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Raisor
04-24-2009, 10:11 PM
He looked great until he got robbed on that strike three. After that, he totally lost it.

EV needs to learn how to deal emotionally with bad calls.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Phillips looks totally lost at the plate...is he just chasing everything or is it an issue with his mechanics?

Looks like a guy who could use a day off, frankly.

Red in Chicago
04-24-2009, 10:12 PM
EV needs to learn how to deal emotionally with bad calls.

Our very own Zambrano;)

_Sir_Charles_
04-24-2009, 10:13 PM
He looked great until he got robbed on that strike three. After that, he totally lost it.

You mean in the second inning where he walked 2? or in the 5th when he walked 5?

Don't get me wrong, I love Volquez's stuff and I still think he'll be our ace this season, but right now...he's really struggled and is VERY lucky to be 2-1. His walks are WAY too common.

WMR
04-24-2009, 10:14 PM
I wonder if Dusty is going to let Willy get away with playing that way too shallow centerfield for the entire season? It's ridiculous.

WMR
04-24-2009, 10:15 PM
Volquez' problems seem to be squarely between the ears.

Agree with Raisor that he must learn to harness his emotions even when he doesn't get a call that he thinks he should. The same thing happens to all young pitchers at some point or another. What separates the good ones from the great ones are those who can shake it off and still get the job done without falling apart.

_Sir_Charles_
04-24-2009, 10:17 PM
I wonder if Dusty is going to let Willy get away with playing that way too shallow centerfield for the entire season? It's ridiculous.

Not sure I agree with that. He got to the wall in time, it was just out of his reach. I haven't seen too many balls hit over his head because he was too shallow (unless they were smoked and it wouldn't have mattered WHERE he started at). But I wouldn't be upset if they did make him play deeper. He can just use his speed to run IN instead of OUT.

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Good inning.

WMR
04-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Not sure I agree with that. He got to the wall in time, it was just out of his reach. I haven't seen too many balls hit over his head because he was too shallow (unless they were smoked and it wouldn't have mattered WHERE he started at).

He plays too shallow. I hated it when Jim Edmonds did it and I hate it now.

It's a lot easier to come in then it is to go back.

Bob Borkowski
04-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Bottom of the 6th. Reds trail 3-2.

reds44
04-24-2009, 10:21 PM
Are people really complaining about how shallow Taveras is playing? Frenchy hit a line drive out of the park and Taveras got their a half step late. It looks like he can get to about anything that is in the yard.

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:23 PM
Are people really complaining about how shallow Taveras is playing? Frenchy hit a line drive out of the park and Taveras got their a half step late. It looks like he can get to about anything that is in the yard.

Exactly. Playing too deep and letting the dinkers fall in has been the primary problem with this OF defense this decade.

WMR
04-24-2009, 10:23 PM
Are people really complaining about how shallow Taveras is playing? Frenchy hit a line drive out of the park and Taveras got their a half step late. It looks like he can get to about anything that is in the yard.

I am and it's hardly about that one isolated play.

I hate it when OFs play shallow. A main reason is that your ability to prevent balls hit to the gaps from becoming extra base hits is severely curtailed.

Tony Cloninger
04-24-2009, 10:23 PM
Paul Blair and the slimmer Andrew Jones say hello.

GAC
04-24-2009, 10:24 PM
EV needs to learn how to deal emotionally with bad calls.

Bingo!

And I like what Welsh just said. During EV's start in Houston, in the post-game interview EV stated that he kept looking up at the radar gun reading on the score board, saw he was throwing the ball in the high 90s, and that convinced him he had good stuff, and that nothing was wrong.

Throwing the ball hard does not mean you have good stuff.

I think this kid allows his concentration to get rattled during the game. That's why he has his "spells".

WMR
04-24-2009, 10:24 PM
Exactly. Playing too deep and letting the dinkers fall in has been the primary problem with this OF defense this decade.

There's a difference between too deep and a happy medium.

HokieRed
04-24-2009, 10:24 PM
The better center fielders always play shallow. You may remember the occasional ball that gets over one of their heads; what you don't remember--but which can be just as damaging--are the ones that drop in in front of the weaker cfers.

