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Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 12:45 PM
Lineups from Fay:


Reds:

Willy Taveras cf

Chris Dickerson lf

Joey Votto 1b

Brandon Phillips 2b

Edwin Encarnacion 3b

Laynce Nix rf

Ramon Hernandez c

Alex Gonzalez ss

Edinson Volquez p

Astros:

Michael Bourn cf

Miguel Tejada ss

Lance Berkman 1b

Carlos Lee lf

Hunter Pence rf

Geoff Blum 3b

Jason Smith 2b

Humberto Quintero c

Felipe Paulino p

Volquez was 2-0 with a 1.23 against the Astros last year. Only Phillips, Encarnacion and Votto have faced Paulino. Phillips and Votto were 1-for-3, EE 0-for-3.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 02:39 PM
Paulino is a guy the Reds *should* rock, but you never know with this offense.

alloverjr
04-19-2009, 02:45 PM
I'd really like for Hannigan to get some more starts. Frankly I think he's the better all around catcher.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 02:46 PM
Paulino is a guy the Reds *should* rock, but you never know with this offense.

Yeah, OBM, but I can't see this offense "rocking" anyone this year. I just hope we win.

wheels
04-19-2009, 02:47 PM
I'd really like for Hannigan to get some more starts. Frankly I think he's the better all around catcher.

I agree, and the same can be said about Dickerson.

I'd be willing to bet that by the end of the year, both will be regarded as the starter at each position.

It's just too obvious, and I always feel better about the club when they're on the field.

JaxRed
04-19-2009, 02:52 PM
I was hoping for Hanigan also, but I was REALLY hoping to see Janish.

SirFelixCat
04-19-2009, 03:05 PM
Hoping for Janish and Hanigan, but oh well.

Go Reds!

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:07 PM
Taveras singles to center.

11larkin11
04-19-2009, 03:07 PM
Taveras with the high socks!! I like it.

And it gets him a basehit

nate
04-19-2009, 03:07 PM
Chat is totally open.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:07 PM
Dickerson is hit by the pitch. 1st and 2nd.

nate
04-19-2009, 03:07 PM
Taveras with the high socks!! I like it.

And it gets him a basehit

High socks = base knocks!

mth123
04-19-2009, 03:08 PM
Prediction: Dickerson is the man inthis game. Lets start now.

See. A clutch HBP

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:08 PM
Promising start to the inning. Reds need to capitalize.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:09 PM
Votto strikes out swinging.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:11 PM
Awful.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:11 PM
Phillips grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. A good scoring chance is blown. 0-0 mid 1st.

Blitz Dorsey
04-19-2009, 03:11 PM
A BP DP... the most predictable play in baseball.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 03:11 PM
a BP ends the inning

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 03:12 PM
Gotta love Brandon Phillips in the cleanup spot. They'll never learn.

First and second with nobody out against an awful pitcher... and they don't score.

mbgrayson
04-19-2009, 03:12 PM
Brandon grounds into a 4-6 3 Phillips...

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:14 PM
Here's what is equally as nauseating, in my view:

That Taveras and Dickerson were still on first and second as that at-bat unfolded. With that speed, and Phillips' propenisty for doing what he just did, they should have tried to steal to start that at-bat...

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:14 PM
Fantastic diving catch by Taveras!

nate
04-19-2009, 03:14 PM
Nice D by Willy T!

dougdirt
04-19-2009, 03:14 PM
I am coming around on Taveras... not going to lie.

mth123
04-19-2009, 03:15 PM
Small Ball my arse. With Taveras and Dickerson on base, if there is ever a time to be running its with Brandon Phillips up and less than two outs. You know he'll swing at anything and protect the runners. If your going to get small ball guys, then let them do what they do. If your playing for 3 run homers, these ain't the right guys.

mth123
04-19-2009, 03:15 PM
mem beat me to it.

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:16 PM
mth is singing from the same song book I am...mth, it is driving me crazy, absolutely crazy, that they are not actually embracing that which they have paid lip service to...

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:16 PM
Should have been an easy ground out by the throw from Votto to Volquez goes right off Volquez's glove.

RedsManRick
04-19-2009, 03:16 PM
Reds baseball at its finest. Bouncer to Votto, who tosses it slightly behind Volquez, who drops the ball as he reaches for 1st...

mbgrayson
04-19-2009, 03:19 PM
TV showed an older guy in a Berkman uniform angrily jerk the foul ball away from a kid. Nice...:(

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:19 PM
Berkman walks. 1st and 2nd.

