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Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:12 PM
Tejada just saved them BIG TIME!

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:12 PM
Owings into the on-deck circle.

Now Chris Welsh says Dusty wouldn't ordinarily want Alex G to bunt. But Ramon H should? Chris Welsh may need some sort of mental health professional type of intervention...

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:13 PM
HAH!

Ball thrown away on the bunt. Reds SCORE!

nate
04-19-2009, 05:13 PM
Hoo-ray for errors!

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:13 PM
it's all about luck today, gang.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:13 PM
WOW!!!!!!!! What a break. I imagine Cooper is going to blow his stack!

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:13 PM
Gonzalez sacrifices and the pitcher throws the ball away. Tie game 1-1.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:13 PM
Ha, nice defense.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:14 PM
And there was much rejoicing.....

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 05:14 PM
Christmas.

That was a poor bunt, too.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:14 PM
Never know what is going to happen when you put pressure on the defense.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:14 PM
Let me say here, thanks EV, for fighting your demons and keeping the game close. You were not sharp, but you limited the damage. Much appreciated.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:14 PM
I predict a laser from Owings

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:14 PM
Runners are at 2nd and 3rd. No outs.

Owings up.

Owings kills it.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Geoff "Anthony" Geary is a lot easier to face than 96 on the outside paint.

CrackerJack
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Nice sequence of events!

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Owings doubles off the wall in left. 3-1 Reds!!!

nate
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Owings with a double!

Can i just say, LOL?

LOL!

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Micah needs to play everyday. Find him a position.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
I love Micah Owings' bat being availalble four days a week or so from the bench.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Owings is amazing. You can tell he learned to hit somewhere else

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Ha Ha... Micah is AMAZING. Dude takes a RIP!!!!!!!!!!

flyer85
04-19-2009, 05:15 PM
Reds really need to put that guy in LF if they want to win

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 05:16 PM
There's the big boy. Maybe not a great pitcher, maybe not a great hitter, but a great baseball athlete.

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 05:16 PM
Micah's bat is legit. That was a rocket.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:16 PM
3 runs ought to seal the deal?

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:16 PM
Reeeee-gression.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:16 PM
Bruce running for Owings

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 05:16 PM
I don't think pitchers take this guy very seriously....they think...sure he has some hits here and there...but no way is he that good. He threw that right down the middle...it was a fastball reserved for lesser type hitters/pitchers.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 05:17 PM
I love Micah Owings' bat being availalble four days a week or so from the bench.he is nothing special as a pitcher. Reds, give it up.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:17 PM
Taveras hit by the pitch.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:18 PM
3 runs ought to seal the deal?

You're forgetting out bullpen, jojo. It's always a crap shoot. Weathers-Burton-whoever is not lights out.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 05:18 PM
I don't think pitchers take this guy very seriously....they think...sure he has some hits here and there...but no way is he that good. He threw that right down the middle...it was a fastball reserved for lesser type hitters/pitchers.if was a fastball down and on the outer third and he went and got it with a beautiful swing. He can rake and his numbers prove. With the dearth of actual hitting ability it is a no-brainer.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 05:18 PM
Good job Micah!!! :D

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:18 PM
Were I manager of the Stros, I'd have left Paulino in. He had at least one more inning in him.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:19 PM
You're forgetting out bullpen, jojo. It's always a crap shoot. Weathers-Burton-whoever is not lights out.

As long as it's not Burton, I'll take my chances with the pen.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:19 PM
he is nothing special as a pitcher. Reds, give it up.

Flyer, I don't get this. He's nothing awful, either. If he can turn in a 4.50 or so from the 5th spot in the rotation, he is EXACTLY what this team needs. I think he can do just that.

The bat is a bonus.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 05:20 PM
I agree...he is a good hitter...i just don't think most pitchers around the leauge really believe it...YET.


Please....Rhodes....keep your good pitching going.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:20 PM
Dickerson strikes out swinging. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:20 PM
As long as it's not Burton, I'll take my chances with the pen.

Lincoln? seriously?

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:20 PM
That 2-0 strike call to Dickerson was no where near a strike. Not even close. Awful call by the ump. Bases should be loaded with no outs, instead runners are on first and second with one out.

MrCinatit
04-19-2009, 05:21 PM
I might be in the minority, but I love games like this

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:21 PM
Lincoln? seriously?

I think Lincoln will work out the kinks. Burton's velocity has been off, however. He looks terrible.

mth123
04-19-2009, 05:21 PM
I'd walk Votto and play for a Phillips DP.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:21 PM
You're forgetting out bullpen, jojo. It's always a crap shoot. Weathers-Burton-whoever is not lights out.

More ducks on the pond....lets not cancel hunting season yet.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
Are you serious Joey? You swing at a 3-0 pitch and ground into a doubleplay? Really?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
Votto grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. 3-1 Reds mid 7th.

mth123
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
Or a Votto DP.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
Flyer, I don't get this. He's nothing awful, either. If he can turn in a 4.50 or so from the 5th spot in the rotation, he is EXACTLY what this team needs. I think he can do just that.

The bat is a bonus.he is nothing special as a pitcher and I am highly skeptical of him having a 4.50 ERA or better as a starter. He has no pitch to handle LHBs. he could be special as a hitter.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
Good grief. 1st and 2nd and no outs and this putrid offense finds a way to let the Astros get out of it.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:23 PM
As good as Joey was last week, he's been as bad this week.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:23 PM
That 2-0 strike call to Dickerson was no where near a strike. Not even close. Awful call by the ump. Bases should be loaded with no outs, instead runners are on first and second with one out.

Ump missed that one and it really changed the AB, no doubt. However, he's done a very good job overall, IMO.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:23 PM
He's on a six-game hitting streak.

HokieRed
04-19-2009, 05:23 PM
Votto swings 3-0. Maybe need a new 4 hitter.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:24 PM
That should have been a huge inning. Dickerson was robbed by the umpire and then Votto grounds into a doubleplay on a 3-0 pitch. Man oh man.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 05:24 PM
Joey...you picked a fine time to stop hitting today. ;)

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:25 PM
Rhodes in to pitch. Hairston stays in to play right.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:25 PM
Rhodes was a good choice obvs.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:25 PM
So that is what a rally looks like.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:25 PM
I think Lincoln will work out the kinks. Burton's velocity has been off, however. He looks terrible.

He's been throwing 92, 93 with his heater. His problem has been locating his breaking ball. Far too many are right down broadway.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:26 PM
Now THAT was stupid, Joey.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:27 PM
A huge error as Votto bobbles what should have been an easy play.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:27 PM
He's been throwing 92, 93 with his heater. His problem has been locating his breaking ball. Far too many are right down broadway.

On Gameday, Burton was topping at 92 on his fastball. Last year he was topping at 94, IIRC. But yes, his location has been off too.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:27 PM
The pen is largely vanilla with some potential downside.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:27 PM
Awful day by Votto. GIDP on a 3-0 pitch and now he botches an easy play.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:28 PM
A huge error as Votto bobbles what should have been an easy play.

Wasn't even the bobble. He still had plenty of time to step on the bag, but tossed it instead..

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:28 PM
So much for Rhodes being a LOOGY

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:29 PM
Tejada singles to left. 1st and 2nd.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:29 PM
The pen is largely vanilla with some potential downside.

That's a fair assessment. But the Astros' 6-9 make vanilla pens look a lot better.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:29 PM
Once again, it looks like the Reds inability to add insurance runs will come back to bite them. That, and the defense.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:30 PM
I don't know what you mean, Jojo. Rhodes should stay in through Tejada to deal with Berkman.

This whole inning feels weird.

For those not watching it, all Votto had to do was step on 1st, but he got confused as to where he was and flipped it to Rhodes, who had no chance to beat Bourn to the bag.

hebroncougar
04-19-2009, 05:30 PM
Nice rally by the Reds............hope the pen doesn't cough it up. Great play by Encarnacion to help his pitcher out.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:31 PM
There it is. 5-3 DP.

Nice play at third base by EE. Very, very nice play.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Berkman grounds into a big 5-3 DP. 2 outs runner on 2nd.

NC Reds
04-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Great throw by EdE.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Tough play by EE. He shocked me with that one. Glad to see it.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Just walk Lee.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:31 PM
NOW I would get Rhodes out of the game, before facing Lee. If it were me, managing.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Good DP by Edwin. I still say we'll rue the day we let that last inning get away without more. Teams like this must score runs when they have the chance, which isn't often

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:32 PM
Yep, had to leave Rhodes in to turn around Berkman.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:32 PM
Time to pull Rhodes.

OUReds
04-19-2009, 05:32 PM
Credit where credit is due, that was a great play by EE.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:32 PM
I pitch to Lee here. Despite his power I think Rhodes has the stuff to get him out.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:32 PM
Not a fan of pitching to Lee.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:33 PM
Nice job Rhodes. Good pitching.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
Lee chases a high outside pitch and strikes out swinging. 3-1 Reds after 7.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
Holy crap, what was Lee swinging at?

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
I've been impressed with Arther R.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
Good on ya', Arthur Rhodes. Well done.

As much as Joey V has picked this team up through 10 games this year, it is nice to see EE and Rhodes pick him up in this one. That is good work erasing that mistake and getting through that part of the line-up. And then some.

Doc. Scott
04-19-2009, 05:35 PM
This is the second straight time Dusty has stuck Rhodes in there against some counter-intuitive matchups and the second straight time the old goat has done his job anyway. Good work.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:36 PM
Good on ya', Arthur Rhodes. Well done.

As much as Joey V has picked this team up through 10 games this year, it is nice to see EE and Rhodes pick him up in this one. That is good work erasing that mistake and getting through that part of the line-up. And then some.

Yep. Votto has carried the team on his back up until today. He's had a bad day, but it happens to everyone.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:36 PM
Man if the Reds can take two of first three against Oswalt, Rodriguez, and this flamethrower Paulino, I'd say we'd made out like bandits.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:36 PM
Jeff Fulchino in to pitch.

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 05:36 PM
So how come Rhodes has been rambling around all these years and ended up available to the Reds?

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:37 PM
I don't know what you mean, Jojo. Rhodes should stay in through Tejada to deal with Berkman.

This whole inning feels weird.

For those not watching it, all Votto had to do was step on 1st, but he got confused as to where he was and flipped it to Rhodes, who had no chance to beat Bourn to the bag.

There is value in making Berkman switch but Rhodes wasn't brought in to force that switch.

He was brought in to pitch the inning-an inning where he'd likely face 4 righties in a row.

This isn't the first time Dusty has done this.

That's the point. Dusty doesn't think of Rhodes as a LOOGY.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:37 PM
Phillips flies out to center. 1 out.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:39 PM
EE misses a double by about a couple feet, then looks bad while striking out.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:39 PM
There is value in making Berkman switch but Rhodes wasn't brought in to force that switch.

He was brought in to pitch the inning-an inning where he'd likely face 4 righties in a row.

This isn't the first time Dusty has done this.

That's the point. Dusty doesn't think of Rhodes as a LOOGY.

Berkman really isn't a switch hitter, IMO--he's gelded from the RH side, plus he's really slow out of the batter's box from the RH side. Bourn's a lefty.

Make no mistake, Rhodes was brought in to turn Berkman around. I do agree, he should have been taken out after that AB, however.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 05:39 PM
Rhodes...i do not think is going to be used as a LOOGY.....they probably feel he can go against a left or right handed hitter. Besides...I do not think Baker knows what the word LOOGY even means. Terry Forster....Pablo Torrealba...Steve Howe....they pitched against all hitters when he played...so can Rhodes.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:40 PM
Encarnacion strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:41 PM
Hairston bloops a single to center.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 05:41 PM
Nice hit from JHJ. :)

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:42 PM
Wow, Grande actually (finally) uses the term "bloop" correctly.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:46 PM
Hernandez lines out to right. 3-1 Reds mid 8th.

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 05:46 PM
Storm clouds forming.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:46 PM
Just 6 outs left to go and about $17M still left in the pen.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:48 PM
Just 6 outs left to go and about $17M still left in the pen.

Hopefully we can spend ~$12M of it in the 9th. :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:50 PM
Infield hit by Pence.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:51 PM
Pence with a lucky Inf. single.

Meanwhile, Reds' liners (when the actually do hit 'em) are finding leather.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:51 PM
Jojo:

No, he doesn't think of him as a LOOGY. I don't know that anyone on here thinks he does. Dusty is going to use Rhodes as his 7th inning guy. That said, the LOOGY characteristics that Rhodes has were prime against Bourn, obviously, and Berkman.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:51 PM
Just eat that ball EE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:53 PM
Blum walks. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
Rough, that walk hurts.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
No kidding.....he has no baseball sense sometimes.


Does Weathers do this on purpose? Don Stanhouse has nothing on Weathers.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
This is really where Weathers scares me. Forcing the ball to the plate, hoping and praying that someone will swing at his junk out of the zone.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
This looks suspiciously like a rally.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
Smith sacrifices the runners to 2nd and 3rd. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
Weathers. Sheesh. The bottom of the order up too and he still can't get them out. Pull him please before it's to late.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
Bring in Cordero. This is where the lack of power arms in the pen hurts.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:55 PM
Michaels hitting for Quintero

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 05:55 PM
"Just can't get my poor self together ..."

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:55 PM
Quality bunt by Jason Smith gets the job done.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:55 PM
Second and third, needing to throw a strike. A single up the middle off of a meatball 2 seamer will doom them.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:57 PM
Nice catch by Votto on a line drive. 2 outs.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:57 PM
SHEW! Votto temporarily saves the game with that catch.

nate
04-19-2009, 05:57 PM
Nice snag by Votto to save one, if not both runs from scoring.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:57 PM
WOW! What a break the Reds just got! Nice atonement for Votto. Weathers puts a bad pitch on Michaels and gets bailed out AGAIN.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:57 PM
Rodriguez pinch hitting

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Votto has saved some canadian bacon this inning with his glove both on EE's throw and the liner snaggage...

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Nice catch by Votto! :)

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 05:59 PM
Why does Dusty refuse to use Cordero for four out saves? This is the perfect time to bring him in.

jojo
04-19-2009, 05:59 PM
Aren't HOFers supposed to get those calls? (i.e. the appeal on Pudges swing)

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 05:59 PM
Wow...an 89mph fastball that was just swung through....

Screwball
04-19-2009, 06:00 PM
I think the 1b ump missed that call on Pudge. Didn't look like he went there.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 06:00 PM
I think the 1b ump missed that call on Pudge. Didn't look like he went there.

