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Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 12:14 PM
Lineups:


Atl
KJohnson 2B
Escobar SS
C.Jones 3B
Kotchman 1B
Francoeur RF
Diaz LF
Schafer CF
Ross C
Lowe P

Cin
Dickerson LF
Hairston CF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce RF
Encarnacion 3B
Gonzalez SS
Hanigan C
Arroyo P

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Dickerson leading off and no Willy T....interesting.

Degenerate39
04-25-2009, 01:41 PM
Phillips still cleaning up! I think I'd rather have Janish batting cleanup right now honestly.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 01:46 PM
Dusty gets set on some things to the point of it being stupid....like Phillips in the 4 hole.

Degenerate39
04-25-2009, 02:00 PM
Hi, Hello, and Welcome! The Chat is open

Tommyjohn25
04-25-2009, 02:01 PM
Sans Bruce, who probably doesn't need the added pressure of hitting cleanup, I'm not sure who Dusty can use. Votto can't hit everywhere unfortunately.

reds44
04-25-2009, 02:11 PM
Boo mlb.tv blacking this out.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 02:13 PM
Here we go with the walks already.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:13 PM
Johnson leads off with a walk.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:16 PM
Good start.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:16 PM
Escobar doubles off Dickerson's glove. 1-0 Braves. Escobar goes to 3rd on the throw home.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 02:17 PM
It's too nice outside today. I'm not gonna waste my day inside watching this team get their butts kicked.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:17 PM
Jones singles down the right field line. 2-0 Braves.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:18 PM
Arroyo's day game woes continue.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 02:18 PM
The Braves barely avoided a sweep by the Nationals. Now look what they're doing to the Reds.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:18 PM
What an ugly start. Kotchman singles to center. 1st and 2nd.

kaldaniels
04-25-2009, 02:19 PM
DP

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:19 PM
Francouer grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. Runner on 3rd with 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:21 PM
Diaz strikes out swinging. 2-0 Braves mid 1st.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:25 PM
Dickerson strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:26 PM
Hairston grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:27 PM
Lowe did that on purpose. It's on now!!!

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:27 PM
Votto is hit in the back and both sides are warned.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:30 PM
Phillips chases an outside pitch on a 3-2 count and grounds out to 1st. 2-0 Braves after 1.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:32 PM
Schafer grounds out to 1st. Nice play by Votto.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:33 PM
Edwin at at it again...poor judgement on a throw

CTA513
04-25-2009, 02:33 PM
Lowe did that on purpose. It's on now!!!

Have someone in the bullpen drill Escobar again.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:34 PM
Ross reaches on an infield hit. Edwin should have just not thrown the ball but he throws from his knees and Ross goes to 2nd on a throwing error.

pahster
04-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Boo mlb.tv blacking this out.

Weird, I'm watching it on MLB.tv.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Arroyo walks the pitcher...

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Have someone in the bullpen drill Escobar again.

And just to make it clear...do it FROM the bullpen. :O)

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Ugh. A 4 pitch walk to Lowe.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:37 PM
:lol: Marty talking about Wilco :lol:

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:38 PM
Johnson grounds into a 3-6 FC. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:40 PM
Escobar singles to left. 3-0 Braves.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 02:41 PM
Arroyo already at 43 pitches.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:41 PM
...and this organization wonders why they can't sell tickets...3 run shot from Chipper

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:41 PM
This game is pretty much over already. Chipper with a 3 run homer. 6-0 Braves.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 02:42 PM
Might as well plunk someone before you get pulled for blowing.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 02:42 PM
That should be plenty enough offense for Lowe. Walked the pitcher on four pitches, unreal.

The Reds shouldn't have to worry about anymore big crowds after this weekend.

BoydsOfSummer
04-25-2009, 02:42 PM
That's game, folks. Bleh...

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:43 PM
Arroyo can't pitch during the day. He's proven that.

Razor Shines
04-25-2009, 02:43 PM
Josh Fogg this game got out of hand in a hurry.

HokieRed
04-25-2009, 02:43 PM
Can't expect to get great pitching every time out. Have to win games like last night's.

BoydsOfSummer
04-25-2009, 02:43 PM
Bronson is a ROOGY.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:46 PM
Bruce doubles off the top of the wall in right center.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:48 PM
Edwin grounds out to short.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 02:49 PM
Gonzo!!!

