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jmac
04-25-2009, 06:19 PM
The Blue Team beat the White team 28-23 today.
The white team offense was made up of mostly starters. Hartline was 17-32 for the day for 199 yards and that included a 1-8 start. The Blue defense sacked Hartline several times and a kid named Burden was very impressive and Leach said he will be fun to watch.
Lenz also had his name called many times on defense as well.
Fidler lead the Blue team and looked impressive early as they jumped out to a 21-0 lead.
Moncell Allen ran the ball like Earl Campbell in the second half for the blue team often times dragging tacklers for yards.
Hartline did lead team to a touchdown on last possesion and looked good in the two minute offense. There was several times where the White team drove ball only to suffer a big sack or in some cases back to back sacks. Again, the Burden kid was a big reason.
They didnt use much kicking in the second half, as they didnt kick off or punt so I dont know about a replacement for Matsay.
EJ Adams did have a slight injured shoulder but nothing major I dont think.
Hartline and Fidler both had their moments but the passing game overall was about the same as last year. In other words not many sustained drives.
Blue did return a fumble 59 yards for a TD as Alphonso Smith fumbled an option and tried to bat it up to himself only to have a defender snatch it and return it for TD.
Leach said it will be intersesting later on as Massokowski/Newton arrive and see if they challenge Hartline right away. I really felt Mass could be redshirted but they say he is playing baseball now and throwing around 90 so his problem physically ( dont remember if it was shoulder or arm ) must be improving.

Coach Cal was there and Leach said, PP was right by his side. Hopefully that is a good thing. :)
Also I think it shows how that UK football has improved. I dont remember too many Spring blue/white games broadcast on the radio by the Big Blue Network before. ;)

jmac
04-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Thanks for info. I heard Micah Johnson and Jarmon played for the blue so that could have been a problem for Hartline but as you said, he did an average performance. Also I will add there was 20,000 there for the game. :)

jmac
04-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Forgot to ask, but did you hear what Fidler's stats were ?

jmac
04-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Forgot to ask, but did you hear what Fidler's stats were ?

Fidler was 10-24 for 110 yards and threw the ball "as good as I've ever seen him" according to Rich Brooks.

Keep in mind that the Netowns and Massakowski's arent there yet officially.

Scrap Irony
04-30-2009, 09:50 PM
I'm guessing it's Hartline's to lose, but he's lost it before. Kentucky's defense may be the second or third best D in the SEC this year.

That hasn't happened since 1977, Fran Curci, and an NCAA Most Wanted appearance.

jmac
05-01-2009, 10:26 AM
My gut says it will Hartline #1 with Newton #2 and Fildler # 3 only because Massakowski ( who will be a very good QB)will be redshirted. Again that is just me only.

I also figure Newton will get quite a few snaps during the first part of season. If Hartline falters the slightest, I dont think Brooks would hesitate to move Newton to #1 as he did Cobb last season.

FWIW..Cobb has apparently settled in as a WR and looks ready to have a big season.

WMR
05-01-2009, 12:00 PM
Hartline just isn't that good. Horrible at making decisions. I think Newton will take the job from him early in the season.

jmac
05-01-2009, 03:47 PM
Hartline just isn't that good. Horrible at making decisions. I think Newton will take the job from him early in the season.
I agree as far as Newton. I doubt though that Brooks will hand him the reins right away considering how tough the schedule is early. He may just want Hartline to manage well and try to get a couple of wins via the defense.
Usually Ky's schedule gives them a chance to start strong and gets tougher.
This year is sorta reversed. Hopefully UK can be 3-3 after first 6. Then they could be looking at 7 wins as The second part of the schedule is the easier this upcoming season.



Sept. 5 Miami (Ohio)*
Sept. 19 LOUISVILLE
Sept. 26 FLORIDA
Oct. 3 ALABAMA
Oct. 10 at South Carolina
Oct. 17 at Auburn
Oct. 24 LOUISIANA-MONROE
Oct. 31 MISSISSIPPI ST.
Nov. 7 EASTERN KENTUCKY
Nov. 14 at Vanderbilt
Nov. 21 at Georgia
Nov. 28 TENNESSEE

The opener is in Cincinnati BTW.

Javy Pornstache
05-02-2009, 01:50 AM
That schedule is ridiculous. WHY would you schedule your bye week for WEEK TWO when you had a choice of then and October? They have a brutal stretch of 11 straight weeks playing. Asinine scheduling by UK.

Scrap Irony
05-02-2009, 10:41 AM
If Brooks wins seven games, he deserves national Coach of the Year honors.

jmac
05-02-2009, 10:58 AM
Games I am "hoping" for wins are :

Miami
louisville
Louisiana Monroe
Miss State
EKU

swing game : Vandy

If they could win those games, it is 6.
Plus you have 2 possible upsets at home in Alabama & Tennessee. (will take a well played game though to stay in it )
Now Louisville could be better than what we think, so I am not counting that as a given.

I feel if UK could somehow win 1 of the oct 3 - oct 17 games, then they will be in pretty good shape.

If UK is 2-4 after their first 6, then the Vandy game may determine whether they get another bowl or not. My guess is by the Vandy game, Newton will have 3 starts under his belt.

jmac
07-04-2009, 08:56 PM
Since there isnt a UK football thread yet, I thought I would post this tidbit here.
A guy talked to Jeremy Jarmon the other day. One thing of note Jeremy said was : By midseason , Newton will be the starting QB as he is that good. He in fact said he is the real deal !

jmac
07-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Here is a link to the results for Preseason All SEC Coaches selections.
Kentucky well represented ! Notice Hartline made 3rd Team. :eek:
Cant really see it though.


http://secsports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=2&url_article_id=12867&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

WMR
09-05-2009, 04:24 PM
Nice opening win for the football Cats.

Hartline looks much sharper on his throws.

Randall Cobb = BEASTLY.

I love the way they're getting him involved in a plethora of different packages and looks.

Now we've got two weeks for the coaches to dissect the game film and get our boys ready to hopefully give Loserville a beat down.

jmac
09-05-2009, 04:38 PM
Nice opening win for the football Cats.

Hartline looks much sharper on his throws.

Randall Cobb = BEASTLY.

I love the way they're getting him involved in a plethora of different packages and looks.

Now we've got two weeks for the coaches to dissect the game film and get our boys ready to hopefully give Loserville a beat down.

Hartline looked much more confident in throwing downfield as well. Having Matthews and Cobb out there to throw to should be fun to watch. Him and Cobb will make quite a duo.
The interception in first half seemed to get things going.
Glad to see the defense keep the shutout in 4th when Brooks subbed and Miami still had starters in.
All in all...good game and yes..time to get ready for U of L.
UK has to win that one with the next four being some of the SEC the big boys.

WMR
09-05-2009, 04:45 PM
It's also nice to see Locke apparently back to his old self.

Running the Wildcat with the sneaky Cobb at QB with the speedy Locke in the backfield is a very dangerous formation indeed.

Defense looks SEC-caliber stout.

They got a lot of things on tape from this game, both good and bad, which I'm sure Brooks and Joker are happy about.