I agree. Didn't even look that close. :thumbdown

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
Geez...Pudge bailed him out big time.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
Wow, nice K there by Stormy! :eek:

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
Rodriguez strikes out swinging. 3-1 Reds after 8.

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
Man does Weathers ever love to walk the tightrope.

That said, as long as his slider continues to have that kind of bite this season, he's going to be effective. Maddening, perhaps, but effective.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
Stormy goes fishin' and catches a K to end the inning.

jojo
04-19-2009, 06:02 PM
Some insurance runs would be nice.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 06:02 PM
Weathers was fine that inning -- Pence got lucky, and the pitch to Michaels was a decent pitch off the plate, with a good take-it-to-RF swing. Then he Ks IRod. Nothing to complain about, IMO.

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 06:02 PM
That inning was the perfect summary of Weathers' time as a Red. Pure smoke and mirrors, multiple guys let on base, but when it's over no runs have scored.

jojo
04-19-2009, 06:03 PM
Few realize that Weathers can't actually fly with the team because he can't make it past the security devices that detect explosives....he's a tick, tick, ticking.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:05 PM
Few realize that Weathers can't actually fly with the team because he can't make it past the security devices that detect explosives....he's a tick, tick, ticking.

He's been ticking for the last four years and just keeps on going.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:05 PM
Sampson in to pitch.

Gonzalez grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 06:05 PM
Weathers was fine that inning -- Pence got lucky, and the pitch to Michaels was a decent pitch off the plate, with a good take-it-to-RF swing. Then he Ks IRod. Nothing to complain about, IMO.

And what about the smashed line drive that would have scored two runs had Votto not made a great play?

Nobody scored so I'm not complaining, but lets not pretend Weathers was cruising along out there.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 06:05 PM
That inning was the perfect summary of Weathers' time as a Red. Pure smoke and mirrors, multiple guys let on base, but when it's over no runs have scored.

Mitch Williams without the good fastaball and sharp slider! :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:05 PM
McDonald hitting for Weathers.

alloverjr
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
wow.

nate
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Old McDonald hits the ball
Stand up triple, yo

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
McDonald triples to center.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Dusty's boy looking good there...

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Darnell McDonald triple!

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
Nice triple by McDonald. Can they get him in and add an insurance run?

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
I was just about to post that I wish Rosales was up with the team to hit, rather than MacDonald. MacDonald, to make me eat crow, triples. Well hit ball.

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:07 PM
Really nice pinch hit work from McDonald there.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 06:07 PM
I agree that a squeeze could work except that they would be LOOKING for it here

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 06:07 PM
I was never happy about DM batting 2nd on opening day or being here over Gomes...but for what he has been asked to do.,...he has done it better than expected.

Of course...as soon as he SO afain on 3 pitches...he can go back to being sucky and please send him to AAA messages.

dougdirt
04-19-2009, 06:08 PM
Small ball!

nate
04-19-2009, 06:08 PM
OMG, a SAC FLY!

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:08 PM
Good good good at-bat from Willy T to get them the insurance run.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:08 PM
Sac fly to center for Taveras. 4-1 Reds. A big insurance run.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 06:08 PM
Nice over 50 softball league throw from Bourn

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 06:08 PM
Nice job by Taveras to get the run in. 4-1 Reds.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 06:09 PM
IF Rosales could play SS...on a semi-regular basis...then maybe he is here and Gonzo is gone....but since that is no the case....well then you are stuck with McDonald for now or until Hairston is hurt.

nate
04-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Nice over 50 softball league throw from Bourn

Seriously...that was a pop gun.

dougdirt
04-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Nice over 50 softball league throw from Bourn
Haha. I saw a throw like that a few days ago.... at a practice for 12 year old girls. It was impressive then. Not so much by a grown man in the major leagues.

jojo
04-19-2009, 06:09 PM
He's been ticking for the last four years and just keeps on going.

If by ticking you mean he's basically just been roughly an average bullpen arm....ya, I guess that's ticking.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:10 PM
Dickerson grounds out to 1st. 4-1 Reds mid 9th.

Bourn, Tejada and Berkman in the 9th to face Cordero.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:10 PM
That throw from Bourn was hilarious! How high did that thing fly?! :laugh:

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 06:10 PM
Triple A hitter hits a triple off a Triple A pitcher.

Raisor
04-19-2009, 06:10 PM
Seriously...that was a pop gun.

that's no pop gun, that's my..well, nevermind.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:10 PM
Dickerson with a check swing out. Chris hasn't had the best cuts today. He struck out with men on base in the seventh and the last two strikes were late swings -- looked like he was taking then decided it was over so he weakly swung too late. That time a check swing.

Coaches should tell him not to be tentative, he has excellent power and should trust his judgment.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 06:12 PM
And what about the smashed line drive that would have scored two runs had Votto not made a great play?

