D

Pretty much sucks to get a DUI on the day of the birth of your child. His wife must have been REALLY happy. Can't even imagine how that went over.

But you can see how that would happen. No excuse whatsoever, but you can see how the mind would work.

In the court of public opinion, I give him a mulligan.

The legal system will give him his punishment.

Move along.

Eric_the_Red
04-10-2009, 08:14 AM
But you can see how that would happen. No excuse whatsoever, but you can see how the mind would work.

In the court of public opinion, I give him a mulligan.

The legal system will give him his punishment.

Move along.

Wonder what the NFL will give him?

GIDP
04-10-2009, 09:24 AM
Wonder what the NFL will give him?

considering how easy they let the rest of the league off nothing, but considering hes a bengal and they are always over the top tough on bengals probably 1 game suspension.

Hoosier Red
04-10-2009, 09:57 AM
Pittsburgh and Cleveland have definitely had their fair share of players in the police blotter in that time. This wouldn't be as big a deal if the Bengals had never had two high profile repeat offenders in Odell Thurman and Chris Henry, who alone account for a significant portion of legal problems involving Bengals' players.

The other thing to keep in mind is that as far as I can recall, the only players who have broken a law with the Bengals and are still on the Bengals are Chris Henry, and now Leon Hall.

So "another" Bengal arrested, really isn't fair.

JBChance
04-10-2009, 02:39 PM
But you can see how that would happen. No excuse whatsoever, but you can see how the mind would work.

In the court of public opinion, I give him a mulligan.

The legal system will give him his punishment.

Move along.

At the level of intoxication at which he was reportedly measured, he might have thought he was OK - not an excuse, but, like you said, you might see how it would happen, I guess.

Since he has been a "character" guy his whole NFL and collegiate career, I'd cut him some slack, as well. Its just the Bengals track record that puts it under the microscope, public opinion wise.

Bengals.com reports that it may just be a fine, but could be a 1 game suspension, as well.

TeamSelig
04-10-2009, 03:24 PM
Who gets drunk when their wife is close to giving birth? Also, he was nearly twice the limit so I'm not sure I can agree with him just thinking he was fine.

Yachtzee
04-10-2009, 04:41 PM
But you can see how that would happen. No excuse whatsoever, but you can see how the mind would work.

In the court of public opinion, I give him a mulligan.

The legal system will give him his punishment.

Move along.

First offense? Up here that's 3 days in a driver intervention program (at the Holiday Inn), 6 mo. license suspension w/ work privileges, fines and costs.

Phil in BG
04-10-2009, 04:44 PM
The biggest problem with this is how it gives ESPN and the like another shot at the Bengals. They can't wait to talk about the bad-boy Bengals, even though in the last couple of years there are many teams with more arrests.

GIDP
04-10-2009, 05:03 PM
Who gets drunk when their wife is close to giving birth? Also, he was nearly twice the limit so I'm not sure I can agree with him just thinking he was fine.

We dont really know whats going on. Maybe one of his friends was celebrating something or maybe the baby came a couple weeks early.

camisadelgolf
04-10-2009, 05:23 PM
I read somewhere that before Hall's arrest, only two teams had a longer streak than the Bengals of players on the team not being arrested. By that measure, the Bengals are one of the most well-behaved organizations in the NFL.

Boss-Hog
04-10-2009, 10:07 PM
The other thing to keep in mind is that as far as I can recall, the only players who have broken a law with the Bengals and are still on the Bengals are Chris Henry, and now Leon Hall.

So "another" Bengal arrested, really isn't fair.
Jonathan Joseph

Razor Shines
04-11-2009, 04:22 AM
We dont really know whats going on. Maybe one of his friends was celebrating something or maybe the baby came a couple weeks early.

Who cares? I'm with Team Selig on this one. You wouldn't have found me drunk at any time during the last three months of my wife's pregnancy. Obviously that's not a rule it was my choice and he made his now he has to deal with the consequences. I don't have any sympathy for drunk driving in any situation. Yes, emergencies happen, but no one is forced to get drunk, that I'm aware of.

GIDP
04-11-2009, 04:32 AM
Who cares? I'm with Team Selig on this one. You wouldn't have found me drunk at any time during the last three months of my wife's pregnancy. Obviously that's not a rule it was my choice and he made his now he has to deal with the consequences. I don't have any sympathy for drunk driving in any situation. Yes, emergencies happen, but no one is forced to get drunk, that I'm aware of.

