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OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 10:55 PM
If anyone reaches base I'd pull Edinson.

mbgrayson
04-13-2009, 10:56 PM
Beautiful 10 pitch at bat by Votto. Watching on Gameday, and every pitch near the zone he fouled off, while all the clear 'balls' he took. Finally made Gallardo throw one down the middle, which he drove the other way to the warning track in left.

That knid of hitting will wear a pitcher out. BTW, Gallardo at 100 pitches after five....

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 10:56 PM
I think command issues are mostly to blame. I don't think he'd have faired better pitching to the early 70's version of Johnny Bench.

I agree. It's mental. Not the catcher. Although, if Ramon knew him better he'd go out and break his thought process and just get him to throw instead of overthinking. Because that's what it seems like he's doing...too much thinking.

Degenerate39
04-13-2009, 10:57 PM
This game is only in the fifth. Yikes. You're probably looking at two basement dwelling clubs here, so sloppy games are the order of the day.

You do know they've played 6 games? This isn't like the NFL you can lose the first 10 and still be in the playoff race by the end of the year.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 10:58 PM
HR by Hardy. Yep, time to yank him.

Caveat Emperor
04-13-2009, 10:58 PM
Nothing you can do about that -- pitch down in the zone and the hitter just gives it the Tiger Woods special out of the park.

CTA513
04-13-2009, 10:58 PM
The other Reds pitchers are showing why Harang was named the opening day starter.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 10:59 PM
Pull him. Forget qualifying him for the win.

reds44
04-13-2009, 10:59 PM
In theory, what CW is saying is true.

But Dusty is a players manager. He's going to try to get his guy a win.

mbgrayson
04-13-2009, 10:59 PM
Dusty trying to get him 5 innings so he would qualify for the 'win'.

Red in Chicago
04-13-2009, 11:00 PM
The other Reds pitchers are showing why Harang was named the opening day starter.

And Harang is wondering where this kind of offense is on games he pitches.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:00 PM
Suprised EV got that call.

HokieRed
04-13-2009, 11:01 PM
It's way too early in the game to be worrying about the win. We're only up by a run; this game is likely going to end up 13-11 or something like that. Dusty needs to manage with that in mind.

jojo
04-13-2009, 11:02 PM
Seattle screwed up when they let Cameron's Ks get under their skin.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:02 PM
I fully expect Bill Hall to go yard.

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:02 PM
This game is only in the fifth. Yikes. You're probably looking at two basement dwelling clubs here, so sloppy games are the order of the day.

It takes a special person to use the words "yikes" in a post.;)

Caveat Emperor
04-13-2009, 11:02 PM
Volquez just hit 97 on the gun with that K pitch. That was '08 Volquez right there.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:03 PM
97 on the black.

Good luck hitting that.

mbgrayson
04-13-2009, 11:03 PM
And Harang is wondering where this kind of offense is on games he pitches.

I think Harang gets lower run support BECAUSE he is our #1 guy. He gets to go against pitchers like Santana, Webb, Zambrano, etc.

Playadlc
04-13-2009, 11:03 PM
The Vol is bringing it right now.

Degenerate39
04-13-2009, 11:03 PM
97 on the black.

Good luck hitting that.

Edison will be in your rap video next

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:04 PM
Why can't the Reds get Kendall out? He's awful.

Pull him please.

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:05 PM
BTW, the Reds are BABIPing 1/13 tonight.

Credit the 7 runs to walks and HR's.

That's a good sign.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:05 PM
Why is Dusty wearing batting gloves...in a dome?

Red in Chicago
04-13-2009, 11:05 PM
Why can't the Reds get Kendall out? He's awful.

Pull him please.

Kendall is an OBM;)

Falls City Beer
04-13-2009, 11:05 PM
I'd love to know the OPS of 6-9 hitters versus Reds' pitching over the last handful of seasons. It's got to be jaw-dropping compared to the rest of the league.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:06 PM
BTW, the Reds are BABIPing 1/13 tonight.

Credit the 7 runs to walks and HR's.

That's a good sign.
Small ball baby.

Speed.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:06 PM
I have a bad feeling here. Thankfully I was wrong,

7-6 Reds after five innings.

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:06 PM
I think Harang gets lower run support BECAUSE he is our #1 guy. He gets to go against pitchers like Santana, Webb, Zambrano, etc.


