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Benihana
04-14-2009, 09:26 PM
In the spirit of the Edinson thread on the ORG...

Is anyone starting to think that ST was an anamoly? After two abysmal starts in Louisville (one of which he got ejected in the third inning,) is Homer showing that he's no different than the old Homer?

schmidty622
04-14-2009, 09:57 PM
Raises hand.... Ducks!

redsmetz
04-14-2009, 10:20 PM
I think I'm with Heather on this question. Like her, I don't worry about my own real life stuff, so no sense working myself up about a couple of starts at the beginning of the season. It's a long haul.

DTCromer
04-14-2009, 11:40 PM
As negative as I've been about him, I'm not THAT worried about him. I just think, as Marty and Jeff stated tonight, that he's extremely wound tight and sensitive. Probably just a little pissed off and showing a bit of immaturity after being sent down. I think he's tired of being in Louisville and ready to come up to the big leagues and thought he did enough to stay in Cincinnati.

Once we sent him down, he probably went back to his huntin' magazine days and sorta pouted a bit.

GIDP
04-14-2009, 11:42 PM
Someone in the Reds org got tosses for plunking someone? Has that happened any time in the last 10 years?

JayBruceFan
04-15-2009, 01:02 AM
It's still early

Wait until he hits start 4 or 5 until you fly off the handle

M2
04-15-2009, 01:28 AM
There's a song lyric for all occasions For Homer Bailey's current predicament it's "You always end up losing 'cause you got a see-through head."

reds44
04-15-2009, 05:03 AM
Me.

membengal
04-15-2009, 07:35 AM
Not me. I am all of out of worry. I am at the point in the season where I require more data than two outings to "worry". Look me up after a full season of AAA for Homer with 170+ innings thrown for any concern.

bucksfan2
04-15-2009, 08:43 AM
Someone in the Reds org got tosses for plunking someone? Has that happened any time in the last 10 years?

I like it. I haven't seen a Reds pitcher throw at a batter, knock a batter down, throw a wake up pitch, etc. in a long time. Homer has had a couple of tough starts but I like the nastiness that he can show.

HeatherC1212
04-15-2009, 09:05 AM
I think I'm with Heather on this question. Like her, I don't worry about my own real life stuff, so no sense working myself up about a couple of starts at the beginning of the season. It's a long haul.

:thumbup: It's definitely too early to worry and I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering why we're supposed to be worrying about everything. ;)

Hakuna matata for a while people, LOL :laugh:

GIDP
04-15-2009, 09:15 AM
I like it. I haven't seen a Reds pitcher throw at a batter, knock a batter down, throw a wake up pitch, etc. in a long time. Homer has had a couple of tough starts but I like the nastiness that he can show.

I dont dislike it.

M2
04-15-2009, 09:36 AM
I like it. I haven't seen a Reds pitcher throw at a batter, knock a batter down, throw a wake up pitch, etc. in a long time. Homer has had a couple of tough starts but I like the nastiness that he can show.

All he showed is the same immature attitude that's served him so poorly to date. Can't find the plate? Getting cuffed around? Then do something juvenile and get yourself tossed. He's Mike Tyson biting an ear.

You say "nastiness," I say "cracks under a slight amount of pressure."

CrackerJack
04-15-2009, 10:36 AM
Been "worried' about him for 2 years now...not sure he ever makes it as anything more than a reliever.

I'm not a big fan of his, over-hyped, poor, inconsistent work ethic, fragile ego, straight fastball, no out pitch etc..., still.

The only counter argument seems to be "he's still young," and every year that goes by, that argument holds less water.

Kc61
04-15-2009, 10:58 AM
It's tough not to be worried about Homer, but it's also probably a bad idea ever to count too heavily on any one prospect. Very few are sure shots, obviously, and if Homer winds up not meeting the hype, there will be somebody else who exceeds the hype and helps the club more.

Right now, the great strength on the AAA staff is in the bullpen with Roenicke, Bray, Fisher, Viola, Manuel. Not sure too many other AAA teams can match that group in terms of promise.

Reds don't have a lot of available spots for these relievers right now, but they will have to make some decisions on them soon.

schmidty622
04-15-2009, 11:17 AM
It's tough not to be worried about Homer, but it's also probably a bad idea ever to count too heavily on any one prospect. Very few are sure shots, obviously, and if Homer winds up not meeting the hype, there will be somebody else who exceeds the hype and helps the club more.

Right now, the great strength on the AAA staff is in the bullpen with Roenicke, Bray, Fisher, Viola, Manuel. Not sure too many other AAA teams can match that group in terms of promise.

Reds don't have a lot of available spots for these relievers right now, but they will have to make some decisions on them soon.

A mid season trade of Rhoades, Weathers, and Lincoln (if we can get something for him) would be the best route IMO. Contending teams are always looking for vet bullpen help by the middle of the year, and the Reds have the young arms to fill in for any vacancy.

Kc61
04-15-2009, 03:03 PM
A mid season trade of Rhoades, Weathers, and Lincoln (if we can get something for him) would be the best route IMO. Contending teams are always looking for vet bullpen help by the middle of the year, and the Reds have the young arms to fill in for any vacancy.


Reds would only trade the vet relievers if completely out of it. Right now, the veterans in the bullpen are the main go-to guys and it is always risky to break in a batch of young relievers.

If the Reds stay reasonably close to contention for awhile, the best chance for the AAA relievers is an injury or if someone like Herrera or Massett flames out. They will stick with Lincoln who has a real contract and won't be so easily shipped out.

Mario-Rijo
04-15-2009, 05:29 PM
I was somewhat pessimistic even in s/t I think he was trying to be who he thought everyone wanted him to be with his demeanor, which he nailed. Too me it was just a matter of time if it wasn't a real change and looks like it could be the case. That said look at Josh Beckett the other night, he still has a serious attitude problem. The real problem is his 1st start he was exactly what he had been for so long last season being hittable. So am I starting to worry? Nope I never stopped worrying completely.

schmidty622
04-15-2009, 05:38 PM
I was somewhat pessimistic even in s/t I think he was trying to be who he thought everyone wanted him to be with his demeanor, which he nailed. Too me it was just a matter of time if it wasn't a real change and looks like it could be the case. That said look at Josh Beckett the other night, he still has a serious attitude problem. The real problem is his 1st start he was exactly what he had been for so long last season being hittable. So am I starting to worry? Nope I never stopped worrying completely.

The difference is Beckett has top of the line stuff. Homer has a Straightball and barely above average secondary pitches.

ChatterRed
04-16-2009, 11:53 AM
You guys are just now starting to worry about him?

I say trade him for a RH power bat when his numbers come around.

Mario-Rijo
04-16-2009, 10:01 PM
The difference is Beckett has top of the line stuff. Homer has a Straightball and barely above average secondary pitches.

My point exactly. :cool: