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camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 03:18 PM
I figured we could have a thread designated for the 2009 NFL draft. Feel free to discuss the picks that are made and what you think of them.

The Detroit Lions took Matt Stafford and signed him to a 6 year, $78 million contract with $41 million of it guaranteed.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:23 PM
The Rams, predictably, took Jason Smith.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:25 PM
The Kansas City Chiefs took Tyson Jackson, defensive end. Wow. I didn't see that coming.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:32 PM
Aaron Curry goes #4 to the Seahawks. It's looking more and more like the Bengals will get a tackle with their first pick.

Tony Cloninger
04-25-2009, 04:34 PM
Maybe Denver will trade up to get Sanchez.....and Bengals can get Oher and Mack...with the 2 1st round Denver picks.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:39 PM
The Browns traded their pick to the Jets. I think we're going to see Sanchez drafted.

OesterPoster
04-25-2009, 04:41 PM
Okay, so even Mike Brown can't possible screw this up, right? Take your pick, Monroe or Smith or I'd be happy to trade back a pick or two and still get one of them.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:42 PM
The Jets fan like this pick quite a bit more than previous picks.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:43 PM
Okay, so even Mike Brown can't possible screw this up, right? Take your pick, Monroe or Smith or I'd be happy to trade back a pick or two and still get one of them.
I'm more worried about the second round pick. I'm worried that Brown will go for a HB or WR instead of a C.

WMR
04-25-2009, 04:46 PM
man i love that trade for the browns

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:46 PM
The Jets had to give up quite a bit to get the #5 pick.

Browns receive:
DE Kenyon Coleman
QB Brett Ratliff
S Abram Elam
picks #17 & #52

Jets receive:
#5 (Sanchez)

Apparently the Jets fans didn't realize what they were giving up when they were cheering as the pick was made.

fearofpopvol1
04-25-2009, 04:48 PM
Will the Bungles take Crabtree, especially with TJ out? And Johnson eventually probably being traded?

WMR
04-25-2009, 04:48 PM
if the bengals take crabtree i'm going to kill myself

OesterPoster
04-25-2009, 04:48 PM
Yeah, that's a really good move for the Browns, especially because they didn't have many picks in this draft to begin with.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:50 PM
The Bengals draft Andre Smith!

Eric_the_Red
04-25-2009, 04:51 PM
Wow....they didn't screw it up.

I'm amazed.

RedsManRick
04-25-2009, 04:52 PM
According to Kiper, Nick Saban really spoke highly about Smith. If there's one guy who know will mean what he says, it's Nick Saban. ;)

I would've preferred Monroe.

WMR
04-25-2009, 04:53 PM
I'm going to be happy with this pick.

Tony Cloninger
04-25-2009, 04:53 PM
Monroe was a safer pick....could care less what Saben says....of course he is not going to downgrade his own player.

The Bengals should trust their scouts. ;)

guttle11
04-25-2009, 04:55 PM
Now, do the Bengals trade back into the 25-28 area, ahead of Pittsburgh, to take Alex Mack? With all those picks to burn I would. But I'm not in charge yet.

WMR
04-25-2009, 04:56 PM
Jeez who cares about Chad. Talk about the pick.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:56 PM
The Raiders draft WR Darrius Heyward-Bey. Poor Raiders fans . . .

Eric_the_Red
04-25-2009, 04:57 PM
Just when I think being a Bengals fan is the worst, the Raiders do something to remind me it could be worse.

WMR
04-25-2009, 04:57 PM
hahaha what a horrible pick! DA RAIDERS lol

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 04:59 PM
As long as the Bengals get Mack, Unger, or Wood with the second pick, I think the Bengals had a great first day of the draft. I don't see that happening, though, because all three of those guys could be gone, and a flashy player is going to drop down.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 05:01 PM
Very good pick for the Bengals. They finally do a smart thing and upgrade their offensive line.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:05 PM
The Jaguars take Eugene Monroe.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:09 PM
It looks like B.J. Raji is going to the Packers.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:21 PM
Crabtree goes to the 49ers.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:27 PM
The Bills take Aaron Maybin.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:31 PM
The Denver Broncos shock the world and take HB Knowshon Moreno.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 05:32 PM
The Denver Broncos shock the world and take HB Knowshon Moreno.

Moreno will join the other 4234342 running backs the Broncos have.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:33 PM
The Redskins take Brian Orakpo.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:33 PM
Moreno will join the other 4234342 running backs the Broncos have.
True. I can't think of a single good reason for the Broncos to take Moreno with that pick.

GIDP
04-25-2009, 05:34 PM
Bengals need to take either one of the Centers or one of the LBers if they fall into the 2nd round. Either way ill be pretty happy with the 1st 2 picks.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:40 PM
Not surprisingly at all, the Saints take Malcolm Jenkins.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:44 PM
The Texans are taking Brian Cushing.

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:48 PM
I just heard Rich Eisen say, "Now the Texans have more Cushing for the pushing." :lol:

camisadelgolf
04-25-2009, 05:55 PM
I'm going to go out and get my drink on in a bit. If someone else wants to update (why would you?), here's who has been picked so far:
1. Detroit Lions - Matt Stafford, QB
2. St. Louis Rams - Jason Smith, OT
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Tyson Jackson, DE
4. Seattle Seahawks - Aaron Curry, LB
5. New York Jets - Mark Sanchez, QB
6. Cincinnati Bengals - Andre Smith, OT
7. Oakland Raiders - Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Eugene Monroe, OT
9. Green Bay Packers - B.J. Raji, DT
10. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Crabtree, WR
11. Buffalo Bills - Aaron Maybin, DE/LB
12. Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno, HB
13. Washington Redskins - Brian Orakpo, DE/LB
14. New Orleans Saints - Malcolm Jenkins, CB
15. Houston Texans - Brian Cushing, LB

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 05:58 PM
Browns have traded down again trading their pick to the Buccaneers

JayBruceFan
04-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Kansas St. QB Josh Freeman to the Buccaneers

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 06:11 PM
For the 3rd time the Browns trade down this time to the Eagles

Root Down
04-25-2009, 06:17 PM
The Browns are going to have a huge second day.

BearcatShane
04-25-2009, 06:26 PM
Great pick for Cleveland.

redsfanmia
04-25-2009, 06:26 PM
I hope Nicks or Jeria (sp?) fall to my Colts.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 06:27 PM
That is a great pick for the Browns. I am hoping the Bengals can land one of the other big centers left in that draft in the 2nd round.

Buckeye33
04-25-2009, 06:48 PM
I like the Dolphins pick of Vontae Davis. He seems to have some off field issues, but he is a stud on the field.

I don't like how his brother is trying to make out with him though ..

WVRed
04-25-2009, 06:54 PM
I think the Andre Smith pick is pretty telling, especially with Eugene Monroe still on the board.

Andre Smith is a prototypical RT (think Willie Anderson). Doesn't have the height to start at LT, but could also move inside to guard in the future. Levi Jones is going to be at LT.

Right now, I would give anything to see the Bengals move up for Rey Maualuga.

WVRed
04-25-2009, 06:58 PM
The future of the Cincinnati Bengals, Andre Smith:

http://new.kentuckysportsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/andresmith1.jpg

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:03 PM
Colts picked RB Donald Brown at #27

RB Beanie Wells still hasn't been picked

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:05 PM
C Eric Wood is now gone
Bills picked him at #28

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:05 PM
Eric Wood to the Bills. Max Unger is still left and he could go to Pittsburgh.

Beanie to the Bengals?:thumbdown

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:05 PM
Another of the centers Wood just went to the Bills. The chances of the Bengals getting a center in round 2 are getting slim.

Benihana
04-25-2009, 07:06 PM
Especially with Wood off the board, the Bengals MUST trade up and get either Rey Maleuga or Beanie Wells. It would cost a 4th round pick at most (to move up nine spots here.) The Bengals have an extra 4th rounder they could easily shed to get either of these premier players.

Of course, being the Bengals, they won't.

Newport Red
04-25-2009, 07:07 PM
Eric Wood to the Bills. Max Unger is still left and he could go to Pittsburgh.

Beanie to the Bengals?:thumbdown

Oh Gawd. I see a skill position.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:13 PM
It looks like Geoff Hobson had a Crabtree article ready if Andre Smith wasn't available at #6




Bengals catch Crabtree

GEOFF HOBSON
Posted Apr 25, 2009


The Bengals opted for the man many believe to be the top offensive player in Saturday's NFL Draft when they took Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree with the sixth pick.

With their leading options at tackle apparently gone in the first five selections and unable to trade out, the Bengals stayed on offense to grab the 6-1, 215-pound Crabtree, viewed by several analysts as the lone No. 1 receiver in the draft. The date of Crabtree's availability is in question as he recovers from March surgery for a stress fracture in his foot, so it's not a given that the move automatically ends the Bengals career of Chad Ochocinco.

Crabtree, a red-shirt sophomore, drew comparisons to big, game-breaking Pro Bowlers Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson during the scouting process. In his two seasons in the run-and-shoot offense, Crabtree caught more than 200 balls and scored 40 touchdowns while being named the nation's top receiver in both seasons.