You must be joking, right??????

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:06 PM
Brad Nelson is a giant turd.

mbgrayson
04-13-2009, 11:07 PM
Why is Dusty wearing batting gloves...in a dome?

Many of the players are wearing long sleeves under their uniforms. Gameday shows that the temperature is 39 in Milwaukee, maybe they don't heat the place very much.

jojo
04-13-2009, 11:07 PM
EV is right at 100 pitches. What are the odds that he goes out for another inning?

BCubb2003
04-13-2009, 11:07 PM
Why is Dusty wearing batting gloves...in a dome?

It's 61 degrees in the dome. Maybe his hands are cold.

Mario-Rijo
04-13-2009, 11:08 PM
Many of the players are wearing long sleeves under their uniforms. Gameday shows that the temperature is 39 in Milwaukee, maybe they don't heat the place very much.

Brenneman or Welsh one said it was 60 inside.

mbgrayson
04-13-2009, 11:08 PM
You must be joking, right??????

Not at all. Doesn't that make sense? The collective ERA of the pitchers Harang faces is lower than the collective ERA that the #3 or #4 guy face.

Mario-Rijo
04-13-2009, 11:08 PM
EV is right at 100 pitches. What are the odds that he goes out for another inning?

Not good.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:08 PM
You must be joking, right??????

In a round-about way, he's right. It doesn't always match up that way, but the reds will score fewer runs against opposing #1 starters. But I also think it's a whole bunch of bad luck for Aaron too.

kaldaniels
04-13-2009, 11:08 PM
Brenneman or Welsh one said it was 60 inside.

Under 60 I believe.

membengal
04-13-2009, 11:10 PM
So, just got done catching up, watching at fast forward "1" on tivo...goodness gracious, not much happened to this point, huh?

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:11 PM
I hope the Reds offense doesn't fall asleep. Seven runs won't win this game.

Heath
04-13-2009, 11:11 PM
Ah, April. If it's Monday it must be Milwaukee.

Patrick Bateman
04-13-2009, 11:12 PM
Not at all. Doesn't that make sense? The collective ERA of the pitchers Harang faces is lower than the collective ERA that the #3 or #4 guy face.

After about 1-2 weeks when off days happen sporadically for all the teams in baseball, these match-ups get thrown out the door quickly. By the end of the season Harang will have likely faced a pretty even mix of pitchers of all types of quality.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:13 PM
Reds gon have to make 7 stand up because I see the offense sleeping the rest of the way.

Burton in the 6th
Rhodes in the 7th
Weathers in the 8th
Cordero in the 9th

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:14 PM
Not at all. Doesn't that make sense? The collective ERA of the pitchers Harang faces is lower than the collective ERA that the #3 or #4 guy face.

The #1 pitcher of a team does not usally pitch against the other teams#1 pitcher, as it gets mixes up pretty quicky.

Just watch a few games and it becomes pretty obvious.

Otherwise, you'd see the average winning record of # 1 pitchers at around .500.

Snell certainly isn't the Pirates #1. And their # 1 starter faced our #4 starter.

It gets mixed up almost immediately.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:15 PM
Gonzalez looks turrible.

I was hoping he would get on just so Dusty had to take Edinson out.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:15 PM
Gonzalez with another awful atbat. He's lost at the plate.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:15 PM
Reds gon have to make 7 stand up because I see the offense sleeping the rest of the way.

Burton in the 6th
Rhodes in the 7th
Weathers in the 8th
Cordero in the 9th

I thought the Brewers bullpen was supposed to be a six-pack of lighter fluid? I think we'll score some more.

Root Down
04-13-2009, 11:15 PM
The #1 pitcher of a team does not usally pitch against the other teams#1 pitcher, as it gets mixes up pretty quicky.

Just watch a few games and it becomes pretty obvious.

Otherwise, you'd see the average winning record of # 1 pitchers at around .500.

Snell certainly isn't the Pirates #1. And their # 1 starter faced our #4 starter.

It gets mixed up almost immediately.

Does that have anything to do with why we have yet to see Owings?

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:16 PM
In a round-about way, he's right. It doesn't always match up that way, but the reds will score fewer runs against opposing #1 starters. But I also think it's a whole bunch of bad luck for Aaron too.

