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_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 04:38 PM
What were we saying about that DP earlier being the #1 web gem for the day? I don't think so. :O)

jojo
04-12-2009, 04:38 PM
Happy Easter! Now lets see Harang hang the ultimate egg on the Buccos.

WMR
04-12-2009, 04:39 PM
Is that a worse base running error by Bruce than what he did yesterday?

Didn't the Reds have a play on?

westofyou
04-12-2009, 04:39 PM
Didn't the Reds have a play on?

Exactly, the runners were moving on the pitch.

CTA513
04-12-2009, 04:39 PM
That is probably the easiest triple play you will see.

remdog
04-12-2009, 04:39 PM
Harang has moved the ball around very well. But how is that different from Volquez and Cueto nibbling? If you had to explain it to Volquez and Cueto.

The plate is 17" wide. Divide it into half and throw to one-half of the half plus the quadrent of the hitter. Those guys are good enough to do that. Even if their stuff moves off the plate it's good enough that most hitters won't hit it. Key idea: you don't have to hit the black every time---just as a tennis player doesn't have to hit the lines to win a point.

And that's how I'd explain it.

Rem

membengal
04-12-2009, 04:40 PM
Double steal, and ball was soft lined to SS. Runners had no chance.

TheBurn
04-12-2009, 04:40 PM
Harang going for the CG? :)

_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 04:40 PM
Harang back out for the 9th. Come on Aaron!

BCubb2003
04-12-2009, 04:40 PM
Is it really a baserunning snafu or just a unfortunately placed hit? Did anybody goof up in the double steal?

klw
04-12-2009, 04:41 PM
The plate is 17" wide. Divide it into half and throw to one-half of the half plus the quadrent of the hitter. Those guys are good enough to do that. Even if their stuff moves off the plate it's good enough that most hitters won't hit it. Key idea: you don't have to hit the black every time---just as a tennis player has to hit the lines to win a point.

And that's how I'd explain it.

Rem

I would explain it in Spanish.

membengal
04-12-2009, 04:41 PM
No, no snafu. Simply bad luck.

_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 04:41 PM
Double steal, and ball was soft lined to SS. Runners had no chance.

Yep, just poor luck. Can't blame Dusty for that one either. It was actually a nice time to try one IMO.

Matt700wlw
04-12-2009, 04:41 PM
The reds couldn't steal bases even if the bases could walk over to them.

membengal
04-12-2009, 04:41 PM
Pop up on Hinske for first out in the 9th from Harang.

New Reds killer Nyjer Morgan up.

jojo
04-12-2009, 04:42 PM
Didn't the Reds have a play on?

ya...i edited the comment.

mth123
04-12-2009, 04:42 PM
Is that a worse base running error by Bruce than what he did yesterday?

Not sure this was bad baserunning. Just this team's new strategy. It was agressive baserunning with both runners moving before the pitch. A soft liner to SS and the triple plauy was a certainty. If the runners aren't going on the pitch, its one out.

That's my big problem with building an offense around the running game. Getting on base is hard enough. When you avoid making an out, why give the defense a second chance to get you on the bases?

WMR
04-12-2009, 04:42 PM
Harang fantasy owners are happy people today.

Matt700wlw
04-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Harang's so old school!

membengal
04-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Stupid Morgan singles to LF.

HumnHilghtFreel
04-12-2009, 04:43 PM
I had to laugh when I looked at the gamecast and saw triple play. Just seems like its gonna be that kind of season

_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Bloop single for Morgan. Sanchez coming up. I say hang with Aaron.

WMR
04-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Not sure this was bad baserunning. Just this team's new strategy. It was agressive baserunning with both runners moving before the pitch. A soft liner to SS and the triple plauy was a certainty. If the runners aren't going on the pitch, its one out.

That's my big problem with building an offense around the running game. Getting on base is hard enough. When you avoid making an out, why give the defense a second chance to get you on the bases?

Yeah it seems like "aggressive baserunning" is one of the most difficult things in baseball to get right ... in other words to make it a clear positive and not an overall detriment to the success of your club.

TheBurn
04-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Get 'em to ground into the DP Aaron!

jojo
04-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Sanchez is swinging for the fences.