WVRed
09-06-2009, 01:06 PM
Looks like UK had a fan at the game:

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/raymualaga.jpg

That is Ray Maualuga, of Cincinnati Bengals and USC Trojans fame.

Blimpie
09-06-2009, 06:38 PM
For a former JUCO player, WR Chris Matthews will end up having a huge impact on the offense this season.

There will simply be no way that Cobb can be doubled for an entire game anymore.

Blimpie
09-06-2009, 06:40 PM
After the upcoming bye weekend, UK will play the next 11 consecutive weeks.

I am not really liking that one too much.

WMR
09-07-2009, 01:00 PM
Congratulations to UK All-American Trevard Lindley on being named SEC Defensive Player of the Week.

http://behindtheboxscore.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/trevard-lindley.jpg

dabvu2498
09-07-2009, 03:04 PM
After the upcoming bye weekend, UK will play the next 11 consecutive weeks. I am not really liking that one too much.Vandy plays 12 straight weeks. It is hard to believe both those schedules couldn't have been worked out better.

IslandRed
09-07-2009, 04:21 PM
Vandy plays 12 straight weeks. It is hard to believe both those schedules couldn't have been worked out better.

The way the calendar falls this year, that's just how it is for a lot of teams. Labor Day weekend through Thanksgiving weekend has 13 Saturdays, and Thanksgiving weekend is effectively the end of the regular season for BCS conference schools because the conference championship games are the following week. That leaves just one bye week for everyone, and unless a school has a traditional Thanksgiving weekend matchup, a lot of them don't like to play then.

dabvu2498
09-07-2009, 04:27 PM
The way the calendar falls this year, that's just how it is for a lot of teams. Labor Day weekend through Thanksgiving weekend has 13 Saturdays, and Thanksgiving weekend is effectively the end of the regular season for BCS conference schools because the conference championship games are the following week. That leaves just one bye week for everyone, and unless a school has a traditional Thanksgiving weekend matchup, a lot of them don't like to play then. I'm saying that it would seem that teams would want to line that bye week up for the middle of the season.

WMR
09-07-2009, 04:42 PM
I'm saying that it would seem that teams would want to line that bye week up for the middle of the season.

You don't relish playing all the big boys in the SEC back to back to back? :lol:

Me either.

dabvu2498
09-07-2009, 05:12 PM
You don't relish playing all the big boys in the SEC back to back to back? :lol: Me either. Not hardly. And 2 of Vandy's "winnable" nonconference games are on the road this year. At least we will be able to use the ESPN money for more guarantee games from here on out.

Blimpie
09-07-2009, 05:36 PM
Congratulations to UK All-American Trevard Lindley on being named SEC Defensive Player of the Week.

http://behindtheboxscore.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/trevard-lindley.jpgCongrats to Trevard. Ironically, I think that Lindley had a pretty pedestrian week by his own standards.

Yes, he did have a 'pick six' in the game. However, he also had two sure-fire INTs bounce right off his hands in the first half.

Javy Pornstache
09-07-2009, 07:06 PM
Yes, back on the first page of this thread, I made my whining case on the scheduling quite apparent. Not to speak for Vandy or any other teams, but UK DID have a choice of the bye in week two, or the week they play EKU (off the top of my head, don't recall which week it is, but later in the season). They could've scheduled EKU in week two and had the bye at a more reasonable time, but for some inexplicable reason, they elected to use the bye now and have 11 straight games, with the teeth of their schedule coming up quick.

Blimpie
09-07-2009, 09:14 PM
That is all kinds of crazy.

jmac
09-07-2009, 09:55 PM
In a side note on the QB situation, Leach & Pic reported saturday that Joker said there was a big gap between # 1 (Hartline) and # 2 (Fidler) but he added the gap is closing between Fidler and Newton as Morgan is catching on fast.
However, I really wouldnt be surprised now to see both frosh redshirted. If one of the newbies don't see a snap vs Louisville, I cant see them seeing one in the following four.

dabvu2498
09-07-2009, 11:08 PM
To me it doesn't make much sense to redshirt both of them if you are thinking both will stay for their entire careers. Which I also doubt.

IslandRed
09-08-2009, 01:15 AM
I'm saying that it would seem that teams would want to line that bye week up for the middle of the season.

Well, teams can't always get what they want. They'd either have to talk the SEC office into scheduling a conference game on Thanksgiving weekend that isn't a traditional turkey-week matchup, or try to find/move a non-conference opponent for that weekend. Easier said than done on short notice.

jmac
09-08-2009, 07:44 AM
To me it doesn't make much sense to redshirt both of them if you are thinking both will stay for their entire careers. Which I also doubt.

I agree totally. If they both are redshirted then I expect one to leave. I mean if Hartline has the kind of year we hope, then he will be the starter his senior year as well.

cumberlandreds
09-08-2009, 09:01 AM
I was very well pleased with UK's game. How many times have us UK fans seen them mess around with medicore to poor teams and win a close game or get beat. It was an encouraging start. I hope they can hold up over this next 11 weeks with out an off date. How well they hold up over the four game stretch of Florida,Alabama,USC and Auburn will tell their tale this season.

jmac
09-09-2009, 10:26 AM
Does anyone know if any local channels will be picking up the game or is it only on ESPNU ?
I was thinking one year, a local picked it up in a situation like this.

cumberlandreds
09-09-2009, 11:23 AM
Does anyone know if any local channels will be picking up the game or is it only on ESPNU ?
I was thinking one year, a local picked it up in a situation like this.

It's ESPNU only. It's ESPN's way to make sure they max out on the cable systems to get all of their networks.

jmac
09-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Good news sort of.
Getting in my car today , I heard one of the local radio stations say a Louisville television station was getting to broadcast the game as a "one time only" deal they worked out.
Bad is part is I didnt hear which one. Can someone else let us know when you find out as I , like others, do not get ESPNU !
Thanks.

dabvu2498
09-10-2009, 08:28 PM
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=27831


Ladies and gentlemen, I have some outstanding news for you if you live in the Lexington or Louisville areas. Insight will announce today that they have reached an agreement with ESPN and Disney and will show the UK - U of L football game on basic cable in Lexington and Louisville next weekend. Many fans from both sides of the fence have expressed their concern over having to upgrade their cable package to see the Governor’s Cup game, and Insight clearly has their ear to the streets and their eyes on the KSR comments section…..and an unpaid bill from 2005 in the name of “Thomas Beisner”, which I take no accountability for.

Here’s the email they sent to us today explaining all the details:

Matt -

I wanted your KSR readers to be the first to know that Insight has arranged with ESPN to make the UK/UofL game on September 19 available to all of our customers in Louisville and Lexington, regardless of whether or not their current programming package includes ESPNU.

After learning several weeks ago that the game was scheduled to air on ESPNU, we initiated discussions with ESPN and Disney to request an exception for this game and we’re very appreciative that they have provided it.

In Louisville, analog customers will see the game on channel 11 and digital customers will see the game on channels 514 (standard definition) and 922 (high definition). In Lexington, analog customers will see the game on channel 6 and digital customers will see the game on channels 514 (standard definition) and 922 (high definition).