He already had 2 strikes on MIchaels and threw a ball off the outside corner. Michaels did a good job of taking the ball to RF -- a good swing on a decent pitch.

Weathers was fine that inning.

alloverjr
04-19-2009, 06:12 PM
I was just about to post that I wish Rosales was up with the team to hit, rather than MacDonald. MacDonald, to make me eat crow, triples. Well hit ball.

I was thinking the same thing (and still do) and looked at Rosales' numbers to date - .387 Avg and an OPS north of 1.200 with 4 HR's. Can we find a spot on the 25 man for that?

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:12 PM
If by ticking you mean he's basically just been roughly an average bullpen arm....ya, I guess that's ticking.

No, that's not what I meant. I think he has been above average.

jojo
04-19-2009, 06:13 PM
Why does Dusty refuse to use Cordero for four out saves? This is the perfect time to bring him in.

Dude....ya need Cordero to protect three run leads in the 9th!

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:13 PM
Bourn walks

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:13 PM
Did the K zone just shrink a bit?! :eek:

RedsManRick
04-19-2009, 06:13 PM
Good to see Willy get the run in, but unless the defense was playing in, I'd rather see him work on getting that ball on the ground up the middle. He's been hitting way too many fly balls thus far (.67 GB/FB)

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 06:13 PM
Great time for the umpire to start shrinking the strikezone. Cordero threw two strikes to Bourn and both were called balls. Those were strikes on Dickerson in the 7th inning. Umpires are getting worse each year.

jojo
04-19-2009, 06:14 PM
No, that's not what I meant. I think he has been above average.

But he hasn't.

RedsManRick
04-19-2009, 06:14 PM
It is funny how many managers will talk how about players need to put the team first and not worry about stats and then go out and manage their bullpen based on the allocation of a stat.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:14 PM
Tejada singles to left. 1st and 3rd.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:15 PM
Cordero walks the leadoff man. Many closers seem to have more trouble with a bigger lead. Maybe it's a lack of concentration. Now Tejada with a hit, and the game is in the balance.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 06:15 PM
I'm not sure how that ball fell in. Do the Reds ever make it easy? Good grief.

alloverjr
04-19-2009, 06:15 PM
Good to see Willy get the run in, but unless the defense was playing in, I'd rather see him work on getting that ball on the ground up the middle. He's been hitting way too many fly balls thus far (.67 GB/FB)

I would agree that his GB/FB ratio stinks for one with his speed, but his job in that situation was indeed to get the ball into the outfield.

Good job Coco.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:16 PM
I am not a fan of this K zone. Bourn should have never gotten on base in the first place. :thumbdown

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 06:16 PM
My suspicion last year was that Dickerson is an OK outfielder, but lacks instincts. My suspicions are being confirmed. He just does not play the ball in the air very well.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:16 PM
Yikes! Lee probably never saw that bat coming, LOL :laugh:

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Berkman throws his bat and almost decapitates Lee in the ODC.

C'mon Coco.

Team Clark
04-19-2009, 06:17 PM
I would say that could have been a bad injury. I.e. Juan Encarnacion

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Berkman strikes out swinging. 1 out.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Good K of Berkman there. Now let's get a DP to get this one OVER. :)

nate
04-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Cordero threw some heat to Berkman.

alloverjr
04-19-2009, 06:17 PM
My suspicion last year was that Dickerson is an OK outfielder, but lacks instincts. My suspicions are being confirmed. He just does not play the ball in the air very well.


He's not alone in this outfield.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:17 PM
Berkman fans. Lee up. Big batter here.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Sac fly to left for Lee. 2 outs. 4-2 Reds.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:19 PM
One more to go. Outfielders may be having some trouble with the outfield sun/shade situation.

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:21 PM
That extra run for the 4-1 lead heading into the bottom of the 9th has made this save situation less stressful on this particular fan.

But if he loses Pence to bring the winning run to the plate that will bring on some stress...

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Stress.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Pence walks. 1st and 2nd.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:21 PM
OK Coco, let's get this final out now please. :eek:

reds44
04-19-2009, 06:21 PM
I can't handle this.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Pence walks. Tying runs on base for Matsui.

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Course, Kax Matsui shouldn't be a walk-off threat. Shouldn't. Throw hard strikes Coco. Nothing breaking.

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 06:22 PM
That's the eighth walk given by the Reds today.

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:23 PM
That 1-1 pitch to Matsui sure looked like it should have been strike two.

Instead, 3-1 count now on Matsui...

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:23 PM
Now what looked like ball four called strike two from the ump...

Counts full to Matsui...

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:23 PM
Coco getting squeezed, but then gets a fortunate call. Full count.

jojo
04-19-2009, 06:24 PM
What a battle between Coco and MAtsui

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 06:25 PM
Reds win 4-2.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 06:25 PM
Reds win on fly out. Coco threw more pitches than Volquez, I think.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 06:25 PM
Matsui flies out to right. Reds win 4-2. :beerme:

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:25 PM
FINALLY, out #3 and the Reds win!! :D

membengal
04-19-2009, 06:25 PM
Nice win for Cincy. Very nice win. Would love to see them steal one from Hampton tomorrow night and get out of Houston winning three of four.

reds44
04-19-2009, 06:25 PM
4-2 on the road trip.