:jump:

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:50 PM
Gonzalez homers to left center! 6-2 Braves.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:51 PM
Hanigan singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:52 PM
Good bunt by Arroyo moves Hanigan to 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:54 PM
Dickerson flies out to left. 6-2 Braves after 2.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:57 PM
Francouer flies out to left. 1 out.

nate
04-25-2009, 02:58 PM
I re-open chat!

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 02:58 PM
Diaz grounds out in front of the plate. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:01 PM
Scafer walks on a 3-2 pitch that looked good.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:03 PM
Ross flied out to center to end the inning. 6-2 Braves mid 3rd.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:06 PM
Hairston has been tossed from the ballgame.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:06 PM
Dusty has been tossed from the ballgame.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:06 PM
That call was crap.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:07 PM
Get 'em, Dusty :)

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:07 PM
Hairston just got thrown out of the game. That call was horrible. A called 3rd stike that was not close when Arroyo's ball was a strike and it was a walk. Dusty just got tossed too.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:07 PM
a fiesty bunch, these Reds.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 03:07 PM
If you wanted to get ejected you should have charged the mound and hit Lowe for hitting Votto.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:08 PM
LOL. If you look at Gameday, not a single pitch to Hairston was in the zone. Not ONE of them.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:08 PM
Dusty is still in the dugout :)

nate
04-25-2009, 03:08 PM
These are ejections I can get behind. This ump sucks.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:08 PM
A replacement ump from the minors who needs to go back to the minors. Dusty still has not left the bench.

oneupper
04-25-2009, 03:08 PM
I read A-hole from DB's lips.

This ump is awful.

BoydsOfSummer
04-25-2009, 03:09 PM
Outstanding! Two guys that suck are done for the game, we might have a chance!

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:09 PM
Votto flies out to left. 2 outs.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:09 PM
I read A-hole from DB's lips.

This ump is awful.

Lol, me too!

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:09 PM
Phillips flies out to center. 6-2 Braves after 3.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 03:10 PM
6 pitch inning for Lowe

alloverjr
04-25-2009, 03:11 PM
Outstanding! Two guys that suck are done for the game, we might have a chance!


If only Phillips could get ejected - and then suspended - for a month.

Degenerate39
04-25-2009, 03:11 PM
Let's just get a giant brawl going! Beat the crap out of the ump too

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:12 PM
Lowe grounds out to 3rd on the first pitch. McDonald is in to play center.

HotCorner
04-25-2009, 03:13 PM
Outstanding! Two guys that suck are done for the game, we might have a chance!

Sadly the ump is still around.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:13 PM
Johnson strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:15 PM
Escobar hit again by a pitch

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:16 PM
Escobar is hit by the pitch. For a second I thought this ump was throwing Arroyo out.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:16 PM
Escobar is hit by the pitch. For a second I thought this ump was throwing Arroyo out.

Another ump should throw this ump out of the game.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:17 PM
Another borderline pitch called a ball.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:18 PM
Jones strikes out looking. 6-2 Braves mid 4th.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 03:18 PM
Escobar hit again by a pitch

Have someone who throws hard hit him again.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:19 PM
Have someone who throws hard hit him again.

It was 90 mph on his hand...I'm pretty sure it was hard enough to hurt.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:21 PM
Why exactly should the Reds be headhunting?

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:21 PM
I'm waiting for a high FB that Hanigan ducks out of the way of. I can't find the youtube of that highschool battery that did that to the ump, but it might get the point across. (joking of course, but you get my point)

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:21 PM
Bruce strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:22 PM
Edwin grounds out to short. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:22 PM
Why exactly should the Reds be headhunting?

Exactly, the only one to be mad at is the Ump right now. Escobar seemed to complain for no reason yesterday, but the plunking of Votto did seem intentional.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:23 PM
A replacement ump from the minors who needs to go back to the minors. Dusty still has not left the bench.

These umpires have been awful. Absolutely awful. The guy that umpired last night needs to be sent to the minors for a while. That 1-2 pitch on Shafer last night was clearly strike three.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Gonzalez flies out to left. 6-2 Braves after 4.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Does the ump have options?

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:25 PM
Exactly, the only one to be mad at is the Ump right now. Escobar seemed to complain for no reason yesterday, but the plunking of Votto did seem intentional.

