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membengal
04-11-2009, 03:06 PM
Rats. A ball at the ankles and off the outside part of the plate is blooped into RF for a single and the run scores.

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:06 PM
Is Brantley usually this bad as a pbp guy?!

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:06 PM
McLouth with a bloop RBI single. Walks to weak hitters like Morgan are killer. Throw strikes.

Tony Cloninger
04-11-2009, 03:06 PM
How do you know which pitch is meaningless? How would you know when and how he will be injured?

The guy seemed to get stronger later and it looks to me that it was based on his long layoff. 9 extra pitches is going to get him hurt? I am sure one of these days he might get hurt but i doubt you will be able to pinpoint it all to early season starts that last more than 90-100 pitches.

Caseyfan21
04-11-2009, 03:07 PM
Why is Morgan slamming into Hernandez like that on a play that isn't even close? Seems like that was totally unnecessary.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:07 PM
McLouth with a bloop RBI single. Walks to weak hitters like Morgan are killer. Throw strikes.

Agreed.

But I think he did. Still not grooving to some of those pitches called as balls to Morgan.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:07 PM
That's the game. I'm no Bray fan, but Herrerra's pretty evidently out of his league. Trick pitchers were fine in the unpolished eras of baseball, but nowadays, they don't stand a chance, unless they're extreme one-batter loogys.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:08 PM
Herrera picks up the 3rd K of the inning.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:09 PM
I'm rocking the 12" TV today and in my quadragenarian years. Was Dr. H's last pitch 55 or 65 mph?

Team Clark
04-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Why is Morgan slamming into Hernandez like that on a play that isn't even close? Seems like that was totally unnecessary.

Because Hernandez was standing on top of the plate. Not sure what else he could do. Not the greatest looking play but the guy has to score.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:09 PM
That's the game. I'm no Bray fan, but Herrerra's pretty evidently out of his league. Trick pitchers were fine in the unpolished eras of baseball, but nowadays, they don't stand a chance, unless they're extreme one-batter loogys.


I am not ready to jump to that conclusion. That was a questionable BB and a true bloop wrapped around three Ks through the top of their line-up.

SMcGavin
04-11-2009, 03:09 PM
That's the game. I'm no Bray fan, but Herrerra's pretty evidently out of his league. Trick pitchers were fine in the unpolished eras of baseball, but nowadays, they don't stand a chance, unless they're extreme one-batter loogys.

Five batters, three Ks, a walk and a bloop single.

RedsManRick
04-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Herrera simply hasn't been sharp during the regular season. He's not locating the ball well at all, which was one of his real strengths. I do think he'll stick in the majors eventually, but I'm not sure how much rope the Reds will give him.

Even then, it's not like he got rocked.

flyer85
04-11-2009, 03:10 PM
How do you know which pitch is meaningless? How would you know when and how he will be injured?.you don't ... but pitchers 23 and under are at higher risk for injury, whatever can be done to mitigate that risk is simply smart mangement.

Will it make a difference? You will never know for sure but the smart play for the next few seasons is to limit his pitch count whenever the chance is there.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:10 PM
Five batters, three Ks, a walk and a bloop single.

You saw opening day. He has terrible control as well. But then so does Bray. So it's difficult. Doubt they want to pitch Rhodes every game.

Team Clark
04-11-2009, 03:11 PM
I would feel a lot better about the offense if Frank Robinson were the hitting coach.

jesusfan
04-11-2009, 03:11 PM
Phillips leads off with a walk...

nate
04-11-2009, 03:11 PM
Nice AB by BP to start thing inning.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:11 PM
Four pitch BB to Brandon to start the 7th.

90 pitches for Maholm now.

jesusfan
04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
3-1 to Edwin...