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:20 PM
Another at-bat where Volquez was up in the count (1-2) and then issued the walk.

dougdirt
04-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Unreal.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Lee lines out to Dickerson but as they try to double off the runner at 2nd the throw gets away from Phillips and Tejada moves to 3rd. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 03:22 PM
Might s well have it all implode now.......seriously.....this looks like a joke team who believed the hype about themselves during ST.

You all 'aint that good.....and Volquez you are not Pedro Jr...or Jose Jr...either.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 03:22 PM
I've already turned the channel. I'll just follow via the game thread. Only in the first inning but we've already seen the Reds blow a great scoring opportunity, and now they commit an error on a routine play that will probably lead to a big inning.

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:22 PM
Gah.

0-2 pitch lined to LF. Dickerson catches it. Two outs.

But then Dickerson throws to 2nd trying to double up the runner, and Phillips doesn't catch the ball. The runner moves to third base. The E given to Dickerson, but it should have been given to Phillips in my estimation.

Runners first and third, two outs.

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Grounder to 3b, and EE gets the force at 2b.

0-0 after one inning.

Two reds errors to start the game...

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Pence grounds into a 5-4 FC so the Reds get out of a mess the defense created. 0-0 after 1.

mbgrayson
04-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Pence bounces to EE, who throw the runner out at 2nd. No score.

cincrazy
04-19-2009, 03:24 PM
And yet again, despite the white flag being waved on Redszone, the Reds get out of it without allowing any runs.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:24 PM
Anybody else in the Cincy area with Time Warner having trouble with their Fox Sports feed?

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 03:26 PM
You have this team playing so lazily and pathetically. I do not care that they are .500....they still look bad.

You go to the minors......and there you see most, if not all of the top prospects looking really bad.

I can't wait for the Bengals to draft a WR in the first round to top off this month.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:26 PM
Edwin strikes out looking.1out.

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:26 PM
Paulino throws one 96 mph on the black on the outside corner to K EE to start the Reds' second.

One out.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:27 PM
Nix doubles to left center.

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:27 PM
Nix doubles to left center.

Ramon H up.

JaxRed
04-19-2009, 03:30 PM
"The E given to Dickerson, but it should have been given to Phillips in my estimation.'

Agreed.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:30 PM
Paulino throws 96 and fans here are calling him a terrible pitcher?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:30 PM
Hernandez strikes out looking.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:31 PM
Hernandez gets a 2-1 fastball thigh-high, over the heart of the plate but he only fouls it back. Those are the pitches this team just can't miss.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 03:32 PM
Paulino throws 96 and fans here are calling him a terrible pitcher?

Lots of guys can throw 96. There's more to pitching than throwing 96 mph.

Paulino is nothing special.

cincrazy
04-19-2009, 03:33 PM
Lots of guys can throw 96.

Paulino is nothing special.

I don't know about that. This guy is reaching 99 on the radar gun. His stats may not be impressive, but the guy has sick stuff.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:33 PM
Gonzalez strikes out swinging. Already 4 Ks for Paulino. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:33 PM
Lots of guys can throw 96.

Paulino is nothing special.

Yeah, lots of starters throw 96. The Reds have had only one of those in 20 seasons.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 03:34 PM
Yeah, lots of starters throw 96. The Reds have had only one of those in 20 seasons.

Johnny Cueto. Edinson Volquez.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:35 PM
I'm not sure why some fans have previously left the Game Thread early to catch an episode of Lost. You get the same thing watching half this Reds' line-up.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:35 PM
Johnny Cueto. Edinson Volquez.

Volquez with regularity. Cueto maybe once or twice a game if he's lucky.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 03:37 PM
Volquez with regularity. Cueto maybe once or twice a game if he's lucky.

Yeah, if he's lucky. :rolleyes:

Sigh. We've been through this before and I think we all know who won. ;) You still owe every Redszoner a drink. ;)

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:37 PM
Blum strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Gallen5862
04-19-2009, 03:38 PM
Let's get some runs reds. What inning is it?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:39 PM
Smith strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:39 PM
Let's get some runs reds. What inning is it?
bottom 2nd

RedsManRick
04-19-2009, 03:40 PM
Marty and Brantley are reveling in being Luddites. From their mouths to Jocketty's ears...