Blake Beddingfield, scouting coordinator for the Tennessee Titans, had this recent exchange with a Milwaukee newspaper:
"He's got rare wide-receiver skills. Not rare speed or rare size. Just rare receiving skills."
Could Crabtree bust?
"Only way he would bust out would be if he had an injury."


http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/bengals-catch-crabtree/8749ef80-9a4c-462d-a54a-f96b8fa81039

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:15 PM
Looks like Beanie may be headed to Tennessee

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:15 PM
Looks like Beanie may be headed to Tennessee

Don't they already have Chris Johnson and Lendale White?

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:19 PM
Forget that. Beanie is not going to the Titans. It didn't really make sense but usually when you see a player on the phone that close to a pick that is where they are going.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:21 PM
I could see the Cardinals drafting Wells since James wants out.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:28 PM
Cardinals picked Beanie Wells at #31

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:31 PM
Steelers just took Hood a DT from Missouri with the last pick in the 1st round. Quick first round is done in just 3 and half hours.

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:34 PM
Louis Delmas to the Lions.

I'm betting the Pats take Maualuga or Laurianitis.

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:36 PM
Nevermind, Patrick Chung to the Pats.

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:40 PM
Laurianitis to the Rams.

redsfandan
04-25-2009, 07:40 PM
For the 3rd time the Browns trade down this time to the Eagles
Busy 1st round for the Brownies.

1st Trade
Browns receive:
DE Kenyon Coleman
QB Brett Ratliff
DB Abram Elam
2009 first-round pick (No. 17)
2009 second-round pick (No. 52)

Jets receive:
2009 first-round pick (No. 5): Mark Sanchez


2nd Trade
Browns receive:
2009 first-round pick (No. 19)
2009 sixth-round pick (No. 191)

Bucaneers receive:
2009 first-round pick (No. 17): Josh Freeman


3rd Trade
Browns receive:
2009 first-round pick (No. 21)
2009 sixth-round pick (No. 195)

Eagles receive:
2009 first-round pick (No. 19): Jeremy Maclin

Net result
Browns took the 5th pick and turned it into:
a center (Alex Mack),
a defensive lineman (Kenyon Coleman),
a defensive back (Abram Elam),
a 2nd round pick this year,
two 6th round picks this year,
and a backup qb (Brett Ratliff).

The future of the Cincinnati Bengals, Andre Smith:

I really didn't need to see that.

By the way, the pats have 4 picks in the 2nd round now. I don't think they'll fall anytime soon. :(

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:41 PM
Laurinitis just went to the Rams

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:42 PM
Just 2 more picks before the Bengals 2nd pick. Hopefully Unger or Maulaga is still around

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Just 2 more picks before the Bengals 2nd pick. Hopefully Unger or Maulaga is still around

If Cleveland doesn't take Maualuga, I think he will be there barring trade. Seattle has Tatupu at MLB so Rey isn't a necessity.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Browns pick Brian Robiskie

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Brownies take Robiskie.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:45 PM
Browns just took Robiske the WR from OSU. So one of those players I mentioned will be around for the Bengals.

sonny
04-25-2009, 07:45 PM
I like Wells in Arizona.

FYI - I still have yet to hear about any team taking RedsFanatic

heres hopin'

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:47 PM
The Bengals will have a shot at some DEs at pick #36 or someone like McCoy if they want a RB.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:48 PM
Broncos just traded for pick #35

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:48 PM
Broncos just traded up for the Seahawks pick

guttle11
04-25-2009, 07:50 PM
We have to take Unger, right?

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:51 PM
Unger would be my pick though I wouldn't be too upset with Maualaga.

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:51 PM
Seattle trades their pick to Denver for Alphonso Smith. Please Mike Brown, take Rey Maualuga or Max Unger. Anything else will be epic fail.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 07:58 PM
Bengals got Maualuga

dsmith421
04-25-2009, 07:58 PM
Oooh, I like this.

WVRed
04-25-2009, 07:58 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rey Maualuga is a Bengal!

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 07:59 PM
I like the pick too. I would have never ever guessed that Maualuga would be around for that 2nd pick.

guttle11
04-25-2009, 07:59 PM
I can dig Maualuga. A good center will be around in the 3rd.

Redhook
04-25-2009, 08:02 PM
I am absolutely thrilled right now. What a great first day for the Bengals! I am shocked they got Rey. Wow!

I'm hoping for Luigs, C from Arkansas, in the 3rd.

KoryMac5
04-25-2009, 08:04 PM
If you would have told me last week that Maualuga would be on the board when the Bengals picked in the 2nd round I would have thought you were crazy. Great pick for the Bengals snatching him up. Nothing to argue about with the first two picks, both quality guys who will give the team a boost of talent.

George Foster
04-25-2009, 08:04 PM
I like the pick too. I would have never ever guessed that Maualuga would be around for that 2nd pick.

the guys on TV said the same thing. They said he does miss some tackles. Great pic by the Bengals!!!:thumbup:

GIDP
04-25-2009, 08:06 PM
Great pick for the Bengals. I'm pretty excited to just know that him and Rivers will be able to flow pretty good together once they get on the field.

Great draft so far. Lets just see if Unger falls to them some how later in the draft and it would be a perfect 1st day.

George Foster
04-25-2009, 08:06 PM
who did the bengals get for their 2nd pick in the 1st round? or did they have a 2nd pick?

WMR
04-25-2009, 08:07 PM
I've wanted Rey for over a year now.

Freaking awesome first two picks.

Solid A from me.

CTA513
04-25-2009, 08:08 PM
who did the bengals get for their 2nd pick in the 1st round? or did they have a 2nd pick?

They only had 1 pick in the 1st round
They have 2 picks in the 3rd round

GIDP
04-25-2009, 08:11 PM
I'm shocked Rey was even there thats so amazing. Things like this doesnt happen to the bengals. I was really sweating it when the Broncos traded up I thought for sure they were going to take him. I'm pumped up pretty much.

redsfandan
04-25-2009, 08:13 PM
All of a sudden I'm interested in how the bengals will look in the preseason again.

George Foster
04-25-2009, 08:14 PM
They only had 1 pick in the 1st round
They have 2 picks in the 3rd round

thanks!!! We need a center! and maybe a good TE for Palmer to pass too!

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:16 PM
thanks!!! We need a center! and maybe a good TE for Palmer to pass too!
Bengals are done for today after a great day 1. Tomorrow they have 9 picks. 2 3rd round, 1 4th round, 1 5th round, 2 6th round and 3 7th round picks

KoryMac5
04-25-2009, 08:16 PM
I think a lot of us have been waiting 15-20 yrs for the Bengals to get a player that would be the face of the defense. I feel with this pick we can say that the Bengals have that guy.

GIDP
04-25-2009, 08:19 PM
I think a lot of us have been waiting 15-20 yrs for the Bengals to get a player that would be the face of the defense. I feel with this pick we can say that the Bengals have that guy.

For once we are putting a true ILB on the field. We have been fitting OLB guys as ILB for years.

WVRed
04-25-2009, 08:23 PM
I've wanted Rey for over a year now.

Freaking awesome first two picks.

Solid A from me.

Same here.

Would have been an A+ if they would have taken Monroe over Smith, but I can't complain. Smith fits better.

*BaseClogger*
04-25-2009, 08:27 PM
Smith fits better.

It's one of the only things Smith fits into... :p:

WVRed
04-25-2009, 08:29 PM
Pat White goes to Miami.

Eh, better than New England.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:29 PM
Pat White just went to the Dolphins

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:35 PM
Connor Barwin of UC just went to the Texans

WVRed
04-25-2009, 08:39 PM
Michael Mitchell (CB-Ohio) just went to the Raiders.

Is there a more inept franchise in the NFL right now?

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:41 PM
Michael Mitchell (CB-Ohio) just went to the Raiders.

Is there a more inept franchise in the NFL right now?

Never a good sign when you draft a player in the 2nd round that the NFL draft tracker does not even have a scouting report, height or weight for the player

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:44 PM
Kiper had Mitchell ranked as the 73rd best safety. What are the Raiders doing?

CTA513
04-25-2009, 08:45 PM
Kiper had Mitchell ranked as the 73rd best safety. What are the Raiders doing?

Is he fast?
If so thats probably why they picked him

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Is he fast?
If so thats probably why they picked him
Hard to say since they have no highlights and there is not even a speed listed for him in the notes the NFL puts out for the media.

Eric_the_Red
04-25-2009, 08:46 PM
I know it would require being creative, something the Bengals have never been accused of, but I would like to see them try to package some of their day 2 picks and trade up to get Unger.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:49 PM
Unger just went to the Seahawks.

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:52 PM
Browns just took another WR Mohammed Masoquoi from Georgia

Newport Red
04-25-2009, 08:53 PM
Pat White goes to Miami.

Eh, better than New England.

How does the Wildcat offense evolve!!

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 08:59 PM
Cowboys were supposed to pick but they passed

Reds Fanatic
04-25-2009, 09:00 PM
Actually it was just a mistake they didn't pass they traded the pick

Chip R
04-25-2009, 09:05 PM
The future of the Cincinnati Bengals, Andre Smith:

http://new.kentuckysportsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/andresmith1.jpg


He looks like that dude from Old School. :lol:

If I were a Bengals fan, I'd be worried about this guy considering the shenanigans he pulled at the Combine. I believe he is a kind of kid that needs to be pushed in order to excel. Some organizations will do that. The Bengals are not one of those organizations.

sonny
04-25-2009, 09:24 PM
He looks like that dude from Old School. :lol:

If I were a Bengals fan, I'd be worried about this guy considering the shenanigans he pulled at the Combine. I believe he is a kind of kid that needs to be pushed in order to excel. Some organizations will do that. The Bengals are not one of those organizations.