As we move forward into football and basketball seasons, it is unlikely that we will be able to work out this arrangement for future games. That’s why we would encourage UK fans to add the 50-channel Digital Standard package for just $10 per month. That will ensure they don’t miss any of the Cats on ESPNU.

More details should be available soon at Insight CEO Michael Willner’s blog, www.MichaelsInsight.com.

Blimpie
09-11-2009, 07:05 PM
Sounds like a one-time exception for the Louisville game. No way Insight will let this slide again in Lexington.

jmac
09-11-2009, 10:10 PM
Yeah it is supposedly a one time deal.
Question...I have dish and my local channels are 3, 11, 32, 34, 41, 58. Will any of those have this ? It is hard to tell by the wording in the announcement.

George Foster
09-12-2009, 11:38 PM
an additional 10 bucks for all the UK basketball games, and all SEC games is a small price to pay.

Scrap Irony
09-13-2009, 11:34 PM
Kentucky an early 12-point favorite v. Louisville.

If I'm a Cardinal fan, I take the points. The Card D isn't all that bad and the running backs could give Kentucky fits. If the QB settles down and doesn't beat the team, they've got a chance at an upset.

(That this is an upset is reason enough to fire Kraigthorpe at the end of the season anyway.)

WMR
09-14-2009, 12:02 AM
Kentucky an early 12-point favorite v. Louisville.

If I'm a Cardinal fan, I take the points. The Card D isn't all that bad and the running backs could give Kentucky fits. If the QB settles down and doesn't beat the team, they've got a chance at an upset.

(That this is an upset is reason enough to fire Kraigthorpe at the end of the season anyway.)

:rolleyes: Wrong. It's reason to rename Commonwealth to Rich Brooks Stadium, however.

Scrap Irony
09-14-2009, 01:08 PM
Under Petrino, Louisville was a Top Ten program.

Under Kragthorpe, they may not be in the Top Ten of the Big East.

That's a mighty steep decline for a program in three short years.

And a deserving firing, IMO, unless he finds the Top 25 and a pretty big bowl game this year.

Scrap Irony
09-14-2009, 01:10 PM
As to Brooks, he's a fine coach. A decent option.

But Kentucky hasn't finished in the top bracket of the SEC East in how many years? How long has it been since they were a Top 25 program? 1984?

Seriously, has Kentucky even sniffed the Top 25 in Rich Brooks' tenure?

WMR
09-14-2009, 01:20 PM
As to Brooks, he's a fine coach. A decent option.

But Kentucky hasn't finished in the top bracket of the SEC East in how many years? How long has it been since they were a Top 25 program? 1984?

Seriously, has Kentucky even sniffed the Top 25 in Rich Brooks' tenure?

Wow this is a bad post. No offense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Kentucky_Wildcats_football_team#Schedule

They were ranked as high as #8 in 2007 and beat eventual National Champion LSU.

joshnky
09-14-2009, 02:56 PM
Under Petrino, Louisville was a Top Ten program.

Under Kragthorpe, they may not be in the Top Ten of the Big East.

That's a mighty steep decline for a program in three short years.

And a deserving firing, IMO, unless he finds the Top 25 and a pretty big bowl game this year.

That will be tough considering it is an eight team league. Kragthorpe is certainly in trouble but this team doesn't have the talent to reach those acheivements. If he reaches 7 wins and a bowl he will save his job. Five wins and he will likely be in trouble.

On the other point, Brooks has done a great job at UK. It is too bad that both these programs didn't peak at the same time. The fan debate would be much more fun if it was the UK team of 2007-2008 against the UofL team of 2005-2006. A great Offense vs. Defense matchup.

Scrap Irony
09-14-2009, 07:09 PM
That will be tough considering it is an eight team league.

Obviously, I was using hyperole. And WMR, I had no idea Kentucky was ranked that highly in 2007. How many SEC games did they win that year? 3? When was the last time UK won more SEC games than they lost?

jmac
09-14-2009, 08:11 PM
The part that does concern me about this game is our kicking game. Not putting balls (kickoff) in the endzone the way Masthay did, could be a problem with U of L's Guy returning kicks.
Then there of course is the Seiber factor. :eek:
I feel pretty good about KY winning this game but the above factors are reason enough to present UK some problems.

Scrap Irony
09-15-2009, 12:58 PM
From the LHL:


Ridge Wilson, one of five true freshmen to see action in the University of Kentucky's season-opening football victory over Miami (Ohio), has been suspended for violating team rules, Coach Rich Brooks announced at Tuesday's practice.

WLEX-18 TV in Lexington reported Tuesday that an arrest warrant is being prepared for Wilson after he was accused of assaulting a woman on UK's campus Monday night. WLEX reported that Wilson allegedly punched the woman in the face after an argument, left the scene and has not been seen since. Police say that Wilson will be charged with fourth-degree assault.

Wilson, a 6-foot-3, 207-pound linebacker from Central High School in Louisville, will be held out of all team activities this week including Saturday's game against his hometown team, the Louisville Cardinals.

Brooks said Wilson's status beyond this week is under evaluation.

Wilson was a first-team All-State selection by The Associated Press after his senior season at Central. He was also named to the Herald-Leader's Class of the Commonwealth selection of the state's top 22 seniors.

Wilson joined cornerback Martavious Neloms, wide receiver LaRod King, tailback Donald Russell and offensive lineman Larry Warford as true freshmen to receive playing time in UK's 42-0 win over Miami (Ohio) on Sept. 5. Wilson recorded one tackle in the game.


Ouch. Though you really shouldn't blame anyone about this other than Wilson. He's had a clean record throughout his career.

jmac
09-17-2009, 09:10 PM
Okay..if I upgrade my package to get ESPNU with Dish, how long do I have to keep that pack which I wouldnt want after the game ?
Do you have to keep it a month ?
I was just going to listen to it which I enjoy doing with Tom & Pic but we had a family reunion planned for saturday at 3:00.
No problem right, cause the game would be over. Well I found out yesterday the start time for the reunioun was moved to 11:00 ! :eek:

cumberlandreds
09-18-2009, 07:56 AM
Okay..if I upgrade my package to get ESPNU with Dish, how long do I have to keep that pack which I wouldnt want after the game ?
Do you have to keep it a month ?
I was just going to listen to it which I enjoy doing with Tom & Pic but we had a family reunion planned for saturday at 3:00.
No problem right, cause the game would be over. Well I found out yesterday the start time for the reunioun was moved to 11:00 ! :eek:

You can drop it the next day. But you will have to pay a $5 fee for downgrading. If you can afford it I would keep it. I would say more games will be on ESPNU before the season is over. Also, as of now, there are three UK basketball games scheduled to be on ESPNU.

jmac
09-18-2009, 04:12 PM
You can drop it the next day. But you will have to pay a $5 fee for downgrading. If you can afford it I would keep it. I would say more games will be on ESPNU before the season is over. Also, as of now, there are three UK basketball games scheduled to be on ESPNU.

Thanks.
I am upgrading now ! ;)

macro
09-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Florida is favored by 21 over Kentucky in Lexington. I know Florida is good and has won 22 straight over UK, but I can't believe that spread. If I were a betting person, I'd take UK and the points. Anyone else surprised by the spread?

cumberlandreds
09-26-2009, 10:39 AM
Florida is favored by 21 over Kentucky in Lexington. I know Florida is good and has won 22 straight over UK, but I can't believe that spread. If I were a betting person, I'd take UK and the points. Anyone else surprised by the spread?

I'm not surprised. Florida has pretty much dominated UK over the years. 22 straight wins in fact. But I think UK can make a game of it. I'm not sure Forida is as good as advertised. I've read their receiving corps is banged up and Tebow is supposedly battling a respiratory infection. They flew him and a couple of others up on a separate plane so they wouldn't infect other players. I doubt that effects the game that much but I will take whatever advantage I could get to beat Florida.

dabvu2498
09-26-2009, 01:25 PM
Florida is favored by 21 over Kentucky in Lexington. I know Florida is good and has won 22 straight over UK, but I can't believe that spread. If I were a betting person, I'd take UK and the points. Anyone else surprised by the spread? That it is not higher? Yes. Remember that the spreads are not actually what the oddsmakers think the difference in the game will be. They are designed so that betting action will be equal on both sides of the spread. That said, I have a hard time seeing UK putting up many points vs. UF.

Blimpie
09-26-2009, 01:55 PM
The weather alone should bring the line down a few points. Add to that--the reported illnesses of Tebow and Wright, and you are staring at a pretty big number.

I read earlier that 97% of all flu cases confirmed on the UF campus were the H1N1 virus. Methinks I will pack a surgical mask with my poncho for the game tonight...

joshnky
09-26-2009, 06:45 PM
That it is not higher? Yes.

Looking ugly so far. Tebow might get to rest for the entire second half the way this is going.

jmac
09-26-2009, 07:06 PM
Looking ugly so far. Tebow might get to rest for the entire second half the way this is going.

Second half ? He might as well rest the rest of the game. I predicted at work this week we would lose by around 20.
This though is a total embarrassment ! Havent moved the ball on offense (-1 yard ) in first quarter plus cant stop FLA plus more blocked punts.
Yeah Florida is a lot better than UK but this is a ridiculous !

WVRed
09-26-2009, 08:55 PM
Moral victory: Tim Tebow knocked out of the game on a vicious hit that has been replayed about 40 times now.

joshnky
09-26-2009, 09:09 PM
Moral victory: Tim Tebow knocked out of the game on a vicious hit that has been replayed about 40 times now.

Classy.

kaldaniels
09-26-2009, 09:23 PM
Classy.

I understand your point directed at the moral victory comment. But I'll be the first to say that when a player from a team I am rooting for lays a clean,legal,proper/non-dirty,etc hit, but the hit is so hard it knocks a guy out of the game...I'm happy. I never want any player to sustain life or career threatening injuries, but lets be honest...this is football.

I apologize if I am ignorant.

WVRed
09-26-2009, 09:31 PM
I understand your point directed at the moral victory comment. But I'll be the first to say that when a player from a team I am rooting for lays a clean,legal,proper/non-dirty,etc hit, but the hit is so hard it knocks a guy out of the game...I'm happy. I never want any player to sustain life or career threatening injuries, but lets be honest...this is football.

I apologize if I am ignorant.

Bingo.

The hit was perfectly clean. I can't believe Wyndham got that wide open to hit him the way he did.

It's not like it has helped Kentucky. Hartline is going to self-destruct in the coming weeks and tonight is only the beginning.

cincrazy
09-26-2009, 09:32 PM
I understand your point directed at the moral victory comment. But I'll be the first to say that when a player from a team I am rooting for lays a clean,legal,proper/non-dirty,etc hit, but the hit is so hard it knocks a guy out of the game...I'm happy. I never want any player to sustain life or career threatening injuries, but lets be honest...this is football.

I apologize if I am ignorant.

I see your point, but the fact of the matter is it WAS a serious injury. Tebow was carted off the field throwing up, it's not like he bounced right back up and started playing again. I don't think possibly knocking a guy out for several weeks is a moral victory...

WVRed
09-26-2009, 09:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoPRWzh8Q5I&feature=player_embedded

joshnky
09-26-2009, 10:02 PM
I don't think possibly knocking a guy out for several weeks is a moral victory...

I agree. Its fine to enjoy a good hit but when it becomes apparent that the opposing player has suffered a serious head injury the celebration might be a little bit much.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the hit just the celebration of the serious injury to a player with a bright future.

Blimpie
09-26-2009, 10:28 PM
Just got back from the game. Tebow was taken to UK hospital for precautionary measures.

All I can say is, Florida is lucky to have a bye week next weekend. Tebow is going to be feeling the post-concussion symptoms for quite some time.

Boston Red
09-26-2009, 11:13 PM
With Tebow sick, they probably should have sat him this week anyway. They obviously didn't need him.

WVRed
09-27-2009, 08:51 AM
With Tebow sick, they probably should have sat him this week anyway. They obviously didn't need him.

And this is where if I were a Florida fan, I would be letting Urban Meyer feel the heat.

The game was over with by the first quarter and Tebow was sick anyways. He should have sat out the second half but I think Meyer wanted to take a tip from the "ole ball coach" and run the score up.

Now Florida has a date at Tiger Stadium against LSU in a couple of weeks and no certainty that Tebow will be able to play.

jmac
09-27-2009, 01:40 PM
Tebow shouldnt have been in the game in the second half and as the other poster said, they probably wouldnt have needed him at all anyway.
As far as the moral victory, the only thing I can hang my hat on is saying for quarters 2-4 , it was 10-7 Florida. Thats the best I can come up with.
Sacks, good hits etc is one thing but a guy spitting up blood and taken to the hospital doesnt qualify as a moral victory to me. That isnt my style.
Kentucky isnt no where near the same level as Fla but with the game at home, they shouldnt have been beat that bad.
I thought they had a better shot at Alabama than Fla anyway but now, that looks doubtful.

cincrazy
09-27-2009, 02:46 PM
And this is where if I were a Florida fan, I would be letting Urban Meyer feel the heat.

The game was over with by the first quarter and Tebow was sick anyways. He should have sat out the second half but I think Meyer wanted to take a tip from the "ole ball coach" and run the score up.

Now Florida has a date at Tiger Stadium against LSU in a couple of weeks and no certainty that Tebow will be able to play.

Agreed.

Urban Meyer, I hereby introduce you to Karma.

macro
09-27-2009, 03:32 PM
...I think Meyer wanted to take a tip from the "ole ball coach" and run the score up.

Maybe that would explain the long bomb pass attempt with his team leading 31-0.

:thumbdown

As for my musings about the spread being too high, I guess I look pretty silly right now. Take away those Florida scoring drives in the first quarter and the score may have been much closer, however. :cool:

KronoRed
09-27-2009, 03:59 PM
Please, Tebow was in the game because after the 1st quarter the O had struggled, why not leave him in and let him try and get it in sync? as a Gator fan (the only one here funny enough ;) ) I don't blame Meyer one bit, as for running it up, it's the other teams job to stop that.

Injuries happen, cheering for it though, yeah I'm glad I'm not that type of football fan.