You dont know what was going on and why he was out drinking.

Tony Cloninger
04-11-2009, 04:22 PM
You could say the same thing about the guy who killed the Angels pitcher and two other people.

Problem is not many people ever learn until they are caught and even then it does not help.

Razor Shines
04-11-2009, 04:45 PM
You dont know what was going on and why he was out drinking.

Again, who cares? It does not matter. I know for certain that he was not forced to get drunk (it is possible to drink without getting drunk).

As I said you would not have found me drunk for any reason within the last three months of my wife's pregnancy. This was my choice, his choice was to get drunk when his wife was due at any time. He drove, he got caught, I hope he's punished to the fullest extent of the law.

GIDP
04-11-2009, 05:04 PM
Again, who cares? It does not matter. I know for certain that he was not forced to get drunk (it is possible to drink without getting drunk).

As I said you would not have found me drunk for any reason within the last three months of my wife's pregnancy. This was my choice, his choice was to get drunk when his wife was due at any time. He drove, he got caught, I hope he's punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I care because maybe something was going on and his wife said to go? You really have no clue to the reason he was out. If the kid wasnt due for a couple weeks what could 1 night ultimately harm if you were going out to celebrate something with the guys. I can see how this scenario could go down. I think withholding judgment about him being out isnt a bad idea.

Razor Shines
04-12-2009, 03:32 AM
I care because maybe something was going on and his wife said to go? You really have no clue to the reason he was out.

You're the only one throwing out wild guesses as to why he was drunk. I don't have any idea why he was out getting drunk, and I don't think it matters one iota.


If the kid wasnt due for a couple weeks what could 1 night ultimately harm if you were going out to celebrate something with the guys.

Well the "harm" apparently is being arrested for drunk driving, and it's really not that uncommon for babies to come two weeks early. Hell, my son came two weeks early, but this is not the point.


I think withholding judgment about him being out isnt a bad idea.

I'm not judging him for being out drinking, I do not care. If he chooses to go out drinking while his wife is at home 8 1/2 months pregnant, that's completely legal and his right. Good for him. I have a problem with the fact that he chose to drive while he was drunk, the rest is impertinent.

As long as you're inventing scenarios to justify for yourself why he was out drinking, here's a few scenarios for you: What if he'd hit someone on the way home? What if he'd killed someone? What if the guy who hit Nick Adenhart was rushing home to his pregnant wife and had just been out celebrating a special occasion with the guys? I doubt that anyone would be on here saying "well, I could see how he thought it would be ok". Mr. Hall is lucky that he didn't put anyone's family in the position of the Adenhart family, because when you drive with a .149 BAC you are rolling the dice.

GIDP
04-12-2009, 03:46 AM
I dont know why you think I think it's ok that he was driving drunk.

Eric_the_Red
04-12-2009, 07:56 AM
Regardless of why he was out drinking so close to the due date, he still could have either taken a taxi or had somebody sober drive him. It was a poor decision that could have killed an innocent person.

Razor Shines
04-12-2009, 11:00 AM
I dont know why you think I think it's ok that he was driving drunk.

Show me where I posted that. You kept wanting to make this about why he was out. I'd said that I don't care and it does not matter.

GIDP
04-12-2009, 11:26 AM
I give up. Hall should be released and probably burned at the stake. There is no reason why he could have been out and absolutely no reason why he shouldnt have been sitting at home on a leash.

I only stated that we have no idea why he was out. Should he have drove home? No, but I certainly can see a few scenarios where him and his wife both didnt think it was going to be a problem for him to go do something with some buddies.

Tony Cloninger
04-12-2009, 01:50 PM
I am pretty sure his wife did not intend him to go out driving after drinking.

I really do not know your point besides a need to keep justifying that it was okay for him to have a reason to go drinking. Okay....so it's fine he wanted to go have a drink.....but it looks like he cannot do that beacuse it impairs his ability to think clearly. IF it did not...he would not have thought it was okay to drive.

No one said to burn him at the stake but an aptitude test...maybe a common sense test should be in order for him.

Eric_the_Red
04-12-2009, 02:19 PM
GIDP - I think you are misreading or misunderstanding many of the posts here. Nobody is saying that he should not have been out, or even been out having a few drinks. (Too many drinks, perhaps, but not out drinking in general.)