Team Clark
04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
Maholm fading off to the 3rd base side. Going to keep his change and off speed outside to RH hitters.

flyer85
04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
I would feel a lot better about the offense if Frank Robinson were the hitting coach.I would feel a lot better about the offense if they actually had patient quality hitting

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
Gift call for Maholm on that 1-0 pitch.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
According to Picaro, this is the 25th time in his last 26 starts that Maholm has gone as least 6. That's getting it done.

jesusfan
04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
BP steals 2nd... Don't know why he would though...

SMcGavin
04-11-2009, 03:13 PM
You saw opening day. He has terrible control as well. But then so does Bray. So it's difficult. Doubt they want to pitch Rhodes every game.

Yeah, he looked bad on opening day. I thought he looked pretty good today.

Herrera has something like 2.0 BB/9 for his minor league career. He has had control issues in his two innings of work thus far this season but I certainly don't think he has terrible control.

RedsManRick
04-11-2009, 03:14 PM
You saw opening day. He has terrible control as well. But then so does Bray. So it's difficult. Doubt they want to pitch Rhodes every game.

Herrera has a career 2.5 BB/9 in the minors. Yes, he's not had that control in the majors, but he hardly "has terrible control". Terrible control is Fransisco Cordero and his 4.2 BB/9.

jesusfan
04-11-2009, 03:14 PM
Edwin grounds to 2nd... would've been a DP.. I guess i'm glad BP stole 2nd afterall..

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:14 PM
Phillips swipes 2nd, then EE lines a short-hop to 2nd, Phillips to third.

Team Clark
04-11-2009, 03:14 PM
I would feel a lot better about the offense if they actually had patient quality hitting

That was my first wish. I'm on my second tier now. :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:15 PM
Gotta love it. The Pirates have had multiple bloopers/65 hoppers find open space for hits. The Reds have hit 3/4 rockets and nothing to show for it.

jesusfan
04-11-2009, 03:15 PM
WE SCORED! 5-1

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:16 PM
Bruce gets the only RBI...vs a lefty no less.

Kc61
04-11-2009, 03:16 PM
That's the game. I'm no Bray fan, but Herrerra's pretty evidently out of his league. Trick pitchers were fine in the unpolished eras of baseball, but nowadays, they don't stand a chance, unless they're extreme one-batter loogys.

Herrera cannot be walking guys as he did his first two outings. I wouldn't be that critical of him for giving up a long hit to someone like McLouth. But if Herrera is going to continue giving up extra baserunners by walking people, he'll be back at AAA pretty soon. He doesn't have the blow away stuff to withstand the walks.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Bruce grounds out 2b, runner scores.

OBM is correct, Reds can't buy a break with balls they have hit hard. On the 2-0 pitch, Bruce hit one over 1b and down the line that looked like a double but was about six inches foul.

Hernandez grounds out on first pitch.

5-1 Pirates after 7.

jesusfan
04-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Gotta love it. The Pirates have had multiple bloopers/65 hoppers find open space for hits. The Reds have hit 3/4 rockets and nothing to show for it.

We've definitely not had luck on our side today...

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:18 PM
Bruce gets the only RBI...vs a lefty no less.

Good thing he didn't have to come up with the bases loaded, who knows WHAT would have happened.

Tony Cloninger
04-11-2009, 03:19 PM
I wonder how this lineup would do against Randy Jones.

I would love for Cueto/Volquez and Harang to go 7 innings and max at 100-110 pitches...or better even at 90-100....but they just are not those type of pitchers. 6 innings of 100-110 is the best you seem to get from them.

Soto...even for all his great stuff....was always a high pitch count guy.
But i do not see those 3 ever going 120 + every game.....like he pretty much used to do.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:19 PM
Burton on to pitch the 8th.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:20 PM
Burton gets squeezed on two straight pitches.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:21 PM
He did indeed.

Fly ball to warning track in CF for first out.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:22 PM
I wonder how this lineup would do against Randy Jones.

I would love for Cueto/Volquez and Harang to go 7 innings and max at 100-110 pitches...or better even at 90-100....but they just are not those type of pitchers. 6 innings of 100-110 is the best you seem to get from them.