Screwball
04-24-2009, 10:25 PM
"Next up for Vazquez will be his Gretzky. His 99th pitch." -Grande

I chuckled.

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:26 PM
Paul Blair and the slimmer Andrew Jones say hello.

No kiddng. Probably the two best defensive CF I ever saw.

JaxRed
04-24-2009, 10:26 PM
It would have been a nice play had he made it, but that was a catchable ball. It didn't go out of the park, it hit the fence and then went out.

Taveras didn't catch it because he arrived at the fence at the same time as the ball. Had he been playing deeper he could have timed his leap and made the catch.

That's the chance you take when you play shallow. Every once in a while you'll get burned. The question is, do the balls you catch because you are playing shallow more than make up for the occasional deep ball.

Bob Borkowski
04-24-2009, 10:27 PM
After 6, Reds down 3-2.

GAC
04-24-2009, 10:27 PM
The better center fielders always play shallow.

Exactly. The BETTER ones do so because they can. ;)

And I don't know if I agree with the assessment that it's easier to come in on a ball then it is going back.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 10:28 PM
Gonzalez possibly bought Vazquez another inning by swinging at the first pitch and making an out.

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:29 PM
There's a difference between too deep and a happy medium.

Willy is only an average CF IMO, but his positioning is not the problem. He's not too shallow.

reds44
04-24-2009, 10:29 PM
It would have been a nice play had he made it, but that was a catchable ball. It didn't go out of the park, it hit the fence and then went out.

Taveras didn't catch it because he arrived at the fence at the same time as the ball. Had he been playing deeper he could have timed his leap and made the catch.

That's the chance you take when you play shallow. Every once in a while you'll get burned. The question is, do the balls you catch because you are playing shallow more than make up for the occasional deep ball.
So Taveras has to play at a depth that allows him to rob homers?

Uh, no.

GAC
04-24-2009, 10:29 PM
Anyone else feel like this watching this game?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/radioassets/photos/2007/8/6/26157_2.jpg

JaxRed
04-24-2009, 10:30 PM
Actually, I think he should play shallow. But that does mean he occasionally will get burned. Like he just did.

Screwball
04-24-2009, 10:31 PM
Fox Sports has Masset consistently hitting 92, 93 mph. Gameday has his avg. fastball at 94.1. I honestly didn't realize he threw that hard.

Bob Borkowski
04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
Pretty sure that earlier Marty said that the last time a Reds pitcher walked 5 batters in one inning was Ryan Dempster in April 2003.

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
Actually, I think he should play shallow. But that does mean he occasionally will get burned. Like he just did.

Playing shallow makes a guy a better CF IMO. I'll agree he'll have fewer "webgems" on ESPN. I don't care. I want those dinkers to be outs.

lollipopcurve
04-24-2009, 10:35 PM
Gonzalez possibly bought Vazquez another inning by swinging at the first pitch and making an out.

Good pitch to hit, and he took it to the warning track in center. I have no problem with that swing.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 10:35 PM
Pretty sure that earlier Marty said that the last time a Reds pitcher walked 5 batters in one inning was Ryan Dempster in April 2003.

I was definitely at that game, having driven an hour from Dayton with friends and a bag of beer. He was Dumpster thereafter.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 10:37 PM
HOLY CATS! JFrank walks twice in one game.

I am hiding under the bed.

CTA513
04-24-2009, 10:37 PM
10 walks for the Braves

Screwball
04-24-2009, 10:37 PM
Francoeur with his 2nd walk of the night. I believe that's a sign of the apocalypse.

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 10:39 PM
4-2 Braves.

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:40 PM
Reds doing their best to ensure the large walk-up crowd doesn't come back. Not only are all these walks bad baseball, but its incredibly boring.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 10:41 PM
This team is incapable of winning in front of a big crowd. No wonder the Reds always have poor attendance.

Tony Cloninger
04-24-2009, 10:42 PM
I was hoping that the nice road trip would carry over to a good game.....but a late 90's AL game broke out tonight.