Concerning throwing Hairston out of the game, while the pitch may have been debatable (I tend to think it was a ball), every ump in the league is goiing to throw you out if you clearly get in his grill and then draw a line in the dirt demonstrating how far outside you thought the pitch was.... Hairston didn't give the ump a choice on that one....

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:26 PM
Arroyo seems to have settled down...now the Reds offense needs to get going.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:26 PM
Kotchman strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for Arroyo.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Concerning throwing Hairston out of the game, while the pitch may have been debatable (I tend to think it was a ball), every ump in the league is goiing to throw you out if you clearly get in his grill and then draw a line in the dirt demonstrating how far outside you thought the pitch was.... Hairston didn't give the ump a choice on that one....

I agree. I'm not mad at the ump for tossing Hairston & Baker, I'm mad at him because of his unfair zone. The exact same pitch is a strike to Reds batters but a ball to Braves batters. Repeatedly.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Francouer grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:28 PM
If only Arroyo hadn't walked Lowe back in the second inning...That turned out to be a four run mistake.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:29 PM
Man, that strike 2 pitch to Diaz was a cartoon curve.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:29 PM
Diaz strikes out looking. It is shame Arroyo got off to such a bad start because he is on now. 5 Ks. 6-2 Braves mid 5th.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Hanigan doubles down the left field line.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Hanigan da manigan.....

nate
04-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Hannigan smoked that one down the line for a double.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Nice!

Now Bobby Cox is mad :laugh:

nate
04-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Lol, horrible baserunning by Hannigan getting caught between 2nd and 3rd but he beats the rundown and Bronson ends up on 2nd.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Absolutely horrible call at third.....go Reds!

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Wow...I can't remember the last time I'd seen a failed rundown. Great hustle by Hanigan.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:34 PM
Wow. The Braves screw up getting Hanigan caught in a rundown and everyone is safe. Arroyo ends up on 2nd. Arroyo bunted in front of the plate. Ross throws to 3rd and somehow Hanigan beats the throw to 3rd on the rundown.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Absolutely horrible call at third.....go Reds!

I though Hannigan was out too.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Wow. The Braves screw up getting Hanigan caught in a rundown and everyone is safe. Arroyo ends up on 2nd. Arroyo bunted in front of the plate. Ross throws to 3rd and somehow Hanigan beats the throw to 3rd on the rundown.

He was out by about a yardstick....it was a call on par with the phantom Phillips tag several games ago

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:35 PM
Sheesh Chris, what were you swinging at? A good foot outside.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Where did they find these umps?

nate
04-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Sheesh Chris, what were you swinging at? A good foot outside.

He's protecting the strike zone as defined by this particular ump!

:cool:

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:36 PM
C'mon Dickerson....

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Where did they find these umps?

Maybe they work for free.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:37 PM
Dickerson strikes out swinging. 1 out.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:38 PM
C'mon, Old McDonald.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:39 PM
You just saw a major reason why Dickerson isn't an everyday player..... contact issues coupled with some sizeable platoon splits....

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:39 PM
McDonald just struck out swinging on a pitch so low it was almost in the dirt. 2 outs.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:40 PM
Well Votto is the guy you'd hope to be up in this situation....

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:40 PM
Another ball called a strike....this guy is awful. I'm not usually one to gripe about umps..

nate
04-25-2009, 03:41 PM
This ump _______________

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:41 PM
Wow. Second and third with nobody out and the top of the order up and they don't score. This offense is awful.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:41 PM
This ump's strike zone is horrible. Votto strikes looking.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:41 PM
You can't complain about any one of the three Votto just watched IMHO.... but man that inning honks me off in the worst way.... ouch.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:41 PM
Strike 3 looked good to me, though. Gotsta swing the bat!

nate
04-25-2009, 03:42 PM
You can't complain about any one of the three Votto just watched IMHO.... but man that inning honks me off in the worst way.... ouch.

I think you underestimate our penchant for complaining!

:cool:

CTA513
04-25-2009, 03:42 PM
This team was supposed to make more contact.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:43 PM
I'm not one to normally complain about an ump, but this is simply ridiculous. All 3 of those called strikes to Votto were out of the zone. Heck, the pitch he called a ball was in the exact same spot as 2 of the "strikes". I've yet to see anything remotely close to that pitiful being called for the other team. Does this ump live in Georgia by any chance?

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:43 PM
All they needed was two weak groundballs to make this a 6-4 ballgame and they couldn't even do that.