Soto...even for all his great stuff....was always a high pitch count guy.
But i do not see those 3 ever going 120 + every game.....like he pretty much used to do.

Cueto, Volquez, and Harang are all low-efficiency pitchers, which means you have to have a deep bullpen, like 1999's. Forget the K's and throw more strikes. Junior's gone.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:22 PM
Where are those pitches?

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:23 PM
Ground ball to SS for out number 2.

Tony Cloninger
04-11-2009, 03:23 PM
Is this the same umpiring crew from the Mets?

And people do not want machines calling balls and strikes....sure let these guys do it since they do it so well and then we can preserve more arms.

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:23 PM
per gameday on mlb.com this ump, well, he's teh suck.

reds44
04-11-2009, 03:24 PM
We've definitely not had luck on our side today...
Well, to be fair, Taveras did rob a guy of at least a 2 RBI double and Bruce threw a guy out at the plate.

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:24 PM
Ed Montague is the HP ump...he's having a HORRIBLE day behind the dish, imo.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:24 PM
He's def not a fan of raising his right hand at a ball at the knees...

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:25 PM
Seems kind of late in the game for people to be complaining about strike zones? Did he have a fugue episode and start sucking? Where were the complaints earlier?

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:25 PM
Line drive out to Alex G.

5-1 Pirates, middle of 8.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:26 PM
Seems kind of late in the game for people to be complaining about strike zones? Did he have a fugue episode and start sucking? Where were the complaints earlier?

I'm not complaining, I'm noting. Reds have not been patient enough to make it as much of an issue with Maholm. Are you watching it?

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:28 PM
Maholm out, Grabow in. More leftys.

BCubb2003
04-11-2009, 03:28 PM
At this time of the year, the pitchers are ahead of the umpires.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:28 PM
Alex G just called out on a weird play at the plate. Ball went about an inch in front of the plate and Alex G touched it with his foot.

One out.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Ah, that's not something you see every day.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Reds' Wednesday starter at the plate to pinch hit.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:30 PM
Reds' Wed starter just missed a homerun by about one inch.

Double.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:30 PM
Whoa, Owings just misses a HR!

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:30 PM
Crushed it, from the way Marty reacted...

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:31 PM
Taveras just took ball one on a pitch that was at the knees. Looked like a K and Grabow got squeezed. There you go, FCB.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:31 PM
Crushed it, from the way Marty reacted...


It was absolutely lathered.

reds44
04-11-2009, 03:32 PM
Owings!

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:32 PM
Owings crushed that.

Taveras swings at a pitch in the dirt and then takes one down the middle for strike three.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:32 PM
u g l y at-bat from Willy T, just took a fastball dead red for a looking strike three.

Hairston up.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:32 PM
Bunting with 2 outs?

Matt700wlw
04-11-2009, 03:33 PM
Owings just walked up and swatted....:lol:

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:33 PM
Where was that pitch? Grabow frustrated.

2-1 on Hairston.

reds44
04-11-2009, 03:33 PM
Uh, Willy.

Swing

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:34 PM
Count full on Hairston.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:35 PM
K from Hairston.

Frustrating start to Hairston's year. Not much of the '08 magic yet this week.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:35 PM
Hairston K's. Grabow was squeezed on a pitch in that atbat. It's early, but Hairston looks lost.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:35 PM
Hairston runs the count to 3-3.

He seemed displeased.

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:35 PM
I'm frustrated with the game and Direct TV today, but damn, I wish Dickerson could get a shot to prove himself....

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:36 PM
Hairston K's. Grabow was squeezed on a pitch in that atbat. It's early, but Hairston looks lost.

He looked TOTALLY lost in the OF on OD....

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:37 PM
Mike Lincoln in for the Reds.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:37 PM
Hot Rod in to pitch.

Kc61
04-11-2009, 03:37 PM
It's ok. Reds will win another game at some point.