Gallen5862
04-19-2009, 03:40 PM
Thanks Reds Fanatic.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:40 PM
Quintero grounds out to 1st. 0-0 after 2.

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 03:41 PM
Brantley: "While you guys have been talking, Volquez has been getting into a rhythm ..."

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:41 PM
Marty and Brantley are reveling in being Luddites. From their mouths to Jocketty's ears...

RMR: What are they saying?

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:41 PM
Good first time through the lineup for Volquez; keeping his pitches down well so far. Houston's swinging at some stuff out of the zone, however.

nate
04-19-2009, 03:43 PM
Chat remains open!

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:43 PM
Houston's swinging at some stuff out of the zone, however.

Testament to the silly movement on his pitches.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:43 PM
Volquez strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Paulino.

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 03:44 PM
Marty and Brantley are reveling in being Luddites. From their mouths to Jocketty's ears...

That dang radio box will never amount to anything.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:45 PM
Bourn makes a great diving catch. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:48 PM
Dickerson strikes out swinging. 6 Ks for Paulino. 0-0 mid 3rd.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 03:48 PM
Felipe Paulino has 6 K's through 3 IP. Felipe Paulino, folks.

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 03:50 PM
It's not like Marty and Hal have to use Facebook or Twitter if they don't want to, but acting like it's a threat to their manhood may be more revealing than they think.

NC Reds
04-19-2009, 03:50 PM
Reds baseball facilitated a pretty good afternoon nap for me. I didn't miss a thing either.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:50 PM
Felipe Paulino has 6 K's through 3 IP. Felipe Paulino, folks.

I dunno, man. Paulino looks to have some really good stuff to me.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:50 PM
Paulino strikes out swinging. 3 Ks for Volquez.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:51 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is how you pitch to an opposing pitcher when you possess a 96 MPH fastball.

CrackerJack
04-19-2009, 03:52 PM
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Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:52 PM
I dunno, man. Paulino looks to have some really good stuff to me.

If he ain't a Reds' pitcher, forget it; he's chopped liver.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:52 PM
Bourn lines a single to center.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:54 PM
Tejada lines a single off the wall in left center. 1-0 Astros.

reds44
04-19-2009, 03:54 PM
Who the hell is Felipe Paulino?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:55 PM
Berkman singles to right. 1st and 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 03:55 PM
Glad to see Hernandez is still calling for plenty of curveballs from Volquez despite that being his worst pitch.

I'm ready for Hanigan.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 03:56 PM
Who the hell is Felipe Paulino?its the Reds

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:56 PM
Volquez comes unraveled, just like that.

reds44
04-19-2009, 03:56 PM
You really going to blame the catcher for Volquez struggling? Really?

membengal
04-19-2009, 03:57 PM
Alright, just looked up Felipe Paulino in the BP 2009 Annual and it says this about the 25-year-old:


"Paulino faced four batters in 2008 and then became an episode of House, presenting with a pinched nerve, then elbow tightness, and then shoulder busitis. He never pitched again. Before his arm trouble, his fastball could hit 100 mph, although it tended to come in flat and high....After his arm trouble, werll, who knows how hard he'll throw? He didn't pitch this winter, but the Astros believe he'll be fine for the spring."

As a 22-year old in high A ball, Paulino Kd 91 in 126 innings (26 games started)

As a 23-year-old in AA, Paulino Kd 110 in 112 innings (21 games started).

His 2008 season was a lost cause to injuries as BP outlines.

I wouldn't call him trash, OBM. I also don't think the Reds are scaring anyone from the plate at this point, either.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 03:57 PM
A 4 pitch walk to Lee. Base loaded.

OUReds
04-19-2009, 03:57 PM
Between the first inning yesterday and some plays today, I keep thinking that Gonzalez's range is looking positively Keppingeresque. Am I being too hard on him?

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 03:58 PM
Does Volquez have options?

flyer85
04-19-2009, 03:59 PM
pence looked like a Red on that 1-1 pitch

Screwball
04-19-2009, 03:59 PM
Yikes, Volquez can't find the plate now. This could be serious trouble.

reds44
04-19-2009, 04:00 PM
Does Volquez have options?
Srsly? Just stop.

JaxRed
04-19-2009, 04:00 PM
Between the first inning yesterday and some plays today, I keep thinking that Gonzalez's range is looking positively Keppingeresque. Am I being too hard on him?

OK, I'm not alone, he looked like a statue on that hard hit Bourne ball.

