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Reds Fanatic
04-09-2009, 11:47 AM
Lineups:


Mets:

Jose Reyes ss
Daniel Murphy lf
David Wright 3b
Carlos Delgado 1b
Carlos Beltran cf
Ryan Church rf
Ramon Castro c
Alex Cora 2b
Oliver Perez p

Reds:

Willy Taveras cf
Darnell McDonald lf
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Jay Bruce rf
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Ryan Hanigan c
Paul Janish ss
Bronson Arroyo p

Red in Chicago
04-09-2009, 12:54 PM
I approved thread now, since it's a day game, with probably a limited group of participants. Enjoy.

membengal
04-09-2009, 12:59 PM
They sure are giving the Darnell McDonald story plenty of chances at a happy ending. Gracious.

flyer85
04-09-2009, 01:01 PM
Darnell must have as much upside as Dickerson

Tom Servo
04-09-2009, 01:06 PM
Is this game not being televised on FSN?

membengal
04-09-2009, 01:06 PM
No, no TV today.

*BaseClogger*
04-09-2009, 01:08 PM
So, the excuse was we need McDonald to play CF while Taveras was out. Now that he is in LF, what is the excuse for keeping him over Jonny Gomes?

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 01:11 PM
Dickerson should get at bats against both righties and lefties if you're not going to have a LEGIT platoon partner.

Maybe McDonald can surprise us, but I'm not counting on it.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 01:12 PM
So, the excuse was we need McDonald to play CF while Taveras was out. Now that he is in LF, what is the excuse for keeping him over Jonny Gomes?

Reds aren't comfortable with Jonny Gomes playing in the outfield, presumably.

Homer Bailey
04-09-2009, 01:16 PM
The Reds will never win with Dusty Baker. Any winning they do will be despite of Dusty Baker.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 01:21 PM
The Reds will never win with Dusty Baker. Any winning they do will be despite of Dusty Baker.


What did Dusty do now?

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 01:24 PM
Reds aren't comfortable with Jonny Gomes playing in the outfield, presumably.

Did they watch McDonald play the outfield on Opening Day?

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 01:24 PM
In the pregame show, Dusty says they're on the honor sytem. If Bronson says he's ok to go, then he's ok to go. He says it's up to the player to let him know if something's wrong.


We'll find out.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 01:27 PM
I don't feel good about this game. The Mets have a lefty heavy lineup which is a bad matchup for Arroyo, plus Arroyo always seems to struggles during day games.

Joseph
04-09-2009, 01:35 PM
and oliver perez always kills us.

nate
04-09-2009, 01:37 PM
The Reds will never win with Dusty Baker. Any winning they do will be despite of Dusty Baker.

While I don't think Dusty is a strategic whiz, I do think that more wins are created by who's on the 25-man than the starting 9.

penantboundreds
04-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Why can't we watch this game on MLB Extra Innings?

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Reds botch another DP opportunity. Error of Phillips.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Did they watch McDonald play the outfield on Opening Day?

Maybe they watched Dickerson strike out against the lefty last night.

Always Red
04-09-2009, 01:44 PM
I just love the new emphasis on defense.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 01:46 PM
You absolutely can't give teams like the Mets four and five outs in an inning. Instead of inning over, the Mets have two on and one out.

NJReds
04-09-2009, 01:47 PM
I just love the new emphasis on defense.

It's embarrasing how bad the team has been defensively so far. It cost them both games. And it's by the guys who are supposedly in for their defense.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 01:47 PM
You absolutely can't give teams like the Mets four and five outs in an inning. Instead of inning over, the Mets have two on and one out.

Even if Arroyo gets out of this, his stay on the mound will be shorter because of these miscues. It's now a high stress inning, a lot of pitches. Just terrible.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 01:49 PM
He gets out with no damage...except for his pitch count

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 01:50 PM
The error cost Arroyo 10 pitches. He's at 28 pitches through one inning instead of 18.

deltachi8
04-09-2009, 01:50 PM
Why can't we watch this game on MLB Extra Innings?