Maybe in May sometime. Or June.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:38 PM
It's ok. Reds will win another game at some point.

Maybe in May sometime. Or June.

I don't think anyone is over-reacting in here, for what it's worth. Just talking about the game as it unfolds.

Lead-off BB to Jack Wilson from Lincoln.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:38 PM
Speaking of control...

...Mike Lincoln didn't seem to have it in that walk to Wilson.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:39 PM
Lincoln has been terrible as well. Really, the only pitchers who are earning their checks are Rhodes, Weathers, and Cordero.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:40 PM
Wilson gets picked off.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:40 PM
Lincoln picks off Wilson. Nice work from Lincoln there.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:41 PM
It stinks they gave Lincoln a two year deal. I'd much rather have Roenicke or Fisher than Lincoln. He's not awful but it sure would be nice to have another power arm to go with Cordero and Burton.

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:41 PM
Jeez. Back to back walks.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:41 PM
When I think of poor control, I'm thinking more of what Lincoln's done with back to back walks than what Dr. H did today.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:41 PM
If Lincoln navigates the rest of this inning, that will be three innings of one run ball from the bullpen. That is far from awful.

Unfortunately, another BB from Lincoln. Morgan up.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:42 PM
Lincoln does have the curve breaking nicely, just not for strikes.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:43 PM
Single from Morgan moves Hinske to 2nd.

Lincoln is NOT sharp. Herrera was. There is a bit of difference between their outings, fyi.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:43 PM
Morgan singles.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:43 PM
There's a curve for strike, he needs to get that pitch over.

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:44 PM
So let's take stock of things...

The Reds have faced some pretty tough pitching thus far in the season.

They are showing a pretty fair amount of patience at the plate, although the top of the lineup hasn't done much.

The BP has been pretty decent, as a whole. Too many BB's, but a lot of that was on OD and could have been due to jitters.

I long to face some RH pitchers, though. I really want CD in the lineup!

Kc61
04-11-2009, 03:44 PM
I don't think anyone is over-reacting in here, for what it's worth. Just talking about the game as it unfolds.

Lead-off BB to Jack Wilson from Lincoln.

I don't think anyone is over-reacting. The Reds are earning any reaction they get.

It's only one game, only one homestand, but teams are supposed to win some games at home.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:44 PM
Grounder to mound gets force at 2nd. No DP because Morgan cleans Alex G out of the picture. Morgan is an aggressive base-runner. Nice to see.

Tony Cloninger
04-11-2009, 03:44 PM
Is this ump even capable of knowing that curves can go over the plate for strikes?

nate
04-11-2009, 03:45 PM
Morgan does a good job to break up the DP on a ball hit back to Hot Rod.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:45 PM
Not liking this McLouth/Lincoln match-up.

3-0 count.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:46 PM
I'm not sure Hot Rod could hit the "Lumber Liquidators" sign right now.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:46 PM
BB to "Freaking Tanner."

Stormy
04-11-2009, 03:46 PM
I have a feeling this #1/2 tandem of Taveras and Hairston will drive Reds fans to despair in pretty short order, meaning Dickerson really better get out of the gates quickly, or the top of this order might be the most futile table setting crew in the NL. I think Hairston's brief stint of impersonating a ballplayer is already in the rearview mirror. I predict that 2008/2009 will prove the worst offense we've witnessed since 2001/2002, but that at least we'll fare better against RHP than LHP.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:47 PM
McLouth walks. Third walk of the inning handed out by Lincoln.

Unfortunately, he is by and large missing the plate by a bunch.

Bases loaded.

jojo
04-11-2009, 03:47 PM
It stinks they gave Lincoln a two year deal. I'd much rather have Roenicke or Fisher than Lincoln. He's not awful but it sure would be nice to have another power arm to go with Cordero and Burton.

That's really the heart of it...."Lincoln" just isn't that hard to find. Why lock up vanilla ice cream?