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 10:43 PM
Reds doing their best to ensure the large walk-up crowd doesn't come back. Not only are all these walks bad baseball, but its incredibly boring.

There will be a lot of people there tomorrow. It's fleece blanket day. It's supposed to be 88 and humid tomorrow.

This team needs its own mockumentary.

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:44 PM
There will be a lot of people there tomorrow. It's fleece blanket day. It's supposed to be 88 and humid tomorrow.

This team needs its own mockumentary.

Maybe people can fan themselves with those blankets.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 10:45 PM
This team needs its own mockumentary.

"I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem may have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object."

HokieRed
04-24-2009, 10:46 PM
I'm really disappointed. I thought we'd get a big offensive breakout tonight and a good game from Volquez.

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 10:48 PM
I'm really disappointed. I thought we'd get a big offensive breakout tonight and a good game from Volquez.

Volquez falls in the wake of the mighty Vazquez. It was bound to happen at least once.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 10:49 PM
The Braves bullpen is awful. Can they score some runs?

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 10:52 PM
Can I get confirmation that Danny Herrera was sporting a wispy, 1977 John Candelaria mustache?

Tony Cloninger
04-24-2009, 10:55 PM
I hope Dickerson does not go Jon Nunnally on us this year.

Hey?? 2 lefties in a row? What in the name of Al Oliver and Willie Stargell is going on.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 10:55 PM
http://www.nunnie.com/joname1.jpg


Hey, I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader....
I don't live in an igloo or eat blubber, or own a dogsled....
and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada,
although I'm certain they're really really nice.

I have a Prime Minister, not a president.
I speak English and French, not American.
And I pronounce it 'about', not 'a boot'.

I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
I believe in peace keeping, not policing,
diversity, not assimilation,
and that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.
A toque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch,
and it is pronounced 'zed' not 'zee', 'zed' !!!!

Canada is the second largest landmass!
The first nation of hockey!
and the best part of North America

My name is Joe!!
And I am Canadian!!!


http://thm-a01.yimg.com/image/232d13cadc793b5c


http://thm-a01.yimg.com/image/daccbb9aaa424990

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 10:56 PM
Hustling Joey Votto making stuff happen!

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:57 PM
Phillips could have a tough time with Moylan. Lets hope for the best here.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 10:57 PM
Phillips up with two on and two outs. I'd feel better if Owings was hitting right now.

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 10:57 PM
Wow. Joey Votto is now so feared that he makes pitchers fumble sweet little grounders.

Do we violate some kind of international law if we clone Canadians?

Bob Borkowski
04-24-2009, 10:57 PM
BP with a chance to be a hero.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Wow. Joey Votto is now so feared that he makes pitchers fumble sweet little grounders.

Do we violate some kind of international law if we clone Canadians?

NAFTA

North American Free Touque Alliance

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Don't be a hero...just don't get OUT.

Team Clark
04-24-2009, 10:59 PM
Hope he gets a hanger here and blasts it.

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 10:59 PM
And BP flies out.

BCubb2003
04-24-2009, 10:59 PM
Do we violate some kind of international law if we clone Canadians?

Aren't they all the same?

mth123
04-24-2009, 10:59 PM
That may be the game there.

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 11:00 PM
sweet little pop up. Lame. LAME.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Note to Brandon: put away the sand wedge.

alloverjr
04-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Glad he's back in the 4 hole.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Phillips needs to bat eighth. He's the worse cleanup hitter in the game.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 11:00 PM
sweet little pop up. Lame. LAME.

He has an absolutely horrible approach at the plate. All uppercuts and hacks at bad balls.

Team Clark
04-24-2009, 11:01 PM
Brandon has Corey Pattersonitis. Small man who wants to hit big homeruns.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:01 PM
To be fair, Moylan is tough on righties. Not sure why Dusty used McDonald there.

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 11:02 PM
Aren't they all the same?

:laugh:

Tony Cloninger
04-24-2009, 11:02 PM
He took a strike then it was hack away......2nd pitch might have been a ball....3rd pitch was borderline....and that last pitch....maybe if you are Rod Carew or Paul Waner...or Wee Willie Keeler...you flick that for a base hit.