I'm so glad I decided to stay home instead of going to last night's and today's game.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:44 PM
Shafer doubles to left center.

RedsManRick
04-25-2009, 03:44 PM
This offense is bad enough as it is. Give a good pitcher like Lowe an extra 2 inches on every side of the plate and we don't have a prayer.

That said, at what point do we start "playing the game the right way?"

Tom Servo
04-25-2009, 03:44 PM
Awesome. The Reds sure know how to suck the life out of a fanbase.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:44 PM
Maybe we are now seeing why they didn't give Dickerson the full time LF job...he's not hitting, and his defense hasn't been much to write home about.

Not that I could have caught it :D

cincrazy
04-25-2009, 03:44 PM
I'm not one to normally complain about an ump, but this is simply ridiculous. All 3 of those called strikes to Votto were out of the zone. Heck, the pitch he called a ball was in the exact same spot as 2 of the "strikes". I've yet to see anything remotely close to that pitiful being called for the other team. Does this ump live in Georgia by any chance?

I agree that overall the ump has been horrible, but I thought all three of the strikes he called on Votto were fair.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:44 PM
Dickerson....GG?

Tom Servo
04-25-2009, 03:45 PM
Off the glove of Dickerson.

This is awful.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:45 PM
This is such a tough game to watch without getting upset....it's also one of those ones that could turn the otherway with some memorable late inning heroics....

Dickerson....GG? Maybe if Ibanez gets one too....

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:45 PM
I was dead wrong on Dickerson.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:46 PM
Diaz doubles off Dickeron's glove. 7-2 Braves.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:46 PM
*sigh* What do you guys think, should Chris have caught both those balls? I do.

GAC
04-25-2009, 03:46 PM
Geez! Dunn could be out there doing that ;)

CTA513
04-25-2009, 03:46 PM
Arroyos boy is now 2 for 3 off him

nate
04-25-2009, 03:47 PM
*sigh* What do you guys think, should Chris have caught both those balls? I do.

I can't tell what the wind is doing to the ball but George and Chris said it was a factor. However, I think he should've got the first one and given that he was _there_, he should've got the second one too.

RedsManRick
04-25-2009, 03:47 PM
Man.. I've defended Dickerson but his defense has been atrocious.

This is one of those games where you don't like you're been beat so much as you're beating yourself.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:48 PM
Good for Chris on that catch.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:48 PM
OK, well there's some redemption.

BoydsOfSummer
04-25-2009, 03:48 PM
LOL.....Chris had both hands on that one!

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:49 PM
Awesome.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:49 PM
Given the excitement generated by the road trip, this hasn't been the kind of series so far that you'd hope would reinforce the walk up numbers...

We need some late inning heroics..... ouch......Escobar makes it 9-2.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:50 PM
When the fans stop coming, the Reds have nobody to blame but themselves. This is the crap we're tired of seeing year in and year out.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm an optimist...but I've got nothin'. 9-2 Braves after the 2 run jack to Escobar of all people.

BoydsOfSummer
04-25-2009, 03:50 PM
We having fun yet? We really should be outside doing something.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Why was Arroyo sent back out there anyway?

Cross Chris Speier off the list of potential managerial candidates.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Escobar officially puts this one away with a 2 run homer 9-2 Braves.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:52 PM
I was dead wrong on Dickerson.

I think part of the defensive inning Dickerson is having stems from the at bat he had in the last inning..... maybe a little bit of looking back when he should've been looking at the ball off the bat...

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 03:52 PM
Why was Arroyo sent back out there anyway?

Cross Chris Speier off the list of potential managerial candidates.

I don't know why they were not pinch hitting for Arroyo after Hanigan led off with a double. Down 4 runs at that time you have to put everything you can into coming back.

GAC
04-25-2009, 03:53 PM
And to think I rushed home from helping my Mom to watch this. ;)

No pitching, no defense, no offense.

BCubb2003
04-25-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm an optimist...but I've got nothin'. 9-2 Braves after the 2 run jack to Escobar of all people.

Somebody should knock him down after a home run like that.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:53 PM
Okay, this annoys me. The Reds simply have no clue on how to use Herrera. You don't bring him in after Arroyo. You completely negate his effectiveness with his change of pace. After any other starter, sure...just not Arroyo.

Hopefully Danny suceeds despite the dumb move.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Way to go Danny. The quick K.

jojo
04-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Wow..... as OBM said, in the span of 6 outs, the Reds went from two groundballs in the infield making it 6 to 4 to the keystone cops losing by a touchdown.