The problem was when he made the decision to get behind the wheel of a car after said drinking. That was a poor decision.

GIDP
04-12-2009, 07:17 PM
GIDP - I think you are misreading or misunderstanding many of the posts here. Nobody is saying that he should not have been out, or even been out having a few drinks. (Too many drinks, perhaps, but not out drinking in general.)

The problem was when he made the decision to get behind the wheel of a car after said drinking. That was a poor decision.

No I certainly know that he shouldnt have tried to even drive, but I find it silly that people are giving him crap for even being out with out any idea why he was out or what him and his wife even talked about.

Patrick Bateman
04-13-2009, 02:14 AM
We obviously don't know the exact circumstances, but if I knew that my theoretical wife was expected to give birth in the very near future, I would not put myself in a situation where I would need to drink and drive to get to the hospital in time.

I can understand the thought process behind what he did when he found out he needed to get to the hospital, but a rational person would have thought before going out and drinking that there was a very likely scenario possible where his wife would go into labour and he would have to get to the hospital promptly. That gives you two options:

1. Don't drink when your wife is expecting the child so that you can drive
or
2. Have a ride prepared in advance if that situation arose.

Secret option 3 of drinking and driving without reprecussions does not exist. Putting yourself in a situation like that before the fact is inexcusable IMO, and from my end, I dont think enough thought was put into the actions Hall took.

Razor Shines
04-13-2009, 03:32 AM
I give up. Hall should be released and probably burned at the stake. There is no reason why he could have been out and absolutely no reason why he shouldnt have been sitting at home on a leash.

I only stated that we have no idea why he was out. Should he have drove home? No, but I certainly can see a few scenarios where him and his wife both didnt think it was going to be a problem for him to go do something with some buddies.

I'm beginning to become very concerned. Are you reading my posts? Because you seem to be arguing against a non-existent argument.

GIDP
04-13-2009, 12:22 PM
I'm beginning to become very concerned. Are you reading my posts? Because you seem to be arguing against a non-existent argument.

Yes you think he shouldnt even have been out in the 1st place, where I dont know what was going on so I'm not going to just blanket the situation.

Hoosier Red
04-13-2009, 03:59 PM
We obviously don't know the exact circumstances, but if I knew that my theoretical wife was expected to give birth in the very near future, I would not put myself in a situation where I would need to drink and drive to get to the hospital in time.

I can understand the thought process behind what he did when he found out he needed to get to the hospital, but a rational person would have thought before going out and drinking that there was a very likely scenario possible where his wife would go into labour and he would have to get to the hospital promptly. That gives you two options:

1. Don't drink when your wife is expecting the child so that you can drive
or
2. Have a ride prepared in advance if that situation arose.

Secret option 3 of drinking and driving without reprecussions does not exist. Putting yourself in a situation like that before the fact is inexcusable IMO, and from my end, I dont think enough thought was put into the actions Hall took.

Your'e absolutely right. My guess is a couple of things play into people taking the non-existant option #3.

1.) They've probably done it before successfully. It doesn't make it right, but a good number of us have probably driven after maybe having one or two too many. Maybe we would have been over the limit, maybe not. But when we got home, and woke up the next morning, we probably thought to ourselves, ya know I probably shouldn't have driven.

This feeds a very counter productive feeling the next time, where we say, "well last time I did this and haven't run into any trouble, no I think I'm okay to drive." I'm not saying this is the correct way to respond, I'm saying this is the natural inclination which we actively have to turn off.

2.) Having a rational thought when you're impaired is difficult, it impairs your judgement and you're more likely to go back to scenario 1, and think I'm okay.

Razor Shines
04-13-2009, 05:03 PM
Yes you think he shouldnt even have been out in the 1st place, where I dont know what was going on so I'm not going to just blanket the situation.


See I don't think you are reading my posts, because you would have come across this paragraph:

I'm not judging him for being out drinking, I do not care. If he chooses to go out drinking while his wife is at home 8 1/2 months pregnant, that's completely legal and his right. Good for him. I have a problem with the fact that he chose to drive while he was drunk, the rest is impertinent.

I was mostly responding to this type of thinking:


But you can see how that would happen. No excuse whatsoever, but you can see how the mind would work.

In the court of public opinion, I give him a mulligan.

The legal system will give him his punishment.

Move along.