Matt700wlw
04-11-2009, 03:47 PM
Lincoln wouldn't know the strike zone if it were holding a sign that said "STRIKE ZONE"

nate
04-11-2009, 03:47 PM
Uh oh

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:47 PM
woops

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:47 PM
9-1 Pittsburgh.

Pirates shopping at No-doubters-R-us with that shot.

Matt700wlw
04-11-2009, 03:47 PM
:lol:

This team is not very good.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:48 PM
Doumit crushes a grand slam. Seriously, who didn't see that coming?

nate
04-11-2009, 03:48 PM
I'll just put my rally cap away.

Matt700wlw
04-11-2009, 03:48 PM
And the organization wonders why they have attendance problems...

reds44
04-11-2009, 03:48 PM
Lincoln is good.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:49 PM
B2B.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:49 PM
Can we just go ahead and cut Lincoln now? Maybe the Twins still want him? Bring up Fisher or Roenicke.

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:49 PM
Batting Practice Baby!!!!

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:49 PM
I'll just put my rally cap away.

Me too...b2b LMAO!


Glad the Canucks are on TV at least :thumbup:

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:49 PM
I have a feeling this #1/2 tandem of Taveras and Hairston will drive Reds fans to despair in pretty short order, meaning Dickerson really better get out of the gates quickly, or the top of this order might be the most futile table setting crew in the NL. I think Hairston's brief stint of impersonating a ballplayer is already in the rearview mirror. I predict that 2008/2009 will prove the worst offense we've witnessed since 2001/2002, but that at least we'll fare better against RHP than LHP.

I share your concern on Hairston's potential re-entry from where he orbited the Reds' earth in 2008. I am more than a little concerned at how many at-bats they hand him as he re-enters at the expense of Dickerson. That will define, in large measure, how rough the first few months are, in my opinion.

10-1 Pittsburgh.

reds44
04-11-2009, 03:49 PM
Oh now it's just funny.

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:49 PM
Can we just go ahead and cut Lincoln now? Maybe the Twins still want him? Bring up Fisher or Roenicke.

Hell no. We got this bad boy locked up for two years.

Stormy
04-11-2009, 03:50 PM
As was noted at the time of the signing, Walt brought back several of the 'wrong' relievers, Lincoln being one of the more obvious examples.

jojo
04-11-2009, 03:50 PM
Man that wasn't even batting practice location....it was homerun derby location.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:50 PM
Wow, 10-1 to the Pirates.

Oh wait, we get to bat still.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:50 PM
I think this organization needs another sea change, like the one they had in reconfiguring the offense. Except this time, focus on pitchers. Go after pitchers with middling K numbers/velocity, and unreal control.

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:51 PM
As was noted at the time of the signing, Walt brought back several of the 'wrong' relievers, Lincoln being one of the more obvious examples.

I can't believe he gave a reliever with Lincoln's history, or lack thereof, a multi-year deal. Just baffling.

Tony Cloninger
04-11-2009, 03:51 PM
Well ....today's Joe Hoerner award goes to......

jojo
04-11-2009, 03:51 PM
And the organization wonders why they have attendance problems...

Its sad seeing all of the empty seats on a Saturday.

CTA513
04-11-2009, 03:52 PM
Some Reds minor league pitchers have to be happy how things are going.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:52 PM
Lincoln has allowed 9 runs in 2.1 innings. Why Walt?

nate
04-11-2009, 03:52 PM
Should I waste a rally cap wearing?

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Should I waste a rally cap wearing?

I think you should seriously consider picking up Lincoln for your fantasy team.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Votto SMOKES IT!

Right at Sanchez.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Votto hits a rocket ... right at Sanchez. Unbelievable.

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Votto lines out to 2b.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:53 PM
Lincoln has allowed 9 runs in 2.1 innings. Why Walt?

I'd love to pin it on one pitcher. I really would. But right now, the terrible performances are the rule, not the exception.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:54 PM
I think you should seriously consider picking up Lincoln for your fantasy team.