SirFelixCat
04-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Nice 3-2 change to get "The Fish". 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Pence strikes out swinging on a nice changeup. 2 outs.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Volquez threw 5 balls to Pence ... and struck him out

Kc61
04-19-2009, 04:01 PM
You really going to blame the catcher for Volquez struggling? Really?

Actually, it's Bako's fault. Or is that David Ross?

OUReds
04-19-2009, 04:01 PM
OK, I'm not alone, he looked like a statue on that hard hit Bourne ball.

Exactly

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:01 PM
Blum pops out to 3rd. 1-0 Astros after 3.

reds44
04-19-2009, 04:02 PM
Pence swung 2 days earlier at the changeup.

SirFelixCat
04-19-2009, 04:02 PM
First pitch pop up to EdE. Got out of it w/ 1 run. Nice recovery.

reds44
04-19-2009, 04:02 PM
Yeah, Volquez became "unraveled" and gave up a run.

Send him to AAA.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 04:02 PM
Pence is the Stros version of Phillips. He'll get some hits and Hrs but he will get himself out if you need him to in a big AB

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:03 PM
Srsly? Just stop.

Yes, seriously? Do you want to keep subjecting the kid to these long, laborsome innings, just so you can burn up his arm?

It's a lost season. Masset should hold the spot till Volquez finds his groove again. He's just going to get injured throwing these 30-40 pitch innings.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Volquez got some help from Pence, but he did a great job to limit the damage there even though he pretty much lost his control.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Votto flies out to left. 1 out.

mbgrayson
04-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Yes, seriously? Do you want to keep subjecting the kid to these long, laborsome innings, just so you can burn up his arm?

It's a lost season. Masset should hold the spot till Volquez finds his groove again. He's just going to get injured throwing these 30-40 pitch innings.
Volquez has thrown 53 pitches through three innings.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Volquez much better today than in his previous start.

Meanwhile, 21 innings, 20 goose eggs for the offense.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:05 PM
Volquez has thrown 53 pitches through three innings.

I was referring specifically to his last start where he was left in to labor badly through his last two innings.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:06 PM
Phillips grounds out to short. 2 outs.

11larkin11
04-19-2009, 04:06 PM
Phillips tries to GIDP but theres no one on so its a routine GO

reds44
04-19-2009, 04:06 PM
Yes, seriously? Do you want to keep subjecting the kid to these long, laborsome innings, just so you can burn up his arm?

It's a lost season. Masset should hold the spot till Volquez finds his groove again. He's just going to get injured throwing these 30-40 pitch innings.
I'm not even going to give this a response because it doesn't deserve one.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:07 PM
I'm not even going to give this a response because it doesn't deserve one.

That's the spirit.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 04:07 PM
Reds keep swinging at balls ... 4 balls to EE but the count is 2-2

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 04:07 PM
The Reds are one Ramon Hernandez swing away from being shutout in the first three games of this series.

mbgrayson
04-19-2009, 04:09 PM
Good at bat by EE. 9 pitch at bat with a BB.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:09 PM
Encarnacion walks. His 11th walk this year.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:09 PM
Solid at-bat from Edwin to work the walk.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 04:09 PM
Somehow Grande is under the impression EdE has never been a guy to take a walk until this year.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:10 PM
Nix lines a single to center. His 2nd hit of the day. 1st and 3rd.

reds44
04-19-2009, 04:11 PM
Somehow Grande is under the impression EdE has never been a guy to take a walk until this year.
Everybody has been saying that. Granted, he's walking more, but IIRC he has like an .080 point BA/OB split for his career.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 04:11 PM
Nice to see Nix with a nok.

He's swinging pretty well (vs righties).

nate
04-19-2009, 04:11 PM
Yes, seriously? Do you want to keep subjecting the kid to these long, laborsome innings, just so you can burn up his arm?

It's a lost season. Masset should hold the spot till Volquez finds his groove again. He's just going to get injured throwing these 30-40 pitch innings.

It's April.

April.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:12 PM
Hernandez grounds out to 1st. 1-0 Astros mid 4th.

CrackerJack
04-19-2009, 04:12 PM
Weak AB for Hernandez..again

Kc61
04-19-2009, 04:12 PM
Encarnacion walks. His 11th walk this year.

Now all he needs is to get his batting average up to, say, .170.

Not that EE's the only one with that problem on this team.

mbgrayson
04-19-2009, 04:12 PM
Paulino at 70 pitches through four innings pitched.
Volquez at 53 pitches through three innings pitched.