Must be blacked out in Cinci area. I have it on here in Texas

Will M
04-09-2009, 01:50 PM
I agree. The Reds D has been terrible so far (despite a few really nice individual plays).

Patrick Bateman
04-09-2009, 01:51 PM
I have to say, I was excited to come home from classes and see an afternoon game that was strategically placed in my 4 hour gap between classes.

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 01:51 PM
They said last night that today's game was radio only so there isn't a TV broadcast for Cincy right now.

penantboundreds
04-09-2009, 01:51 PM
Seems weird to black it out when there is no other channel airing it on in Cincinnati. But thank you deltachi.

Red Leader
04-09-2009, 01:52 PM
Blacked out because of the Masters. The TV guys didn't want to work today. :)

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 01:53 PM
Good to see you around RL. :)

Red Leader
04-09-2009, 01:54 PM
Good to see you around RL. :)

Ah, just taking in a little businessman's special on Redszone during my lunch hour... :beerme:

deltachi8
04-09-2009, 01:55 PM
Mets announcer (Hernandez) says the new lf scoreboards are a distraction to first basemen.

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 01:55 PM
Reds go down easily in their half of the first.

deltachi8
04-09-2009, 01:57 PM
nice play by Janish

Always Red
04-09-2009, 01:57 PM
Marty raving about Janisch's defense.

11larkin11
04-09-2009, 01:59 PM
Is there anywhere to watch online free?

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:00 PM
1-2-3 second inning for Arroyo. 39 pitches through two.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:04 PM
Phillips K's... 1 down

deltachi8
04-09-2009, 02:04 PM
Marty raving about Janisch's defense.

It was a nice play, not great. Of course, compared to what we are use to recently at ss, I can understand the excitement.

Cyclone792
04-09-2009, 02:05 PM
1-2-3 second inning for Arroyo. 39 pitches through two.

Good, clean inning for Arroyo. That helps get his pitch count back near a manageable level.

*BaseClogger*
04-09-2009, 02:07 PM
Maybe they watched Dickerson strike out against the lefty last night.

Wither Jonny Gomes?

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:08 PM
Bruce K's... 2 down

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:08 PM
Cy Perez K's the side in the Reds 2nd.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:09 PM
Edwin K's... 1-2-3 zip zip zip...

Patrick Bateman
04-09-2009, 02:10 PM
It was a nice play, not great. Of course, compared to what we are use to recently at ss, I can understand the excitement.

I think it was more because he looked good doing it. It was an easy play, or at least one that I'd expect even mediocre fielders to make most times, but you could see that Janish had really good footwork, getting himself in a position to field that ball in a perfect position where he could get back up and be in a position to make a clean throw to first.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Lead off hit by Reyes, who starts the inning because the Mets flipped the lineup because the Reds let so many guys up in the first inning with their misplays.

NJReds
04-09-2009, 02:11 PM
The Mets were considering keeping Perez in extended spring training. That's how bad he was pitching the last couple weeks. His pitching coach called him out for being out of weight with a lack of focus. Now he's Cy Young?

deltachi8
04-09-2009, 02:12 PM
Wow, great through by Hannigan.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:12 PM
Hanigan throws out Reyes by a few feet with a perfect throw.

WVRedsFan
04-09-2009, 02:13 PM
The Mets were considering keeping Perez in extended spring training. That's how bad he was pitching the last couple weeks. His pitching coach called him out for being out of weight with a lack of focus. Now he's Cy Young?

Any pitcher can look like Cy Young against the Reds.

Falls City Beer
04-09-2009, 02:13 PM
The Mets were considering keeping Perez in extended spring training. That's how bad he was pitching the last couple weeks. His pitching coach called him out for being out of weight with a lack of focus. Now he's Cy Young?

Some guys turn it on when it matters. Hard to explain, but it happens.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:15 PM
Wright walks...

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:16 PM
Delgado singles.. 1st and 3rd

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:16 PM
It was a nice play, not great. Of course, compared to what we are use to recently at ss, I can understand the excitement.