WVRed
09-27-2009, 07:00 PM
Please, Tebow was in the game because after the 1st quarter the O had struggled, why not leave him in and let him try and get it in sync? as a Gator fan (the only one here funny enough ;) ) I don't blame Meyer one bit, as for running it up, it's the other teams job to stop that.

Injuries happen, cheering for it though, yeah I'm glad I'm not that type of football fan.

The point is though, the game was pretty much over with by the end of the first quarter and Tebow was sick anyways. It would have made sense to pull him and let Brantley get some more snaps. Why leave Tebow in and put him at risk for injury or getting worse with sickness when there is no need?

And for the record, if Tebow would have been pulled after the first quarter, I really don't think Kentucky would have still had a shot in coming back. That is how much faith I have in Hartline as a starter.

From everything I have read and seen with Tim Tebow, he is an excellent person and I am not knocking him. I do think at the same time that he has been overglorified by ESPN and it really puts him in the same boat as Tom Brady last season. One of the UK websites I read had a lot of people leaving comments before the game on how people shouldn't criticize Tebow because of everything he does, but at the end of the day, i'm just looking at what team he plays for as a fan.

joshnky
09-27-2009, 07:29 PM
I thought they had a better shot at Alabama than Fla anyway but now, that looks doubtful.

After watching them play Arkansas, I think Alabama may be better than Florida.

dabvu2498
09-27-2009, 07:36 PM
After watching them play Arkansas, I think Alabama may be better than Florida. I agree. They have studs all over the place and they finally have a qb that is a real threat.

dabvu2498
09-27-2009, 07:44 PM
As to the Tebow issue, of course he was going to be in there. There are things other than the score and the ineptitude of the other team at play. As to the Tebow hype, most of it is deserved. The kid could go down as the best college football player ever. Add to that the fact that, by all accounts, is a great kid. I am beginning to appreciate him in the same way I appreciate Jeter, Tiger, Pujols, et al, despite the hype.

WVRed
09-30-2009, 09:32 AM
http://chipcosby.bloginky.com/2009/09/29/meyer-foley-thank-uk-for-support-after-tebows-injury/


In a letter to the editor of the Lexington Herald-Leader, Florida football coach Urban Meyer and athletics director Jeremy Foley thanked the University of Kentucky for its assistance following quarterback Tim Tebow’s concussion suffered during the third quarter of the Gators’ 41-7 win over UK on Saturday.

The letter read as follows:

We wanted to take this opportunity to thank the University of Kentucky Athletics Department for its generous assistance and overwhelming support extended to the Florida football program and in particular, Tim Tebow and his family during our visit to Lexington this past weekend.

From the moment Tim was injured on the field, the Kentucky support team
moved into action. The game operations’ staff, medical and athletic
training staff, as well as the police and emergency personnel, were all
quick to respond and operated as one efficient unit.

Mitch Barnhart and his staff should be commended for their
professionalism and commitment to excellence during this time. In
addition, a special thanks should be made to Coach Rich Brooks and his
staff.

The exceptional care and service we received at Commonwealth Stadium
was also extended by the staff at the University of Kentucky Medical
Hospital. We are very grateful for their efforts in making sure Tim and
his family was taken care of.

A heartfelt thanks to the University of Kentucky, the local community
and the entire Wildcat family, whose outpouring of support was very much
appreciated.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Foley Urban Meyer
Athletics Director Head Football Coach
University of Florida University of Florida

BEETTLEBUG
10-01-2009, 12:10 PM
To Ohio and Ky. Redzoners need five tickets for UK-Alabama football game Saturday for face value or ten dollars over face PLEASE

Blimpie
10-01-2009, 01:44 PM
To Ohio and Ky. Redzoners need five tickets for UK-Alabama football game Saturday for face value or ten dollars over face PLEASEGranted, the Florida game had a little more pre-game hype than this one. However, I feel that was more a product of UK coming off the bye week. In any event, you could not get a whiff of tickets for that price last weekend.

Bama comes in to Commonwealth stadium ranked 3rd, so I think you might be hard pressed to find five tickets together for the Bama game at those prices.

Boston Red
10-01-2009, 01:47 PM
Granted, the Florida game had a little more pre-game hype than this one. However, I feel that was more a product of UK coming off the bye week.


Damn, Louiville sucks, but that hurts!

dabvu2498
10-01-2009, 01:53 PM
Granted, the Florida game had a little more pre-game hype than this one. However, I feel that was more a product of UK coming off the bye week. In any event, you could not get a whiff of tickets for that price last weekend. Bama comes in to Commonwealth stadium ranked 3rd, so I think you might be hard pressed to find five tickets together for the Bama game at those prices. There will be a bunch of folks in crimson and houndstooth in the building too. Bama fans are the best road fans in the SEC. Alas, I will be in Nashville for the Vandy-Ole Miss game. There will be a lot of folks from Senatobia, Tupelo, Holly Springs, and Batesville and the like at that one. Great!

macro
10-03-2009, 04:17 PM
The Florida and Alabama losses are a bit disappointing but not at all surprising. So, after the 2-0 start, it would seem that four straight losses are now inevitable. The next two games are at South Carolina and at Auburn, so they should head into the ULM game at 2-4.

The ULM and EKU games should be wins, which would give them four wins for the season, with the remaining games being Miss St, at Vandy, at Georgia, and finally Tennessee at home. Can they win three of those four and have another winning regular season? I have my doubts, but will remain hopeful that they can. The only loss I'm willing to concede is at Georgia.

Boston Red
10-03-2009, 04:22 PM
Hard to tell anything about UK at this point. They've beaten two of the worst teams in I-A and lost to two of the best (if not the two best). So we know they're not one of the worst teams nor one of the best, but you pretty much knew that coming in.

WMR
10-03-2009, 05:05 PM
Mike Hartline makes me nauseous.

jimbo
10-03-2009, 05:15 PM
Mike Hartline makes me nauseous.

Agreed. I'm not sure who their back-up is, but I can't imagine not having any better option than Hartline.

What are UK fans thoughts on Rich Brooks? I have some friends who are Kentucky fans and they say he is well-liked in Lexington. I usually watch them when I can and I have been to a few games and experienced UK tailgating, but I just don't see what they see. I usually see an undisciplined team who makes too many mistakes.

Having experienced game day in Lexington, I can't think of any reason why the Wildcats can't be a yearly force in the SEC.

joshnky
10-03-2009, 05:51 PM
Agreed. I'm not sure who their back-up is, but I can't imagine not having any better option than Hartline.

I may be wrong but I think they're red-shirting both of the promising freshmen QBs. That doesn't make much sense, though, as it will pretty much guarantee that one will transfer. I'd think you'd want to burn the red-shirt on one which might make it more likely that you'll keep both while also improving the QB situation over Hartline.

WVRed
10-03-2009, 09:08 PM
I may be wrong but I think they're red-shirting both of the promising freshmen QBs. That doesn't make much sense, though, as it will pretty much guarantee that one will transfer. I'd think you'd want to burn the red-shirt on one which might make it more likely that you'll keep both while also improving the QB situation over Hartline.