Actually, it usually doesn't match up that way.

It's pretty random.

mbgrayson
04-13-2009, 11:17 PM
After about 1-2 weeks when off days happen sporadically for all the teams in baseball, these match-ups get thrown out the door quickly. By the end of the season Harang will have likely faced a pretty even mix of pitchers of all types of quality.

Days off even out. I certainly agree that it doesn't always align this way, but it does more than you think. I remember last year Harang faced Zambrano like three times...and Webb. Also remember that after the all star break, most managers restart with their #1s again.

membengal
04-13-2009, 11:17 PM
Man does Alex G look lost at the plate. He didn't get a ton of swings in the spring, and is sure to be rusty from a year off to boot. I sure wouldn't mind seeing Janish get some starts while Alex G takes extra time off the tee and in BP to try and find some rhythm to his swing and approach.

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:18 PM
Does that have anything to do with why we have yet to see Owings?

Yeah,we are saving him until the other teams #5 starter goes......:rolleyes:

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:21 PM
Days off even out. I certainly agree that it doesn't always align this way, but it does more than you think.

It's an old wives tale. We are already off line, with skipping Owings.

It\s not enough to say that it doesn't always aling that way, as that suggest that it's about 80%.

It it was anyway close to being true, #1 starters would be posting .500 records by the bucket full. And they don't.

Hoosier Red
04-13-2009, 11:23 PM
I think in general #1 starters face #1 starters more than other pitchers, but not by a huge number.
#5 starters get skipped more often than anyone else. Unless there's an injury, Harang will never get skipped.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:24 PM
Burton walks Braun with two outs and Fielder on deck.

jojo
04-13-2009, 11:25 PM
Pitch outs look freaky on gameday. I wonder what throwing at someone looks like?

PuffyPig
04-13-2009, 11:27 PM
I think in general #1 starters face #1 starters more than other pitchers, but not by a huge number.
#5 starters get skipped more often than anyone else. Unless there's an injury, Harang will never get skipped.

Harang pitched Monday. With the off day Tuesday, he was already scheduled to getting "skipped" by one day, as he was sceduled to pitch Sunday, with 5 days rest. He could have gone against the Pirates #1 starter Malholm on Saturday.

But I agree with your first sentence.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:27 PM
Burton gave Willy a workout that inning.

Onto the 7th...

membengal
04-13-2009, 11:27 PM
The pitchout looked freaky live too.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:28 PM
Burton walks Braun, but escapes without any damage. 7-6 Reds after 6.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:29 PM
Pitch outs look freaky on gameday. I wonder what throwing at someone looks like?

I was thinking the same thing. I'm watching the Rockets play the Hornets and listening to the Reds game, I glanced down at gameday and see that line all the way off the screen. LOL. It certainly got my attention. :O)

HeatherC1212
04-13-2009, 11:30 PM
Yeah,we are saving him until the other teams #5 starter goes......:rolleyes:

Blame that on Mother Nature. No rainout for Friday's game and Micah pitches on Saturday as scheduled which is what I really wanted to see since I was at that game. :bang:

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:31 PM
McDonald ph'ing

Root Down
04-13-2009, 11:31 PM
I was thinking the same thing. I'm watching the Rockets play the Hornets and listening to the Reds game, I glanced down at gameday and see that line all the way off the screen. LOL. It certainly got my attention. :O)

Hernandez almost missed it because it was thrown way wide.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:31 PM
K's after working the count full.

Degenerate39
04-13-2009, 11:31 PM
McDonald is awful

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:32 PM
Rhodes against right handed hitters? I don't like that matchup. I'd like to have seen Burton go two innings.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:32 PM
Bunting ain't working for Willy.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:33 PM
McDonald is awful
He's been fine with the bat so far.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:33 PM
Good idea by Taveras to bunt but it was a poor one right back to the pitcher.

Dickerson up. Linedrive down the line for a double! :O)

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:34 PM
IBB to Votto.

1st & 2nd to Brandon.

Mario-Rijo
04-13-2009, 11:35 PM
Bunting ain't working for Willy.

It's interesting but I feel like he has the same problem when he bunts as when he hits, attacking pitches not quite where you'd like them. If it's close to the zone......