Remain calm. All is well.;)

CTA513
04-25-2009, 09:27 PM
Hard to say since they have no highlights and there is not even a speed listed for him in the notes the NFL puts out for the media.

People on the Raiders forum are saying he was a projected 7th round pick.

:ughmamoru

HeatherC1212
04-25-2009, 09:34 PM
I like both picks so far and I hope the Bengals keep up with this whole 'being smart' thing for their picks tomorrow. I can't believe Rey was still there for them in the second round! Wow. That's surprising but it works for me. :D It's really awesome that they took good picks today and that they're not the team being made fun of by the media. That has to be a first, LOL :laugh:

OesterPoster
04-25-2009, 09:37 PM
Solid A from me as well. Mack was the center I really wanted, if he was there in the 2nd. Since he was gone, I wasn't quite as enamored with the other centers. Getting Rey in the 2nd round is unbelievable. Woulda been awesome to somehow trade something (Ocho Stinko) to pick up another 2nd round pick. There was some really good value in those picks through the top half of the 2nd round.

CrackerJack
04-25-2009, 10:09 PM
No complaints here, just hope they don't have trouble signing them and there aren't long hold outs. That may be a real concern with both picks and the Bengals' style, guess we'll see.

I do know that these two players should immediately make them a better team, and have a ripple effect on both sides of the ball.

It's still important for them to address the interior o-line, and not with another Eric G type. They need another solid upgrade there in a bad, bad way, either at G or C.

Newport Red
04-25-2009, 10:13 PM
People on the Raiders forum are saying he was a projected 7th round pick.

:ughmamoru

Power corrupts. Wait until Mike reaches his senile years.

Redhook
04-25-2009, 10:30 PM
Power corrupts. Wait until Mike reaches his senile years.

Oh dear god. We're not there yet? It could get worse?

MasonBuzz3
04-25-2009, 10:35 PM
Is he fast?
If so thats probably why they picked him

4.4 40 at the OU Pro Day...but still horrible reach

has some highlight vids on youtube, kid can definitely hit...but still a project pick for sure

BuckeyeRedleg
04-25-2009, 11:11 PM
For once, I'm happy with the Bengals 1st day picks.

Very excited about the Maualuga pick. Why did he drop?

WVRed
04-25-2009, 11:21 PM
Two players I would like to see in round 3:

Michael Johnson (DE-Georgia Tech)
Antonine Caldwell (C-Alabama)

WMR
04-26-2009, 12:10 AM
For once, I'm happy with the Bengals 1st day picks.

Very excited about the Maualuga pick. Why did he drop?

I think he was available when he was for 2 reasons:

1) several teams REACHED (RAIDERS)

2) This draft has lots of talent that is similarly grouped on lots of teams draft boards for the mid 1st through mid to late 2nd round.

BearcatShane
04-26-2009, 02:01 AM
I am EXTATIC about the Bengals day 1 draft picks. Andre Smith can be dominat and Rey M can be excellent on for the defence. I'm excited for the season now. I'd like to grab Shonn Grene out of Iowa with one of the third round picks.

LoganBuck
04-26-2009, 05:51 AM
If you had told me on Christmas Day that the Bengals would draft both Andre Smith and Rey Maualuga, I would have laughed at you. They got the two most physical players at positions of need in the draft.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 07:33 AM
I dont know how anyone can be upset about how this turned out so far. both of these guys are exactly what we should have been targeting and we were lucky to get both. I certainly would feel better about Rey and Andre than I would have about Andre and a Center.

We needed a guy that has the ability to play a MLB in the NFL pretty badly.

Redhook
04-26-2009, 08:32 AM
Two players I would like to see in round 3:

Michael Johnson (DE-Georgia Tech)
Antonine Caldwell (C-Alabama)

Yes. To both. Any chance we could get both? I think I'd draft Johnson first and hope for Caldwell to drop. If they can't get Caldwell they could get Luigs or another decent center.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 09:41 AM
The Raiders pick is like the Jerome Simpson pick from last year.

The Raiders are the organization that drafted a punter in the 1st round......but that was back when Al was a real good mad genius and he could get away with doing that.

I am all for the Alabama Center in round 3.......then a good pass rushing DE or more depth at CB.

WVRed
04-26-2009, 09:45 AM
The Raiders pick is like the Jerome Simpson pick from last year.

The Raiders are the organization that drafted a punter in the 1st round......but that was back when Al was a real good mad genius and he could get away with doing that.

I am all for the Alabama Center in round 3.......then a good pass rushing DE or more depth at CB.

It was a kicker I believe, Sebastian Janikowski.

I wouldn't compare it to Jerome Simpson. Simpson was projected on many mock boards as a third round pick. It was a bad pick, but nowhere on par with Mitchell. As for anything the Bengals ever did, it's as bad as the TE they drafted who smoked, was out of shape, can't remember his name though.

Another one I would be happy with in the third round is DJ Moore from Vanderbilt. Watched him in SEC play this year and the guy has some versatility to his game. Played DB, WR, and special teams.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 10:05 AM
Sean Brewer. Yeah...one of the great picks...like Freddie Childress in 1989 .a Guard who was cut in camp after being drafted 2nd or 3rd?


Ray Guy in 1973 was who i really meant.....AL has not been sane since about maybe 1990.

WVRed
04-26-2009, 10:29 AM
Bengals are on the clock:

Any one of:
Antonie Caldwell
Michael Johnson
DJ Moore

WVRed
04-26-2009, 10:33 AM
And the pick is Michael Johnson.

When did Mike Brown receive a brain transplant?

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 10:33 AM
Another great pick for the Bengals. They got Michael Johnson the DE from Georgia Tech

cincrazy
04-26-2009, 10:39 AM
I'm speechless. This has to be some kind of accident.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 10:40 AM
Here is the scouting report on Johnson from NFL.com


Michael Johnson (DE)
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 266
College: Georgia Tech
Conference: ACC
Hometown: Selma, AL
High School: Dallas County
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Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 4.75 seconds
Bench Press : 28.0 reps
Vertical Jump : 38.5 inches
Broad Jump : 128.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 7.42 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.37 seconds


Selected by: Cincinnati Bengals
Round: 3
Pick (Overall): 6 (70)
Discuss Overview
After waiting three seasons for his opportunity, Johnson took over right defensive end chores as a senior, going on to earn All-American and All-Atlantic Coast Conference honors. Even though he started just fifteen games during tenure with the Yellow Jackets, he closed out his career with 19.0 quarterback sacks and 30.5 tackles behind the line of scrimmage.



Johnson used a burst of closing speed and long wingspan to force 10 fumbles, including three in each of his last three seasons. He also used his reach and leaping ability to block a total of three field goals as a junior and senior.



One of the nation's premier tight ends during his playing days at Dallas County High School, Johnson was team captain, earning Most Valuable Player honors during his senior campaign. That season, he caught 42 passes for 650 yards and six touchdowns while making 92 tackles and 14 sacks. He also had 25 receptions for 300 yards and three touchdowns as a junior. In addition to football, he was also an outstanding basketball player and averaged 16 points and 10 rebounds as a junior.



Johnson enrolled at Georgia Tech in 2005 as one of eight true freshmen to letter. The reserve defensive end saw action in 11 games, recording six tackles (five solo), but also caused a fumble for the kickoff-coverage team and registered his first career sack vs. Virginia Tech.



Playing as a No. 2 right defensive end, Johnson appeared in the team's final 12 games in 2006, missing the first two contests after suffering a neck stinger in August camp. He replaced an injured Oliver vs. Georgia, earning his first career start. He came up with 34 tackles (25 solo), finishing second on the squad with five quarterback sacks. He added six tackles behind the line of scrimmage, including three that resulted in forced fumbles.



Johnson saw considerable action coming off the bench in the team's passing situation package in 2007. He only started one game, but totaled 21 tacklers (11 solo). That included four sacks and six stops for losses. He recovered one of the three fumbles he caused and blocked a pair of field goals, including one in the waning moments vs. North Carolina.



The consensus All-Atlantic Coast Conference selection was also named to the American Football Coaches Association All-American first-team in 2008. Serving as one of three team captains, he led the squad sand placed third in the ACC with nine sacks and 17.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage. For the third-straight season, he caused three fumbles and also deflected seven passes while returning his first career interception 26 yards for a touchdown.


High School
Attended Dallas County (Selma, Ala.) High School, playing football for head coach Richard Bush...Rated the seventh-best tight end in the country and the second-best overall prospect in Alabama by Scout.com...Served as team captain, earning Most Valuable Player honors during his senior campaign...That season, he caught 42 passes for 650 yards and six touchdowns while making 92 tackles and 14 sacks...Also had 25 receptions for 300 yards and three touchdowns as a junior...An outstanding basketball player, who averaged 16 points and 10 rebounds as a junior.