Truthfully even then Hanigan essentially ran himself into an out and got away with it.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 03:56 PM
Brantley wonders if they're playing tight due to the big home crowd. They're trying too hard to impress the fans.

How minor league, if true.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Okay Jay...we need you now. 7 run homerun! Get it done.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Not a game Tom Emanski would be proud of.

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Given the excitement generated by the road trip, this hasn't been the kind of series so far that you'd hope would reinforce the walk up numbers...

We need some late inning heroics..... ouch......Escobar makes it 9-2.

Yeah, I don't want to ever hear the Reds complain about poor attendance again. Everytime the Reds get a decent crowd, they go out and embarrass themselves. Maybe one of these days they'll actually try to improve the team. With this pitching staff, the Reds had a chance to add a bat and make this team a legit contender. Instead, they made excuses and stood pat.

nate
04-25-2009, 03:59 PM
Bruce works a walk.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:00 PM
A walk? The ump called a.....a walk? But the Reds were BATTING? I'm confused.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 04:00 PM
2 year deal to Edwin looking like a bad contract so far...

GAC
04-25-2009, 04:02 PM
Brantley wonders if they're playing tight due to the big home crowd. They're trying too hard to impress the fans.

How minor league, if true.

The Cowboy just likes to hear himself speak

OnBaseMachine
04-25-2009, 04:02 PM
I hate to keep being negative, but I could easily see the Reds finishing 1-5 on this homestand. They are well on their way to 0-2 today, and tomorrow Owings is going against Kenshin Kawakami, a guy the Reds have never seen before. Then the Astros roll into town with Oswalt, Wandy Rodriguez, and Paulino pitching.

alloverjr
04-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Yeah, I don't want to ever hear the Reds complain about poor attendance again. Everytime the Reds get a decent crowd, they go out and embarrass themselves. Maybe one of these days they'll actually try to improve the team. With this pitching staff, the Reds had a chance to add a bat and make this team a legit contender. Instead, they made excuses and stood pat.

And the Reds wonder why my company decided not to do some promotional events with them this year. Attendance by the time the year gets into full swing will be as poor as always. Put a damn team on the field.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:06 PM
I hate to keep being negative, but I could easily see the Reds finishing 1-5 on this homestand. They are well on their way to 0-2 today, and tomorrow Owings is going against Kenshin Kawakami, a guy the Reds have never seen before. Then the Astros roll into town with Oswalt, Wandy Rodriguez, and Paulino pitching.

Well, I can't comment on this Kawakami guy as I know nothing about him. But I think we either sweep the Astros or take 2 of 3. Hopefully we can get something done off the Braves tomorrow.

nate
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
My favorite Reds so far:

1. Votto
2. Bruce
3. Danny Ray Herrera

jojo
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
And the Reds wonder why my company decided not to do some promotional events with them this year. Attendance by the time the year gets into full swing will be as poor as always. Put a damn team on the field.

The Braves are actually a nice little team.... :cool:

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
Brantley just said Taveras made the catch, did they bring him in? I thought he was getting the day off because he was feeling crappy?

GAC
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
I don't understand some of you. Bunch of manic depressives.

Going into this series everyone was very optimistic and having high expectations, even though it is early.

They lose two in a row to the Braves and the sky is falling again.

You're a bunch of Volquez'..... all over the place. :lol:

nate
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
The second to last pitch Dr. H threw was a freaking bumblebee.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:08 PM
My favorite Reds so far:

1. Votto
2. Bruce
3. Danny Ray Herrera

LOL. Same top 3 for me too, even the right order. :O) Herrera's just fun to watch.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:11 PM
Nice ab from Hanigan to draw a walk. A very nice overall game from Hanigan yet again.

Hernandez is certainly showing signs of turning it on offensively, but Hanigan deserves more playing time.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:12 PM
Nix pinch hitting for Herrera....but is called back to the dugout after finding out he's drafted by the Dallas Cowboys in the second round of the NLF draft.

SMcGavin
04-25-2009, 04:13 PM
Herrera's probably my favorite Red. I love watching Votto and he's a great hitter, but there are plenty of great hitters out there. DRH is one of a kind.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:14 PM
Nix k's. The ump's second called strike which was OBVIOUSLY not a strike forces Nix to expand his zone...leading to a K.