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:35 PM
Votto walks. First and second and two outs for Phillips. We need another run or two.

Hoosier Red
04-13-2009, 11:35 PM
Rhodes against right handed hitters? I don't like that matchup. I'd like to have seen Burton go two innings.

I would have double switched and put Janish in for Gonzo. But C est la vie.

WebScorpion
04-13-2009, 11:36 PM
They need to sit on DeFelice's change...he throws it waaaay too much.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:37 PM
Phillips just took two hanging sliders right down the middle.

Honestly, I would've let Burton hit for himself and went another inning.

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:39 PM
Rhodes is in to pitch

Patrick Bateman
04-13-2009, 11:40 PM
He's been fine with the bat so far.

Not really. Results are one thing, but he's gone up their with a putrid approach, swinging at lots of balls, and lots of swings and misses. He's found a few holes at fortunate times, but that's more attributable than luck than a repeatable skill.

Doc. Scott
04-13-2009, 11:40 PM
What the heck is Rhodes facing three straight righties for? Let me guess, Dusty saw the stats that Arthur's whiffed three of the four RHBs he's faced this season and figured that was good enough for him.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:40 PM
What the heck is Rhodes facing three straight righties for?

No idea. I would've pitched Burton two innings.

jojo
04-13-2009, 11:44 PM
What the heck is Rhodes facing three straight righties for? Let me guess, Dusty saw the stats that Arthur's whiffed three of the four RHBs he's faced this season and figured that was good enough for him.

Dude....it's Dustique.... don't question it...

Caveat Emperor
04-13-2009, 11:45 PM
This managerial move is puzzling to me.

If it works, I guess that's OK -- but I don't get putting Rhodes in here.

membengal
04-13-2009, 11:46 PM
It's not working.

nate
04-13-2009, 11:46 PM
Dude....it's Dustique.... don't question it...

Dustique?

Doesn't Billy Mays sell that?

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:46 PM
Cameron and Hall have singled. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:46 PM
1st and 2nd
1 out

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:46 PM
Back to back singles off Rhodes. First hits he's allowed this year. He'd been money up to now. Maybe facing righty's wasn't a great idea.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:47 PM
Just a dumb move by Dusty. Burton should have went two. I'll be amazed if the Brewers don't score this inning.

mbgrayson
04-13-2009, 11:47 PM
Harang's opposing starters in 2008: From ESPN's web site (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=5181&year=2008)

3/31 Brandon Webb (#1)
4/5 Adam Eaton
4/10 Carlos Villanueva
4/15 Ryan Dempster
4/20 Yovani Gallardo
4/25 Jonathan Sanchez
4/30 Brandon Looper
5/6 Carlos Zambrano (#1)
5/12 Burke Badenhop
5/17 Fausto Carmona
5/22 Randy Wolfe
5/25 Relief appearance
5/29 Phil Dumatrait
6/3 Adam Eaton
6/8 Ryan Tucker
6/13 Justin Masterson
6/19 Eric Stults
6/25 Roy Halladay (#1)
6/30 Paul Maholm (#1)
7/8 Ryan Dempster

Harang then on the DL till August, where clearly there would be no pattern of going against a #1 guy.

8/10 Wandy Rodriguez
8/16 Joel Pineiro
8/22 Livian Hernandez
8/28 Brandon Backe
9/2 Ian Snell
9/7 Sean Marshall
9/12 Brandon Webb (#1)
9/17 Todd Wellemeyer
9/22 Ricky Nolasco (#1?)
9/27 Todd Wellemeyer

So in 2008, that means Harang faced six pitchers who were arguably their teams #1 guy, out of 29 starts. That is not at all what I expected...so I retract the argument.

HeatherC1212
04-13-2009, 11:48 PM
Nice double play!! :D

Red in Chicago
04-13-2009, 11:48 PM
Votto saved Phillips on that scoop.

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:48 PM
6-4-3 DP ends the inning. Great job by Votto picking the throw out of the dirt.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:48 PM
DP! Nice, Rhodes gets out of the jam.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:48 PM
Rack em up!

jojo
04-13-2009, 11:49 PM
Dustique?

Doesn't Billy Mays sell that?

I dunno but it'll stay with you longer than pig dandruff.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:49 PM
Huge doubleplay. Hopefully the offense can tack on another run or two. Weathers against the Brewers scares me. IIRC they rocked him last season.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:50 PM
Todd Coffey sighting!