_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Pop out to Votto. 2 down. 1 more....ONE MORE! :O)

membengal
04-12-2009, 04:44 PM
Harang pops out Sanchez.

Two outs.

McLouth up. Morgan on first. 2-0 Reds lead.

TheBurn
04-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Harang fouls out Sanchez

reds44
04-12-2009, 04:45 PM
One more Harang.

mth123
04-12-2009, 04:46 PM
Yeah it seems like "aggressive baserunning" is one of the most difficult things in baseball to get right ... in other words to make it a clear positive and not an overall detriment to the success of your club.

It works better when you get on base a lot. Funny how that works. Squandering your few opportunities with outs on the bases is just compounding a big problem.

_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 04:47 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds! Strikeout to end the game! 9 k's and 0 bb's. NICE outing.

membengal
04-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Harang Ks McLouth,

Reds win.

jojo
04-12-2009, 04:47 PM
1-2 count Nate-no pressure though.....

Red in Chicago
04-12-2009, 04:47 PM
What a gem by Harang today!! Complete game shut out!!

WMR
04-12-2009, 04:47 PM
What a studly effort from Aaron. Hope FCB stops by to give his boy some well-deserved props. :D

membengal
04-12-2009, 04:47 PM
That is just simply a gem of a gem of a gem from Harang. Front to back. Pure joy to watch, Three hits only for the complete game shutout.

mth123
04-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Harang's still the ace IMO.

Matt700wlw
04-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Masterful Harang. 3 hit shut out! :clap:

reds44
04-12-2009, 04:48 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds!!

Great game Aaron. As bad as we looked at times, we could be a lot worse than 2-3.

jojo
04-12-2009, 04:49 PM
Harang hit 90 four times in the 9th.

remdog
04-12-2009, 04:51 PM
Terrific performance by Aaron! Seems he's back to form given that strong streak late last season and the first two games of '09. If he is, that bodes well for the Reds.

Tip o' the cap to you, Aaron.

Rem

redsmetz
04-12-2009, 04:51 PM
Very nice outing for Harrang. I would have liked to have seen us capitalize on some of those other baserunners, but a complete game shutout is nice. The triple play was on an aggressive play and I'll take that in any winning effort. EE and Phillips are still looking good and Taveras had another good game.

One game at a time.

PuffyPig
04-12-2009, 04:54 PM
What a studly effort from Aaron. Hope FCB stops by to give his boy some well-deserved props. :D

It's amazing to see FCB do the old "dine and dash" or, in this case, crap on Harang and then disappear when Harang ends up pitching well.

And for those not keepng score, 5 of Harang's K's were agains LH hitters.

jojo
04-12-2009, 04:58 PM
It's amazing to see FCB do the old "dine and dash" or, in this case, crap on Harang and then disappear when Harang ends up pitching well.

And for those not keepng score, 5 of Harang's K's were agains LH hitters.

I still don't get the lefty comment. For his career, Harang has K'd 19.4% of righties he's faced and 19.6% of the lefties he's faced!?!

_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 04:59 PM
And for those not keepng score, 5 of Harang's K's were agains LH hitters.

I'm thrilled with his performance as well, but let's keep this in perspective...they were 5 LH pirates hitters. ;) But truth be told, I was never aware of Aaron struggling to K lefties. Shows how much I know.

PuffyPig
04-12-2009, 05:04 PM
I still don't get the lefty comment. For his career, Harang has K'd 19.4% of righties he's faced and 19.6% of the lefties he's faced!?!

FCB doesn't need facts when he craps on the Reds.....

WVRedsFan
04-12-2009, 05:06 PM
Great game for Aaron Harang. It was as pretty of a three hitter as I've ever seen.

Harang anchors this pitching staff. In his two starts, he's given up 1 run and only 10 hits (14 innings). The rest of the staff has been horrible--16+ innings allowing 22 hits and 14 runs! On a team that will be challenged for getting runs, we have to have good pitching and so far only Harang has produced among the starters.

OnBaseMachine
04-12-2009, 05:31 PM
Excellent start by Harang. Big win for the Reds.

It shouldn't have been that close. The Reds blew too many scoring opportunities.

Bruce is struggling right now, but he'll be fine, IMO. I remember he started out very slow during the spring and then turned it on.