CW said he is better when he is patient but it is impossible for him to be so.

This pitcher has already 5 walks!!

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:03 PM
Sure wish this team had a clean-up hitter. Well, in addition to Votto.

reds44
04-24-2009, 11:03 PM
There's just not enough bats in the lineup right now. The only two hitters I have any confidence at all in is Votto and Bruce. They need to be hitting 3-4.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Sure wish this team had a clean-up hitter.

Nick Swisher was available for next to nothing.

reds44
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Sure wish this team had a clean-up hitter.
They do. He's hitting 5th.

Bob Borkowski
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
4-2 Braves...top of the 8th.

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Nick Swisher was available for next to nothing.

And he can pitch!

reds44
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Nick Swisher was available for next to nothing.
He's not a cleanup hitter.

RedsManRick
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Against righties, Phillips really has no business batting higher than 6th -- period. Sure, EE is no classic cleanup guy, but I'd much rather have him taking that PA.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 11:05 PM
They do. He's hitting 5th.

OK, then we need another five hitter.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:05 PM
Against righties, Phillips really has no business batting higher than 6th -- period. Sure, EE is no classic cleanup guy, but I'd much rather have him taking that PA.

Yep.

Team Clark
04-24-2009, 11:05 PM
Votto scares me in the field. I'm sorry. Maybe with time he'll be more comfortable over at 1B.

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:06 PM
And he can pitch!

That would be nice to have another batter/pitcher

reds44
04-24-2009, 11:06 PM
Taveras
Encarnacion
Votto
Bruce
Phillips
Hernandez
Dickerson
Gonzalez

I actually wouldn't mind seeing McDonald get a start in LF. Did I just say that?

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:06 PM
He's not a cleanup hitter.

He's a lot better than what we have. He's a .370+ OBP guy with 25-30 homer power. I'd take that in between Votto and Bruce.

alloverjr
04-24-2009, 11:07 PM
Votto scares me in the field. I'm sorry. Maybe with time he'll be more comfortable over at 1B.

or in LF

reds44
04-24-2009, 11:08 PM
He's a lot better than what we have. He's a .370+ OBP guy with 25-30 homer power. I'd take that in between Votto and Bruce.
And he's still not a cleanup hitter.

HokieRed
04-24-2009, 11:09 PM
I'm not sure what makes a guy with a sub .700 lifetime OPS against righties even a 6 hitter. I think you bat Phillips in line with his platoon stats: probably 5th against lefties, 8th against righties. (Of course this presumes either a little better hitting from H and G or replacement of one or both of them)

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:09 PM
Nice inning for Burton. :)

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:09 PM
And he's still not a cleanup hitter.

I wouldn't complain too much about a .370+ OBP and 25-30 homers out of the cleanup spot.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:10 PM
Nice inning for Burton. :)

May be the highlight of this game so far.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 11:10 PM
And he's still not a cleanup hitter.

and, what, pray tell, is the acme of a "cleanup hitter" if you don't have access to Pujols, Berkman, Lee, etc.?

Team Clark
04-24-2009, 11:10 PM
or in LF

He's enough of an athlete to do it. I think at some point he will be Ok. Casey was not a good 1B when he came up. He ended up decent. Votto is 25x the athlete that Casey is/was.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:11 PM
And he's still not a cleanup hitter.

.292 .444 .542 .986 as a cleanup hitter

ok, it's in 66TPA but still...

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:13 PM
Bruce doubles.

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:13 PM
Bruuuuuce!

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:13 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1194/1468773932_33f1438c99.jpg?v=0

Chip R
04-24-2009, 11:13 PM
Nice hit for Jay the Bruce.

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:14 PM
Good on ya, Bruce.

Let's make it count, boys.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:14 PM
Need to get him in.

HokieRed
04-24-2009, 11:14 PM
Anybody think Jim Edmonds would look good in either the 4 or 6 spot right now?