Not bad at all.

HeatherC1212
04-19-2009, 06:26 PM
Yikes, we had almost as many errors as runs scored today. :eek:

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 06:27 PM
Reds middle relief beats the Astros middle relief.

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 06:27 PM
Yikes, we had almost as many errors as runs scored today. :eek:

Really amazing actually... Reds gave up 7 hits and 8 walks, plus made 3 errors, but still only gave up two runs. That's pitching out of trouble.

Gallen5862
04-19-2009, 06:27 PM
"And This One Belongs To The Reds"

Puffy
04-19-2009, 06:28 PM
Man, reading thru this game thread there is no way that you would guess the Reds won. The Reds are over .500 right now and 80% of the people are acting like they are 2-9.

OUReds
04-19-2009, 06:31 PM
Man, reading thru this game thread there is no way that you would guess the Reds won. The Reds are over .500 right now and 80% of the people are acting like they are 2-9.

*shrug* I'm sure everyone is pleased with the win and a nice start, but lets not pretend that the Reds looked good today either.

PuffyPig
04-19-2009, 06:31 PM
Man, reading thru this game thread there is no way that you would guess the Reds won. The Reds are over .500 right now and 80% of the people are acting like they are 2-9.


And many wonder why most long time posters avoid the game thread.....

reds44
04-19-2009, 06:32 PM
Man, reading thru this game thread there is no way that you would guess the Reds won. The Reds are over .500 right now and 80% of the people are acting like they are 2-9.

Yeah it was painful to read.

PuffyPig
04-19-2009, 06:33 PM
*shrug* I'm sure everyone is pleased with the win and a nice start, but lets not pretend that the Reds looked good today either.


That's the exact point.

Are the Reds so talented that we can't be satisfied with a win. We have to look good too?

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 06:35 PM
I am happy with the win....just looks a lot like the mirages of some previous years also.

Another LHP starter? Please start Dickerson over Nix.... Dusty. Thanks

OUReds
04-19-2009, 06:38 PM
That's the exact point.

Are the Reds so talented that we can't be satisfied with a win. We have to look good too?

Sure, but I think everyone is satisfied with the win. Can we not be satisfied with a win without being all pollyanna when they play poorly?

*shrug* (again) just IMHO of course.

CTA513
04-19-2009, 06:42 PM
I was looking at box scores and see that Josh Hamilton is off to a rough start this season.

.229 average after going 0 for 4 with 3 Ks and 3 LOB today.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 06:44 PM
I was looking at box scores and see that Josh Hamilton is off to a rough start this season.

.229 average after going 0 for 4 with 3 Ks and 3 LOB today.

Yep. And his OPS is only .637.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 06:45 PM
Chris Welsh called this win lucky and I agree. I'll also say I'll take it and be happy with it. This team will walk a tightrope every game. I suppose we'd better get used to it because what you see is what you get.

jojo
04-19-2009, 07:08 PM
Chris Welsh called this win lucky and I agree. I'll also say I'll take it and be happy with it. This team will walk a tightrope every game. I suppose we'd better get used to it because what you see is what you get.

It was a stew of luck and good and bad and thats why they play the games....

There was the phantom tag by Phillips but there was also the nasty, nasty pitch to punk Pence with ducks on.....

There was Votto flubbing then flashing leather the next inning.

There was Weathers going farther into debt to his rabbits foot and Cordero blasting Berkman and then battling Matsui.

An epic battle between two of the worst performing offenses in the majors.... and an epic battle against two flame throwers.....

It was the best of times and the worst of times.... and no one went to the fridge during the last inning.

Red in Chicago
04-19-2009, 07:55 PM
Man, reading thru this game thread there is no way that you would guess the Reds won. The Reds are over .500 right now and 80% of the people are acting like they are 2-9.

Exactly right Puffy. I wasn't home today, but just read through the thread. Had I not already known the score, I definitely would have thought the Reds got pounded.

I can only speak for myself, but some of the exchanges in this thread are really not acceptable. The lack of respect shown to one another and the unreasonable desire to be "right", simply make it impossible to enjoy.

I won't call anyone out today, but can tell you that the back and forth banter that went on over a couple of subjects is not acceptable and only brings down the spirit of the game threads.

#5 from the rules states that:
"Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines" will not be tolerated.

General nuisance is generic enough to start giving some of you some unexpected vacations from the game thread. We are less than a dozen games into the year. It's time some of you made some fast changes.

Just my two cents. Thanks for reading.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2009, 08:04 PM
And yet again, despite the white flag being waved on Redszone, the Reds get out of it without allowing any runs.