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:14 PM
Now all he needs is to get his batting average up to, say, .170.

Not that EE's the only one with that problem on this team.

At least he's on base in the midst of his slump. That's a good thing, you would agree, right? Certainly he WANTS to get hits, they all do, I am sure. But if they swing at everything, getting rid of the walks that seem to annoy you so, do you think that their average will really rebound? Because I don't.

SirFelixCat
04-19-2009, 04:16 PM
Why do people respond to FCB's posts? He does it to rile people up, no more no less. He's simply a troll that stays longer than most. You can't be this negative about everything Reds, and I mean EVERYTHING and be considered anything other than a troll.


That said, this offense, while patient, is really sad to watch. BP needs to move from that #4 slot, but I'm not sure we have anyone that can step in. Sad, sad state of affairs on offense, imo.

jojo
04-19-2009, 04:16 PM
boy if a pitcher is sick, these teams are the medicine right now....

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:16 PM
I think a bit of perspective is in order here: the Astros have sent out Oswalt, W. Rodriguez (the most underrated starter in the NL Central, if not the NL), and a guy who is throwing 96-97 on the black with utter regularity. This offense is mediocre at best, but the 2004 Red Sox would have had their hands full with this trio.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:17 PM
Smith strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Volquez.

VR
04-19-2009, 04:17 PM
just tuned in for the top of the 4th. I've seen players lost at the plate before. But Brandon Phillips has reached all new levels. He is intent on yanking every pitch down the left field line. He's got a slow pitch softball hitch in his pre-swing that is out of control. That grounder to short was 6 inches outside.

This offense is in big need of a boost.....I start w/ moving BP into the 6th or 7the hole until he locates right field.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:17 PM
Quintero grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 04:18 PM
Encouraging to see Volquez throw so well today. Much better control than the last two times.

jojo
04-19-2009, 04:19 PM
I think a bit of perspective is in order here: the Astros have sent out Oswalt, W. Rodriguez (the most underrated starter in the NL Central, if not the NL), and a guy who is throwing 96-97 on the black with utter regularity. This offense is mediocre at best, but the 2004 Red Sox would have had their hands full with this trio.

The Reds offense is ranked 27th by R/G through the first ten games of the season...... 3.8 R/G....ouch.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:20 PM
The Reds offense is ranked 27th by R/G through the first ten games of the season...... 3.8 R/G....ouch.

Sure. They're bad. But they're not this bad.

And it's 10 games.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 04:20 PM
This offense is in big need of a boost.they have too many hackers. Reds hitters swing at way too many balls all the way through the linuep

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:20 PM
Paulino lines a single to right.

flyer85
04-19-2009, 04:20 PM
Sure. They're bad. But they're not this bad.

And it's 10 games.we'll see

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:20 PM
Paulino with 1/3 as many hits as the Reds.

OUReds
04-19-2009, 04:21 PM
Sure. They're bad. But they're not this bad.

And it's 10 games.

mmmmmm .... I think what we've seen is pretty much our lot this season.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:22 PM
Bourn strikes out swinging. 6 Ks for Volquez. 1-0 Astros after 4.

reds44
04-19-2009, 04:22 PM
Send him to AAA.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:22 PM
6 Ks through 4 IP (vs. just 2 walks) for Volquez. Quietly having himself a solid game.

jojo
04-19-2009, 04:23 PM
Sure. They're bad. But they're not this bad.

And it's 10 games.

It's fair point-they'll be better. But it's a below average group.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:24 PM
mmmmmm .... I think what we've seen is pretty much our lot this season.

Trust me, I've heard this over and over and over. I get it. This ain't the 2004 Red Sox. Really, I get it.

Good thing is, they don't have to be. If the pitching is half of what the press and this board claimed it would be, then they won't need a 3-4-5 of Ramirez, Bonds, Thome to remain in the hunt.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:25 PM
Gonzalez flies out to the warning track in right center.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:26 PM
Volquez grounds out to the pitcher. 2 outs.

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:27 PM
What do the Reds have to see to give Paul Janish some legit at-bats at SS?

Gallen5862
04-19-2009, 04:27 PM
Thanks for the pbp Reds Fanatic.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:28 PM
What do the Reds have to see to give Paul Janish some legit at-bats at SS?

This is my big beef right now. Guys getting playing time because they have a contract (cf. Griffey).