Just watching these first few games, the Reds defense really kills any chance of winning. Extra outs, extra runs, this is really the team's fatal weakness.

If Janish continues to play well in the field, I would give him a lot of playing time.

And it works the other way -- Mets would have scored already if not fo Hanigan's good throw.

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:16 PM
Any pitcher can look like Cy Young against the Reds.

Cy Young in his present state could probably get the Reds out now.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:16 PM
Two out walks will haunt, especially with lefties coming up.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:17 PM
Beltran singles in a run...1-0 Mets

NDRed
04-09-2009, 02:17 PM
Hello all, arriving late to my first game thread

They are jumping all over Arroyo's first pitch

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:17 PM
Beltran singles in a run...1-0 Mets

See. Two outs, nobody on base and a right handed hitter up. Throw strikes. Instead, he walks the RH hitter, and the two lefties get hits. Can't afford to give up too many runs with this offense.

NDRed
04-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Arroyo is at 56 pitcher already, ned the bullpen alot again today

Caveat Emperor
04-09-2009, 02:19 PM
If Janish continues to play well in the field, I would give him a lot of playing time.

If "speed and defense" are going to be the words to live by, Janish should just be penciled in at #8 for the rest of the season playing SS.

Gonzalez has been terrible so far.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:19 PM
This is starting off well.....again

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:19 PM
I'm done...

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:20 PM
At this rate... I won't even get to a game this season... What a great off-season...

CTA513
04-09-2009, 02:20 PM
3-0 Mets after Church doubles in 2

Caveat Emperor
04-09-2009, 02:21 PM
The only upsetting part about it is that I did expect the pitching would be better -- I was prepared to lose a lot of games 3-1 and 4-2, but so far the pitching has been a shade worse than horrific.

I guess losses are losses, though.

Patrick Bateman
04-09-2009, 02:22 PM
There was really no excuse for McDonald not to get that one. That ball was in the air a long time.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:22 PM
I'm just so disappointed right now. I waited all this time, got myself excited again and this happens. That's what I get for getting my hopes up.

Falls City Beer
04-09-2009, 02:22 PM
15 walks in the first 20 + innings of Reds' pitching. Yep. It's the pitching.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:22 PM
Reds should forget offense altogether, stop platooning, and just play the best defenders they can find. I'm telling you the result would be better. They are just terrible defensively, every inning something goes wrong.

JaxRed
04-09-2009, 02:23 PM
Watching on EI, I do think Dickerson would have made that play.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:24 PM
There was really no excuse for McDonald not to get that one. That ball was in the air a long time.

That's what happens when you start career minor leaguers. This is just a very poorly organized roster by Walt Jocketty.

NDRed
04-09-2009, 02:24 PM
Not likely to get much going this inning

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Look at our roster... I don't even know why I was excited... Youth means nothing unless you surround those guys with talent...

NC Reds
04-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Just got home from lunch to find us down 3-0. Not cool.

Good AB by Hanigan.

edabbs44
04-09-2009, 02:25 PM
That's what happens when you start career minor leaguers. This is just a very poorly organized roster by Walt Jocketty.

I think that is a tough overall assessment.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:26 PM
That was not an easy play in LF, but I agree with Jax that a top notch left fielder with speed could have reached it. McDonald is not adding anything defensively, he should be sent down.

When you watch the game focusing on defense instead of hitting you really start to understand why the Reds constantly lose. So many extra outs given to the other team, one after the other.

NJReds
04-09-2009, 02:27 PM
15 walks in the first 20 + innings of Reds' pitching. Yep. It's the pitching.

... and the offense ... and the defense.

NDRed
04-09-2009, 02:28 PM
Hannigan gets a walk

Janish k's

Falls City Beer
04-09-2009, 02:30 PM
Make that 16 walks in 21 innings of pitching. Totally unsustainable, even with elite defenders.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:30 PM
Perez's control is now becoming an issue...take advantage of it!

nate
04-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Make that 16 walks in 21 innings of pitching. Totally unsustainable, even with elite defenders.

And totally _______ with the way this defense has played.