At the level of intoxication at which he was reportedly measured, he might have thought he was OK - not an excuse, but, like you said, you might see how it would happen, I guess.

Since he has been a "character" guy his whole NFL and collegiate career, I'd cut him some slack, as well. Its just the Bengals track record that puts it under the microscope, public opinion wise.


And to you, you seemed like you were jumping on the bandwagon of this line of thinking. I meant to have quoted both of those posts in my first post as well as yours, but apparently I forgot. So, I wasn't intentionally singling you out from the beginning, but I did. So if you don't agree with the above line of thinking then, that's fine I don't care about the rest. You seem convinced he had some noble reason to be out getting drunk. Getting drunk on the town with an 8 1/2 month pregnant wife at home seems like a ******y thing to do, but ultimately that's not what I have a problem with.

I have said that personally I wouldn't have put myself in his situation, but again going out is not what he did wrong. He should have had arrangements for what he was going to do in an emergency. I mean how was he getting home anyway? If his wife hadn't called, he still had to get home and he obviously drove his car. Seems like very poor planning led to a very stupid decision. Luckily he got caught and maybe he'll be smarter next time.

Eric_the_Red
04-13-2009, 05:08 PM
He should have had arrangements for what he was going to do in an emergency. I mean how was he getting home anyway? If his wife hadn't called, he still had to get home and he obviously drove his car. Seems like very poor planning led to a very stupid decision.


+1. Excellent point.

bucksfan2
04-13-2009, 05:38 PM
I have said that personally I wouldn't have put myself in his situation, but again going out is not what he did wrong. He should have had arrangements for what he was going to do in an emergency. I mean how was he getting home anyway? If his wife hadn't called, he still had to get home and he obviously drove his car. Seems like very poor planning led to a very stupid decision. Luckily he got caught and maybe he'll be smarter next time.

If his story is true, which I have doubts about the validity of the story, I give him a mulligan. Quite frankly I probably would have done a similar thing in that situation. Maybe you (generally speaking) wouldn't be at a bar with a 8.5 month pregnant wife but its Hall's decision to make and not ours. We don't know how he planned on getting home, maybe he planned on taking a cab home. Maybe he planned on his wife picking him up, who really knows. He got behind the wheel when he shouldn't have and got caught.

Yachtzee
04-13-2009, 06:04 PM
If his story is true, which I have doubts about the validity of the story, I give him a mulligan. Quite frankly I probably would have done a similar thing in that situation. Maybe you (generally speaking) wouldn't be at a bar with a 8.5 month pregnant wife but its Hall's decision to make and not ours. We don't know how he planned on getting home, maybe he planned on taking a cab home. Maybe he planned on his wife picking him up, who really knows. He got behind the wheel when he shouldn't have and got caught.

Maybe he wasn't planning on having more than one or two and just got caught up in the moment. For some reason, when you're out at a bar and people find out about something good, like you're wife is having a baby soon, they offer you free drinks. The smart thing would be to say "no," but sometimes its difficult to turn down someone's gesture. Not saying it's right, though.

GIDP
04-13-2009, 07:30 PM
I just dont think its fair that we discuss if he should have been out, or stated that "I wouldnt have been out" or what ever Razor is trying to say as if he never made a mistake when his wife was preggers and is on higher level of responsibility. We have no idea what the reason for him being out. I simply feel that if he discussed it with his wife, and they both felt like it wasnt going to be a problem I dont fault him for being out at all. I dont know if he did or if he didnt. I just think we should reserve our bashing of him being out in the 1st place until we hear some details about it.

Driving home is a completely different part.

camisadelgolf
04-13-2009, 07:54 PM
I just dont think its fair that we discuss if he should have been out, or stated that "I wouldnt have been out" or what ever Razor is trying to say as if he never made a mistake when his wife was preggers and is on higher level of responsibility. We have no idea what the reason for him being out. I simply feel that if he discussed it with his wife, and they both felt like it wasnt going to be a problem I dont fault him for being out at all. I dont know if he did or if he didnt. I just think we should reserve our bashing of him being out in the 1st place until we hear some details about it.

Driving home is a completely different part.
:thumbup:

Driving while drunk is unacceptable under any realistic circumstance, but there are way too many unknown details to judge Hall for being drunk that night.