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Analysis
Positives: Rare athleticism for the position, making a switch to outside linebacker possible at the next level. Lanky, athletic frame with room for considerable growth. Gained upper- and lower-body strength in his senior year and flashed the ability to bull rush tackles into the backfield. Takes advantage of his long arms to keep distance between he and the pass blocker. Able to keep tackles off his knees to avoid the cut block. Locates the ball quickly and can re-direct his charge. Good lateral agility and balance. Good straight-line speed. Accelerates quickly and has legitimate closing ability. Flashes the ability to punch, rip off and back up tackles using his length and increasing strength. Able to drop quickly, handle coverage responsibilities in the flat and has the hands to break up or intercept balls thrown in his area. Reads quarterback's eyes to get hands in passing lanes. Able to force fumbles during sacks and in the open field using his arm length.



Negatives: Is still an unfinished product and needs to be more consistent in his technique and effort. Might be relegated to a role as pass-rush specialist until he gains strength and bulk. Too often relies on his speed to the outside to generate his pass rush, losing all gap responsibility. Inconsistent in his explosiveness off the ball and as a tackler. Has the speed and length to make life difficult for NFL tackles but must give more constant effort. Washed out when blockers (even smaller tight ends) get into his pads; his height is a detriment in these situations. Tendency to stand around instead of chasing plays. Johnson has struggled with various injuries over his career.



Compares To: SIMEON RICE, ex-Tampa Bay -- Johnson has a lanky, wiry frame that gets him in trouble on running plays, on which he can't sink his pads well enough to prevent double teams from washing him out. Also like Rice, he seems too enamored with making the sack and will forget a lot of his other assignments, especially gap responsibility. Some "experts" compare him to the Giants' Mathias Kiwanuka or even to Julius Peppers -- neither comparison can be further from reality. Johnson's game isn't well-rounded. Johnson disappears for long stretches and that shouldn't happen for a player with his athletic ability and rare-sized frame. His physical attributes are what a team is going to drool over when they take him much earlier than his production indicates he should go on draft day.

WVRed
04-26-2009, 10:40 AM
Should point out, just like Rey Maualuga, Michael Johnson was considered a mid to late first round pick as well.

Great value picks at positions of need for Cincinnati.

WVRed
04-26-2009, 10:41 AM
Rey Maualuga is being compared to Bill Romanowski, FWIW.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 10:47 AM
But can the Bengals ...coach him up? Like everyone is saying needs to be done.

They seem to have a problem actually coaching some if not a lot of players.....that looked good on draft day.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 10:48 AM
Here is Michael Johnson highlight video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKWDGf5-Hc

WVRed
04-26-2009, 10:54 AM
But can the Bengals ...coach him up? Like everyone is saying needs to be done.

They seem to have a problem actually coaching some if not a lot of players.....that looked good on draft day.

IMO, this is where Marvin Lewis will find himself on the hot seat this season.

He has always been a defensive coach and now he actually has some talent to work with. Add Tank Johnson, who they signed as a free agent, to the players the Bengals have drafted and this offseason has been pretty impressive.

If the Bengals do not improve, it will be because of Marvin's inability to coach up these players, and could result in him hitting the unemployment line.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 10:56 AM
Caldwell just went to the Texans.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 10:58 AM
Caldwell just went to the Texans.

There is still one decent 3rd round caliber center out there right?

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 11:00 AM
I do not trust MB to even think about firing ML until his contract is up. He refuses to eat any money...if he can.

I did not think anyone else needed a center.....that stinks. Wish Chad been traded for a 2nd and a 5th ...or something in that range.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 11:02 AM
There is still one decent 3rd round caliber center out there right?
Probably the next highest ranked center would be A.Q. Shipley from Penn State

GIDP
04-26-2009, 11:03 AM
Johnson is a big guy who seems good but he also pretty much sucks at doing anything besides running past someone. Justin Smith type who once a block gets on him he wont be able to get off it.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 11:06 AM
Johnson is a big guy who seems good but he also pretty much sucks at doing anything besides running past someone. Justin Smith type who once a block gets on him he wont be able to get off it.

The man can jump though. He seems to have a pretty good idea where the ball is but seems to have over pursuit problems based on that video. Pretty common problem for young defensive players.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 11:08 AM
The man can jump though. He seems to have a pretty good idea where the ball is but seems to have over pursuit problems based on that video. Pretty common problem for young defensive players.

Yea for a 3rd rounder I dont have a problem with picking the best player available and trying to mold him some more.

Hes big and strong enough to do a lot of things on the field its just he fell because he never really figured out that some times you cant just push past people.

WVRed
04-26-2009, 11:17 AM
Yea for a 3rd rounder I dont have a problem with picking the best player available and trying to mold him some more.

Hes big and strong enough to do a lot of things on the field its just he fell because he never really figured out that some times you cant just push past people.

I think if I am Marvin I would do to Michael Johnson what Rick Pitino did to some of UK's recruits. Put them on an all-protein diet to get them to bulk up. Egg McMuffin's for breakfast every morning, protein drinks two to three times a day, etc.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 11:27 AM
I think if I am Marvin I would do to Michael Johnson what Rick Pitino did to some of UK's recruits. Put them on an all-protein diet to get them to bulk up. Egg McMuffin's for breakfast every morning, protein drinks two to three times a day, etc.
Yea no doubt the dude needs to add some weight on somewhere. He has smaller hips than some hollywood actresses

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 12:02 PM
Johnson is a beast. I love that pick. Did anyone see his field goal block against Mississippi State? I know it's ridiculous, but if he doesn't pan out at DE (and I'm not saying he will/won't), I wonder if we could see him as a field goal-blocking specialist.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 12:06 PM
Bengals pick Chase Coffman TE from Missouri with their other 3rd round pick

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 12:07 PM
A scouting report on Coffman from NFL.com


Chase Coffman (TE)
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 244
College: Missouri
Conference: Big 12
Hometown: Peculiar, MO
High School: Raymore-Peculiar
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Coffman emerged as the elite pass-catching tight end in the college ranks during his senior year. A team-first athlete, he willingly shared playing time with Martin Rucker during his first three seasons, as they teamed to form college football's best 1-2 punch at the tight end position. That duo accounted for 341 receptions for 3,584 yards and 34 touchdowns during those three seasons, which was 35.45 percent of the team's receptions (962), 33.55 percent of the squad's receiving yardage (10,681) and 43.59 percent of its touchdown catches (78) during that span.



The Tiger would only start 20 of 50 games for Missouri, but his 247 receptions shattered the NCAA career record for tight ends, surpassing the previous mark of 217 catches by Ibn Green of Louisville (1996-99). Despite missing two games with a toe injury that would hamper him in his final three contests, he tied the NCAA single-season record for tight ends with 90 receptions, equaling a mark first set by James Whalen of Kentucky in 1999. He would also shatter the school career record with 30 touchdown catches, the sixth-best total in Big 12 Conference history.



Coming from a football family, Coffman, the oldest of Paul and Amy's four children, spurned numerous collage scholarship offers to enroll at Missouri, including one from his father's school, Kansas State. Paul led KSU in scoring and was an Academic All-Big Eight Conference selection in 1977. He went on to star as a tight end for Green Bay (1978-85), earning two Pro Bowl invites before concluding his career at Kansas City (1986-87). Chase's younger brother, Carson, followed his father, enrolling at Kansas State (2006-present), where he serves as a reserve quarter-back.



At Raymore-Peculiar High School, Coffman was rated the nation's fourth-best tight end by Super Prep, which also rated him the state of Missouri's seventh-best overall prospect. He was ranked third overall in the state by Rivals.com and was the recipient of the 2004 Simone Award, which is given annually to the top player in the Kansas City metro area.



He also earned first-team All-State honors for three consecutive seasons, and was a two-time All-District and All-Conference pick.



As a senior, Coffman teamed with his younger brother, Carson, the squad's starting quarterback, to set numerous state receiving records. Along the way, he helped lead the team to the Class V state championship during an undefeated 2004 season (13-0 record).



That season, Coffman was named Conference Player of the Year after catching 41 passes for 886 yards and 16 touchdowns. He snared three balls for 56 yards and a touchdown in the state title game, including a 14-yarder in the third quarter that effectively put the game out of reach as the team went on to a 37-18 win over McCluer North High.



As a junior, Coffman added 50 receptions for 817 yards and 13 scores. In his first varsity season, he collected 39 catches for 611 yards and 11 touchdowns as a sophomore. He also lettered three times in basketball, earning first-team All-Conference honors in hoops in 2003-04.



Coffman turned down scholarship offers from Kansas State, Iowa, Nebraska, Florida,



Michigan State, UCLA and Kansas, among others, to enroll at Missouri, where the 210-pounder was recruited as a tight end/defensive back.



In 2005, he was named Freshman All-American first-team, as he tied for the team lead with 47 receptions for 503 yards (10.7 avg) and four touchdowns, despite starting just one game. He posted 31 first-down catches, including converting eight third-down plays. In addition to his four scoring grabs, he had key receptions that set up eight other touchdown drives and five more that ended with field goals. He also recorded four solo tackles on the punt coverage squad.