NDRed
04-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Arroyo bunts over Hannigan and

Taveras walks

nate
04-09-2009, 02:32 PM
Chat is open!

*BaseClogger*
04-09-2009, 02:32 PM
The pitching will be fine. I'm not worried at all...

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:32 PM
McDonald contributes.


:lol:

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Taveras walks now has a .667 OBP. So there.

One thing I'll say about the Reds, they are taking a lot of pitches. Taking much longer to lose than last couple of years when they lost relatively quickly.

MacDonald with an RBI single, like I said, keep him around.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:33 PM
I'm not worried about the pitching, other than Arroyo.

The defense and offense scares me.

11larkin11
04-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Redszone whipping boy part Trey (Un being Patterson and Deux being Taveras) gets an RBI

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:34 PM
That's what happens when you start career minor leaguers. This is just a very poorly organized roster by Walt Jocketty.

This is what happens when you don't address your needs in the off season. It seems they just cut pasted odds and ends together. Very poor management. But that's not new for the Reds.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:34 PM
I love Joey Votto

:jump:

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm not worried about the pitching, other than Arroyo.

The defense and offense scares me.

You should also worry about the pitching.

Votto -- not too shabby so far.

11larkin11
04-09-2009, 02:34 PM
VOTTO!!!! :jump:

NC Reds
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Joey is beastly.

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Votto HR

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
I love Joey Votto

:jump:

I do too but what did he do in the game?! ;)

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
I love Joey Votto. Kid is a stud.

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Votto!!!!!!!!!!:jump::jump:

NDRed
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Told you they wouldn't do anything this inning

RFS62
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
What a sweet stroke

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Two in two days! Joey is totally tuned in all ready this year. :jump:

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Okay... Votto is definitely studly... That's obvious...

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:36 PM
I do too but what did he do in the game?! ;)

:eek:

HotCorner
04-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Joey! Joey! Joey!

This guy will one day be an MVP. I just hope it's in a Reds uniform.

Chip R
04-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Votto HR


Thank you. Let's be a little more descriptive here. Some of us aren't listening or following on Gametracker.

"Votto!" doesn't do anything for us.

Caveat Emperor
04-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Okay... Votto is definitely studly... That's obvious...

It's crazy to think, but it's entirely possible people have estimated Votto's ceiling as too low.

Another big hit against a LHP.

JaxRed
04-09-2009, 02:37 PM
Nice line drive to Right center about 3 rows deep. Never too far off ground.

oneupper
04-09-2009, 02:37 PM
Nice HR. Votto.
I must stay off the Game Thread. I'm getting a beautiful picture with MLB.tv, but paying the price with delay.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:38 PM
How good can Joey Votto be? Seriously...HOW GOOD?

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 02:38 PM
Thank you. Let's be a little more descriptive here. Some of us aren't listening or following on Gametracker.

"Votto!" doesn't do anything for us.

Word. I couldn't bear listening on the radio so I'm following here (which is what I meant by my Votto comment before, Matt, LOL :p: ). :D

Falls City Beer
04-09-2009, 02:38 PM
The pitching will be fine. I'm not worried at all...

Are you serious? Because if you are, then the team still has quite a chance.

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:38 PM
Thank you. Let's be a little more descriptive here. Some of us aren't listening or following on Gametracker.

"Votto!" doesn't do anything for us.

Sorry, Three run homer by Votto. Just like that its 4-3 Reds.

11larkin11
04-09-2009, 02:39 PM
Thank you. Let's be a little more descriptive here. Some of us aren't listening or following on Gametracker.

"Votto!" doesn't do anything for us.

With over 27,000 posts, I would figure you know what :jump: means. ;)

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:39 PM
This is what happens when you don't address your needs in the off season. It seems they just cut pasted odds and ends together. Very poor management. But that's not new for the Reds.

Correct, except it's not poor management. It's an unwillingness (understandable) to tell the fans what's really happening -- the team is being built through the farm system. No big free agents. No new major contracts.

The Reds are just biding time until the lineup has Alonso, Frazier, Bruce, Votto, maybe Valaika, Bailey, Roenicke, Viola. Many of the current guys are stop gaps and this is the result.