And trade him to you!

GAC
04-11-2009, 03:54 PM
I think this organization needs another sea change, like the one they had in reconfiguring the offense. Except this time, focus on pitchers. Go after pitchers with middling K numbers/velocity, and unreal control.

I guarantee you that by season's end, the BIGGER problem with this team won't be the pitching. And that's not saying this staff is sound. But this team MIGHT score 700 runs.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:54 PM
I guarantee you that by season's end, the BIGGER problem with this team won't be the pitching. This team MIGHT score 700 runs.

It's a bet.

WMR
04-11-2009, 03:55 PM
It's a bet.

We know about FCB and his bets! ;)

nate
04-11-2009, 03:55 PM
I guarantee you that by season's end, the BIGGER problem with this team won't be the pitching. And that's not saying this staff is sound. But this team MIGHT score 700 runs.

Better get a middle man to hold the bet, GAC!

I'm still waiting for my drink from last year!

:cool:

membengal
04-11-2009, 03:56 PM
It's only Votto who has homered for Cincy this week, right?

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 03:56 PM
I'd love to pin it on one pitcher. I really would. But right now, the terrible performances are the rule, not the exception.

Lincoln has allowed 9 of the 27 runs allowed.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:56 PM
BP invokes the "ground ball with eyes."

GAC
04-11-2009, 03:57 PM
We know about FCB and his bets! ;)


Better get a middle man to hold the bet, GAC!

I'm still waiting for my drink from last year!

:cool:


:p:

Patrick Bateman
04-11-2009, 03:58 PM
The Mike Lincoln signing was insane when it happened. It's frsutrating seeing these types of mistake being made over and over, even with the revolving door of GMs.

Kc61
04-11-2009, 03:58 PM
The one signing this off season I didn't understand was Lincoln. He didn't do well late in the season last year, I wonder why the Reds thought he would be good this season.

Lincoln had a 5.47 ERA in the second half last season with a 1.595 WHIP.

nate
04-11-2009, 03:58 PM
EE works a walk.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Lincoln has allowed 9 of the 27 runs allowed.

Averaging 7 runs allowed per game so far. Sure Lincoln has been particularly bad, but it's been plain ugly all around.

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Yet another BB for EdE. :thumbup:

Hey, I'm trying to be positive on a Saturday....

nate
04-11-2009, 04:00 PM
Bruce goes the other way, Morgan fields it and falls down, BP scores.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 04:01 PM
Nice piece of hitting by Bruce. He's driven in both runs today.

Matt700wlw
04-11-2009, 04:02 PM
The Reds couldn't run the bases if the field had arrows on it...

nate
04-11-2009, 04:02 PM
Whee, some more brilliant baserunning by the Reds!

GAC
04-11-2009, 04:02 PM
Bruce goes the other way, Morgan fields it and falls down, BP scores.

10-2 now. I feel better. Thank God their LFer fell down :p:

And more poor base running by Bruce to dbl up the runner and end the game. :lol:

SirFelixCat
04-11-2009, 04:02 PM
LOL and the baserunning finishes it.


Jesus people. Could you embarass yourselves more?

WMR
04-11-2009, 04:02 PM
hahahahahahahahaha

I'm sorry, I have to laugh.

Keystone Kops.

:laugh:

membengal
04-11-2009, 04:02 PM
Just a butt-kicking today. Hopefully a better effort all the way around for Easter Sunday.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 04:03 PM
And more poor base running by Bruce to dbl up the runner and end the game. :lol:

Phillips too.

GAC
04-11-2009, 04:03 PM
Just a butt-kicking today. Hopefully a better effort all the way around for Easter Sunday.

They definitely need a resurrection.

Joseph
04-11-2009, 04:04 PM
LOL and the baserunning finishes it.


Jesus people. Could you embarass yourselves more?