BCubb2003
04-25-2009, 04:14 PM
The "We will rock you" chant sounded like a dirge.

jojo
04-25-2009, 04:14 PM
I don't understand some of you. Bunch of manic depressives.

Going into this series everyone was very optimistic and having high expectations, even though it is early.

They lose two in a row to the Braves and the sky is falling again.

You're a bunch of Volquez'..... all over the place. :lol:

I know that you're just pokin' fun but the way the Reds are losing (playing) is like going to the kissing booth at the fair, closing your eyes as ya lean in expecting to smooch Miss County Fair QT, and then getting a hard kick in the groin instead....

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:16 PM
Dickerson k's again. He's having a VERY rough game today. Yikes.

jojo
04-25-2009, 04:16 PM
Dickerson is having like the worst game in recorded history.

VR
04-25-2009, 04:17 PM
Nix k's. The ump's second called strike which was OBVIOUSLY not a strike forces Nix to expand his zone...leading to a K.

Anyone still thinking Nix is a major leaguer? 8 k's in 18 abs so far...

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:18 PM
Anyone still thinking Nix is a major leaguer? 8 k's in 18 abs so far...

I wasn't a fan of us keeping him. I wanted us to keep Rosales instead. We've got enough OF'ers. Keeping him because of his handedness is a poor excuse IMO.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 04:19 PM
I wasn't a fan of us keeping him. I wanted us to keep Rosales instead. We've got enough OF'ers. Keeping him because of his handedness is a poor excuse IMO.

He should be brought up with the way these guys haven't been hitting or playing defense.

BoydsOfSummer
04-25-2009, 04:19 PM
Did you see the guy in the stands on that pop up to Ross? Did he actually think he was gonna catch that?:roll:

jojo
04-25-2009, 04:20 PM
Anyone still thinking Nix is a major leaguer? 8 k's in 18 abs so far...

Pinch hitting is pretty tough. Nix is something like an average major league bat who can play neutral defense in the corner outfield. I don't mind having him on the bench.

kaldaniels
04-25-2009, 04:20 PM
Is Dickerson a case of putting too much stock in stats for 1 month played in September. He has not looked good for most of the year.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:20 PM
Lincoln replaces Herrera. 9-2 Braves...I'm guessing 11-2 braves after this inning. Lincoln has NOT impressed me this year. He's looked extremely hittable.

SMcGavin
04-25-2009, 04:22 PM
Is Dickerson a case of putting too much stock in stats for 1 month played in September. He has not looked good for most of the year.

That's part of it. A lot of his value was in his supposed excellent CF defense. I don't know how well he plays in CF, but it is pretty clear that he's not an excellent defender in left.

VR
04-25-2009, 04:22 PM
Reds hitters last in BA
Reds pitchers 1st in BB allowed.

Not a good recipe so far.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:23 PM
He should be brought up with the way these guys haven't been hitting or playing defense.

Yep, but I don't see the Reds sitting Brandon, Edwin or Gonzo. Too much money invested there. Gonzo is coming around the past week. Not many hits, but he's making HARD contact. And his defense is coming around nicely. Brandon, no matter how bad he looks at the plate, he always still contributes with his glove. Edwin though....it's got to be getting close to decision time on Edwin. He's not hitting, he's not fielding, he doesn't even look like he's trying.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 04:25 PM
Lincoln got a 2 year deal too, didn't he?

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Double by Norton to score Schafer. 10-2 Braves. Well, I said 11-2 by the end of this inning. *sigh*

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Yep, but I don't see the Reds sitting Brandon, Edwin or Gonzo. Too much money invested there. Gonzo is coming around the past week. Not many hits, but he's making HARD contact. And his defense is coming around nicely. Brandon, no matter how bad he looks at the plate, he always still contributes with his glove. Edwin though....it's got to be getting close to decision time on Edwin. He's not hitting, he's not fielding, he doesn't even look like he's trying.

Yet they locked him up for 2 years...and now Rosales is tearing up AAA.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Yet they locked him up for 2 years...and now Rosales is tearing up AAA.

Yep. At what time do you make that call though? It's still early and probably TOO early to bench these guys. But regardless of what they decide to do, Adam has EARNED a spot on the club. Heck, he earned one in spring training.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Another reason for Rosales to come up...his hustle is infectious! With a young club, that sort of thing can spread through the clubhouse like a freaking virus.