In 2006, Coffman was a second-team All-Big 12 Conference choice. He won the team's Receiver of the Year and Hammer (most blocks) Award. Even though he started just five times in 13 contests, he led the team and ranked fourth among the nation's tight ends with a then school single-season record for tight ends of 58 catches, good for 638 yards (11.0 avg). His nine touchdown grabs set another Missouri tight end season mark. Thirty-six of his catches were good for first downs, with 12 coming off third-down grabs. He had 29 grabs for more than 10 yards and in addition to his nine scores, he set up 11 other touchdown drives.



The Mackey Award semifinalist was bothered late in the year by an ankle injury that required surgery after the 2007 season. He still finished third on the squad with 52 catches for 531 yards (10.2 avg) and seven touchdowns. Twenty-five of those grabs were for 10 yards or longer, as he also had key receptions on 10 other touchdown drives and five series that ended with field goals. He closed out the year with 32 first downs, converting 14 third-down plays and another on fourth down.



As a senior, Coffman missed the Kansas State and Iowa State games with a hyper-extension of his left great toe. He still tied the NCAA single-season record for tight ends with a school annual record 90 receptions, good for 987 yards and 10 touchdowns, adding to his Tiger career record of 30 scoring grabs. The consensus All-American and unanimous All-Big 12 Conference first-team choice also earned the Mackey Award, given to the nation's premier tight end.


High School
Attended Raymore-Peculiar (Peculiar, Mo.) High School, playing football for head coach Tom Kruse...Rated the nation's fourth-best tight end by Super Prep, who also rated him the state of Missouri's seventh-best overall prospect...Ranked third overall in the state by Rivals.com and was the recipient of the 2004 Simone Award, which is given annually to the top player in the Kansas City metro area...Earned first-team All-State honors for three consecutive seasons, and was a two-time All-District and All-Conference pick...As a senior, Coffman teamed with his younger brother, Carson, the squad's starting quarterback, to set numerous state receiving records...Along the way, he helped lead the team to the Class V state championship during an undefeated 2004 season (13-0 record)...That season, he was named Conference Player of the Year after catching 41 passes for 886 yards and 16 touchdowns...Snared three balls for 56 yards and a touchdown in the state title game, including a 14-yarder in the third quarter that effectively put the game out of reach as the team went on to a 37-18 win over McCluer North High...As a junior, Coffman added 50 receptions for 817 yards and 13 scores...In his first varsity season, he collected 39 catches for 611 yards and 11 touchdowns as a sophomore...Also lettered three times in basketball, earning first-team All-Conference honors in hoops in 2003-04...Graduated with a 3.3 grade point average.



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Analysis
Positives: Rare size potential for the position. Athletic enough to line up in a variety of positions, including split out wide, in motion or along the line of scrimmage. Good initial quickness off the snap. Has the lateral agility to avoid the jam at the line and get a clean release into his route. Uses his hands well in this area to break free from defenders when initially challenged. Good lateral quickness and body control to gain separation from defenders. Good balance and body control to make the acrobatic reception with defenders draped over him. Can make the tough catch in traffic and looks to get upfield to gain extra yardage. Reliable hands. Generally looks the ball into his hands to make the secure reception, but will trap the ball against his body when he anticipates a big hit. More physical as a blocker than you'd expect for a tight end split wide as often as he is. Provides a good initial jolt to the defender when blocking and gives good effort to sustain his blocks. Emerged as a standout as a true freshman. Good bloodlines. Father, Paul Coffman, was an NFL tight end for 10 years.



Negatives: Only marginal straight-line speed. Not a true deep seam threat. Flashes the physicality and toughness scouts want in a downfield blocker, but rarely blocks from a traditional three-point stance. Legitimate durability concerns following repeated foot injuries the past two seasons. Struggled for much of his senior season with turf toe and broke the fifth metatarsal in his left bone on the final play of the Alama Bowl. Played through recurring bone spurs as a junior that eventually resulted in corrective surgery in the offseason. Was not able to work out at the combine or at Missouri's pro day following surgery to fix the left foot.



Compares To: HEATH MILLER, Pittsburgh -- Whether used in the classic tight end position or in motion, one thing is evident - Coffman has the natural hands and RAC ability to gain big yardage once he gets the ball in his hands. He has outstanding size, arm extension and balance to go along with good strength to break tackles. He shows great body control adjusting to off-target throws and flashes good aggression as a blocker. With Martin Rucker having graduated, Coffman emerged as the team's featured target in 2008 until he was injured late in the year. The foot surgery has set back his workouts for teams, making it possible that he will be drafted lower than his scouting report indicates.


Injury Report
2007: Originally tweaked his right ankle during the Oklahoma game (10/13), nursing the injury for the next several games...Re-injured the ankle when a defender rolled on him early in the Kansas (11/24) clash...Forced to wear a protective boot, missing the following game vs. Oklahoma (second meeting) in the Big 12 title contest...Underwent surgery after the Cotton Bowl (1/08/08) to remove bone chips and calcium deposits, undergoing rehabilitation for the next two months.



2008: Sat out the Kansas State (11/08) and Iowa State (11/15) games with a left great toe sprain and hyperextension. Was forced to wear a protective boot for several weeks and played with a noticeable limp in his final three contests.



2009: Underwent surgery on his left big toe on Jan. 9 after he re-injured his foot. Doctors diagnosed his recent injury as a Jones fracture. Coffman stated that he suffered the injury on the last offensive play of the Alamo Bowl (12/31) vs. Northwestern, breaking the fifth metatarsal on his left foot. Recovery from the surgery forced Coffman to sit out the combine workouts and Missouri's pro day.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 12:07 PM
Not liking that pick too much.

guttle11
04-26-2009, 12:07 PM
As long as they take a center and get highly rated players on the board the rest of the way, knee-jerk reaction says this will have been a great draft.

OesterPoster
04-26-2009, 12:10 PM
At some point, don't we need someone who snaps the ball? I like all the picks thus far, but I'm getting a bit perplexed about the lack of a center.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 12:11 PM
The people on ESPN really liked that Coffman pick. Apparently the main reason he went this low was the broken toe he suffered in the Alamo Bowl but he is a good pass catching TE.

LoganBuck
04-26-2009, 12:12 PM
Not liking that pick too much.

When Coffman plays, he is a terrific redzone weapon. When in the training room not so much. I would rather have had Travis Beckum. Who just went to the Giants

BearcatShane
04-26-2009, 12:13 PM
Maybe the centers that were there at 98 will be there later in the draft. I can't blame them for taking Rey M over Unger and I can't blame them for taking Johnson over Caldwell because this team could definately use a pass rusher. I love this draft so far.

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 12:20 PM
I don't love the pick, but I like it. Even though he doesn't have excellent speed, he always manages to find a way to get open, and he's a big target. His blocking leaves a bit to be desired, but his pass-catching skills should do enough to compensate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFWkDnjN4bk

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 12:21 PM
Some reports on Ray M.....have come up that show he is a free lancer....which i guess if you are like Junior Seau is okay....but i do not know if this fits into the system Zimmer has.

He also scored a 15 on the wunder...whatever you call it. I know that does not mean he cannot play football...i just think it means he is not exactly much for studying the playbook.

Redhook
04-26-2009, 12:27 PM
I love the Chase Coffman pick. He's a very good TE. I've seen him play live multiple times. He'll be a great target for Palmer. He's big, athletic, and has great hands. Not a great blocker, but that's something he can learn.

If the Bengals draft Jonathan Luigs, C, from Arkansas with this next pick it will be nearly a perfect draft. Let's hope for that Center.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 12:33 PM
Another great pick for the Bengals: Jonathan Luigs C from Arkansas is the 4th round pick

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 12:33 PM
Scouting report on Luigs from NFL.com


Jonathan Luigs (C)
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 301
College: Arkansas
Conference: SEC
Hometown: Little Rock, AR
High School: Pulaski Academy
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Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 5.14 seconds
Bench Press : 26.0 reps
Vertical Jump : 31.0 inches
Broad Jump : 99.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 7.69 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.4 seconds


Much like the Pac-10 Conference, where California's Alex Mack and Oregon's Max Unger battled for the title of that league's premier center, Luigs had a similar situation, as he and Alabama's Antoine Caldwell split All-Southeastern Conference first-team honors over their last three seasons. While the Pac-10 duo is known for their physicality, the SEC tandem is known more for their quickness and field savvy.



The two-time All-American was a three-time finalist for the Rimington Trophy, given to the nation's top center. He captured that honor as a junior and has been the centerpiece of the Razorback's front wall, compiling a string of 49 consecutive starts, every game he appeared in at Arkansas. He has also excelled in the classroom, as he was a member of the school's Academic Honor Roll in each of his last four seasons.



At Pulaski Academy, Luigs was a three-year starter on the offensive line, lining up at center and offensive tackle, as well as defensive end. He was named to the Associated Press Arkansas Super Team and the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette All-Arkansas team as a senior, adding All-Metro squad honors as a junior. He was also a member of the National Honor Society.



Luigs was the 2003 recipient of the Brandon Burlsworth Award, named after the former Razorback All-American offensive guard. Super Prep rated him as the 12th-best overall prospect in Arkansas while The Morning News had him rated 14th. In each of his three varsity seasons, he graded at least 90 percent for blocking consistency.



As a senior, Luigs capped his prep career by helping his squad win its first state title (Class 3A) in school history with a 13-2 mark. As a junior defensive tackle, he recorded 77 tackles (26 solos), four sacks, three more stops for losses of 30 yards and two pressures.



Luigs was heavily recruited by Louisiana State, Memphis, Alabama, Iowa, Kansas State and Nebraska, but decided to enroll at Arkansas. He spent the 2004 season on the scout team, seeing action mostly as an offensive guard, but also performed at center.



In 2005, the redshirt freshman earned Freshman All-American and Freshman All-Southeastern Conference honors. He started 10 games, lining up at right guard in seven contests and at center in three late-season clashes. He sat out the Alabama game with a high ankle sprain, but went on to register 53 knockdowns with eight touchdown-resulting blocks, posting an 84.2 percent grade for blocking consistency.



Luigs was a Rimington Trophy finalist, adding All-SEC first-team and All-American second-team honors in 2006. He made 34 knockdowns with seven touchdown-resulting blocks. He graded 85.1 percent for a running attack that led the conference and ranked fourth in the nation with an average of 228.5 yards per game on the ground. He led the team in knockdowns three times, as he was part of a front wall that led the major college ranks, giving up just nine quarterback sacks for the campaign. He also recorded one tackle.



Luigs captured the Rimington Trophy in 2007 and shared the SEC's Jacobs Blocking Trophy (conference's top offensive lineman) with Alabama's Andre Smith. The consensus All-American first-team choice was credited with a career-high 84 knockdowns and led the league's interior linemen with 14 touchdown-resulting blocks. With their center leading the way, the Razorbacks again led the SEC and ranked fourth in the country with an average of 286.54 yards per game rushing. Arkansas also ranked second in the league and 17th nationally in total offense with an average of 450.0 yards per game.



With both Darren McFadden and Felix Jones having left Arkansas for the NFL, the team's once formidable running game came to a screeching halt in 2008. Luigs was again named a finalist for the Rimington Trophy, but lost out to Alabama's Antoine Caldwell for first-team All-SEC honors. He delivered 66 knockdowns and graded 85.42 percent for blocking consistency. But the Hogs finished 97th in the nation in rushing (113.5 ypg). The team's offensive line was the main problem, as the front wall placed 118th among the 119 major colleges, allowing 46 sacks for the season.


High School
Attended Pulaski (Little Rock, Ark.) Academy, playing football for head coach Kevin Kelley...Three-year starter on the offensive line, lining up at both center and offensive tackle, as well as playing defensive end...Named to the Associated Press Arkansas Super Team and the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette All-Arkansas team as a senior, adding All-Metro squad honors as a junior...Also a member of the National Honor Society...2003 recipient of the Brandon Burlsworth Award, named after the former Razorback All-American offensive guard...Super Prep rated him as the 12th-best overall prospect in Arkansas while The Morning News had him rated 14th...In each of his three varsity seasons, he graded at least 90 percent for blocking consistency...As a senior, Luigs capped his prep career by helping his squad win its first state title (Class 3A) in school history with a 13-2 mark... As a junior defensive tackle, he recorded 77 tackles (26 solos), four sacks, three more stops for losses of 30 yards and two pressures.



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Analysis
Strengths: Prototype size for the position. Rare athleticism. Good burst off the snap and can block on the move. Quickly moves his feet to get the appropriate angle on his man. Gets to the second level quickly as a run and pass blocker. Good initial quickness as a pass blocker. Settles well and plays with good balance. Equally effective snapping in the shotgun or traditional quarterback exchange. Cerebral player who makes the line calls and adjusts well to unexpected blitzes and defensive alignments.



Weaknesses: Relies on quickness and technique rather than pure strength to generate movement at the point of attack, and can be stalemated by bigger, stronger defenders. Can be tossed aside after initial hit. Struggles to remain engaged with defenders when blocking at the second level, and will miss targets altogether. Leans forward too far at times to reach his man, keeping Luigs off balance.

Buckeye33
04-26-2009, 12:34 PM
OK, who took over the Bengals draft room?

guttle11
04-26-2009, 12:38 PM
Seriously, this is already an A++ draft. Drafting is a crap shoot, but the Bengals are making the right calls.

I'm shocked.

Redhook
04-26-2009, 12:40 PM
If the Bengals draft Jonathan Luigs, C, from Arkansas with this next pick it will be nearly a perfect draft. Let's hope for that Center.

I love it when the Bengals listen to me! :D

IMO, this is the best draft ever by the Bengals. I know it's early to say that, but they are drafting to perfection right now. It's unreal. I feel like I'm dreaming.

They've drafted 3 guys that could've been first rounds picks. They got a TE that would've gone in the 2nd if his ankle wasn't broken months ago. And now that got 4th or 5th best Center in the 4th round.

I am stunned that the Bengals didn't waste a pick or two on a RB and WR so far. This is great, for a change.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 12:43 PM
Luigs seems a little too much like guicheck to me :(

Root Down
04-26-2009, 12:44 PM
I love it when the Bengals listen to me! :D

IMO, this is the best draft ever by the Bengals. I know it's early to say that, but they are drafting to perfection right now. It's unreal. I feel like I'm dreaming.

They've drafted 3 guys that could've been first rounds picks. They got a TE that would've gone in the 2nd if his ankle wasn't broken months ago. And now that got 4th or 5th best Center in the 4th round.

I am stunned that the Bengals didn't waste a pick or two on a RB and WR so far. This is great, for a change.

I think we will see them go for "skill" positions at this point. I'd be surprised if they don't go with a HB or WR next.

BearcatShane
04-26-2009, 12:47 PM
Luigs seems a little too much like guicheck to me :(

I'v never seen him play, but he did win the Remington award. You've obviously watched both play, how do Luigus and Guicheck compare?

BearcatShane
04-26-2009, 12:48 PM
I wonder when Javon Ringer will go off the board. Also, Kevin Huber would be a nice pick.

Redhook
04-26-2009, 12:50 PM
I think we will see them go for "skill" positions at this point. I'd be surprised if they don't go with a HB or WR next.

Fine by me. They need a HB with speed and a CB.

But I'm so happy right now they could draft 5 kickers next and I'd still be ecstatic about their draft.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 12:51 PM
Fine by me. They need a HB with speed and a CB.

But I'm so happy right now they could draft 5 kickers next and I'd still be ecstatic about their draft.

Totally agreed. I'm not sure anyone could have predicted they would do this well!

Playadlc
04-26-2009, 12:52 PM
Chase Coffman, IMO, will turn out to be the most productive player taken in the draft by the Bengals. Unbelievable value getting him in the 3rd round.

Not sure how the Bengals could have done any better so far this weekend.

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 12:57 PM
With six picks left, I figure the Bengals will end up with something like this: a running back, two defensive backs, another offensive lineman, a wide receiver, and a linebacker.

HeatherC1212
04-26-2009, 12:59 PM
I'm stunned the Bengals are still being smart on day two of the draft. I didn't think they could keep that up for two days straight! I guess there's still quite a ways to go since we still have like five picks to make but overall, they've done a great job and I can't complain at all. Who's running this team right now!? LOL :laugh:

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 01:00 PM
Who is having the worst draft so far? I'm having trouble deciding between the Raiders and Broncos.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 01:02 PM
I'v never seen him play, but he did win the Remington award. You've obviously watched both play, how do Luigus and Guicheck compare?

I havent really seen him play but the knock on him is that he can get blown up after initial hit a little too often. I think Luigus is a better player but I just hope that push back thing is overstated.

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 01:03 PM
I'm hoping the Bengals nab Rashad Jennings in the fourth round.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f8dcaa

AmarilloRed
04-26-2009, 01:09 PM
Bears traded their 2nd round pick for multiple picks on Day 2. I heard all the players they wanted were gone when they were going to pick, but the pressure to make good will be on Day 2.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 01:13 PM
I'm hoping the Bengals nab Rashad Jennings in the fourth round.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f8dcaa

Did you mean 5th? I don't think they have any picks left in the 4th unless they trade up.

WMR
04-26-2009, 01:14 PM
Holy crap, Mike Brown is a genius.

I am literally floored. Can't believe they didn't screw up the 2nd day.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 01:20 PM
WillyMo,

There is still time for them to Draft a slow safety and an undersized DT who has a high motor!

:laugh:

WMR
04-26-2009, 01:24 PM
WillyMo,

There is still time for them to Draft a slow safety and an undersized DT who has a high motor!

:laugh:

haha.

honestly, with the guys they've brought in already, even if they made "horrible" decisions for the rest of the draft I'd still be very, very pleased.

For once, they identified what they actually NEEDED and got VALUE with every single "important" pick.

Reds4Life
04-26-2009, 01:24 PM
Holy crap, Mike Brown is a genius.

I am literally floored. Can't believe they didn't screw up the 2nd day.

I think Brown must have turned over his draft duties to someone else......there is no way he could have pulled this off. I wonder if he's letting Marvin and Zimmer call the picks this year.

WMR
04-26-2009, 01:30 PM
I think Brown must have turned over his draft duties to someone else......there is no way he could have pulled this off. I wonder if he's letting Marvin and Zimmer call the picks this year.

You may be right.