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:50 PM
Double switch. Counsell in to play 3rd, Coffey in to pitch.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:51 PM
Weathers warming up btw.

HeatherC1212
04-13-2009, 11:52 PM
I would love to see another run or two added on here. :eek:

Kc61
04-13-2009, 11:52 PM
Do the Reds ever tack on runs in this kind of situation? Just a question.

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:52 PM
Bruce strikes out looking on a 95 MPH fastball.

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:54 PM
Edwin strikes out swinging on an 81 MPH slider.

Tony Cloninger
04-13-2009, 11:54 PM
They are the opposite of the Yankees old "5 o'clock Thunder"...or was it 4 o'clock?

They are more like Late Inning Nap time.

OnBaseMachine
04-13-2009, 11:54 PM
Todd Coffey looks dominant.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:55 PM
I always thought Coffey would pull it together...should've figured it'd be AFTER we get rid of him. He looks pretty darned good.

reds44
04-13-2009, 11:55 PM
I really hope that HR doesn't make EE start swigning for the downs again.

Mario-Rijo
04-13-2009, 11:56 PM
I always thought Coffey would pull it together...should've figured it'd be AFTER we get rid of him. He looks pretty darned good.

With the pitching coaches we've had, that should have been apparent.

Tom Servo
04-13-2009, 11:56 PM
It totally figures that the Reds couldn't touch Coffey.

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:57 PM
Hernandez grounds right back to Coffey. 7-6 Reds mid 8th.

_Sir_Charles_
04-13-2009, 11:57 PM
1-2-3 for Coffey. I don't recall many of those in a Reds uni. :-(

WebScorpion
04-13-2009, 11:57 PM
Do the Reds ever tack on runs in this kind of situation? Just a question.
Great pitching and defense don't need to tack on runs...we will live and die with our pitching this season. :thumbup:

Doc. Scott
04-13-2009, 11:58 PM
Coffey has yet to allow a run in a Milwaukee uniform, spanning like eleven innings back to last season. Funny stuff.

Reds Fanatic
04-13-2009, 11:59 PM
Weathers in for the 8th

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:00 AM
Weathers in for the 8th

Wait, so he takes Rhodes out with a lefty coming up? WHY?

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:01 AM
Counsell strikes out swinging. Great pitch by Weathers.

jojo
04-14-2009, 12:01 AM
Wait, so he takes Rhodes out with a lefty coming up? WHY?

Dustique.

Doc. Scott
04-14-2009, 12:02 AM
Is Counsell not like the second hardest person in the major leagues to strike out after Jeff Keppinger?

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:02 AM
Weathers gets Counsel out.

Mario-Rijo
04-14-2009, 12:03 AM
Is Counsell not like the second hardest person in the major leagues to strike out after Jeff Keppinger?

Kendall.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:04 AM
Weeks flies out to the warning track in center.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:04 AM
I would get Cordero ready now. If Hart reaches, I'd bring in Cordero.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:05 AM
Hart triples to center as the ball gets past Taveras.

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:05 AM
Willy T is not distinguishing himself with balls over his head. I thought he could have had that. He pulled up short as that ball was on the track.

Red in Chicago
04-14-2009, 12:05 AM
I don't think WT played that right.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:06 AM
Taveras should of had that.

Patterson would have.

/went there

_Sir_Charles_
04-14-2009, 12:06 AM
Stand up triple.

Marty says it was catchable by Taveras but he coasted towards it looking for the wall.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:06 AM
This isn't going to end well.

jojo
04-14-2009, 12:06 AM
A long as Hall doesn't bat again, this one is in the bag....

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:07 AM
Willy T is not distinguishing himself with balls over his head. I thought he could have had that. He pulled up short as that ball was on the track.

He plays a very shallow CF. It's stupid. I'd rather give up bloop singles than doubles and triples.

Bring in Cordero.

OUReds
04-14-2009, 12:07 AM
Taveras should of had that.

Patterson would have.

/went there

I thought so in real time, but on watching the replay I think it would have been a very difficult play to make.

Kc61
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
When Fielder comes up, can Reds bring in Rhodes again?

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
Oh boy...