Mossakowski is for sure redshirting. Not sure about Newton, but I would like to see him get some snaps in some wildcat formation plays and get better groomed for this offense.

jmac
10-04-2009, 10:07 PM
I realize the coaches would say Hartline has faced the #1 and #3 teams in the country and yeah, that is true.
However, saturday the problem wasnt Bama's defense on Hartline but rather his inaccuracy in the short passing game. Too many of his passes were either out of reach or the receiver had to catch the ball off ground or even totally stop to make catch. If he would have hit some of our guys in stride, a 2 yard gain may have been a 15 yarder or more.
The turnovers hurt us saturday but also a big part was after we scored 2 straight FG's and had the momentum, we got the ball two straight times around midfield and gained 8 yards combined. You have to take advantage of field position against a team like that. UK didnt.

Blimpie
10-06-2009, 05:05 PM
I have been attending UK home football games for more than 30 years. I don't care which defense is lining up against him, Mike Hartline has the poorest passing skills out of any quarterback I have seen wear the UK uniform.

He throws behind receivers cutting across the middle, he is unable to place any touch on a pass out in the flat, he consistently overthrows wide open receivers who are running 15 yard out patterns, and the next time he "looks off" an intended receiver will be the first time.

Other than that, he is Peyton Manning.

Javy Pornstache
10-06-2009, 07:22 PM
Yes, Hartline's bad, but Wil Fidler is the official second-stringer as of now, and if he's the answer, I don't wanna know the question. They tried to move him out of the QB slot I believe the year before last if that tells you anything about our current backup. Ryan Mossakowski is the one redshirting. Morgan Newton is not redshirting but is not as ready as they were hoping. If he was, he'd already be in, and when he is, he will be your next QB taking snaps.

durl
10-07-2009, 10:08 AM
Why not put Cobb back at QB? I know he's a good receiver, but I believe we need somebody behind center that can make things happen. Hartline's greatest asset is his arm...and it's not overwhelming me right now.

I realize the Cats have played 2 top 5 teams in a row, but that's no excuse for penalties and the general unpreparedness that I've seen. Brooks has shown us that he can get the job done but something's not quite right.

WVRed
10-08-2009, 09:34 AM
Why not put Cobb back at QB? I know he's a good receiver, but I believe we need somebody behind center that can make things happen. Hartline's greatest asset is his arm...and it's not overwhelming me right now.

I realize the Cats have played 2 top 5 teams in a row, but that's no excuse for penalties and the general unpreparedness that I've seen. Brooks has shown us that he can get the job done but something's not quite right.

Who would catch the ball? Matthews was moved to third receiver against Alabama in favor of McCaskill. That's the reason Cobb is at wideout. We just need somebody who can get the ball to him.

WVRed
10-08-2009, 09:36 AM
Also found this slightly amusing. Anybody want to compare Alabama football fans to Kentucky basketball fans? Upshaw had the fumble recovery for a TD at the end of the first half that put the game away for Bama.

http://deadspin.com/5376552/alabama-father-pleased-daughters-domestic-dispute-wont-interfere-with-football-season



Alabama linebacker Courtney Upshaw and his girlfriend both agreed to dismiss charges filed against the other after a lover's spat this summer. No one is more excited about this than the girl's father who exited the courthouse shouting, "Roll Tide!"

Both Upshaw and Kendall Gryzb were arrested after getting in a on-campus fight back in August. (She allegedly slapped him after seeing him talk to another woman and it escalated from there.) Earlier today, a judge agreed to drop the charges against both of them and expunge their records, provided they both complete anger management classes. Sounds good. But none of this would have been possible without the love and support of Kendall's father. His love and support for Alabama football, that is.

From the very beginning, Dave Grzyb told everyone who would listen that his daughter was the one to blame for the whole incident. He even made a personal call to coach Nick Saban, vouching for Upshaw's innocence and as a result, Upshaw was not disciplined by the team. Then after this morning's court hearing, according to the Tuscaloosa News, "Gryzb's father shielded her from news cameras at the Tuscaloosa County Courthouse Wednesday morning. He turned around to yell "Roll Tide!" as they left the building."

Man, if only Romeo could have run 4.4-40 just think what that might have done for the Montagues and the Capulets.

jmac
10-09-2009, 05:37 PM
What channel has the UK game tomorrow ?

macro
10-09-2009, 06:28 PM
What channel has the UK game tomorrow ?

The only thing the Directv guide is showing is Fox Sports South channel 646 and SUN Sports channel 653. Since I don't get either of those in my D* package, I guess I'll have to listen to this one on the radio.

FutureRedsGM
10-09-2009, 07:05 PM
What channel has the UK game tomorrow ?

In the Louisville area, it will be on Insight channel 70 (Fox Sports South).

jmac
10-09-2009, 09:06 PM
I dont know if the broadcast is some sort of SEC telecast or not but here is another question.
I know UK has moved their local broadcast tape delays from FSN Ohio to FS South. Even some of the BB games last season was on FSS live.
Since these packages are received on regional basis , why would Ky move their affiliate from FFO to FSS ?
I live in south central Ky and my "channel" is FSO. Well, the farther North you go (including Louisville and Lexington included), it would only seem logical that the Ohio channel would continue to be the channel.
The farther south you go from my area, you cross over into Tennessee. FSS even shows Braves games as an example.
So does anyone know why UK made this switch since the Ohio region would better serve the majority of Ky area rather than FSS ?
One year, I even ordered the sports package from Direct Tv just to get some of the UK games on FSS only to have them blacked out in my area.
Any info appreciated....

jmac
10-09-2009, 09:08 PM
In the Louisville area, it will be on Insight channel 70 (Fox Sports South).
So do you get the FSS "and" FSO ?

Brutus
10-09-2009, 09:22 PM
Also found this slightly amusing. Anybody want to compare Alabama football fans to Kentucky basketball fans? Upshaw had the fumble recovery for a TD at the end of the first half that put the game away for Bama.

http://deadspin.com/5376552/alabama-father-pleased-daughters-domestic-dispute-wont-interfere-with-football-season

I found it more amusing that the linebacker has more of a girl's name and the girlfriend has more of a guy's name.

Kendall & Courtney. Sounds like a lovely couple.

FutureRedsGM
10-10-2009, 10:23 AM
So do you get the FSS "and" FSO ?

Yes. As part of the basic Insight package, I get Fox Sports Ohio (ch 55) and Fox Sports South (ch 70).

WVRed
10-10-2009, 09:26 PM
Well, if things couldn't get any worse at QB, Hartline, who had probably lost the faith of the entire BBN, is likely done for the season.

Which means Will Fidler is going to start against Auburn. I would venture to say the season is pretty much over right now. :(

jmac
10-10-2009, 09:41 PM
If Fidler stays at QB......you are probably right. Still cant believe Brooks put Fidler in for 2 point try after Cobb led team down field for TD. :rolleyes:
Plenty of other mistakes also like dropped balls and terrible tackling.

jmac
10-11-2009, 12:10 PM
This is two weeks in a row, Drake has dropped what could have been big plays (even TD ).

Scrap Irony
10-11-2009, 01:28 PM
Paging Morgan Newton. Morgan Newton, please pick up the Big Blue courtesy phone. Your team desperately needs your arm, athleticism, and ability. If you find a way to win four games (possible, considering the schedule), you'll be a hero and give hope to all Cat fans.