Razor Shines
04-13-2009, 08:04 PM
I just dont think its fair that we discuss if he should have been out, or stated that "I wouldnt have been out" or what ever Razor is trying to say as if he never made a mistake when his wife was preggers and is on higher level of responsibility. We have no idea what the reason for him being out. I simply feel that if he discussed it with his wife, and they both felt like it wasnt going to be a problem I dont fault him for being out at all. I dont know if he did or if he didnt. I just think we should reserve our bashing of him being out in the 1st place until we hear some details about it.

Driving home is a completely different part.

Show me where I posted anything close to that, bud. That's several times now you have made me out to be saying things that I haven't said. And every time I've called you on it, you've just ignored it. I guess that tells me what I need to know about you.

Razor Shines
04-13-2009, 08:09 PM
If his story is true, which I have doubts about the validity of the story, I give him a mulligan.
I'm sorry you don't get a mulligan for Drunk Driving, ever. There are a few things I cannot tolerate in any situation, Drunk Driving is one of them. Again what if he'd hit someone? Would you still say "oh, I'll give him a mulligan?"


Maybe you (generally speaking) wouldn't be at a bar with a 8.5 month pregnant wife but its Hall's decision to make and not ours. We don't know how he planned on getting home, maybe he planned on taking a cab home. Maybe he planned on his wife picking him up, who really knows.

I agree with all of this, and he should have made arrangements for an emergency, but he didn't. Sorry you don't get a "mulligan" for that.

GIDP
04-13-2009, 08:16 PM
Who cares? I'm with Team Selig on this one. You wouldn't have found me drunk at any time during the last three months of my wife's pregnancy. Obviously that's not a rule it was my choice and he made his now he has to deal with the consequences. I don't have any sympathy for drunk driving in any situation. Yes, emergencies happen, but no one is forced to get drunk, that I'm aware of.
This post is exactly where I get the impression that you think he shouldnt even have been out. If its not what you are implying then I dont even know why you would post it.

Razor Shines
04-13-2009, 08:27 PM
This post is exactly where I get the impression that you think he shouldnt even have been out. If its not what you are implying then I dont even know why you would post it.

Ok first, you're still ignoring my previous post, but that's how you roll.

Second, I clearly stated in that post that it was my choice and did not say anyone else should hold themselves to that standard. I was implying that if he was going to choose to go out and get drunk he should have made plans for an emergency, he didn't. I hope he faces the stiffest penalties possible.

Again the biggest problem I have is with the idea that several people have that he should get a "mulligan" because his wife was pregnant. You haven't answered whether or not you're on board with that idea. If you're not, then I don't have too much of a beef with you (except for the times you've made it seem like I was saying things that I was not saying). I've been under the impression that you are on board with the "mulligan" line of thinking, if you're not then I apologize for thinking that you were.

GIDP
04-13-2009, 08:36 PM
Ok first, you're still ignoring my previous post, but that's how you roll.

Second, I clearly stated in that post that it was my choice and did not say anyone else should hold themselves to that standard. I was implying that if he was going to choose to go out and get drunk he should have made plans for an emergency, he didn't. I hope he faces the stiffest penalties possible.

Again the biggest problem I have is with the idea that several people have that he should get a "mulligan" because his wife was pregnant. You haven't answered whether or not you're on board with that idea. If you're not, then I don't have too much of a beef with you (except for the times you've made it seem like I was saying things that I was not saying). I've been under the impression that you are on board with the "mulligan" line of thinking, if you're not then I apologize for thinking that you were.
For all the discussion from you saying I have ignored your post you seem to be doing that exact thing with mine.

Him driving was wrong and I dont think I've said anything other than that.

Razor Shines
04-13-2009, 09:00 PM
For all the discussion from you saying I have ignored your post you seem to be doing that exact thing with mine.

Him driving was wrong and I dont think I've said anything other than that.

Great. It's just that other people were saying "it was wrong, but I could see how it would happen so I'd give him a 'mulligan'". That's where I thought you were too, sorry for lumping you in.

Boss-Hog
04-13-2009, 09:04 PM
Let's not let this get personal, please.

LoganBuck
04-14-2009, 01:25 AM
Great. It's just that other people were saying "it was wrong, but I could see how it would happen so I'd give him a 'mulligan'". That's where I thought you were too, sorry for lumping you in.

That was me. It is unacceptable to drink and drive. I was just saying that I could see how he could have put himself in that position. Any way you slice it, he committed a crime. The legal system will punish him.

We don't need to put him in the stocks on fountain square.