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:28 PM
Taveras walks.

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:28 PM
Taveras walks. Run, Willy. Run. Run right away. Run.

OUReds
04-19-2009, 04:28 PM
Trust me, I've heard this over and over and over. I get it. This ain't the 2004 Red Sox. Really, I get it.

Good thing is, they don't have to be. If the pitching is half of what the press and this board claimed it would be, then they won't need a 3-4-5 of Ramirez, Bonds, Thome to remain in the hunt.

I'm the guy who wrote this (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1801399#post1801399) post.

I'm not anticipating any meaningful baseball past June. In fairness though, I'm not even sure they are the 2008 Padres.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:28 PM
On a side note, I've thought the ump has a good sense of the strike zone today. Gameday agrees as well.

JaxRed
04-19-2009, 04:30 PM
Thsis game is an example of why players love Dusty. Alex and Ramon should have been given the day off. Day game after a night game and a Sunday. Instead he shows his faith in them. Players love him. Only trouble is..... it hurts the team.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:30 PM
Dickerson grounds out to 2nd. 1-0 Astros mid 5th.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:30 PM
Paulino with 85 pitches after 5.

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:31 PM
Willy T does not try and run.

Why, Reds? Why?

jojo
04-19-2009, 04:31 PM
Janish isn't a major league quality hitter.

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 04:31 PM
What do the Reds have to see to give Paul Janish some legit at-bats at SS?

I am really worried about Gonzo too but I think many people on this board underestimate how bad of a hitter Paul Janish is.

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:31 PM
What are the two games that Janish has started this year? Game three against the Mets, and, which other one? I know they hit in the Mets game...

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:32 PM
Willy T does not try and run.

Why, Reds? Why?

What's amazing is that Grande mentioned a stat that Willy T tries to steal 2nd 54% of the time he's on 1st for his career. This year I'd say it's closer to 10%.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:32 PM
Don't blame me: I voted for Bailey for Dye.

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:33 PM
Janish is still an unknown as a major league hitter. He showed enough pop in the spring to make me curious about whether he might be an asset getting more than one start a week at SS...at this point, given Alex G's struggles, I am more than just a little curious about it.

Kc61
04-19-2009, 04:33 PM
Thsis game is an example of why players love Dusty. Alex and Ramon should have been given the day off. Day game after a night game and a Sunday. Instead he shows his faith in them. Players love him. Only trouble is..... it hurts the team.

I think Dusty wanted Hernandez catching V. Tomorrow, with Arroyo on the mound, I think we'll see the Janish/Hanigan tandem.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:33 PM
Tejada grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Strikes Out Looking
04-19-2009, 04:34 PM
I am really worried about Gonzo too but I think many people on this board underestimate how bad of a hitter Paul Janish is.

What would the consensus have been on Davey C. in 1970? I think Janish has the ability to grow into the job.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:35 PM
Janish is still an unknown as a major league hitter. He showed enough pop in the spring to make me curious about whether he might be an asset getting more than one start a week at SS...at this point, given Alex G's struggles, I am more than just a little curious about it.

The thing is, whatever we think of Gonzalez, the likelihood of him playing anywhere near a whole season is very low; might as well see what the team has in Janish. At least he can field better than AGon.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:36 PM
Berkman walks.

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:36 PM
I think Dusty wanted Hernandez catching V. Tomorrow, with Arroyo on the mound, I think we'll see the Janish/Hanigan tandem.

Where is it written Hanigan cannot start two games in a row?

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:37 PM
Reds' scouting report on Berkman: just walk him.

SMcGavin
04-19-2009, 04:38 PM
What would the consensus have been on Davey C. in 1970? I think Janish has the ability to grow into the job.

I have no idea what people thought about Concepcion. I do know that Paul Janish has a sub-700 career OPS at both AA and AAA, and I know he's accumulated close to 100 major league at-bats now and has a .195/.271/.264 line.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:40 PM
After being ahead of Lee with a 1-2 count he walks Lee. 1st and 2nd.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:41 PM
4 1/3 innings: 87 pitches.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:42 PM
When Volquez misses the plate, he seems to miss badly. I suppose that's better than grooving it right down the middle though.

MississippiRed
04-19-2009, 04:42 PM
Reds' scouting report on Berkman: just walk him.

Appears to be the same for Lee. Reminds me of the Seattle Pilots' pitchers' meeting before playing the Yankees in 1969. After six straight "pitch around him's," Bouton asked, "So we're supposed to start with three runs in and the bases loaded?"

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 04:44 PM
Everytime Volquez gets ahead of a hitter, he tries to put them away with a curveball and ends up going deep in the count. Use your strikeout pitches (fastball, changeup) in those situations.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 04:44 PM
Concepcion was no bigger than Calissa Flockhart when he came up....so i would say janish and even castro would have been viewed as better options to hit.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:45 PM
Pence walks. Volquez was again ahead of the count but ends up walking him. Bases loaded.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:46 PM
Nightmare... 3 straight walks. Still just 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 04:47 PM
He did it again. Ahead in the count, then tried to bury Pence with a breaking ball instead of going with his two plus pitches. I don't get it.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:47 PM
Volquez was getting hitters to help him out in the early innings. Now they're just watching his wild stuff go by. Just as I thought would happen.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:47 PM
That 0-2 pitch looked good.

reds44
04-19-2009, 04:48 PM
Oh Brandon Phillips, how I love thee.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:48 PM
Blum grounds into a 4-3 DP. 1-0 Astros after 5.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:48 PM
Woo-hoo! Nifty 4-3 DP ends the inning!

BCubb2003
04-19-2009, 04:48 PM
No worries.

joshnky
04-19-2009, 04:49 PM
Oh Brandon Phillips, how I love thee.

Now he'll hit into another double play.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:49 PM
28 pitch inning?

VR
04-19-2009, 04:49 PM
Merry, Merry, Merry Christmas Reds and EV. Now open your gifts and party.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Not a lot of 2B can make that play. Very nice.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Volquez at 98 pitches after 5. My guess is he comes back out to face the bottom of the Astros' order.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Joe West is one lazy umpire.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Volquez is pitching in luck today. It would be interesting to see if he actually tagged the runner, BUT it was a great play and bailed out Edinson.

BTW, Volquez at 98 pitches. Massett time.

NC Reds
04-19-2009, 04:50 PM
Phillips missed that tag by a foot or so.

CrackerJack
04-19-2009, 04:51 PM
Now he'll hit into another double play.

As frustrating as he is at the plate anymore, he's obviously not a #4 hitter and he has no protection in this lineup, and is seeing a lot fewer good pitches. And lord know he's a guy who needs to see a lot of good pitches if his bat is going to be worthwhile.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:51 PM
Votto hit it hard but lines out to left. 1 out.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:52 PM
Lee somehow with a great running catch to rob Votto of a double.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:52 PM
How are you going to hit 94 MPH on the outer part of the plate, trying to pull it?

joshnky
04-19-2009, 04:53 PM
As frustrating as he is at the plate anymore, he's obviously not a #4 hitter and he has no protection in this lineup, and is seeing a lot fewer good pitches. And lord know he's a guy who needs to see a lot of good pitches if his bat is going to be worthwhile.

Who in this lineup doesn't need protection?

VR
04-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Not a lot of 2B can make that play. Very nice.

Brandon Phillips included in that list. Missed him by a foot. Maybe the ump was giving him respect for the GG. :cool:

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Phillips missed that tag by a foot or so.

Haha, yep.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Reds with 2 runs and 12 hits in 23 plus innings in this series.

Boy did Phillips miss that tag.
Wow how lucky can you get?

membengal
04-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Reds can't catch a break when they do hit a ball solidly.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Phillips lines out to short. 2 outs.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Reds' 6th so far: 2 liners, 2 outs.

CrackerJack
04-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Who in this lineup doesn't need protection?

Not really the point but whatever.

VR
04-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Maybe Brandon knows someone in the 3B dugout.

Cause that's where he's looking after every swing.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Reds can't catch a break when they do hit a ball solidly.

A hit correction is due big time for this team.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Edwin grounds out to 3rd. 1-0 Astros mid 6th.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 04:55 PM
Wow, what a lackluster swing by Encarnacion. Excuse me but...oh shoot, I hit it.

This offense is a mess.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2009, 04:55 PM
Two runs in 24 innings against the Houston Astros. Wow.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 04:56 PM
A hit correction is due big time for this team.

Yeah, I think it was RMR that noted they're a good 60 points below their expected BABIP.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:57 PM
Smith bunts and grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:58 PM
Quintero grounds out to Volquez. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 04:59 PM
Erstad hitting for Paulino

flyer85
04-19-2009, 04:59 PM
poor hitters hitting poorly(Votto excepted) ... I'm shocked

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 04:59 PM
At least the Reds get to face their pen for three innings. So there's still a chance.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:00 PM
Erstad strikes out swinging on a 97 MPH fastball. 1-0 Astros after 6.