I just got home from the game, and after reading just the first few pages...I'm kinda glad I went and didn't subject myself to the game thread. Cincrazy is spot on guys. The pessimism and giving up and calling it quits is getting really tiresome.

While Edinson certainly didn't have his best stuff in terms of control, he still pitched a fine game. The bullpen delivered yet again (despite the usual shaky inning from Stormy & Coco). The bats, while not potent and obviously struggling, did enough to provide the runs.

There are days that I think if the Reds were scoring 5-6 runs a game and getting excellent starts, this game thread would STILL be doom & gloom. Despite our starters not being sharp yet, despite the occasional glitch defensively, despite several of our hitters struggling at the plate....this team is STILL above .500 and a game out of first place. Doesn't it show you guys something about this team that even with all that stuff...they're still managing to figure out how to win games? Once things DO sort themselves out... :O)

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2009, 08:07 PM
Paulino throws 96 and fans here are calling him a terrible pitcher?

Exactly. He was VERY close to making the rotation for the Astros and while he's been very inconsistant in the past, this game shows that when he's throwing under control...he's got solid potential. Definitely one of his better games.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2009, 08:45 PM
One more to go. Outfielders may be having some trouble with the outfield sun/shade situation.

It was right about that time of the game when the wind started gusting like CRAZY in from left field towards the plate. It was playing havoc with the ball out there. That's why that hit fell in between Dickerson & Taveras, the wind just killed it. It was hardly blowing at all prior to that inning.

Razor Shines
04-19-2009, 09:02 PM
I just got home from the game, and after reading just the first few pages...I'm kinda glad I went and didn't subject myself to the game thread. Cincrazy is spot on guys. The pessimism and giving up and calling it quits is getting really tiresome.

While Edinson certainly didn't have his best stuff in terms of control, he still pitched a fine game. The bullpen delivered yet again (despite the usual shaky inning from Stormy & Coco). The bats, while not potent and obviously struggling, did enough to provide the runs.

There are days that I think if the Reds were scoring 5-6 runs a game and getting excellent starts, this game thread would STILL be doom & gloom. Despite our starters not being sharp yet, despite the occasional glitch defensively, despite several of our hitters struggling at the plate....this team is STILL above .500 and a game out of first place. Doesn't it show you guys something about this team that even with all that stuff...they're still managing to figure out how to win games? Once things DO sort themselves out... :O)

I just watched the game on DVR and read through the game thread as I watched. I agreed with a lot of what was said. The Reds did win, but they didn't look very good doing it. Volquez had a decent outing; too many walks, could have ended worse than it did for him. Owings seemed to be the only real bright spot on offense.

I'm thrilled that they won. Maybe they can go through a season pulling games out of their collective butts like today and finish above .500. We'll see I suppose.

Razor Shines
04-19-2009, 09:06 PM
As good as Joey was last week, he's been as bad this week.

.318/.400/.455 this week. I guess Sunday is the beginning of a new week so if you meant "this week" as in one game, then yeah, you're spot on.

PuffyPig
04-19-2009, 09:22 PM
.318/.400/.455 this week. I guess Sunday is the beginning of a new week so if you meant "this week" as in one game, then yeah, you're spot on.


FCB never let facts get in the way of a negative Red's comment.....

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2009, 09:33 PM
I agree that they looked sloppy today. I agree that the offense has looked bad. But the thing I'm talking about is the fact that people in this thread seem to think that's going to be a constant all season long. I mean, come ON.

How many here really think Phillips is going to hit .176 for the season?
Or Hernandez? Or Bruce? Or Edwin? Or Dickerson, Hairston & Agon? Of that bunch, Dickerson has the highest BA right now at .217. Does the offense look bad right now, HECK YES! But I'd say that several players in early slumps is a very logical reason. I don't think anyone here is dumb enough to think that those players aren't going to improve...DRAMATICALLY....over the course of the season. Just like Joey's due to come back down to earth, the rest of the club is going to get going.

How about this for doom & gloom. Everybody's been VERY happy with Joey's performance so far...and rightly so. But everyone's also been just as equally blasting Bruce's struggles at the plate. Most notably his penchant for striking out. How about this stat...34 ab's in...Bruce has 10 k's. 43 ab's in, and Vottomatic has 12. Bruce isn't being patient at the plate either apparently. Well, he's drawn 3 walks to Vottos....FOUR.

I'm not slamming Votto here, or over-praising Bruce. Just trying to say that this game thread needs to put things into proper perspective and not jumping off a freaking cliff everytime something non-optimal happens.