Ron Madden
04-12-2009, 06:09 PM
Whatta game from Harang! Glad to see Edwin isn't being blamed for that triple play.

:thumbup:

nate
04-12-2009, 06:16 PM
1-2 count Nate-no pressure though.....

I never feel the pressure.

jojo
04-12-2009, 06:32 PM
I never feel the pressure.

Dying ain't much of a living but then again the buzzards have to eat just like the worms so a man has to know his limitations.

But as Reds fans, perhaps we need to endeavor to persevere.....

nate
04-12-2009, 06:35 PM
Dying ain't much of a living but then again the buzzards have to eat just like the worms so a man has to know his limitations.

But as Reds fans, perhaps we need to endeavor to persevere.....

One hand washes the other

I fear nothing

redsmetz
04-12-2009, 06:36 PM
Whatta game from Harang! Glad to see Edwin isn't being blamed for that triple play.

:thumbup:

I haven't read the whole game thread, but were folks blaming EE? I thought that's one of those plays that happen in Little League and all the kids cry because they don't know what happened. It happens. You run and the ball is lined or looped and you're toast.

Ron Madden
04-12-2009, 06:59 PM
I haven't read the whole game thread, but were folks blaming EE?


No. Just sayin' I'm glad EE isn't being blamed.


Edwin gets blamed for just about everything on Reds message boards.

:)

Chip R
04-12-2009, 07:41 PM
I'm thrilled with his performance as well, but let's keep this in perspective...they were 5 LH pirates hitters. ;) But truth be told, I was never aware of Aaron struggling to K lefties. Shows how much I know.


Pirates hitters touched star in training Johnny Cueto for 5 runs yesterday and 2 others for 5 more. Let's give Aaron some credit here.

GAC
04-12-2009, 08:05 PM
I think the bigger story is this offense's performance vs a dubious pitcher (Snell). He imploded last year. His command left him. And so far this year he has an ERA over 7, and a Whip of 2.00.

Thank God for 1st innings - where we seem to do most of our damage. After that? Phftt!

KoryMac5
04-12-2009, 08:30 PM
I think the bigger story is this offense's performance vs a dubious pitcher (Snell). He imploded last year. His command left him. And so far this year he has an ERA over 7, and a Whip of 2.00.

Thank God for 1st innings - where we seem to do most of our damage. After that? Phftt!

Key point, this offense needs to get in gear and soon. 2 runs against Snell does not bode well.

redsmetz
04-12-2009, 08:54 PM
No. Just sayin' I'm glad EE isn't being blamed.


Edwin gets blamed for just about everything on Reds message boards.

:)


Ah, gotcha. I'm liking what I'm seeing of Eddie. And he completely went with the pitch he hit today, the one up the middle.

Hoosier Red
04-12-2009, 09:04 PM
Pirates hitters touched star in training Johnny Cueto for 5 runs yesterday and 2 others for 5 more. Let's give Aaron some credit here.

I though Cueto only gave up 4. Still, your point is on the whole correct.

OnBaseMachine
04-12-2009, 09:06 PM
The Reds begin a 10 game road trip tomorrow night - three in Milwaukee, four in Houston, and three in Chicago. The goal should be a .500 road trip. A .500 road trip would put the Reds at 7-8 when they return home on April 24th vs the Braves. Anything better than .500 would be a huge plus.

Falls City Beer
04-12-2009, 11:05 PM
Harang's first great start in nearly a calendar year. Let's hope there are more on the horizon.

And I was gone all afternoon. You can pillory me all you want now. Obviously, for the Reds to have a chance they need more pitching like that from Harang. Now that he's no longer "injured" I'm sure we'll see much more of it, no?

_Sir_Charles_
04-12-2009, 11:34 PM
Pirates hitters touched star in training Johnny Cueto for 5 runs yesterday and 2 others for 5 more. Let's give Aaron some credit here.

Oh, I am giving Aaron credit. I was only kidding.

Truth be told, I predicted the Pirates to be much improved this season. Ahead of the Astros, Cardinals AND the Brewers . To say I'm in the minority there would be somewhat of an understatement though. :O)

VR
04-13-2009, 12:42 AM
Harang's first great start in nearly a calendar year.