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:14 PM
I'd love to see Jay and Joey bat back to back one of these days but it won't happen as long as Dusty is manager.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:16 PM
EdE with a BB

Chip R
04-24-2009, 11:16 PM
Say hello to the Bad Guy.

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:16 PM
Now would be a great time for Ramon's first HR in GABP. ;)

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 11:16 PM
"Not a clutch person" draws a base on balls.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:17 PM
Hernandez with a SAC bunt.

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:17 PM
Or just sacrifice the runners over, LOL :laugh:

HokieRed
04-24-2009, 11:17 PM
How seriously was EE pitched to? First base open, Ramon and Gonzo due up? Semi-intentional?

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:17 PM
Being two down, not sure if I like giving up an out there.

I'll have to think about it.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:17 PM
Sac bunt with Gonzalez on deck. Man oh man. Please pinch-hit for him. Bring on Nix or Owings.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:18 PM
2nd and 3rd, 1 out, Gonzalez and the pitcher's spot coming up.

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:18 PM
JUST foul

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:18 PM
Being two down, not sure if I like giving up an out there.

I'll have to think about it.

I'm sure I hate it.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:18 PM
I have zero confidence in Gonzalez to get a run in.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:19 PM
I think they just showed Puffy on the braves feed. Big dude in overalls, right?

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:19 PM
Nice sac for Gonzo.

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:19 PM
Gets the run in! :)

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:20 PM
Sac Fly. 4-3

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:20 PM
sub warning track power is helpful every now and then

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:20 PM
EdE at 2B. Nix up.

Team Clark
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Wow..Gonzo acting like he knows what to do with the stick tonight. Hope he starts something with this tonight.

Chip R
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Ohhhhhhhh, fuuuuuuuudge!

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Argh, Nix hit it hard but towards Escobar.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Laynce Nyx no styx.

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
At least Votto will bat 3rd in the 9th inning

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
GO 6-3 . To the 9th. 4 -3 Braves.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:22 PM
At least Votto will bat 3rd in the 9th inning


http://thm-a01.yimg.com/image/232d13cadc793b5c

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:23 PM
Argh, Nix hit it hard but towards Escobar.

Yep, that one was tagged. Not too much more you can do.

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:23 PM
A beautiful Braves fan in Cincinnati.

Bob Borkowski
04-24-2009, 11:23 PM
30,060 there tonite.

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:24 PM
Rats to not getting the other runner in. :( (I'm glad to see such a great crowd there tonight though!)

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:24 PM
Rhodes pitching

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:24 PM
King Arthur pitching

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:25 PM
King Arthur pitching
All hail King Arthur!

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:26 PM
Chipper FO 9.

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 11:26 PM
Love that McCann is doing the customary bald guy with a gross huge beard ploy. That's been a keeper for thousands of years. As David Cross once said, people might believe you have your head on upside down.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:27 PM
All hail King Arthur!


http://thm-a01.yimg.com/image/fb90bc1aa94a21a4

Chip R
04-24-2009, 11:29 PM
King Arthur pitching


http://www.elainemacintyre.net/images/cool/film_2004/kingarthur_montypython.jpg

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:29 PM
http://www.elainemacintyre.net/images/cool/film_2004/kingarthur_montypython.jpg



A little slow moderator.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:31 PM
Frenchy up. Runner on 1st. 1 out.

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:31 PM
Tell you what, Rhodes hits his spots. Hernandez rarely has to move his glove much.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:32 PM
Rhodes with a lot of pitches. Anybody have a count?

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:32 PM
Frenchy up. Runner on 1st. 1 out.

If he walks again, I'm selling all my property and sitting on the roof waiting for the comet to come by.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:32 PM
FO 8. 2 out.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:33 PM
If he walks again, I'm selling all my property and sitting on the roof waiting for the comet to come by.

If you sell all your property, you won't have a roof.

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:34 PM
FO 8. 2 out.

That'll stay in the park

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:34 PM
If you sell all your property, you won't have a roof.

I didn't say "my" roof.

...and there's Puffy again on the tv.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:34 PM
That'll stay in the park

Right or I'd have typed "HR."

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:35 PM
FO 9.