NC Reds
04-19-2009, 05:00 PM
This is like watching Holland versus Chinese Taipei or something. One run is a big deal.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:01 PM
Volquez: 6 IP, 104 pitches, 7 K, 5 BB, 4 H, 1 ER. ERA down to 6.46.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:02 PM
EV, for all the complaining, has turned in a 6-inning, 1 run effort. 7 Ks. 5 BBs.

By the way, since there seems to some myopia that ONLY reds struggle or have less than ideal command, AJ Burnett walked seven Clevelanders today in his outing, striking out only two. In Burnett's favor, like Volquez's, he limited the damage, keeping the Yankees in it.

As much as I want to see Volquez roll through and dominate front to back in these starts (and Cueto, etc.), I am pleased the Volquez fought through and turned in such a good effort.

The Reds simply need to stop their silliness and get some runs. This is ridiculous.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:02 PM
Tim Brydak in to pitch

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:03 PM
Tim Byrdak looks a little bit like Harry Shearer.

Tony Cloninger
04-19-2009, 05:03 PM
I just watched the 1972 WS highlights and watching Bobby Tolan misplay a ball in the first for a run....... Morgan hit a sure triple down the RF line in the 8th but having Rose get held up almost halfway home...and blowing the chance to tie the game beacuse of it. Not to mention the out of nowhere hamstring pull that Tolan suffers to let 2 runs in..... well it does not make me feel any better...but it just shows that even great teams can look as bad as this team does...sometimes.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:04 PM
Hairston hits for Nix and walks.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:05 PM
Nice AB Jerry. Make him throw strikes, since he seems a bit unwilling to.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:06 PM
Volquez got some breaks that led to his line, but the story of this game and this season is the lack of runs scored and the lack of really any threats to score runs. On this road trip, the Reds have scored 18 runs in 6 games, an average of 3 runs. Spahn, Sain, and Koufax would have a hard time winning games with that. The tough thing to accept is that the FO apparently knew this and still did not make any moves. Crazy

And pumping up the Janishes and Haristons of the world doesn't help. This team lacks really tested and true major league hitters.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 05:07 PM
EV, for all the complaining, has turned in a 6-inning, 1 run effort. 7 Ks. 5 BBs.

By the way, since there seems to some myopia that ONLY reds struggle or have less than ideal command, AJ Burnett walked seven Clevelanders today in his outing, striking out only two. In Burnett's favor, like Volquez's, he limited the damage, keeping the Yankees in it.

As much as I want to see Volquez roll through and dominate front to back in these starts (and Cueto, etc.), I am pleased the Volquez fought through and turned in such a good effort.

The Reds simply need to stop their silliness and get some runs. This is ridiculous.

Nice post -- couldn't agree more.

Interesting spot here with Hairston on 1st, no outs, and the bottom of the order up. With the way this team is hitting, I think you have to hit-and-run with Hernande. He does a good job of going to RF.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:08 PM
Geoff Geary in to pitch.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:09 PM
I firmly disagree with Welsh and the Reds that bunting here is advisable with Alex G due up next.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2009, 05:09 PM
No start that includes 5 walks can ever be described as great, much less good. But what was encouraging about it is that he was definitely surrendering fewer laser-shots; only two or three really hard hit balls all day.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:09 PM
Run, Jerry, run.

Try a steal, Reds, try a steal.

Be. aggressive. B. E. Aggressive.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:10 PM
I firmly disagree with Welsh and the Reds that bunting here is advisable with Alex G due up next.

I'm with you.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:10 PM
He bluffed going. But he didn't go. And Ramon took a strike trying to let him steal.

Why, Reds, why?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Hernandez lines a single to right. 1st and 2nd.

membengal
04-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Bloop single to RF. Two on. No one out.

And NOW I am down with a bunt.

Bunt, Alex G, bunt.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Dang, a hit. What's that?

Now we get Gonzo...bunt, I hope

lollipopcurve
04-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Gonzo has to bunt here. It's about execution now.

mth123
04-19-2009, 05:12 PM
I use Owings here.

Screwball
04-19-2009, 05:12 PM
I'd bunt with Gonzalez until he got one down or struck out.