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Yep. At what time do you make that call though? It's still early and probably TOO early to bench these guys. But regardless of what they decide to do, Adam has EARNED a spot on the club. Heck, he earned one in spring training.

I said at the time that I thought a year deal was fine...basically a make or break contract, at least I think I did...:)

CTA513
04-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Yep, but I don't see the Reds sitting Brandon, Edwin or Gonzo. Too much money invested there. Gonzo is coming around the past week. Not many hits, but he's making HARD contact. And his defense is coming around nicely. Brandon, no matter how bad he looks at the plate, he always still contributes with his glove. Edwin though....it's got to be getting close to decision time on Edwin. He's not hitting, he's not fielding, he doesn't even look like he's trying.

Put him in LF and see how it works.
It can't be much worse then what we are seeing.

Tony Cloninger
04-25-2009, 04:31 PM
A lot of people here were hyping up CD.....saying it should be a no brainer....why sign taveras.... and so on. I am not giving up on him to do something but he is looking more like a Jon Nunnally type hitter.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:32 PM
An o-fer for Votto. 2 k's and a Ihbp. Now THAT'S an unusual line.

VR
04-25-2009, 04:34 PM
Reds gotta be leading in k/games for batting as well.

Jacoby.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:35 PM
Put him in LF and see how it works.
It can't be much worse then what we are seeing.

You mean Edwin, or Rosales? I'm hoping you mean Edwin.


I said at the time that I thought a year deal was fine...basically a make or break contract, at least I think I did...:)

Yeah, I think a two year deal with his track record was a bit like a reward for middling play. I mean it's not a BAD contract...just inappropriate.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Janish sighting! In as a defensive replacement for Gonzo. I'm not complaining that Janish is in, but isn't Gonzo in there because of his defense?!?

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:38 PM
BtB singles off Lincoln.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Janish-Phillips-Votto double play.

I'd love to type that more often. Smooth.

And on an up-note, Lincoln's ERA has fallen below 15.00

CTA513
04-25-2009, 04:39 PM
You mean Edwin, or Rosales? I'm hoping you mean Edwin.



Rosales because I don't see the other infielders getting benched.

Tony Cloninger
04-25-2009, 04:39 PM
I think he is in beacuse he needs the work.....it's not like you need defense in a blowout loss.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:43 PM
Rosales because I don't see the other infielders getting benched.

Adam has VERY limited experience in the OF. If we're gonna push someone off position, I'd be in favor of it being Edwin. We know we're going to have to make room in the IF in the next year or so anyway with our current prospect group and Edwin seems like the likely candidate. He certainly hasn't earned any favoritism based on his defense. Votto has. Brandon has. Gonzo has (maybe undeservedly).

Matt700wlw
04-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Pedro to DC?

Supposedly that's the latest rumor.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Nice ab from Janish so far. Really battling.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:46 PM
Great ab. 10 pitch ab and then lines a single out of it.

For someone who supposedly doesn't have a stick, he's looked pretty good in '09 so far.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:48 PM
Groundball looks to be a dp ball but Hanigan beats it out.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Nix with a single up the middle. 1st & 2nd. 2 down.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:50 PM
Dickerson up. 3 k's so far today. Golden sombrero anyone? It would be a fitting end to his day.

_Sir_Charles_
04-25-2009, 04:51 PM
*sigh* Well, I called it. Strike 3 looking. 10-2 Braves....ball game.

HokieRed
04-25-2009, 04:53 PM
Jim Edmonds anyone?

VR
04-25-2009, 04:54 PM
snowman for EE and BP

Raisor
04-26-2009, 12:00 AM
I watched most of the game at a local bar this afternoon with a few Braves fans.

Very depressing.

WVRedsFan
04-26-2009, 03:32 AM
I watched most of the game at a local bar this afternoon with a few Braves fans.

Very depressing.

As per usual, Phil. While the Bravos are considered inferior to us by many, they can hit and score runs. Though they didn't need much offense today (as most teams don't against the Reds), they poured it on against our expensive starter. All the while, we had trouble with fly balls and infield grounders. Perfect. If you ignore the problems of the club and "fix" them with bargain basement players from the minors or the trash bin, you get this kind of game. I'm still praying for 81-81.

WMR
04-26-2009, 05:09 AM
This is just such a classic Reds move.

Do great on the road trip, come home to a large crowd that is excited to see some baseball and...

...

...

we all know how the story ends.