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:35 PM
King Arthur remains perfecto.

Chip R
04-24-2009, 11:36 PM
Where's Javy Valentin when we need him?

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:36 PM
Right or I'd have typed "HR."

I think he was referring to Grande. :)

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:37 PM
I think he was referring to Grande. :)

OH. Sound off. Sorry.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:37 PM
Where's Javy Valentin when we need him?

It's Friday night, where the heck do you think he is?

Home combing his stash.

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:37 PM
I like the King Arthur nickname and I like it even better when he pitches well! :)

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:38 PM
OH. Sound off. Sorry.

After hearing that phrase whenever the ball leaves the bat mine's off too

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:39 PM
I like the King Arthur nickname and I like it even better when he pitches well! :)



We need it to catch on, then we, and by "we" I mean "I", need a percentage of the merchandising.

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:39 PM
Willy T goes K's looking.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:39 PM
Willy K's.

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:39 PM
Mike Gonzalez is annoying. I'd charge the mound before he even threw a pitch.

Chip R
04-24-2009, 11:39 PM
Our good luck charm is up.

SMcGavin
04-24-2009, 11:40 PM
Next up Jerry "Harriston" pinch-hitting.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:40 PM
Hairston hitting for Dickerson. I'd have used Owings.

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:41 PM
By the time Gonzales throws a fricken pitch the world will end

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:41 PM
Mike Gonzalez is annoying. I'd charge the mound before he even threw a pitch.

That rocking hitch he has going into the windup deserves him getting a punch in the chops.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:41 PM
Hairston over Owings. Why?

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:41 PM
Gonzalez has the weirdest wind up. :eek:

Degenerate39
04-24-2009, 11:41 PM
Hairston over Owings. Why?

Respect dude

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:41 PM
Hairston over Owings. Why?

he pitches tomorrow

SMcGavin
04-24-2009, 11:41 PM
Mike Gonzalez is annoying. I'd charge the mound before he even threw a pitch.

No kidding... what is he doing out there?

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Hairston GO to the pitcher.

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Gonzalez gets the glove down in time to get JHJ's groundout.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:42 PM
he pitches tomorrow

He pitches Sunday.

Matt700wlw
04-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Hairston jogged...

dsmith421
04-24-2009, 11:42 PM
That's a perfect move for a closer...put doubt in people's minds, piss a few dudes off. Awesome. Wish we had gone after him.

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:42 PM
he pitches tomorrow

He pitches on Sunday. Bronson pitches tomorrow.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:43 PM
No kidding... what is he doing out there?

Looks like an illness of some type.

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:43 PM
Gonzalez entered the game with a 5.68 ERA but he dominated the Reds in the 9th.

HeatherC1212
04-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Oh that SUCKS to end the game that way. :bang:

Tom Servo
04-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Votto didn't stand a chance there.


Disapointing game.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Votto Ks. Game over.

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:44 PM
No kidding... what is he doing out there?

At first I thought he was drunk.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:44 PM
He pitches Sunday.

Then I got nothing..

Matt700wlw
04-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Votto Ks and he knew it...

OnBaseMachine
04-24-2009, 11:45 PM
Another nice job by the pitching staff holding the Braves to four runs, but once again the "offense" was awful. But Walt says he's not worried about the offense.

reds44
04-24-2009, 11:46 PM
That entire game was painful to watch.

Red in Chicago
04-24-2009, 11:46 PM
10 BB and 1 HBP is deserving of a loss.

Caseyfan21
04-24-2009, 11:46 PM
Gotta get the bat off the shoulder to do any damage. I think Hairston's GO back to the pitcher was the only swing they took in the 9th.

Raisor
04-24-2009, 11:46 PM
Another nice job by the pitching staff holding the Braves to four runs, but once again the "offense" was awful. But Walt says he's not worried about the offense.

Votto isn't doing enough, we should start blaming the offense on him.

mth123
04-24-2009, 11:47 PM
Another nice job by the pitching staff holding the Braves to four runs, but once again the "offense" was awful. But Walt says he's not worried about the offense.