We're the only ones who are embarrassed, clearly they aren't.

reds44
04-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Wonderful baserunning by Bruce.

We're focusing on the fundamentals folks.

jojo
04-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Sometimes ugly is cute (like a bulldog puppy), sometimes ugly isn't so pretty.

GAC
04-11-2009, 04:05 PM
Phillips too.

Why? Berry held him up and BP looked back and saw the LFer stumble. That's heads up by BP IMO. Berry stinks as a 3B coach IMO.

Patrick Bateman
04-11-2009, 04:05 PM
I'm constantly amazed at how professional baseball players can make such idiotic mistakes like that by Bruce. When he's on the base paths in that situation, he needs to know that his run means nothing. He got on base, that's all he can do, the rest of his job is to not do anything stupid and create an out on the base paths. Getting out in that situation is completely inexcusable.

Bruce needs some talking to after that one, that was just childish.

alloverjr
04-11-2009, 04:07 PM
Is it possible to be out of it by Easter? ;)

Pitching and defense folks.

Falls City Beer
04-11-2009, 04:07 PM
This organization, as I said, is just mired in low expectations and disorder. It has been for so long it's hard to remember that they used to be a model of rigor and discipline.

WMR
04-11-2009, 04:08 PM
They definitely need a resurrection.

I'm thinking an exorcism. :p:

jojo
04-11-2009, 04:10 PM
We're the only ones who are embarrassed, clearly they aren't.

Embarrassing is a perfect descriptor. Starting 1 and 3 is one thing but it's tough to see these guys even being competitive while watching a day like today.

It's imperative that the Reds start off well this season both from the standpoint of their gate and their playoff chances. Today isn't a death knell to either but it's frustrating to wonder if there is any sense of urgency in the GABP boys.

WMR
04-11-2009, 04:11 PM
I'm constantly amazed at how professional baseball players can make such idiotic mistakes like that by Bruce. When he's on the base paths in that situation, he needs to know that his run means nothing. He got on base, that's all he can do, the rest of his job is to not do anything stupid and create an out on the base paths. Getting out in that situation is completely inexcusable.

Bruce needs some talking to after that one, that was just childish.

I couldn't agree more. Childish is exactly right.

RedsManRick
04-11-2009, 04:12 PM
It's one thing to move to a pitching, defense, and run manufacturing style. It's another thing to execute on it. With the amount of offense we lost, simply moving to mediocre defense and pitching isn't going to get it done -- especially if the offense is going to run in to outs on a regular basis.

Razor Shines
04-11-2009, 05:17 PM
Hairston runs the count to 3-3.

He seemed displeased.

:laugh::laugh:

Post of the thread.

Far East
04-11-2009, 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
Yeah, he definitely wasn't going full speed the whole time. He was kind of coasting then tried to turn it on at the last second but it was too late.

Grande's buddy Jim Edmonds would have had it... :cool:

That's a tough play having to go that far and judge it over your head. I can't get on him too hard for that one.

If I were Tavaras' dad, I'd tell him three things:

(A) You know I love you, but .......................

(B) It looked to me like you were trying to time the approach and the leap at the fence to make the (extra base hit robbing) catch look better than it actually was, and

(C) It looked to me like you were trying to time your run and reach for the Pirate triple over your head and just misjudged your reach in attempting to make the catch look more difficult than than it actually was.

I know, I can't read the guy's mind or KNOW his intent, but IMHO, he was styling!

If I were Baker, I'd be trying to find out Wily's intent on those two plays, and if I didn't like the answers, Tavaras would have to prove to me that his future play would be "team" play or he'd never see CF ever again, maybe not even a roster spot.

Of course, before I'd bench the guy I'd need some proof, not just my suspicions, but my money is on the fact that -- with his speed -- Tavaras could have come closer to making both of those fly balls look more routine.

I do not mean that they were super easy; the two flies were not "cans of corn" by any means, but neither were they "high light" plays unless, IMHO, a fielder with Tavaras" speed made them look that way.