If not, you'll still find valuable playing time on the field.

Morgan Newton, please pick up.

Seriously, if I were Coach Brooks, I'd simplify the playbook, put in a pretty substantial Wildcat package for Cobb, and play with that. Give Newton about 75% of the snaps behind center, with Cobb playing Wildcat one down in four.

Would be really interesting, anyway.

Javy Pornstache
10-11-2009, 04:52 PM
^ Agred, Scrap. And I think that will wind up being the plan, even if not immediately with the Auburn game, the next three afterward. Morgan's getting more snaps in practice this week for sure.

jmac
10-12-2009, 07:12 PM
According to reports today, Brooks said Netwon and Filder will be competing this week for saturdays starting job vs Auburn.
Apparently, they want to keep Cobb at WR. My gutt would be to start Cobb at QB at Auburn and work Newton in for some plays here and there. After this game, the schedule lightens up finally.

jimbo
10-17-2009, 07:55 PM
Anyone think UK can pull out a win tonight?

Not off to a good start with the blocked field goal and resulting touchdown.

Interested in seeing what the freshman QB can do.

macro
10-17-2009, 09:11 PM
I'm torn on this UK-Auburn game. If UK is going to make a bowl game, then I hope they win every game possible, including this one. If their season is going to tank to the point that this game won't matter in the end, I hope Auburn wins.

The reason is that I'm close friends with Auburn QB Chris Todd's family, and I'm rooting for Auburn for the first season of my life (and given that Chris is a senior, it will probably be the last :D ).

That being said, you're not doing yourself any favors when you go into an SEC opponent's place as a 14-point underdog and spot them seven free points to start the game.

Javy Pornstache
10-17-2009, 10:52 PM
Go Big Blue :D

dabvu2498
10-17-2009, 10:59 PM
Great win! The book is out on how to beat Auburn. The Cats shouldn't have much trouble getting to a bowl with the ooc games and Vandy left. My Dores are gawdawful.

WMR
10-17-2009, 11:04 PM
Hellz yeah

dabvu2498
10-17-2009, 11:07 PM
1st win at on The Plains since 1961?

WMR
10-17-2009, 11:12 PM
First win vs Auburn since 1966 I believe.

Blimpie
10-17-2009, 11:15 PM
You are both right... I think the 1966 win was in Lexington.

Blimpie
10-17-2009, 11:17 PM
Great win! The book is out on how to beat Auburn. The Cats shouldn't have much trouble getting to a bowl with the ooc games and Vandy left. My Dores are gawdawful.Yeah, let them implode. Six offensive penalties on a single drive?

..and when was the last time that UK played a road game without a single penalty?

Great win for the Big Blue.

Boston Red
10-17-2009, 11:22 PM
Great win for UK, but man I hate that offense Auburn runs. Pure gimmick. And Chris Todd is just not a good QB.

Randall Cobb is going to be a Heisman Trophy contender in one of the next two years. He's a stud. And I think this is the year they finally beat Tennessee.

jmac
10-17-2009, 11:32 PM
Games I am "hoping" for wins are :

Miami
louisville
Louisiana Monroe
Miss State
EKU

swing game : Vandy

If they could win those games, it is 6.
Plus you have 2 possible upsets at home in Alabama & Tennessee. (will take a well played game though to stay in it )
Now Louisville could be better than what we think, so I am not counting that as a given.

I feel if UK could somehow win 1 of the oct 3 - oct 17 games, then they will be in pretty good shape.

If UK is 2-4 after their first 6, then the Vandy game may determine whether they get another bowl or not. My guess is by the Vandy game, Newton will have 3 starts under his belt.
Mission accomplished ! Great win for the Cats tonight. :)

macro
10-17-2009, 11:59 PM
I mentioned earlier in this thread that a 2-4 record after six games was a given. I'm happy to be wrong.

At this point, I'm going to be disappointed with anything less than four wins in the next four games, and a 7-3 record heading into the final two games at Georgia and at home to Tennessee. I still think they'll lose at Georgia, but have a sneaking feeling that this may finally be the year they beat Tennessee.

By the way, I think it's worth noting that they used three different players at QB tonight and have used four in the past two games!

jmac
10-18-2009, 10:46 AM
Brooks said after the game, the reason he pulled Newton was because he wasnt giving the plays long enough to develope which will come with experience. He said Newton would see action against LM.
One more note was , he said the coaches decided early in week to go with Newton but didnt go public.
I saw good things in Newton and :beerme: to Cobb and Lock.
UK has been putting together a nice string of games in the rushing yardage department.
Defense played a super game as well.
Great job guys !

cumberlandreds
10-19-2009, 08:43 AM
Great win for UK! They won in Auburn for the first time in my life. I was only three when they last beat Auburn in 1966. Before the season there was quite a bit of talk about ending some losing streaks this season. This was one that was never mentioned. Now if they can end that awful one against the Vols......
Anyway there's good opportunity to win the next four. With UGA and UT not at their best this season who knows....

RedRoser
10-19-2009, 09:51 AM
Great win for UK, but man I hate that offense Auburn runs. Pure gimmick. And Chris Todd is just not a good QB.

Randall Cobb is going to be a Heisman Trophy contender in one of the next two years. He's a stud. And I think this is the year they finally beat Tennessee.

Man, you don't know HOW MUCH I hope that last sentence of yours is true!:D

durl
10-19-2009, 04:38 PM
Why not put Cobb back at QB? I know he's a good receiver, but I believe we need somebody behind center that can make things happen.

Yep...quoting myself for talking about putting Cobb in at QB. :D The kid flat-out got the job done at Auburn.

Actually, the whole team did pretty well. Zero turnovers and zero penalties...simply amazing.

cumberlandreds
10-20-2009, 08:03 AM
Yep...quoting myself for talking about putting Cobb in at QB. :D The kid flat-out got the job done at Auburn.

Actually, the whole team did pretty well. Zero turnovers and zero penalties...simply amazing.

I think we will see a lot of Cobb,Newton and Fidler rotating at QB the rest of the season. That may good in that it gives other teams a lot different things to prepare for each week.

durl
10-20-2009, 08:57 AM
I think we will see a lot of Cobb,Newton and Fidler rotating at QB the rest of the season. That may good in that it gives other teams a lot different things to prepare for each week.

I agree. While I don't believe that's the traditional ideal way to run a team, the purpose is to move the ball down the field and score more points than the opponent. If that's best done by running 3 QBs out there, then so be it.

Showtime did a series about the history of the AFL...fascinating stuff. Those offenses did things non-traditionally (the West Coast offense actually originated in Cincinnati...the last team to enter the AFL) and it really opened up the game.

macro
11-01-2009, 12:02 AM
Disappointing effort from the Cats tonight in letting Mississippi State come in and beat them at home. State had won three games before tonight, over Jackson State, Vanderbilt, and Middle Tennessee State, although I will admit that they've played some really good teams tough.

I was surprised when I saw that Kentucky was only favored by 3.5 points. I really thought it should have been more like 7 or 8 points or so. Regardless, if they were the team they aspire to be, they would have taken care of business tonight by 7-10 points.