All those walks weren't so good either. The reds burned up 5 pitchers including both lefties in the pen. I think it was a poor game all around. The defense was ok.

SMcGavin
04-24-2009, 11:48 PM
Gotta get the bat off the shoulder to do any damage. I think Hairston's GO back to the pitcher was the only swing they took in the 9th.

Ironic you say that in a game Atlanta won by taking 10 walks and only getting four hits, no?

Screwball
04-24-2009, 11:52 PM
That entire game was painful to watch.

1st inning was pretty sweet, but after that, yeah, not very fun.

vaticanplum
04-24-2009, 11:53 PM
I really thought they were going to pull this out.

I'm still so punchdrunk on seeing baseball at all that this kind of loss doesn't bother me. Come august, this is a different story. Actually in August this is the WORST kind of loss.

WVRedsFan
04-25-2009, 12:19 AM
Chris Welch said Volquez was more concerned with velocity than throwing strikes.
Jeff Brantley said that Volquez showed a total lack of concentration tonight.
One sports radio type (not in Cincinnati) said this week that the worst thing that could have happend to Volquez was the All-Star game last year.

Regardless, it is very important to this team that Volquez rights the ship. Going into 2009, he was supposed to be our ace and with a team scoring so few runs, aces are important. Tonight Volquez gave Atlanta two runs--and that was the winning margin.

It's just my opinion, but I see trouble on the horizon. Maybe the AS game start gave him the big head or maybe he had it anyway, i don't know. What I do know is what I saw in that video over the winter with the guns. What I have seen is a pitcher with all the talent in the world throwing in the neighborhoold of 12 pitches out of the strike zone. We can argue all we want about how he was getting squeezed, but that's not the point. He continued to throw hard and did not adjust his pitches--something good pitchers do. Is Welsh right? Is Brantley? I don't know, but what I do know is they had better get him righted quickly because four runs will beat this team most nights. And giving the other club 2 of those runs is unforgivable.

HokieRed
04-25-2009, 12:22 AM
There never was any reason, apart from wishful thinking and the fact we gave up a terrific player for him, to consider Volquez an ace. What we need to hope for is that he can find enough consistency to be a reasonably good fourth starter.

WVRedsFan
04-25-2009, 12:55 AM
There never was any reason, apart from wishful thinking and the fact we gave up a terrific player for him, to consider Volquez an ace. What we need to hope for is that he can find enough consistency to be a reasonably good fourth starter.His first half last year, he was an ace. No doubt about that. After the AS break, nt so much, though he did pitch well in spots. The figures don't lie.

Pre AS breat he was 12-3 with a 2.30 ERA. Post AS break, he was 5-3 with a 4.60 ERA. So far this year, he is 2-2 with a 6.20 ERA. The last 17 games he has pitched have yielded 98 innings (5.76 innings per start), he's allowed 54 earned runs and walked 57. His ERA is 4.95, which is far off the 2.30 standard he set the first half.

Somebody better get to him quick and straighten him out. A 17 game stretch is a pattern.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 01:12 AM
There never was any reason, apart from wishful thinking and the fact we gave up a terrific player for him, to consider Volquez an ace. What we need to hope for is that he can find enough consistency to be a reasonably good fourth starter.

Volquez has the stuff to be ace. I consider him a #1 caliber starter, at worst a #2. And that great player we gave up to get Volquez is struggling too.

I've heard Dusty say a few times that he thinks the WBC set Volquez back. Who knows if that's true or not.

The pitching wasn't the problem tonight. Sure, it wasn't pretty, but they held the Braves to four runs. If the offense shows up the Reds win that game.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 01:21 AM
Chipper Jones on Yunel Escobar:

Jones agreed with Baker's assertion.

"Esco is high strung and he overreacts sometimes," said Jones. "There was no intent there. If you're going to stand on top of the plate, you've got to expect to get hit. If you do get hit, take your base. There's no sense in getting everybody all geared up. It was unnecessary."

Volquez said he has no prior history with Escobar.