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
I really don't want to see Weathers pitch to Fielder, if Braun gets on.

No one warming up though, so that's what I am about to see.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
I thought so in real time, but on watching the replay I think it would have been a very difficult play to make.

Not if he would play a normal center field.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
Braun walks. 1st and 3rd for Fielder. No one is warming up so it is up to Weathers to get out of this inning.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
This is usually where Weathers tries to FORCE the ball to the plate and ends up getting hammered. I can't watch.

cincrazy
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
David Weathers vs. Prince Fielder. Oh boy.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:08 AM
Where is Reed Johnson when you need him?

Kc61
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
I thought so in real time, but on watching the replay I think it would have been a very difficult play to make.

Ball was hit pretty hard and it fell just shy of the wall. Would have taken a great play, but some guys probably make the play. Wasn't impossible.

WVRedsFan
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
A long as Hall doesn't bat again, this one is in the bag....

Hmmm...we'll see. I don't like how this is playing out. Remember who is on the mound.

_Sir_Charles_
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
Braun walks. I actually don't mind that one TOO much. I'd rather face Prince than Ryan.

Tony Cloninger
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
It is sad to say that Patterson would have had that......being fast does not equate to being a good OF.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
Get Weathers out of there. Bring in Cordero. Please. This won't end well with Weathers.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
I'd rather see EE pitch right now...

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
THROW A STRIKE

cincrazy
04-14-2009, 12:09 AM
This umpire is screwing him, to put it mildly. Two pitches in a row that should have been strikes IMO.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
3-0 count on Fielder.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
I can't watch.

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Kc, it was that he pulled up. He was there. He probably should have had it. I am in agreement with Marty B on this one.

Dusty, it would have been okay to have Cordero ready for this eventuality this inning...

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
A 4 pitch walk. Bases loaded.

_Sir_Charles_
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
*sigh* Back to back walks by Stormy.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Oh boy.

Bases loaded for Hardy.

jojo
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
That was a really lazy effort by Fielder....

Red in Chicago
04-14-2009, 12:10 AM
oy vey iz mir

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:11 AM
Get Weathers out of there. I can't watch. I've already turned it.

Degenerate39
04-14-2009, 12:11 AM
Never a dull moment

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:11 AM
Cordero should be in here. No reason he can't get 4 outs.

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:11 AM
0-2 count to Hardy, nasty slider.

Fingers crossed...

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
WOW... hardy doing Weather's work for him. Sad.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
Is there a law that says your closer can't get 4 outs?

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
0-2

COME ON

Kc61
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
Kc, it was that he pulled up. He was there. He probably should have had it. I am in agreement with Marty B on this one.

Dusty, it would have been okay to have Cordero ready for this eventuality this inning...

Hard to tell how catchable that was.

I'm not sure Cordero would be a great choice here. He does walk guys. Weathers ahead of the hitter, maybe he'll get him.

Red in Chicago
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
come on guys...weathers has got 'em right where he wants 'em

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
2-2 count.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:12 AM
Hardy flies out to center. Whew. 7-6 Reds after 8.

cincrazy
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Hard line drive to center field. I think I'm about to have a heart attack.

guttle11
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
And the thunder rolls...

Root Down
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
This strike zone seems awfully small today.

BCubb2003
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
I'm telling you, Dusty is just not yet understood.

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Fly to CF. Out.

Good for Weathers.

Reds cling to 7-6 lead heading to the 9th.

_Sir_Charles_
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Can ole' smoke & mirrors pull another rabbit out of his hat?

Wow. Pop up. I can't stand it when Weathers pitches.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Stormy indeed.

7-6 going to the 9th.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Is there a law that says your closer can't get 4 outs?

Dusty's law! :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
I think I just had a heart attack.

Come on offense, tack on a run or two.

WVRedsFan
04-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Whew. Someone with some sense in the front office should trade Weathers to any team for anyone. Like TC says, he's OK until adversity happens and then it's a roller coaster ride.

kaldaniels
04-14-2009, 12:14 AM
Brainteaser:

What, in dollar figures, is a save worth in this game for CoCo (assuming 1 run lead). I mean, this is what he is paid the big bucks for...1 run game with a divisional contender.