TRF
04-09-2009, 02:39 PM
It's crazy to think, but it's entirely possible people have estimated Votto's ceiling as too low.

Another big hit against a LHP.

Not me. I predicted a season just a tick under Pujols.

TRF
04-09-2009, 02:42 PM
Arroyo's pitch count getting up there...

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:42 PM
Arroyo an 1-2-3 4th. 4-3 Reds.

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 02:42 PM
Very nice 1, 2, 3 inning for Arroyo...

NDRed
04-09-2009, 02:44 PM
Quick 1.2.3 inning for Aroyo, 75 pitches through 4 innings not good

bucksfan2
04-09-2009, 02:45 PM
Not me. I predicted a season just a tick under Pujols.

Would that be a tick under Berkman as well?

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:45 PM
We really need this game... I don't want to go to 0-3...

TRF
04-09-2009, 02:46 PM
Would that be a tick under Berkman as well?

That is how I saw it. but Berkman is an up and down player offensively. not nearly the consistent threat Pujols is. I think Votto has a better year than Berkman this year.

*BaseClogger*
04-09-2009, 02:47 PM
Are you serious? Because if you are, then the team still has quite a chance.

Not with a mediocre defense and offense...

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 02:47 PM
Bruce fouls out to 1st
1-out

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:47 PM
Edwin walks...

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 02:47 PM
EdE walks

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:48 PM
Edwin seems a bit more patient so far this season

TRF
04-09-2009, 02:48 PM
I don't think Perez wanted any part of EE.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:48 PM
EdE has five walks this series.

*BaseClogger*
04-09-2009, 02:48 PM
Not me. I predicted a season just a tick under Pujols.

He ain't lying; he drafted Votto in the third round of one of his drafts... ;)

TRF
04-09-2009, 02:50 PM
He ain't lying; he drafted Votto in the third round of one of his drafts... ;)

Seems to be paying off too. :D

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 02:51 PM
I know I'm pretty happy to have Joey on my fantasy team again this year! :D

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Hanigan singles, EE to 2nd, 1-out

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:51 PM
nice job Hanigan...

TRF
04-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Hanigan singles to left.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:51 PM
I like Hanigan a lot...

Cyclone792
04-09-2009, 02:52 PM
EdE has five walks this series.

If you remember, I proclaimed that EE graduated from Part 2 of the Cyclone Rule last season. If he can maintain or improve the level he achieved for graduation, he'll go off with the stick.

Oh, I also proclaimed that Joey Votto graduated from Part 2 of the Cyclone Rule last season as well. Like Encarnacion, if he can maintain or improve the level he achieved for graduation, he'll go off with the stick ... kind of like we're seeing now.

;)

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:53 PM
3-2 coming to Janish...

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:53 PM
They ring him up on a check swing

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:53 PM
Janish is terrible offensively... That's obvious...

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 02:53 PM
Janish struck out, 2-out

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:54 PM
Hey, I can play defense... Can I play major league baseball too, even if I hit .200....

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:54 PM
I like Hanigan a lot...

My prediction is that Hanigan will be the everyday catcher before too long.

Blitz Dorsey
04-09-2009, 02:54 PM
Janish better be a defensive wizard this year because he's about as bad as it gets IMO as a hitter.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:54 PM
We are an Elvis Andus away from becoming a legit contender...

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:54 PM
Did Janish swing at ball 4?

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:55 PM
Janish is terrible offensively... That's obvious...


You thought he struck out on that?

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:55 PM
I bet good money that there are at least 3 pitchers on the reds staff that are better hitters than Janish...

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:55 PM
You thought he struck out on that?

I wasn't basing my opinion on 1 AB... But, no he probably didn't...

bucksfan2
04-09-2009, 02:55 PM
EdE has five walks this series.

I think Dusty has to move EdE up in the lineup.

Don't want those walks wasted. I would rather have him walk and have Votto the next one up.

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 02:56 PM
BA K's

Kc61
04-09-2009, 02:56 PM
I bet good money that there are at least 3 pitchers on the reds staff that are better hitters than Janish...