If I were Dusty, I'd be checking the replays and watching him closely in the future.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Why? Berry held him up and BP looked back and saw the LFer stumble. That's heads up by BP IMO. Berry stinks as a 3B coach IMO.

Sorry, I meant EdE.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 06:34 PM
I hope this isn't going to be like last year when the Reds played well against teams above .500 but were awful against the bad teams. They could have easily swept the Mets, or at least won 2 of 3. Now they come out and get smoked by the Pirates.

I expect things to get better. I'm still excited about the pitching. Cueto and Volquez have nasty stuff; Harang looked good in his first start; Arroyo was decent considering the defense behind him, plus he was facing a tough lineup stacked with LH batters. The pitching will be fine, IMO.

OnBaseMachine
04-11-2009, 07:28 PM
quotes from Bruce:

"I don't know what I was thinking. I wasn't. There is absolutely no excuse for that. It was a lack of focus and I have to do a better job. Who knows if we would have won or not but that's not even giving my team a chance."

"One out down nine runs, my run doesn't mean anything first of all. I just have to give us a chance and I didn't. I have to have more focus and more concentration. I had nothing."

"Off the bat I didn't think he was going to catch it. That's no reason to take off to the races like that. You've got to know the outs and be in position to do both. I just wasn't paying attention. It was ridiculous and embarrassing. It can't happen again, that's for sure. I have to do a better job."

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

redsmetz
04-11-2009, 08:04 PM
quotes from Bruce:

"I don't know what I was thinking. I wasn't. There is absolutely no excuse for that. It was a lack of focus and I have to do a better job. Who knows if we would have won or not but that's not even giving my team a chance."

"One out down nine runs, my run doesn't mean anything first of all. I just have to give us a chance and I didn't. I have to have more focus and more concentration. I had nothing."

"Off the bat I didn't think he was going to catch it. That's no reason to take off to the races like that. You've got to know the outs and be in position to do both. I just wasn't paying attention. It was ridiculous and embarrassing. It can't happen again, that's for sure. I have to do a better job."

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

I like the maturity I'm seeing in our young players. This bode wells for the team, I think. Maybe not this year, but it means we're getting closer.

CrackerJack
04-11-2009, 10:02 PM
1st three batters in the line-up today = a combined 0 for 10 (Votto is excused).

Taveras, Hairston, McDonald, Gonzalez, Nix, Janish....these are names that fail to inspire.

WMR
04-11-2009, 11:17 PM
quotes from Bruce:

"I don't know what I was thinking. I wasn't. There is absolutely no excuse for that. It was a lack of focus and I have to do a better job. Who knows if we would have won or not but that's not even giving my team a chance."

"One out down nine runs, my run doesn't mean anything first of all. I just have to give us a chance and I didn't. I have to have more focus and more concentration. I had nothing."

"Off the bat I didn't think he was going to catch it. That's no reason to take off to the races like that. You've got to know the outs and be in position to do both. I just wasn't paying attention. It was ridiculous and embarrassing. It can't happen again, that's for sure. I have to do a better job."

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

Kudos to Bruce for manning up and taking responsibility. He'll be fine.

GAC
04-12-2009, 05:00 AM
Kudos to Bruce for manning up and taking responsibility. He'll be fine.

Exactly. He's a young player. Hope it is a learning experience for him. Bruce is not going to be a problem. Some of these other guys? That I don't know. ;)

OnBaseMachine
04-12-2009, 12:00 PM
And on Bruce's base-running gaffe:

"Jay came into my office yesterday. He came in himself. I always say my door is open. If you want to come in, come in. I don’t think it has to do with relaxing. He knew the situation. He told everyone “1 out, 1 out.” He felt terrible. He felt terrible. I was pissed off, but after I saw how terrible he felt, it was hard to stay pissed off."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a02e5665c-2260-4f72-89b4-f6ed7379853b&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com