HeatherC1212
04-14-2009, 12:14 AM
Stormy keeping things interesting again. I don't know if my heart can handle too much of that this year, LOL :laugh:

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:14 AM
WV, I am okay with Weathers on this team. He is a steadying presence that I think the staff needs, and while it may not be always pretty, he has, by and large, gotten the job done for years for this team now...

BuckeyeRedleg
04-14-2009, 12:15 AM
Whew. Someone with some sense in the front office should trade Weathers to any team for anyone. Like TC says, he's OK until adversity happens and then it's a roller coaster ride.

I don't think there's anyone that would take on his ridiculous salary.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:15 AM
I'd love to see Gonzo and Nix tag Coffey here.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:15 AM
Can we get an insurance run please?

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Gonzalez grounds out to short. Nix hitting for Weathers.

Tom Servo
04-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Stormy Weathers cleared up!

Homer Bailey
04-14-2009, 12:16 AM
2-0 and that's your pitch Gonzo? Ugh.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Brainteaser:

What, in dollar figures, is a save worth in this game for CoCo (assuming 1 run lead). I mean, this is what he is paid the big bucks for...1 run game with a divisional contender.

Exactly.

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:16 AM
In Weathers' defense, that was the nastiest part of the Brewers line-up. Tough outs. The good news? The worst of the line-up is through, so Cordero should hopefully be able to bear down.

Alex G still looks Jack Sheppard Lost at the plate.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Alex, no.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Gonzalez now 0 for 16.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:17 AM
Hall got double swithced out?

YES

WVRedsFan
04-14-2009, 12:17 AM
WV, I am okay with Weathers on this team. He is a steadying presence that I think the staff needs, and while it may not be always pretty, he has, by and large, gotten the job done for years for this team now...

But...my health is important, too.

Seriously, yes he did the job, but he got lucky too, but I guess that's part of the game. Still, if he continues to not allow runs, someone will want him for a good prospect. I hope.

OUReds
04-14-2009, 12:17 AM
I'd love to see Gonzo and Nix tag Coffey here.

Let me guess, you asked for world peace last Christmas. :)

Edit: My devious reverse psychology plan works as Nix doubles

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Nix lines a double off the glove of Cameron.

Red in Chicago
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
cameron should have had that ball

_Sir_Charles_
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Nix with a double.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Nix doubles. Please get him in. For my health.

cincrazy
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Someone should tell Gonzo he doesn't get a prize for going 0-16 like the Lions.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
For the love of God get Nix in.

11larkin11
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Laynce Nix scares me. Alot.

HeatherC1212
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Alex G still looks Jack Sheppard Lost at the plate.

It's not funny that Gonzo is struggling but this line is awesome, LOL :laugh:

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:19 AM
Nice to see the PH double from Nix. Would love them to pick up this run.

One out, runner on second.

VR
04-14-2009, 12:20 AM
looks like Taveras is swinging after the catcher has the ball

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:20 AM
Willy. Swing at a strike.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:21 AM
Looking at Weathers stats I saw that only 13% of Inherited runners scored when he was pitching last year. Down from 30%. I would have bet money that it was higher because I never recalled him coming through that often.

Red in Chicago
04-14-2009, 12:21 AM
The Milwaukee crowd with a lame attempt at "Let' go Brewers...clap clap clapclapclap". Very original:rolleyes:

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:21 AM
Taveras grounds out to 3rd. Nix stays at 2nd. 2 outs.

11larkin11
04-14-2009, 12:21 AM
Seriously. If Aaron Harang and Laynce Nix walked into my town I would round everyone up with pitchforks and try to save everyone

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:22 AM
Let me guess, you asked for world peace last Christmas. :)

Edit: My devious reverse psychology plan works as Nix doubles

I did. I noticed that none of my requests were fulfilled. Again. :D

Although Nix was close. I wanted HR's.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:22 AM
Do you let Dickerson hit or do you use Owings, Hanigan, or Hairston?

At this point, I'd let Dickerson hit with a 1 run lead.

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:22 AM
I don't understand what you are saying, 11larkin11. Is it a comment on their physical appearance?

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:22 AM
I think Laynce Nix eats babies.

Dude just looks mean.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:24 AM
They are leaving Dickerson in against the lefty Mitch Stetter

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:24 AM
Glad Dickerson is hitting here. Now make us proud.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:24 AM
Dickerson stays in.

OUReds
04-14-2009, 12:24 AM
Do you let Dickerson hit or do you use Owings, Hanigan, or Hairston?

At this point, I'd let Dickerson hit with a 1 run lead.

I would PH Owings, one of the many reasons it's probably a good thing I don't manage the Reds.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:25 AM
After seeing this motion, I don't like Dickerson's odds.

11larkin11
04-14-2009, 12:25 AM
I don't understand what you are saying, 11larkin11. Is it a comment on their physical appearance?

Yes it is. They both just have stares that burn right through you but look like they would be gentle giants. But Nix is the worst. Hes a linebacker with a death stare.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:25 AM
I would PH Owings, one of the many reasons it's probably a good thing I don't manage the Reds.
I want his glove in there up by a run.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:26 AM
Dickerson grounds out to 2nd. 7-6 Reds mid 9th.

OnBaseMachine
04-14-2009, 12:26 AM
This team doesn't know what an add on run is.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:27 AM
If I stop posting during this inning, somebody call 911.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:27 AM
Cordero coming in.

Cameron, pinch hitter and Kendall due up.

TheBurn
04-14-2009, 12:27 AM
Alright... CoCo time!

Red in Chicago
04-14-2009, 12:27 AM
Anything but extra innings tonight...I've got to get up early...Thanks

Mario-Rijo
04-14-2009, 12:28 AM
I would PH Owings, one of the many reasons it's probably a good thing I don't manage the Reds.

Just a guess but I would imagin Owings only pinch hits tonight if absolutely neccessary, he pitches tommorrow.

_Sir_Charles_
04-14-2009, 12:28 AM
If I stop posting during this inning, somebody call 911.

Man, that line made my night. ROFLMAO! :O)

HeatherC1212
04-14-2009, 12:28 AM
Mow 'em down Coco. :)

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:29 AM
Just a guess but I would imagin Owings only pinch hits tonight if absolutely neccessary, he pitches tommorrow.
IIRC, Arroyo goes tomorrow.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:29 AM
Reds44...still with us?

HeatherC1212
04-14-2009, 12:29 AM
Just a guess but I would imagin Owings only pinch hits tonight if absolutely neccessary, he pitches tommorrow.

I think he pitches on Wednesday unless they changed the schedule again.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:29 AM
Cameron flies out to center. 1 out.

VR
04-14-2009, 12:29 AM
painfully long game. 3.5 hours? Did I miss a rain delay in the dome?

BCubb2003
04-14-2009, 12:30 AM
Nick Swisher pitching for the Yankees tonight.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:30 AM
Good start.

Hall should be up now, glad he's not.

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:30 AM
I think he pitches on Wednesday unless they changed the schedule again.You are right Wednesday. Arroyo starts tomorrow.

Tony Cloninger
04-14-2009, 12:30 AM
I liked CD at bat there.....he did not swing at any bad pitches....missed the 2nd to last pitch....but still looked good. They need to see if he can do it so we don't end up with a bad platoon tandem.

Team Clark
04-14-2009, 12:30 AM
LOL!!!!!!!!!! Good Ol Fox! Heidi all over again

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:30 AM
What happened to the game. Did everyone just change to Best Damn sports show.

membengal
04-14-2009, 12:30 AM
Hello? Game feed?

Caveat Emperor
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
Wow, I'm glad I got switched to this riveting conversation...

11larkin11
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
FSN loses its feed....

nate
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
Nice, BDSS comes on during the second batter.

Red in Chicago
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
um, what's happening...my game just got cut out and i'm seeing best sports show??

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
I'll do this off gameday. 2-1 count on Duffy the pinch hitter.

reds44
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
I've still got the game.

2-2 on Duffy

Reds Fanatic
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
2-2 count on Duffy

VR
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
Nice. Extra innings just switched to FS Ohio in the studio.

ACK

TheBurn
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
Full count to Duffy

OUReds
04-14-2009, 12:31 AM
Just a guess but I would imagin Owings only pinch hits tonight if absolutely neccessary, he pitches tommorrow.

I've heard that (maybe the radio guys were talking about it?), but I have a hard time understanding why it would matter. Is it really that exhausting to PH?

As I type this, FSN cuts to the BDSSP. Words cannot express my rage.