Like when Brandon hits into a double play...he had a poor year in regards to that stat back in '07 when he grounded into 26 of them. But he only hit into 13 "brandon's" last season. This season, he's hit into a whopping...TWO. But it's Brandon, so of course he's regressed back into his old style of hitting into DP's every at bat. The kid's drawn 9 walks already this year when he's only been getting 30 or so every year for the past 3. I don't care that his average is low right now because he's driving the ball hard when he hits it and he's being MUCH more patient at the plate...but hit one DP ball...all those steps forward are erased for one step backwards. And of course it's all Dusty's fault for batting him in the wrong place in the order. *sigh*

Same goes for Edwin. He's gotten 11 walks already and is showing the willingness to hit the ball the other way or at least up the middle instead of always trying to pull the ball. Sure, his average is low right now, but he's driving the ball hard as well...just finding leather instead of open grass unfortunately. But if he makes a throwing error...good grief...he should be demoted to the minors, or benched. Despite all the worries...he's only made ONE error this season. I'm still concerned about his defense just like everyone else, just not going to go crazy over ONE.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. It's just that this sort of thing has really been bugging me lately about the game threads. And I'd hate to see the game threads shut down because I really do enjoy reading the PbP's and the comments from fans who get to watch every game (unlike some of us who are stuck with just listening). I'd just love to see more PbP and less debbie downers. Okay, I'm done. :O)

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 10:14 PM
.318/.400/.455 this week. I guess Sunday is the beginning of a new week so if you meant "this week" as in one game, then yeah, you're spot on.

Last five games he's had two doubles, no homers, and two walks. He's not been horrible I guess, but he's had a fair size drop off. Admittedly, he had far to fall.

Not ultimately worried about him.

cincrazy
04-19-2009, 10:27 PM
Exactly right Puffy. I wasn't home today, but just read through the thread. Had I not already known the score, I definitely would have thought the Reds got pounded.

I can only speak for myself, but some of the exchanges in this thread are really not acceptable. The lack of respect shown to one another and the unreasonable desire to be "right", simply make it impossible to enjoy.

I won't call anyone out today, but can tell you that the back and forth banter that went on over a couple of subjects is not acceptable and only brings down the spirit of the game threads.

#5 from the rules states that:
"Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines" will not be tolerated.

General nuisance is generic enough to start giving some of you some unexpected vacations from the game thread. We are less than a dozen games into the year. It's time some of you made some fast changes.

Just my two cents. Thanks for reading.

Exactly right.

We could be up 10-0 with 2 outs in the 9th and walk someone and you'd inevitably hear whoever the pitcher is get torched as unworthy and a piece of crap that Dusty and Jocketty should have known better than to bring aboard.

We are 6-5. We are 4-2 on a very, very tough opening season road trip. Call me crazy, but I'll take that.

PuffyPig
04-19-2009, 10:47 PM
Last five games he's had two doubles, no homers, and two walks. He's not been horrible I guess, but he's had a fair size drop off. Admittedly, he had far to fall.



He's also had 5 singles during those 5 games, and they also count.

I'm not sure what I would call a .901 OPS over a 5 game period, but "horrible" isn't it. Nothing wrong with a .428 OBA.

Complaining about an .901 OPS over a 5 day period for any player is exactly what these comments refer to.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 11:00 PM
He's also had 5 singles during those 5 games, and they also count.

I'm not sure what I would call a .901 OPS over a 5 game period, but "horrible" isn't it. Nothing wrong with a .428 OBA.

Complaining about an .901 OPS over a 5 day period for any player is exactly what these comments refer to.

Since the start of the road trip, Joey's OB .360 and SLG .390. Don't know where you're getting your numbers. My point still stands. He was great, he's been mediocre on this road trip. I'm not worried overall.

Strikes me as calling it correctly on my part. But you're pretty well ready to tear into me no matter what I say, observation or whatever. You join the ranks I suppose of Felix or whoever, who called me a troll in this thread.

Razor Shines
04-19-2009, 11:50 PM
Had to redo my post because I left today's game out of the raodtrip.

Anyway going into today's game Joey had put up this line on the road trip: .368/.429/.474. So he hasn't looked bad this "week" as you said. He's looked bad for 1 game in the last week. He had an 0fer last Sunday as well, so he's had exactly two bad games out of 11. So this:

As good as Joey was last week, he's been as bad this week.
doesn't seem accurate.

PuffyPig
04-20-2009, 12:02 AM
Since the start of the road trip, Joey's OB .360 and SLG .390. Don't know where you're getting your numbers. My point still stands. He was great, he's been mediocre on this road trip. I'm not worried overall.

Strikes me as calling it correctly on my part. But you're pretty well ready to tear into me no matter what I say, observation or whatever. You join the ranks I suppose of Felix or whoever, who called me a troll in this thread.

That's a pretty good club to belong to.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 12:08 AM
I think we should stick to discussing the Reds instead of picking on one person or another. While some people complain about cherry picking stats...some in this thread tend to cherry pick posts. FCB was far from "all negative" in this thread. He had some very astute and POSITIVE observations in it. Personality clashes aside, that sort of stuff belongs in PM's don't you all think?

jojo
04-20-2009, 12:10 AM
The odds of the ORG having a gamethread in June don't look good right now.

_Sir_Charles_
04-20-2009, 12:14 AM
The odds of the ORG having a gamethread in June don't look good right now.

Exactly. Let's try to keep things civil.