Hopefully the positive press from this draft that the Bengals will surely receive will convince him to make it a permanent thing, if so.

I as well can't imagine Mike Brown being the man making the calls and actually choosing these guys.

OesterPoster
04-26-2009, 01:38 PM
I think Brown must have turned over his draft duties to someone else......there is no way he could have pulled this off. I wonder if he's letting Marvin and Zimmer call the picks this year.

Paul Brown is making these picks from his grave. He's tired of rolling over. :D

Also GIDP, you can't possibly compare Luigs to Girlcheck. Luigs played 4 seasons in the SEC, while Girlcheck played in the MAC. No comparison, in my opinion.

WMR
04-26-2009, 01:47 PM
I think Bill Cosby has gone senile.

dsmith421
04-26-2009, 01:58 PM
I realize we've got some depth at DT...but Ricky Jean-Francois of LSU is a holy terror if he's around at our 5th round slot.

Degenerate39
04-26-2009, 02:19 PM
How have the Bengals done in the draft?

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:20 PM
Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati

We definitely need a new punter. This guy looks like a good one.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 02:20 PM
Cincy just took Kevin Huber Punter from Cincy, so far this draft has been great. Picking up a lot of talented guys.

ochre
04-26-2009, 02:20 PM
they just drafted a punter.

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 02:21 PM
Did you mean 5th? I don't think they have any picks left in the 4th unless they trade up.
Yeah, I meant the 5th. I'll settle for Kevin Huber, though. :D

Interestingly enough, Huber was the first specialist taken in the draft, and I don't think the Bengals reached for him. In most drafts, he's probably a fourth rounder.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 02:22 PM
Yeah, I meant the 5th. I'll settle for Kevin Huber, though. :D

I don't know much about him, but the fact that he's from cincy I'm sure someone here does. First punter taken this year.

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 02:23 PM
Do you think he'll kick it, Root Down?

Sorry, I just had to say that.

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:24 PM
Two Bearcats back to back.

DeAngelo Smith to the Cowgirls

dsmith421
04-26-2009, 02:24 PM
I don't know much about him, but the fact that he's from cincy I'm sure someone here does. First punter taken this year.

After watching Larson cost the Bengals 5-10 yards of field position on every change of possession, it will be nice to have a guy that provides positive value from the punter position.

I went to the UC-Rutgers game this year and Huber basically won the game by himself with a series of coffin corner kicks and boomers from deep in his own territory. Repeatedly turned the field over. Good pick.

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:24 PM
I don't know much about him, but the fact that he's from cincy I'm sure someone here does. First punter taken this year.

He was an absolute gamechanger for the Bearcats.

Ray Guy finalist.

Reds4Life
04-26-2009, 02:25 PM
Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati

We definitely need a new punter. This guy looks like a good one.

He is. I've seen him play in person......the guy can seriously boot it. :D

I was hoping the Bengals would take him.

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:25 PM
He is. I've seen him play in person......the guy can seriously boot it. :D

I was hoping the Bengals would take him.

Yeah I really like the pick.

Send Larson his pink slip immediately.

I'm so sick of watching 15 yd shanks.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 02:26 PM
Do you think he'll kick it, Root Down?

Sorry, I just had to say that.

Well... I'm guessing that he's gonna kick it root down. ;)

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 02:26 PM
For a few years, Larson was serviceable. I don't know what happened to him, but he needs to go.

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:27 PM
I do wonder if they could've gotten him later on, but the Bengals clearly wanted to get "their man." I'm okay with it.

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 02:28 PM
Dear Mike Brown,

Thank you for not being you this weekend.



Sincerely,
Bengals fans

GIDP
04-26-2009, 02:28 PM
Huber is a great pick. I dont think he would have lasted much longer or made it to us in the 6th. Hes head and shoulders above every other punter in this draft and even that might be an understatement.

Reds4Life
04-26-2009, 02:30 PM
Huber is a great pick. I dont think he would have lasted much longer or made it to us in the 6th. Hes head and shoulders above every other punter in this draft and even that might be an understatement.

Yep, was one of the best punters in college football, he's a dramatic upgrade from Larson. No argument with that pick from me.

joshnky
04-26-2009, 02:30 PM
I do wonder if they could've gotten him later on, but the Bengals clearly wanted to get "their man." I'm okay with it.

At this point in the draft you really have to hone in on "your players" and pick them regardless of whether they might be around later. Also, you never really know when there will be a run on specialists. It is tough to get solid contributions out of the later rounds anyway.

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:30 PM
What picks do the Bengals have remaining?

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:30 PM
At this point in the draft you really have to hone in on "your players" and pick them regardless of whether they might be around later. Also, you never really know when there will be a run on specialists. It is tough to get solid contributions out of the later rounds anyway.

Yeah, I agree with that.

JBChance
04-26-2009, 02:31 PM
Dear Mike Brown,

Thank you for not being you this weekend.



Sincerely,
Bengals fans


:laugh:


They must have him locked in a closet, or something.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 02:31 PM
Huber is a great pick. I dont think he would have lasted much longer or made it to us in the 6th. Hes head and shoulders above every other punter in this draft and even that might be an understatement.

That is great to hear. In a game of inches, those few extra yards per punt and lack of shanks could make or break any given game.

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:32 PM
Maybe we're looking at a "Weekend at Mikey's" type situation. :D

Is Mike wearing his dark sunglasses and being unusually quiet in the Bengals war room?

Reds4Life
04-26-2009, 02:33 PM
Maybe we're looking at a "Weekend at Mikey's" type situation. :D

Is Mike wearing his dark sunglasses and being unusually quiet in the Bengals war room?

Marvin probably told him that Walmart down in Alabama had a 70% off sale on dome wax......so he sprinted down there in his trusty Lumina.

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 02:34 PM
The Bengals already announced their next five picks.

179. elusive running back that will have a career-threatening injury in the preseason
209. backup offensive lineman who probably went to the same school as someone the Bengals already drafted
215. under-sized wide receiver with local ties
249. lineman with questions of character and a high ceiling that will never be reached
252. long snapper who will never see a snap and be put on the practice squad almost immediately after signing his contract

LoganBuck
04-26-2009, 02:35 PM
Is it ok to cry tears of joy because of this draft?

camisadelgolf
04-26-2009, 02:36 PM
Maybe we're looking at a "Weekend at Mikey's" type situation. :D

Is Mike wearing his dark sunglasses and being unusually quiet in the Bengals war room?
I lol'd at that visual. :lol:

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:36 PM
The Bengals already announced their next five picks.

179. elusive running back that will have a career-threatening injury in the preseason
209. backup offensive lineman who probably went to the same school as someone the Bengals already drafted
215. under-sized wide receiver with local ties
249. lineman with questions of character and a high ceiling that will never be reached
252. long snapper who will never see a snap and be put on the practice squad almost immediately after signing his contract

During most drafts that would accurately describe the FIRST five picks.

LoganBuck
04-26-2009, 02:36 PM
The Bengals already announced their next five picks.

179. elusive running back that will have a career-threatening injury in the preseason
209. backup offensive lineman who probably went to the same school as someone the Bengals already drafted
215. under-sized wide receiver with local ties
249. lineman with questions of character and a high ceiling that will never be reached
252. long snapper who will never see a snap and be put on the practice squad almost immediately after signing his contract

The power of tradition. At least they will save the homage to the past for later picks.

Yachtzee
04-26-2009, 02:39 PM
Will they trade down to get Mr. Irrelevant?

HeatherC1212
04-26-2009, 02:41 PM
I really like the Huber pick! He was rock solid for the Bearcats. :D

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:45 PM
Anyone want to bet that the other team that was going to take Michael Mitchell in the 3rd round was the Bungles? :laugh: :lol:

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:47 PM
Chris Spielman had a picture of Mel Kiper that he looked at every morning? :help:

GIDP
04-26-2009, 02:48 PM
I see on the bengals board that people hated the Huber pick but let me say this. If this guy can pin the other team back behind the 20 as much as he did for the Bearcats the fans will fall in love with him.

WMR
04-26-2009, 02:50 PM
I see on the bengals board that people hated the Huber pick but let me say this. If this guy can pin the other team back behind the 20 as much as he did for the Bearcats the fans will fall in love with him.

Oh god the Bengals board is one of the bigger gathering of idiots on the entire internet. haha.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 02:52 PM
Oh god the Bengals board is one of the bigger gathering of idiots on the entire internet. haha.

So is this one, luckily most of them are in the ORG and away from me! heh

Joseph
04-26-2009, 02:52 PM
Love the 2nd and 3rd rounders. I did NOT want Smith in the first round, I hope he proves me wrong many times over.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 02:55 PM
I think people are too worried about smith. if it wasnt for the combine stuff he would have been the 2nd pick of the draft.

Joseph
04-26-2009, 02:58 PM
I think people are too worried about smith. if it wasnt for the combine stuff he would have been the 2nd pick of the draft.

I hope you are right. I wanted the other smith, but obviously he didn't last that long.

dsmith421
04-26-2009, 02:59 PM
I think people are too worried about smith. if it wasnt for the combine stuff he would have been the 2nd pick of the draft.