"I don't even know him," Volquez said. "I told him I was just trying to get inside."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090424&content_id=4406174&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

BuckeyeRedleg
04-25-2009, 01:25 AM
Chris Welch said Volquez was more concerned with velocity than throwing strikes.
Jeff Brantley said that Volquez showed a total lack of concentration tonight.
One sports radio type (not in Cincinnati) said this week that the worst thing that could have happend to Volquez was the All-Star game last year.

Regardless, it is very important to this team that Volquez rights the ship. Going into 2009, he was supposed to be our ace and with a team scoring so few runs, aces are important. Tonight Volquez gave Atlanta two runs--and that was the winning margin.

It's just my opinion, but I see trouble on the horizon. Maybe the AS game start gave him the big head or maybe he had it anyway, i don't know. What I do know is what I saw in that video over the winter with the guns. What I have seen is a pitcher with all the talent in the world throwing in the neighborhoold of 12 pitches out of the strike zone. We can argue all we want about how he was getting squeezed, but that's not the point. He continued to throw hard and did not adjust his pitches--something good pitchers do. Is Welsh right? Is Brantley? I don't know, but what I do know is they had better get him righted quickly because four runs will beat this team most nights. And giving the other club 2 of those runs is unforgivable.

Agree. As I mentioned in the ORG thread on this subject, I'm concerned he's more of a thrower and less of a pitcher. Welsh and Brantley's observations further validate these concerns and perception.

kaldaniels
04-25-2009, 02:16 AM
duplicate post

kaldaniels
04-25-2009, 02:22 AM
Tim Tschida.

Watching the Braves telecast tonight I heard his name mentioned way too many times. Best when the ump is not noticed.

Ron Madden
04-25-2009, 04:41 AM
Votto isn't doing enough, we should start blaming the offense on him.

Just to carry on The Power of Tradition? :laugh::laugh::laugh:


The blame for any lost game must be placed at the feet of the clubs best offensive player.

membengal
04-25-2009, 10:50 AM
That was no less frustrating to watch in person.

I have the Braves. And Braves poser fans.

PuffyPig
04-25-2009, 11:24 AM
Gonzalez entered the game with a 5.68 ERA but he dominated the Reds in the 9th.

I wouldn't look at a relievers ERA after 6 innings or so to base an opinion on him.

His FIP ERA is 2.64, he has 13 K's in 7.1 innings and saves about 90% of his chances. He's one of the major's elite closers when healthy.

He generally dominates teams.

nate
04-25-2009, 11:58 AM
It seemed like Gonzales is always on the edge of balking (is that a word?). I guess he gets away with it because he's not moving his hands from the set position.

That would be extremely annoying to hit against, methinks.

membengal
04-25-2009, 12:51 PM
Hate, I mean.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 12:56 PM
Anyone else have a bad feeling that this homestand is going to be a disaster? They lost a winnable game last night, and today they are facing Derek Lowe. Arroyo has pitched well so far, but I don't like our offense against Lowe. Tomorrow we have our fifth starter going against a guy they've never faced before. Monday they face Oswalt and Tuesday Wandy Rodriguez. I was hoping for a 3-3 or 4-2 homestand, but I'm not feeling confident right now...

PuffyPig
04-25-2009, 01:27 PM
Anyone else have a bad feeling that this homestand is going to be a disaster? They lost a winnable game last night, and today they are facing Derek Lowe. Arroyo has pitched well so far, but I don't like our offense against Lowe. Tomorrow we have our fifth starter going against a guy they've never faced before. Monday they face Oswalt and Tuesday Wandy Rodriguez. I was hoping for a 3-3 or 4-2 homestand, but I'm not feeling confident right now...

I wouldn't start fretting already. You can't win every game. We are facing 3 of the same pitchers we faced in Houston, where we won 3 out of 4. As good as Wandy pitches at home, he pitches just as bad on the road.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 01:38 PM
I wouldn't start fretting already. You can't win every game. We are facing 3 of the same pitchers we faced in Houston, where we won 3 out of 4. As good as Wandy pitches at home, he pitches just as bad on the road.

True, but all three of those pitchers shut our offense down. We can't expect our pitching to shut down the opposition every night. This team desperately needs another bat.