I assume you didn't like that last at bat. Is that it? Because I thought Janish was victimized by a bad call.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:56 PM
I think Dusty has to move EdE up in the lineup.

Don't want those walks wasted. I would rather have him walk and have Votto the next one up.

I wouldn't mind Edwin in the 2 spot either...

New Fever
04-09-2009, 02:56 PM
The Mets announcers are saying that it was a terrible call by the first base umpire.

11larkin11
04-09-2009, 02:56 PM
My prediction is that Hanigan will be the everyday catcher before too long.

I like Hanigan as well but what has Hernandez done to say he won't keep his job?

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 02:58 PM
The Mets have their 2-3-4 hitters coming up. Not good.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 02:58 PM
The Mets announcers are saying that it was a terrible call by the first base umpire.

Sounded like it based on Thom's and Marty's reactions

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 02:59 PM
I like Hanigan as well but what has Hernandez done to say he won't keep his job?

Nothing. I just think Hanigan will be better. Just a hunch. :)

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 02:59 PM
I assume you didn't like that last at bat. Is that it? Because I thought Janish was victimized by a bad call.

No, just an overall perspective based on observations from watching his approach at the plate... The guy has a .241 average during the past 2 seasons in AA and AAA...

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:00 PM
Murph starts it off for the Mets with a single..

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 03:01 PM
I will be so happy when this umpiring crew is gone.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:01 PM
I would warm someone up. I don't see Arroyo getting through this inning unscathed.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:01 PM
Wright singles... 1st and 3rd for Delgado..

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:02 PM
Bronson needs to roll up a double play right here...

bucksfan2
04-09-2009, 03:02 PM
Sounds like Phillips is having a bad day defensively.

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:03 PM
Sounds like Phillips is having a bad day defensively.

What happened?

11larkin11
04-09-2009, 03:03 PM
More horrible defense by the Reds...

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:03 PM
FC, run scores... 4-4

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:04 PM
What happened?

Line drive off the glove of Phillips. Marty said he should have caught it and it would have been a DP.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:04 PM
4-6-3 DP... 4-4 mid 5...

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:04 PM
Reds get the DP one batter late. 4-4 game now going to the Reds 5th.

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 03:04 PM
I guess that could have been worse. :eek:

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:05 PM
Phillips going to let that Gold glove go to his head, like that 30 HR season did last season..?

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:05 PM
Line drive off the glove of Phillips. Marty said he should have caught it and it would have been a DP.

Two botched double plays today and three in the last two games. I think the defense has actually gotten worse, if that's possible. Can't really fault the pitching when the fielders can't catch the ball. I don't care who you are, when you give teams four and five outs a game you are going to allow runs.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 03:05 PM
No, just an overall perspective based on observations from watching his approach at the plate... The guy has a .241 average during the past 2 seasons in AA and AAA...

I don't know which Reds pitchers have a .241 BA, except maybe Owings who can hit but isn't ever exposed to serious right handed pitching.

Janish will never be a great hitter, but if he continues to play outstanding defense IMO he will be adequate in the 8th spot in the order. Last year he made contact most of the time and he's supposedly stronger this year.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:05 PM
Taveras, McDonald, Votto coming up...

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:06 PM
Taveras, McDonald, Votto coming up...

That was quite effective last time around :)

NC Reds
04-09-2009, 03:06 PM
Joe Nuxhall is the answer to the Mets channel trivia question today.

I miss the old left hander.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:07 PM
Willy T bunts his way on!

*BaseClogger*
04-09-2009, 03:07 PM
Taveras, McDonald, Votto coming up...

That sounds so sad... :(

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:07 PM
I don't know which Reds pitchers have a .241 BA, except maybe Owings who can hit but isn't ever exposed to serious right handed pitching.

Janish will never be a great hitter, but if he continues to play outstanding defense IMO he will be adequate in the 8th spot in the order. Last year he made contact most of the time and he's supposedly stronger this year.