To paraphrase Billy Beane, we're not selling jeans (or manssieres, in Smith's case) here. Smith was dominant in the best semipro league in America facing near NFL caliber talent on a weekly basis. Yeah, he's got breasts. Big deal, if he's sticking James Harrison on his butt I could care less if he has D-cups.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 03:02 PM
I hope you are right. I wanted the other smith, but obviously he didn't last that long.

He should have been first, but it appears Detroit doesn't care about the lines.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 03:02 PM
To paraphrase Billy Beane, we're not selling jeans (or manssieres, in Smith's case) here. Smith was dominant in the best semipro league in America facing near NFL caliber talent on a weekly basis. Yeah, he's got breasts. Big deal, if he's sticking James Harrison on his butt I could care less if he has D-cups.

Yea Andre Smith is a hard guy to knock around. His balance is pretty dominate when it comes to moving that weight around and stopping others from moving it around.

dsmith421
04-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Jeremiah Johnson with our next pick, plz.

Joseph
04-26-2009, 03:53 PM
What have the Bengals done on day 2?

dsmith421
04-26-2009, 03:56 PM
What have the Bengals done on day 2?

3rd Round: Michael Johnson, DE, Ga. Tech. Physical freak with consistency issues.

3rd Round: Chase Coffman, TE, Mizzou. John Mackey award winner, solid short- to mid-range receiver but subpar blocker.

4th Round: Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas. Rimington award winner (best C), considered slightly undersized.

5th Round: Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati. Top punter in country.

They've done really well so far. Best draft I can remember.

HeatherC1212
04-26-2009, 04:01 PM
What have the Bengals done on day 2?

Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
Chase Coffman TE Missouri
Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas
Kevin Huber P Cincinnati

They pick again in the next twenty minutes or so with their first pick in the sixth round. :)

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 04:10 PM
The RB Perriman.....looks good to me. Great character background.

Reds Fanatic
04-26-2009, 04:10 PM
Bengals 6th round pick:

Morgan Trent CB Michigan

Scouting report on Trent:


Morgan Trent (CB)
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 193
College: Michigan
Conference: Big 10
Hometown: Brighton, MI
High School: Orchard Lake St. Mary's
View Combine Page >>


Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 4.47 seconds
Bench Press : 23.0 reps
Vertical Jump : 38.0 inches
Broad Jump : 127.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 7.07 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.01 seconds
60 Yard Shuttle : 11.07 seconds

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Analysis
Positives: Good height for the position. Uses his long arms to break up passes in front of the receiver. Secure tackler in the open. Good cut tackler and can get off receiver blocks. Effective reading the quarterback in zone coverage to get involved in the play. Has the size and vertical to fight for balls in the air. Stays with receivers heading down the sideline, maintaining inside position.



Negatives: A bit thin in the hips. Lacks change-of-direction ability, struggling to stay with quicker receivers inside. Doesn't get his hands on the receiver at the line often enough. A bit choppy and upright in his backpedal, which can cause him problems transitioning on out routes. Lacks the strength to cause turnovers and has questionable hands.

Root Down
04-26-2009, 04:11 PM
Here are the Bengals picks as of right now (through the Bengals first pick of round 6) via ESPN:

Rd 1 - #6(6) Andre Smith (OT) Alabama
Rd 2 - #6(38) Rey Maualuga (ILB) USC
Rd 3 - #6(70) Michael Johnson (DE) Ga Tech
Rd 3 - #34(98) Chase Coffman (TE) Missouri
Rd 4 - #6(106) Jonathan Luigs (C) Arkansas
Rd 5 - #6(142) Kevin Huber (P) Cincy
Rd 6 - #6(179) Morgan Trent (CB) Michigan

GIDP
04-26-2009, 04:14 PM
I wonder if Mickens is going to get drafted

LoganBuck
04-26-2009, 04:20 PM
Don't like the Morgan Trent pick. That guy has been beaten like a rented mule for four years in Ann Arbor. Basically every time he has lined up against an NFL draft pick top wide receiver he gets smoked. He looks like he should be good, he just isn't. I would rather see them scout some smaller schools and bring in a prospect from off the radar. This is where having a crummy scouting department comes in. They essentially punted that pick.

GIDP
04-26-2009, 04:27 PM
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2009cin.php

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 04:28 PM
Peerman from Virginia was drafted by BAL....I wanted the Bengals to draft him. I think he would be better than Jennings. Good character.

Tony Cloninger
04-26-2009, 04:34 PM
The USC CB sounds better than this guy....this guy though is an old school CB....beacuse of his height.

Most CB's.....I am taller than them..... but the Michigan guy is 6-1.

CTA513
04-26-2009, 04:40 PM
CB Brandon Underwood from UC went to the Packers at pick #187

HeatherC1212
04-26-2009, 04:50 PM
Meh, it's kind of good that the Bengals finally made a questionable decision. I would have gotten really worried if they kept on being smart through this draft, LOL :laugh:

HeatherC1212
04-26-2009, 05:32 PM
Bengals pick Bernard Scott, RB, Albeline Christian with their last pick in round six. Who is that?! :eek:

guttle11
04-26-2009, 05:42 PM
Don't like the Morgan Trent pick. That guy has been beaten like a rented mule for four years in Ann Arbor. Basically every time he has lined up against an NFL draft pick top wide receiver he gets smoked. He looks like he should be good, he just isn't. I would rather see them scout some smaller schools and bring in a prospect from off the radar. This is where having a crummy scouting department comes in. They essentially punted that pick.

If he even makes the team, which is probably a long shot, he'll probably be a special teams gunner.

WVRed
04-26-2009, 05:43 PM
Bengals pick Bernard Scott, RB, Albeline Christian with their last pick in round six. Who is that?! :eek:


Bernard Scott (RB)
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 200
College: Abilene Christian
Conference: Lone Star
Hometown: Vernon, TX
High School: Wichita Falls
View Combine Page >>


Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 4.56 seconds
Bench Press : 21.0 reps
Vertical Jump : 36.0 inches
Broad Jump : 125.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 6.82 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.08 seconds

Overview
NFL scouts will say Scott is not really fast, big or strong. But he is simply one of the most productive runners in college football history.



The 2008 Harlon Hill Trophy winner and two-time AP Little All-American rushed for 4,321 yards and 63 touchdowns from 2007-08, adding 93 receptions for 1,391 yards and 10 scores. That doesn't even take into consideration his All-American 2006 season at Blinn JC (1,892 yards, 27 TDs) and a freshman year (played at Central Arkansas, from which his current ACU head coach came) in which he gained 1,026 yards and 11 touchdowns. Had an arm span of 31 3/4 inches and a hand span of 9 1/2 inches at the combine.



However, his checkered past may catch up with him. He was kicked off his high school team for being part of a fight off campus, dismissed from Central Arkansas for - among other things - hitting a coach and has had multiple additional run-ins with police.



Scott's combination of excellent vision and quick feet make him a fourth-round talent. But character issues will require a strong recommendation of Scott's improved maturity (he did turn 25 in February) from coaches. That could get him a late-round selection or priority free agent call.


Junior College
Scott was a first team National Junior College Athletic Association all-America after leading the Blinn JC Buccaneers to a 12-0 season and the NJCAA national championship. Blinn beat Pearl River Community College, 19-6, in the Pilgrim's Pride Bowl to win the national title. Scott was named the game's MVP after rushing for 193 yards and one touchdown on 22 carries. Scott averaged 154.4 rushing yards per game, and he finished his only junior college season with a junior college-best 1,892 yards and 27 touchdowns. He was also first team all Southwestern Junior College Football Conference.


High School
Was not eligible for his senior year after being kicked off the football team for being involved in an off-campus fight. 2003 graduate of Wichita Falls High School. As a junior at Vernon High School in 2001, Scott ran for 2,424 yards and 19 touchdowns in 13 games. He also had 150 receiving yards and two touchdowns. Scott was a Class 3A first-team all-state selection by the Associated Press and was the Wichita Falls Times Record-News' Red River 22 Offensive Player of the Year. ... Scott was a first-team National Junior College Athletic Association all-America after leading the Blinn JC Buccaneers to a 12-0 season and the NJCAA national championship. Blinn beat Pearl River Community College, 19-6, in the Pilgrim's Pride Bowl to win the national title. Scott was named the game's MVP after rushing for 193 yards and one touchdown on 22 carries. Scott averaged 154.4 rushing yards per game, and he finished his only junior college season with a junior college-best 1,892 yards and 27 touchdowns. He was also first team all Southwestern Junior College Football Conference.



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Analysis
Positives: Excellent burst through the hole, and hits it hard. Very good vision, and usually finds the best running lane. Uses that vision and excellent footwork to pick his way through traffic. Sidesteps defenders in the hole. Patient runner inside or on the edge who will wait for blocks to develop before hitting the gas. Runs with a nice lean and low center of gravity, getting through arm tackles in traffic or in space. Keeps legs churning inside; puts his hand on the ground to maintain balance and get more yards. Excellent hands for the reception and makes the first man miss. Quick to get into his route, and fast in and out of his cut.



Negatives: A bit leaner than most NFL teams like in their backs, although he runs low enough to handle a pounding. Runs with the ball in his left hand heading in either direction. Good second gear but lacks the elite third gear. Lack of experience in pass protection will be a concern as a third-down back. Major character issues and over-aged for a rookie running back.



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