That's a good ol' "lol". Seriously? I understand your great angst with his failures in his career, but are you really able to say that?

Razor Shines
04-13-2009, 02:02 AM
Wow, I just finished watching the game on DVR. I almost just decided to check the score to see who won and not watch it, that would have been a poor choice.

Since Harang is from San Diego, like Ron Burgundy, I think that Bill Kurtis would say something like this:

His name was Aaron Harang. He was like a walking god among mere mortals. He had a breaking ball that could make even the fiercest of hitters fall to their knees in despair and mechanics so fine they made Nolan Ryan look like Tim Lincecum. In other words, Aaron Harang was the balls.




Harang's first great start in nearly a calendar year. Let's hope there are more on the horizon.


Jun 13 CIN/BOS W,3-1 7.0-IP 4-H 1-R 1-ER 0-BB 7-K 0-HR

Sep 12 CIN/ARI L,2-3 7.0-IP 4-H 1-R 0-ER 1-BB 4-K 0-HR

Sep 17 CIN/STL W,3-0 9.0-Ip 6-H 0-R 0-ER 0-BB 4-K 0-HR

Those are three "great" starts well within the calendar year. There are several other very good starts, but you said "great" so I limited it to that.


It's amazing to see FCB do the old "dine and dash" or, in this case, crap on Harang and then disappear when Harang ends up pitching well.

And I was gone all afternoon. You can pillory me all you want now.

Come on guys it was Easter, most any other day you probably have a point, but FCB's never struck me as someone to shy away from an argument (even at a moment when his side is looking particularly bad).

PS - A career first for me in defending FCB.

nate
04-13-2009, 09:20 AM
Just think of all the free drinks we've accrued!

jojo
04-13-2009, 11:03 AM
Just think of all the free drinks we've accrued!

I heard a rumor that all redszone drink funds had been pooled and invested in Bear Stearns Companies Inc. (NYSE: BSC) last spring.

We should check on how that's doing...

Matt700wlw
04-13-2009, 02:23 PM
Harang's first great start in nearly a calendar year. Let's hope there are more on the horizon.



Just admit you don't like him....it's obvious. Everybody has beefs with somebody, it's ok.

Falls City Beer
04-13-2009, 03:21 PM
Just admit you don't like him....it's obvious. Everybody has beefs with somebody, it's ok.

I don't like guys who spit the bit in their career prime. Same with Arroyo. If he performs, I'll like him. "When the facts change, I change my opinion; what do you do sir?"

jojo
04-13-2009, 03:56 PM
I don't like guys who spit the bit in their career prime. Same with Arroyo. If he performs, I'll like him. "When the facts change, I change my opinion; what do you do sir?"

Last season has to factor into Harang's projected performance going forward.... Harang doesn't get an '08 mulligan because of Dusty. Last season is part of his performance history and it colors what to expect from him going forward.

That said, I think the argument is that you're dramatically over-correcting in response to last season.

lollipopcurve
04-13-2009, 03:57 PM
I don't like guys who spit the bit in their career prime. Same with Arroyo. If he performs, I'll like him.

Are you accusing Harang and Arroyo of giving up? Arroyo finished nicely last year after a terrible first half. Harang was used poorly and struggled with injury.

Falls City Beer
04-13-2009, 04:18 PM
Are you accusing Harang and Arroyo of giving up? Arroyo finished nicely last year after a terrible first half. Harang was used poorly and struggled with injury.

Lots of guys find the Lord after the All-Star break. I like true believers, hotheads, and long scoreless streaks.

Truth be told, I don't blame everything on the players, as I genuinely believe there is next to no pressure to actually perform as a Cincinnati Red.

KoryMac5
04-13-2009, 04:51 PM
Harang and Arroyo are the least of this teams problems. This offense is the number one concern I have going forward after the first two series.

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 06:48 PM
Harang's first great start in nearly a calendar year.

So I guess his complete game shut out 4 starts ago doesn't count as a "great start"?

It was against the Cardinals, so should be even more so impressive.

Team Clark
04-13-2009, 07:39 PM
Truth be told, I don't blame everything on the players, as I genuinely believe there is next to no pressure to actually perform as a Cincinnati Red.

This I ABSOLUTELY agree with. :thumbup: