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Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 07:11 PM
REDS

W. Taveras cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .292
J. Hairston Jr. lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .143
J. Votto 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .400
B. Phillips 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .214
E. Encarnacion 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .185
L. Nix rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
R. Hernandez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .192
A. Gonzalez ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .087
A. Harang p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0


ASTROS

M. Bourn cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258
M. Tejada ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .368
L. Berkman 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .212
C. Lee lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .189
H. Pence rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .278
G. Blum 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
I. Rodriguez c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .200
J. Smith 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
W. Rodriguez p



From Fay: Jay Bruce was scratched from Saturday's line with a sore right hand. It's been bothering him since he was hit by a pitch by Yovani Gallardo on Monday.

Laynce Nix will start in right and bat sixth.

redsfaninbsg
04-18-2009, 07:49 PM
It's hard not to be optimistic when the Reds are 5-4 and you see batting averages like that.

Degenerate39
04-18-2009, 08:03 PM
For whom it may concern the chat is open

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:07 PM
Taveras strike out swinging.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:09 PM
Hairston lines a single to right.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:12 PM
Votto grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. 0-0 mid 1st.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 08:15 PM
That was nasty....Bourn had no shot

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:15 PM
Bourn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:18 PM
Tejada lines a single to left.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:19 PM
Tejada steals 2nd.

11larkin11
04-18-2009, 08:19 PM
And another SB off Harang...

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:20 PM
Berkman strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Infield hit for Lee. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:22 PM
Pence singles to left. 1-0 Astros. 1st and 2nd.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 08:23 PM
How about them Yanks? :)

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:24 PM
Blum singles to left. 2-0 Astros. Last 3 hits have all been hit in basically the same location.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 08:24 PM
They're hitting them where the defense isn't...nothing all that hard.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:25 PM
Pence easily steals 3rd as Harang does not even look at him.

GAC
04-18-2009, 08:25 PM
Man! Talk about some bad luck this inning. A bunch of bloop, seeing eye singles. Gets the job done though.

And that was a terrible throw to home by Hairston who fields the ball behind the SS, very shallow. Yet still throws it wide. A good throw would have saved a run.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:27 PM
Rodriguez grounds out to 3rd. 2-0 Astros after 1.

alloverjr
04-18-2009, 08:28 PM
I'm actually schocked that Gonzalez wasn't able to get to all of those balls in the hole. He's either still hurt/tentative or just damn slow (and he looks a bit heavy) ;).

I want to see Janish for a week.

Oh, and Phillips is a hack.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:30 PM
Phillips pops out to 2nd.

Gallen5862
04-18-2009, 08:31 PM
How hard is Harang throwing?

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 08:31 PM
Man! Talk about some bad luck this inning. A bunch of bloop, seeing eye singles. Gets the job done though.

And that was a terrible throw to home by Hairston who fields the ball behind the SS, very shallow. Yet still throws it wide. A good throw would have saved a run.

and it was carlos lee running for crying out loud

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:32 PM
Encarnacion strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:33 PM
Nix strikes out swinging. 2-0 Astros mid 2nd.

VR
04-18-2009, 08:35 PM
How hard is Harang throwing?
Looks good, low 90's. Great k of Berkman in the 1st as well.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 08:36 PM
Wow! Nice play by Phillips!

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:36 PM
Great play by Phillips. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:38 PM
Rodriquez strikes out looking. 2 outs. 3 Ks.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 08:38 PM
Marty's not a fan of twitter or facebook :)

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 08:39 PM
Brandon!

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:39 PM
Another great play by Phillips on a leaping catch. 2-0 Astros after 2.

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 08:39 PM
Phillips showing how to field your position:p:

JaxRed
04-18-2009, 08:39 PM
Harang looks fine, they were just slow seeing eye grounders that got thru. And Gonzales didn't exhibit a LOT of range.

Gallen5862
04-18-2009, 08:40 PM
Thanks for the info VR and thanks to everyone for the PBP.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:42 PM
Hernandez srikes out looking. 4 Ks for Rodriquez

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:44 PM
Gonzalez strikes out looking. 2 outs.

jojo
04-18-2009, 08:45 PM
The Reds got punked that inning.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:45 PM
Harang strikes out looking. 5 straight Ks for Rodriguez and 6 overall. 2-0 Astros mid 3rd.

CTA513
04-18-2009, 08:45 PM
1 run in Harangs 1st start
2 runs in Harangs 2nd start
and no signs of any offense so far in his 3rd start

Tony Cloninger
04-18-2009, 08:47 PM
Good grief this is pathetic. This guy is not that good against anybody.

Used to always amaze me that Fred Norman would pitch really well against the Reds before they traded for him as well.......Is Gene Locklear available to be traded for Rodriguez?

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:48 PM
Tejada grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:48 PM
Berkman flies out to center. 2 outs.

Raisor
04-18-2009, 08:49 PM
Marty's not a fan of twitter or facebook :)

Get Off My Lawn!!!

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:50 PM
Lee lines a single to right center

jojo
04-18-2009, 08:51 PM
Lee is gassed for the rest of the game....

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:53 PM
Pence singles to center. 1st and 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:53 PM
Blum flies out to center. 2-0 Astros after 3.

CTA513
04-18-2009, 08:54 PM
Time to see if Rodriguez can K 8 in a row.

jojo
04-18-2009, 08:54 PM
If Pence's grounder doesn't hit the bag, Phillips still would've had time to walk to second and wait before taggin' Lee out....

GAC
04-18-2009, 08:56 PM
Good grief this is pathetic. This guy is not that good against anybody.

Overall, he's 1-2 vs the Reds, with a 4.24 ERA. But in the past two seasons, Rodriguez has a 2.96 ERA and 1.15 WHIP in 29 starts at home.

Could be a tough luck night for Aaron if this offesne doesn't come through. But they did this to him last season also - no run support.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:56 PM
Taveras grounds out to the pitcher. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Hairston flies out to right. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 08:59 PM
Yeah, that Votto guy gets another hit.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 08:59 PM
Votto bloops a single to left.

Razor Shines
04-18-2009, 09:00 PM
Joey. Could have had a double.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:00 PM
Brandon against a lefty with a short porch in left....

BearcatShane
04-18-2009, 09:01 PM
If he knew where the ball was he would be on second. When it came off his bat I think he thought it was going foul.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:01 PM
Phillips grounds into a 5-4 FC. 2-0 Astros mid 4th.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:04 PM
Rodriguez grounds out to Harang. 1 out.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:04 PM
Good gosh the Astros tv crew just reeled off a series of bad baby nursing puns....

alloverjr
04-18-2009, 09:05 PM
Might I recommend getting Phillips out of the 4 hole? With Votto on base all day in front of him the only thing stopping a DP is a Votto double or 2 outs. Exhibit A for the offseason need for a RH middle of the order bat. Yuk.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:05 PM
Smith pops out to short. 2 outs.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:07 PM
What is sad here id that Harang is throwing really good.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:07 PM
FYI, Harang doesn't appear to have any velocity issues tonight for those who participated in the recent discussion

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Rodriguez strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for Harang. 2-0 Astros after 4.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:08 PM
Another K to make it a 1-2-3 inning for Aaron

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:08 PM
What is sad here id that Harang is throwing really good.

Don't tell FCB ;)

Gallen5862
04-18-2009, 09:08 PM
Looks like Harang has settled down and is in line for another quality start. Hopefully the Offense will come through again for another Reds win.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:10 PM
Absolutely no patience tonight for Reds "hitters"

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:10 PM
Encarnacion grounds out to short on the first pitch. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:12 PM
Cy Wandy weaving his magic against an inept offensive ballclub

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:12 PM
Nix strikes out swinging. 7 Ks for Rodriguez.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:12 PM
Nice pitch to K on Nix :rolleyes:

Falls City Beer
04-18-2009, 09:12 PM
Wandy should win the Rodney Dangerfield "No Respect" award: lefty who can throw two offspeed pitches for strikes routinely can probably survive for a while in the game.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:14 PM
Hernandez flies out to center. 2-0 Astros mid 5th.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:15 PM
66 pitches for Rodriquez. 58 for Aaron. Both very efficient tonight.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:16 PM
Wandy has been an above average starting pitcher for a couple seasons now...above average Krate and walk rates. He'd fit really well into the Reds rotation and really, any team would take him

Falls City Beer
04-18-2009, 09:16 PM
66 pitches for Rodriquez. 58 for Aaron. Both very efficient tonight.

Wandy's pretty much a lefty Harang. He doesn't get any press because he plays for a mediocre team, but when he's on he's as good any lefty in the game.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:17 PM
Bourn singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:18 PM
Bourn steals 2nd. Astros 3rd steal tonight.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:19 PM
Tejada flies out to right. 1 out.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:19 PM
Wow! What a throw by Nix from RF to 3B

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:20 PM
Berkman flies out to left. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Marty on the Yankees: "They can't lose enough." :)

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:22 PM
Lee doubles to left. His 3rd hit tonight. 3-0 Astros.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:22 PM
Lee has wheels.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:23 PM
I was hoping Aaron would have walked Lee there. The guy was 2 fer 2 coming to the plate tonight. Now 3 fer 3 ;)

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:23 PM
Pence grounds out to short. 3-0 Astros after 5.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:23 PM
3-0 Astros now

CTA513
04-18-2009, 09:25 PM
3-0 Astros now

3 runs... thats what the Reds have scored so far in Harangs 3 starts.

Razor Shines
04-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Boy, Marty is ripping Harang to shreds for the way he's pitched so far.

Tony Cloninger
04-18-2009, 09:25 PM
I guess i am not giving him enough credit.....I also don't think these Reds hitters cannot win against this type of pitcher ....ever. Not with their plate approach.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Gonzalez flies out to right. 1 out.

Razor Shines
04-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Is the game on FSN Ohio? I selected the FSN Ohio feed on mlb.tv and they are giving me the 700wlw audio with the FSN video.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Boy, Marty is ripping Harang to shreds for the way he's pitched so far.

Did Harang K with runners on or something?

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Boy, Marty is ripping Harang to shreds for the way he's pitched so far.

Really?

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Harang strikes out swinging. 8 Ks for Rodriguez. 2 outs.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Is the game on FSN Ohio?

yep. Watching it now

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Is the game on FSN Ohio? I selected the FSN Ohio feed on mlb.tv and they are giving me the 700wlw audio with the FSN video.Yes it is on in HD tonight.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:28 PM
Yawn...another 1,2,3 inning for Wandy.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:28 PM
Taveras flies out to center. 3-0 Astros mid 6th.

Razor Shines
04-18-2009, 09:29 PM
Really?

Yeah, he said it's really disappointing to see Aaron pitch this bad after the way he pitched last time out. Or something similar to that effect, and he's said it more than once.

Razor Shines
04-18-2009, 09:30 PM
Yes it is on in HD tonight.

hmm....I wonder why they're giving me the wlw audio.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:31 PM
Blum singles to right.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:32 PM
There's the Reds we know and love....

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:33 PM
Terrible throw BP

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:33 PM
Rodriguez hits the ball off Harang's glove. Phillips picks it up tries for the force at 2nd and throws the ball into left field. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:34 PM
Yeah, he said it's really disappointing to see Aaron pitch this bad after the way he pitched last time out. Or something similar to that effect, and he's said it more than once.

Marty can be a real idiot sometimes. :cool:

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:35 PM
Smith strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Harang. 1 out.

CTA513
04-18-2009, 09:35 PM
The Astros gave Rodriguez a single and then Phillips an error that allowed them to go to 2nd and 3rd.

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 09:36 PM
Marty can be a real idiot sometimes. :cool:

I can't hear what Marty is saying, but in fairness, giving up 10 hits (so far) in just over 5 innings, isn't exactly missing many bats. On top of that, he's not done much with regards to holding the runners close to give Hernandez a chance.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:36 PM
Rodriguez fouls out to 3rd. 2 outs.

VR
04-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Rodriguez hits the ball off Harang's glove. Phillips picks it up tries for the force at 2nd and throws the ball into left field. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

Should have been FC and error....not even close to being a hit.

Razor Shines
04-18-2009, 09:38 PM
Now, Marty is saying that it's a tribute to Harang's ability to battle for the Reds to be still in the game when he doesn't have his best stuff.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:39 PM
Bourn strikes out swinging. Great job by Harang to get out of that. 3-0 Astros after 6.

Screwball
04-18-2009, 09:39 PM
"I don't need no stinkin' defense."

Falls City Beer
04-18-2009, 09:39 PM
Harang gave the team a chance; hung in when it mattered. Now it's on the offense.

alloverjr
04-18-2009, 09:40 PM
Harang gave the team a chance; hung in when it mattered. Now it's on the offense.

It will be all year.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:41 PM
I can't hear what Marty is saying, but in fairness, giving up 10 hits (so far) in just over 5 innings

True. But 2 of those runs were via freak, seeing eye singles. Yeah, I know they still count, but it has to be frustrating to see that kind of tough luck. Plus having a gamey armed LFer, who fields a shallow hit ball, and can't throw out a Carlos Lee.

I still say they should have walked Lee in his last A/B, and they may be only down 2-0. ;)

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:42 PM
What is Rodriquez' velocity. He looks like he's throwing smoke.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:43 PM
Hairston flies out to right. 1 out.

Screwball
04-18-2009, 09:43 PM
What is Rodriquez' velocity. He looks like he's throwing smoke.

They had his last heater at 89.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:45 PM
I can't hear what Marty is saying, but in fairness, giving up 10 hits (so far) in just over 5 innings, isn't exactly missing many bats. On top of that, he's not done much with regards to holding the runners close to give Hernandez a chance.

Ramon seems to be having that problem more and more with each passing year.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:45 PM
Votto strikes out looking on a pitch that was outside. 2 outs.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:46 PM
Ya have to tip your hat to Rodriquez. He's pitching one whale of a game so far. Could go all the way.

Game could be over by 9:30 ;)

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 09:46 PM
True. But 2 of those runs were via freak, seeing eye singles. Yeah, I know they still count, but it has to be frustrating to see that kind of tough luck. Plus having a gamey armed LFer, who fields a shallow hit ball, and can't throw out a Carlos Lee.

I still say they should have walked Lee in his last A/B, and they may be only down 2-0. ;)

Couldn't agree more with those two statements. Add to that the consistent lack of run support for Aaron and it makes for a long night.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:47 PM
Ya have to tip your hat to Rodriquez. He's pitching one whale of a game so far. Could go all the way.

Game could be over by 9:30 ;)

He might show Phillips one too many curves though....

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:49 PM
Phillips walks. Reds first baserunner since the 4th inning.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:49 PM
STOP THE PRESSES! We got another base runner.

VR
04-18-2009, 09:50 PM
Patience EE

Tom Servo
04-18-2009, 09:50 PM
First time in forever I get the Reds on TV, and they're getting dominated by Rodriquez. Sigh.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
Back to back walks!

Tom Servo
04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
Edwin walks!

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
Thank God I'm not watching this game in bed.

I'd have been sawing logs about 4 innings ago.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
Encarnacion walks. 1st and 2nd.

Tom Servo
04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
Here comes the part where Laynce Nix hits a three run bomb!


or not, whatever.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
EE may never swing again.

VR
04-18-2009, 09:52 PM
Fantastic effort by EE. He was a bit jumpy on the first pitch....but very calm after that.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Nix looks overmatched up here.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Nix Nix

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Nix strikes out swinging for the 3rd time. 10 Ks for Rodriguez. 3-0 Astros mid 7th.

VR
04-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Not pretty, not pretty at all on Nix. Two 88mph fastballs down the middle for good morning and good afternoon that he took, good night on curve ball sixteen inches out of the zone.

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Nix looks overmatched up here.

COMPLETELY overmatched:(

CTA513
04-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Nix looks like he should be the one not hitting against lefties.

GAC
04-18-2009, 09:54 PM
And we all thought Dunn K'd too much ;)

alloverjr
04-18-2009, 09:55 PM
COMPLETELY overmatched:(

It's a shame Dickerson can't hit lefties.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Tejada is hit by the pitch

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:56 PM
oops

Patrick Bateman
04-18-2009, 09:56 PM
There's honestly no excuse for Nix to be up in that spot. For one thing, he should never be in the starting line-up against a lefty anyways. Just a horrible match-up. It's frustrating because its such an easy hole to fill. You just have to have a better RH option that Darnell McDonald. Instead, as much as I like Nix, he was completely overmatched in what might be our only chance of the night.

CrackerJack
04-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Is there a good reason you live Nix in there for that AB? This team needs some help.

8 scoreless last night and 7 scoreless so far tonight...they had chances to cash-in vs Oswalt last night too.

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Here comes the part where Laynce Nix hits a three run bomb!


or not, whatever.

A quality lefty is Nix's worst nightmare. It's just tough luck for the Reds.

alloverjr
04-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Nice effort Hernandez.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Tejada to 2nd on a wild pitch.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Harang's running out of gas, it seems...

jojo
04-18-2009, 09:58 PM
A poem:

Ramon...defensive whiz, offensive juggernaut.

Surpassing the Reds expectations.....NOT!

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Berkman walks on 4 pitches. 1st and 2nd.

Raisor
04-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Is there a good reason you live Nix in there for that AB? This team needs some help.

.

Roster construction leaves a bit to be desired.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 09:59 PM
Is Barbara Bush keeping score?

OnBaseMachine
04-18-2009, 10:00 PM
This offense is horrible.

GAC
04-18-2009, 10:00 PM
Well.... all we need now is for Kepp to come into the game and turn the screw a little tighter. ;)

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:01 PM
Burton in to pitch. Double switch as Dickerson is in to play right.

CTA513
04-18-2009, 10:01 PM
Here comes Burton and we have no clue which Burton will show up tonight.

Falls City Beer
04-18-2009, 10:02 PM
Let's hope Burton isn't a gas can.

GAC
04-18-2009, 10:02 PM
Harang wasn't on; but he didn't pitch a bad game. Has to be very frustrating.

The bad news Aaron? It most likely won't be the last time you're in this situation in '09.

jojo
04-18-2009, 10:03 PM
Is Barbara Bush keeping score?

Yes.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:03 PM
A 4 pitch walk to Lee. Bases loaded no outs.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 10:03 PM
This is about to get ugly

OnBaseMachine
04-18-2009, 10:03 PM
Three good starts by Harang to begin the season, regardless of what his final line will look like after Burton allows these two runs.

GAC
04-18-2009, 10:03 PM
Here comes Burton and we have no clue which Burton will show up tonight.

Just found out.


Gave up the BB to load the bases with 0 outs

VR
04-18-2009, 10:03 PM
Nice to see Aaron tear up the dugout after he got pulled. I'm sure he was disappointed w/ his efforts......but would of been nice if he was lighting up the Reds offense for abandoning him this year. ;)

CTA513
04-18-2009, 10:04 PM
Three good starts by Harang to begin the season. That's great to see.

This start is about to go to bad after Harangs 2 runners score.

Tom Servo
04-18-2009, 10:04 PM
Has anyone ever seen Harang that upset before?

GAC
04-18-2009, 10:04 PM
Nice to see Aaron tear up the dugout after he got pulled. I'm sure he was disappointed w/ his efforts......but would of been nice if he was lighting up the Reds offense for abandoning him this year. ;)

He's use to it. They did it to him last year too.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:04 PM
Pence strikes out swinging on a 93 MPH fastball. 1 out.

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 10:05 PM
Has anyone ever seen Harang that upset before?

Never seen it. I liked it.

OnBaseMachine
04-18-2009, 10:05 PM
Harang has to be the unluckiest pitcher in the game. The Reds offense has scored three runs in his three starts.

VR
04-18-2009, 10:06 PM
Harang has to be the unluckiest pitcher in the game. The Reds offense has scored three runs in his three starts.


that might be an exaggeration....

GAC
04-18-2009, 10:07 PM
Blum doubles to score two..... and GAC is gonna retire and watch a bad movie. ;)

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:07 PM
That pretty much ends this game. Blum doubles to right. 5-0 Astros. 2nd and 3rd.

CTA513
04-18-2009, 10:07 PM
5-0 Astros

VR
04-18-2009, 10:08 PM
after making him look bad all at bat with pitches out of the zone...he's throws him a 2 and 2 offspeed pitch right. down. broadway.

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 10:08 PM
and suddenly harang's "not bad" start looks awful.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:08 PM
Rodriguez singles to left. 7-0 Astros.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 10:08 PM
Something's wrong with Burton...he's getting pounded so far this year - this isn't the pitcher we saw last year

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 10:10 PM
I'm sure glad we squeaked out the win last night.

jojo
04-18-2009, 10:12 PM
I'm sure glad we squeaked out the win last night.

Pretty much a lucky homer too.

CTA513
04-18-2009, 10:15 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Carlos Fisher get a shot if these other guys can't throw strikes or get people out without getting pounded.

lollipopcurve
04-18-2009, 10:15 PM
Pretty much a lucky homer too.

In a game in which they gave up no lucky homers.

Hernandez put a real good swing on the ball. The park plays as the park plays.

You sound like a sore loser.

VR
04-18-2009, 10:17 PM
Something's wrong with Burton...he's getting pounded so far this year - this isn't the pitcher we saw last year

His stuff looks great. Location....not so much.

I'm wondering how well Hernandez is clicking with the staff so far. Looks like he's calling the pitche as well.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 10:18 PM
A trot!

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:18 PM
A leadoff walk for Hernandez.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 10:19 PM
Gonzo's bat is dead.

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 10:19 PM
Harang's final line:

6 innings
10 hits
5 runs
1 bb
6 k

His performance, while not up to par, wasn't as bad as the final numbers show.

LINEDRIVER
04-18-2009, 10:20 PM
Gonzo should be BENCHED for swinging at that pitch.

Screwball
04-18-2009, 10:21 PM
Gonzalez takes one right down the middle and then grounds into a dp on junk on the outside corner.

Frustrating.

jojo
04-18-2009, 10:22 PM
In a game in which they gave up no lucky homers.

Hernandez put a real good swing on the ball. The park plays as the park plays

Ya. He's been swinging the bat so well. The truth is that Hernandez had a slow bat and got rewarded. It's not something to count on regularly.


You sound like a sore loser.

Ya because I pulled a hammy when I jumped up to celebrate and now I'm pissed that I have to take the elevator instead of the stairs so I'm taking it out on Ramon.

Screwball
04-18-2009, 10:24 PM
Gonzo should be BENCHED for swinging at that pitch.

Well, he got benched alright. Doubt it was for that last swing though.

VR
04-18-2009, 10:24 PM
Gonzo's bat is dead.

Two starters w/ batting averages over .200......It's a team effort.

alloverjr
04-18-2009, 10:25 PM
Gonzalez takes one right down the middle and then grounds into a dp on junk on the outside corner.

Frustrating.


The frustarting thing is that they went into 2009 with him as their starting short stop. The major needs on this club going into the year were a LF and SS and Walt pooched them both.

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:25 PM
A 1-2-3 inning for Herrera.

BCubb2003
04-18-2009, 10:26 PM
A 1-2-3 inning for Herrera.

A three-pitch inning for Herrera.

VR
04-18-2009, 10:27 PM
Dye for Bailey sound pretty good about now.

Matt700wlw
04-18-2009, 10:29 PM
Two starters w/ batting averages over .200......It's a team effort.

He's definitely not the only one

flyer85
04-18-2009, 10:30 PM
I'd like to see the new offense they talked about

Tony Cloninger
04-18-2009, 10:30 PM
Blaming Ramon for Harang's really terrible attempts to hold runners on....and then talking about his slow bat......sounds to me you don't like this guy no matter what already?

Reds Fanatic
04-18-2009, 10:31 PM
Reds lose 7-0. The offense only gets 2 singles and 3 walks all night.

BCubb2003
04-18-2009, 10:32 PM
We're not great any more!!!!

jojo
04-18-2009, 10:32 PM
The reds faced a tough lefty tonight who was on his game.

CTA513
04-18-2009, 10:32 PM
Reds lose 7-0

3 runs scored in Harangs 3 starts
Harang is now 1-2 with a 2.70 ERA

Red in Chicago
04-18-2009, 10:32 PM
At least it was a quick kill tonight...we'll get 'em tomorrow.

VR
04-18-2009, 10:34 PM
Blech.

Hope EV is on tomorrow....it would be nice to go 4-2 in Milwaukie and Houston...nothing wrong w/ that/.

Just heard Houston is calling someone up from the minors to start tomorrow? That's typically poison.

jojo
04-18-2009, 10:36 PM
Blaming Ramon for Harang's really terrible attempts to hold runners on....and then talking about his slow bat......sounds to me you don't like this guy no matter what already?

I haven't approached any player with a closed mind in 7000+ posts... it's not likely that ill start to now...

Tony Cloninger
04-18-2009, 10:49 PM
You talked about his drop in throwing out runners......after someone quoted Harang's inability to hold runners on at all.

I think he has been OK on defense.......but besides that homer...I agree his offense seems pretty bad.

alloverjr
04-18-2009, 11:16 PM
You talked about his drop in throwing out runners......after someone quoted Harang's inability to hold runners on at all.

I think he has been OK on defense.......but besides that homer...I agree his offense seems pretty bad.

Nobody's going to be successful with Harang on the mound. However, I would have not wasted the resources on him and went with Hanagan. Hernandez has not shown himself to be better IMO. Not that that switch makes this team a contender.

Stormy
04-18-2009, 11:19 PM
When you hit .208 as a team, and combine it with a non-existent slugging%, it's pretty much immaterial how effective your starting pitchers are on any given night. The only early positives for this offense are that they can't stay this bad (can they?), and that there has been an increased Walk rate from a few unlikely candidates. Let's hope the increased BBs are indicative of an improved plate approach, rather than simply a side-effect of playing the walk-happy Brewers' staff. It's a hard offense to watch, with nowhere to go but up.

If Walt had landed us the proper veteran RHH power bat for LF, and a new SS, how different might things have looked? Dye's 1100OPS, and Escobar's 900+OPS to-date would have looked pretty good at the top of the order, but 'Wait' Jocketty went a much different route.

Tony Cloninger
04-18-2009, 11:35 PM
How long before the new Eddie Joost's lose their patience? It will not be long before they decide...i wanna hack. Maybe it's better that they hack, beacuse improved walking ability seems to have curtailed EE's and BP's hitting. ;)

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 12:11 AM
When you hit .208 as a team, and combine it with a non-existent slugging%, it's pretty much immaterial how effective your starting pitchers are on any given night. The only early positives for this offense are that they can't stay this bad (can they?), and that there has been an increased Walk rate from a few unlikely candidates. Let's hope the increased BBs are indicative of an improved plate approach, rather than simply a side-effect of playing the walk-happy Brewers' staff. It's a hard offense to watch, with nowhere to go but up.

If Walt had landed us the proper veteran RHH power bat for LF, and a new SS, how different might things have looked? Dye's 1100OPS, and Escobar's 900+OPS to-date would have looked pretty good at the top of the order, but 'Wait' Jocketty went a much different route.

I totally agree. I'll go a step farther. This team is impossible to watch right now. Tonight, I just refused to get frustrated. After I saw that Harang was going to allow a bunch of runs, I just checked the score a few times. Yes, it's good to have pitching and defense, but without offense, your pitching has to be so good that 6 or 7 hits aren't going to do it (and a few runs).

The Dye trade should have been made even if they did want Homer (whom I firmly believe will never amount to much). It would have made a differene, but a better SS might have made more (providing the new SS could hit).

When the attendance drops below 10K on a lot of nights as the Reds go far south of .500, it will be because of boredom. Even if you win every game 2-1 or 3-2, watching this offense is certainly not entertainment. It's torture.

WVPacman
04-19-2009, 12:39 AM
Nice to see Aaron tear up the dugout after he got pulled. I'm sure he was disappointed w/ his efforts......but would of been nice if he was lighting up the Reds offense for abandoning him this year. ;)

I would have liked to see him knock a few offensive players around b/c this is getting rediculous.The guy goes out there almost every game and pitches a decent game and the offense ALWAYS lets him down.I don't know about you guys but I have yet to see this so called new offense that we are suppose to have this year.I know some of you wanted Adam Dunn out of here but every game I watch the more I miss him.I really think we screwed up by letting him go.Yes he stikesout alot but its a garrentee he will put up 40 hr and 100 rbi.

Im sick of Gonzo and I still am amazed that he is still in the lineup starting everyday with a 056 batting average.I would rather watch a rookie out there right now that him b/c he isn't doing nothing.

Razor Shines
04-19-2009, 03:24 AM
How long before the new Eddie Joost's lose their patience? It will not be long before they decide...i wanna hack. Maybe it's better that they hack, beacuse improved walking ability seems to have curtailed EE's and BP's hitting. ;)

They may get frustrated and decide to hack (more likely BP than Edwin) but over time a hacking approach well net a lower production. It may take a little time for pitchers to realize that the "new" Brandon won't get himself out on a pitchers pitch and that he's willing to take a walk, but it will happen and they'll have to start throwing him strikes. If they don't he can lead the league in walks, pounce on the few meatballs he gets and be a very valuable offensive player.

Degenerate39
04-19-2009, 03:32 AM
I would have liked to see him knock a few offensive players around b/c this is getting rediculous.The guy goes out there almost every game and pitches a decent game and the offense ALWAYS lets him down.I don't know about you guys but I have yet to see this so called new offense that we are suppose to have this year.I know some of you wanted Adam Dunn out of here but every game I watch the more I miss him.I really think we screwed up by letting him go.Yes he stikesout alot but its a garrentee he will put up 40 hr and 100 rbi.

Im sick of Gonzo and I still am amazed that he is still in the lineup starting everyday with a 056 batting average.I would rather watch a rookie out there right now that him b/c he isn't doing nothing.

I'm probably one of the biggest Dunn supporters here and I couldn't agree more. I think a lot of people predicted this less than good offense last season. They really needed to replace Dunn's production and they didn't do that.

jojo
04-19-2009, 10:12 AM
Context after 10 games:

Offense: ranked 13th in NL, 27th in mlb (3.8 R/G)

Defense: ranked 11th in NL, 18th in mlb (5.1 R/G)

actual W-L: 5-5
pythag W-L: 4-6

I think the Reds have come out of the shoot being roughly similar to the horse that they have been projected to be (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74707&highlight=projected+reds): a roughly average pitching staff and a below average offense.

I think some hope is offered by the notion that while the BB% for EE and Phillips would seem to be in for a steep correction, they're also better hitters than their first ten games (expect a regression there too!). Same thing with Bruce.

Gonzo and Ramon are question marks, really, I think, but, RH still will be better than his first 10 games even assuming his decline over the last few years is real.

Votto is really the only guy to expect a significant regression from offensively.

Pitching-wise, Volquez is going to be better, at least there isn't a real reason to expect his control/stuff is going all Dontrelle (a guy who clearly was tracking toward doomsday before his great bang). It's reasonable at least to believe that the early control issues of Volquez, Arroyo, and Cueto will take care of itself. Based upon velocity/command/stuff, it appears that Harang's projection is a realistic one (i.e. he's not toast, just expect the normal effects of age)

reds44
04-19-2009, 10:31 AM
Looks like I picked a good night to go out.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2009, 11:05 AM
Harang has to be the unluckiest pitcher in the game. The Reds offense has scored three runs in his three starts.

I agree that he doesn't get much support, but he pitched his way into that loss tonight. His stuff wasn't bad, he was hitting 91-92 pretty consistantly on Houston's gun, but his location stunk. They were hitting balls off him pretty consistantly and pretty solidly. Sure, some of them were seeing eye grounders, but still well struck.

As for the offense, yeah, they struggled but you've got to credit Wandy for that. That was the best I've ever seen him pitch BY FAR. He simply pounded the strike zone and his stuff had quite a bit of late movement. I've always known he had quality stuff, but he's also always been a bit of a head case. If you get him in trouble, he collapses...we just never got him into trouble. And he kept himself OUT of trouble by limiting the walks. That being said, the Reds still showed "fairly" good patience at the plate and took Wandy deep into counts...he just won those battles tonight.

Oh well, hopefully we'll still take 3 of 4.

And btw, I live about 40 minutes from Minute Maid and we left our house 2 1/2 hours prior to game time to see BP. LOL. It flooded worse in south Houston yesterday than it did during any hurricanes I've seen in the past 20 years here. We consistantly saw cars buried by water up to the middle of the windows. Crazy, CRAZY afternoon.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2009, 11:06 AM
Blaming Ramon for Harang's really terrible attempts to hold runners on....and then talking about his slow bat......sounds to me you don't like this guy no matter what already?

Definitely not Ramon's fault in regards to the steals. Aaron wasn't even paying attention to them at all. Swipes were totally on Harang. Ramon did a good job just to make them close.

Raisor
04-19-2009, 11:07 AM
I agree that he doesn't get much support, but he pitched his way into that loss tonight. .

He could have pitched a 1 run complete game and still would have lost.

It was the offense.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2009, 11:14 AM
He could have pitched a 1 run complete game and still would have lost.

It was the offense.

Combination of our offense and the gem thrown by Wandy. I'm not sure the best offense in the bigs would've gotten much done on him last night. I wasn't blaming Aaron for the loss, just saying that he wasn't exempt from any of the blame. He wasn't "on" last night, that's all.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 12:03 PM
It's hard to argue that it wasn't on the offense today. Still, it doesn't help that we have two of the worst relievers in baseball (Burton and Lincoln) getting as many innings as they've gotten.