I was being a little big sarcastic, but I know there are 3 pitchers on the reds staff who would hit around that average in AA or AAA, especially if they worked on hitting daily... Regardless of how good of a defender Janish is, there is no way it makes up for his lack of offensive capabilities. On the Yankees, yes... But, we can't have 2 automatic outs at the bottom of the order the way our line-up is constructed...

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:08 PM
Taveras with the beauty of a bunt...

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:08 PM
2 on for God, I mean Votto.

VR
04-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Two botched double plays today and three in the last two games. I think the defense has actually gotten worse, if that's possible. Can't really fault the pitching when the fielders can't catch the ball. I don't care who you are, when you give teams four and five outs a game you are going to allow runs.

In the macro, I think the defense is going to be monumentally better. Greatly improved at the corners w/ another year for those two. Improved cohesiveness up the middle w/ Gonzo and BP. No contest at catcher and the 3 outfield positions. Not even close, actually.

So, yes....there will be speed bumps, but the table is set for much better d on the field and on the bench.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Mickey D walks... 1st and 2nd for the stud!

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:10 PM
Need to get a run or two (or more) here.

jojo
04-09-2009, 03:10 PM
Willy T bunts his way on!

That just bought him 150 PA's worth of rope...

Kc61
04-09-2009, 03:10 PM
I was being a little big sarcastic, but I know there are 3 pitchers on the reds staff who would hit around that average in AA or AAA, especially if they worked on hitting daily... Regardless of how good of a defender Janish is, there is no way it makes up for his lack of offensive capabilities. On the Yankees, yes... But, we can't have 2 automatic outs at the bottom of the order the way our line-up is constructed...

Not to interfere with the game thread, but I respectfully disagree. I feel the opposite. Many Reds over the last few years could not make up offensively for their failure to play defense.

Janish in the 8 hole will be just fine if he continues with the leather. It would be nice to have occasional defensive innings when the pitcher only has to get three outs.

BoydsOfSummer
04-09-2009, 03:11 PM
Votto is King, there are none higher...all the other MC's call him Sire!

VR
04-09-2009, 03:12 PM
Last batter for Perez?

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:12 PM
Great AB....

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:13 PM
RBI single!

HE IS A MACHINE

bucksfan2
04-09-2009, 03:13 PM
Isn't Perez a pretty nasty lefty?

cincrazy
04-09-2009, 03:13 PM
Joey Votto RBI single.... my oh my.

jojo
04-09-2009, 03:13 PM
Votto is King, there are none higher...all the other MC's call him Sire!

I don't know about king but one certainly gets the impression that Perez doesn't intimidate Votto....

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:13 PM
Votto an RBI single,5-4 Reds

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:14 PM
Votto... man...

NJReds
04-09-2009, 03:14 PM
RBI single!

HE IS A MACHINE

I love his approach to hitting. I think his time in the WBC put him on the national radar as well.

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:14 PM
Phillips a SF to make it 6-4 Reds.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Phillips with a big SAC! 6-4 Reds

Falls City Beer
04-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Time to make hay; their bullpen looms.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Not to interfere with the game thread, but I respectfully disagree. I feel the opposite. Many Reds over the last few years could not make up offensively for their failure to play defense.

Janish in the 8 hole will be just fine if he continues with the leather. It would be nice to have occasional defensive innings when the pitcher only has to get three outs.

Let's just agree that Joey Votto is a stud of a man...

Kc61
04-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Let's just agree that Joey Votto is a stud of a man...

We won't disagree on Votto, that's for sure.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Votto is the first Reds with back to back 3 run HR games since Griffey did it 3 years ago.

That's some good company.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Imagine if the Reds would've actually traded away Votto for Bedard, like so many people wanted.. wow

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Nice at bat Bruce!

TheBurn
04-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Bruce walks

TRF
04-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Bruce BB.

That's a good sign against a LH pitcher.

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Perez is done.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Great AB by Bruce.. 1st and 2nd with Edwin coming up... I'm guessing a pitching change will be right here...

bucksfan2
04-09-2009, 03:18 PM
Imagine if the Reds would've actually traded away Votto for Bedard, like so many people wanted.. wow

Wasn't it Votto and Cueto?

I also though Beane wanted Votto for Blanton.

BoydsOfSummer
04-09-2009, 03:19 PM
Votto has 5 AB's against Perez with a 2.400 OPS.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:19 PM
D O'Day pitching... who?

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:20 PM
D O'Day pitching... who?

Never heard of this pitcher either.

jojo
04-09-2009, 03:20 PM
Lets just say the Reds are on Perez's no-trade list..... :D

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:20 PM
EdE HBP Bases loaded

NJReds
04-09-2009, 03:21 PM
D O'Day pitching... who?

He was a Rule 5 guy that the Mets kept. That's all I know.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 03:21 PM
Hit the fly ball, Hanigan.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:21 PM
Edwin takes one for the team... bases jacked for Hanigan!

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:21 PM
Big opportunity here. Bases loaded and only one out. Need to get at least another run here.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:22 PM
Angels and A's game tonight has been cancelled.

The right move in my opinion.

cincrazy
04-09-2009, 03:22 PM
I wouldn't be THAT surprised to see this Reds offense pull a 2008 Cincinnati Bengals D.... which is to be surprisingly productive. Not great or top notch, but good enough.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:22 PM
3-1

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:23 PM
I'd take this pitch.

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 03:23 PM
So when do we get a smiley face icon to use here for Joey Votto?! :D

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:23 PM
I wouldn't be THAT surprised to see this Reds offense pull a 2008 Cincinnati Bengals D.... which is to be surprisingly productive. Not great or top notch, but good enough.

Yeah, but what if the Reds pitching pulls a 2008 Cincinnati Bengals offense... Something that was supposed to be a strong point, but becomes a weak point...

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:23 PM
Hanigan pops out to short right. Nobody advances.

HeatherC1212
04-09-2009, 03:23 PM
Angels and A's game tonight has been cancelled.

The right move in my opinion.

That doesn't surprise me and I'm glad to hear it too. No way do those Angels guys want to play a game today. :(

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
C'mon Janish, make me a liar...

bucksfan2
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Janish needs to pull a Roger Doran and get hit by the pitch.

Kc61
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Reds leaving Janish up. Might go with Dickerson here. This is a righty side arm pitcher, tough on righty batters.

Take it back. Single by Janish. Good hitter.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Janish drives in 2!

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Hanigan swung at the 3-1 pitch and popped out.

jojo
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
D O'Day pitching... who?

He'd make a cool bobblehead....

cincrazy
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Paul "The Big Stick" Janish with a clutch 2 run single.

cumberlandreds
04-09-2009, 03:24 PM
C'mon Janish, make me a liar...

Liar!Liar Liar! ;)

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:25 PM
YES!!! KC, that ones for you! lol 8-4 Reds

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:25 PM
Greta job Paul! 8-4 Reds.

Blitz Dorsey
04-09-2009, 03:25 PM
See, I told you Janish could hit! Haha.

The crow tastes a little like chicken by the way.

Hey, I LOVE when I'm wrong if it means something good happened for the Reds.

Matt700wlw
04-09-2009, 03:25 PM
Offense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:26 PM
That was a huge hit... Big difference in 6-4 and 8-4....

Kc61
04-09-2009, 03:26 PM
YES!!! KC, that ones for you! lol 8-4 Reds


Hey, if they score two runs it's for everyone.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:26 PM
Hey, I could eat crow all day long if it means something good is happening with the Reds...

Falls City Beer
04-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Charter member of the Janish Fan Club.

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:27 PM
8-4 Reds after 5...

Tom Servo
04-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Why is it that the good, exciting gam with the Reds winning isn't televised?

jesusfan
04-09-2009, 03:27 PM
I'm going to wash my car, hopefully we get this win... Be back in a bit... GO REDS and GO JANISH!

OnBaseMachine
04-09-2009, 03:28 PM
Arroyo hit for himself? He's at 88 pitches and two runners were on. I would've PH. Dusty needs to have a VERY short leash this inning.