I went into tonight hopeful for an 8-4 season. Now I'm thinking 6-6, which is about what many of us expected of them in the first place. So I guess we should be neither surprised nor disappointed if/when it happens.

Javy Pornstache
11-01-2009, 12:51 AM
I guess the home MSU loss counterbalances the road win at Auburn if you wanna look at it that way. That's how I reconciled losing to them in 2007 after we won at Arkansas when most thought it was improbable. I'm dusting off excuses now :D They're 4-4 with 4 games left, if EKU is a probable win and at Georgia is a probable loss, they must at least split the games at Vanderbilt and at home versus Tennessee to get to that 6-6 mark.

jimbo
11-01-2009, 01:29 AM
I went into tonight hopeful for an 8-4 season. Now I'm thinking 6-6, which is about what many of us expected of them in the first place.

Which would make them bowl eligible, correct?

I know a lot of UK fans and they all seem to be content with merely a bowl game from season to season. Having witnessed UK football in person, along with their following, I can't figure out why their fans are just content with a 6 win season and a bowl game. What is stopping them from being an SEC powerhouse football program?

FutureRedsGM
11-01-2009, 08:51 AM
Why no Will Fidler last night? I thought that loss rested on the shoulders of young Morgan Newton and his inability to move the ball down the field. Randall Cobb is a superstar in the making, but he can't do it all by himself. Newton can probably handle EKU next week, but if Hartline isn't back for Vandy, Fidler needs to get into the QB rotation.

macro
11-01-2009, 10:31 AM
Which would make them bowl eligible, correct?

I know a lot of UK fans and they all seem to be content with merely a bowl game from season to season. Having witnessed UK football in person, along with their following, I can't figure out why their fans are just content with a 6 win season and a bowl game. What is stopping them from being an SEC powerhouse football program?

Oh, I agree with you, jimbo. My comment about this year's expectations was based on the fact that, given the schedule and the team they had work with, that anything over 6-6 would be a pleasant surprise.

I'm certainly not content or happy with 6-6, but I'm not surprised, either. The main reason the fan base is so easily contented is that they've never tasted true success. If the program ever goes 11-1 and competes for a national championship, then 8-4 will become reason to be disappointed and 6-6 will be reason for revolt and outrage.

I do believe that they're on the right track, and there's a good chance that eventually the stars will line up for them. What I mean by that is they put one of their best teams on the field and that will coincide with catching their toughest opponents on a down year, instead of catching them when they're ranked #1 or #2. (Of course a "down" year for teams like Florida will be that they'll still be ranked 17th or something like that.)

They will finally beat Florida. They will finally beat Tennessee. And perhaps both will even happen in a given season. One can dream. :D

Scrap Irony
11-01-2009, 01:22 PM
The best Kentucky can hope for is a one or two year stretch wherein everything that can go right does, while things generally go wrong for perennial powers in the SEC East (Florida, Tennessee, Georgia).

If that happens, the Cats could conceivably go Top Five and compete for a National Title.

Saying that, I'm extremely doubtful that happens. UK has miles to go before they're competitive with the upper echelon of the SEC and nation.

Boston Red
11-01-2009, 02:26 PM
I take back the idea that UK is breaking the streak against Tennessee this year. Looks unlikely again. The Vandy game is huge for them.

Sea Ray
11-01-2009, 06:11 PM
What is stopping them from being an SEC powerhouse football program?


It should be obvious to any UK fan what's holding them back. It's the same thing that makes the basketball program successful. It's recruiting. According to Scout.com, UK's recruiting class for 2010 is last in the SEC, 61st overall.

They were ranked 53rd in 2008, 58th in 2007. The best class of recent years was 27th in 2009. Let's take that year since it was a great recruiting year by "Kentucky" standards. It was ranked next to last in the tough SEC. The only SEC team with a lower rated recruiting class was Vanderbilt. Alabama was #2, LSU #3, Georgia #4, and Tennesse #8.

2010 class is a work in progress but right now Tennessee is sitting at #8 nationally but #5 in the SEC. The athletes are going to the SEC and that's why conferences like the Big Ten can't keep up.

Kentucky just doesn't have the athletes to compete with the big boys in the SEC. It's as simple as that.

joshnky
11-01-2009, 08:39 PM
It should be obvious to any UK fan what's holding them back. It's the same thing that makes the basketball program successful.

Some of their recruiting ineptitude is related to the level of talent in the state of Kentucky. Compared to the rest of the SEC, Kentucky has a very poor level of high school football. However, that doesn't mean the state doesn't produce any top level talent and they've lost some of that talent to Louisville over the years.

Although, in the Petrino years, UofL overcame their recruiting disadvantage by getting the top players in Kentucky and then using games against Miami and Florida St to mine some good players out of the state of Florida.

I wonder how much of the relatively poor recruiting is a condemnation of Rich Brooks.

WMR
11-01-2009, 09:11 PM
:lol: It appears we've got a couple folks in this thread who need to brush up on their UK football history.

joshnky
11-02-2009, 06:13 AM
:lol: It appears we've got a couple folks in this thread who need to brush up on their UK football history.

I greatly enjoy when UK fans bring up their history. It confirms to me that they're no longer relevant in the present.

WVRed
11-02-2009, 08:52 AM
Some of their recruiting ineptitude is related to the level of talent in the state of Kentucky. Compared to the rest of the SEC, Kentucky has a very poor level of high school football. However, that doesn't mean the state doesn't produce any top level talent and they've lost some of that talent to Louisville over the years.

Although, in the Petrino years, UofL overcame their recruiting disadvantage by getting the top players in Kentucky and then using games against Miami and Florida St to mine some good players out of the state of Florida.

I wonder how much of the relatively poor recruiting is a condemnation of Rich Brooks.

I agree pretty much with everything in regards to recruiting in the state of Kentucky. Once in a while, a Brian Brohm, Micah Johnson, or Tim Couch will come along, but the talent just drops off immediately.


I greatly enjoy when UK fans bring up their history. It confirms to me that they're no longer relevant in the present.

There is quite a parallel between Kentucky football and basketball history. Football has been mired in mediocrity, especially in the SEC where we are still looking to beat Florida, Tennessee, and Steve Spurrier. I do think Rich Brooks has done a much better job recruiting than a lot of people will give credit for because he understands that you need SPEED to at least compete in the SEC.

I don't know if Kentucky can or will ever compete for a BCS bowl bid. Unlike most other schools, the focus is going to be on basketball and football will come second fiddle. With that in mind, it is going to be a tough sell if UK ever decided to make a coaching change to bring in an elite coach or even to attract top recruits from out of state.

joshnky
11-02-2009, 09:42 AM
I agree pretty much with everything in regards to recruiting in the state of Kentucky. Once in a while, a Brian Brohm, Micah Johnson, or Tim Couch will come along, but the talent just drops off immediately.


Unfortunately, for whatever reason, this state is really poor for high school athletics all the way around. That makes it essential that you land the elite players because they will enable you to make a brief run. UK had some success when they landed Couch and then later, Woodson, and Micah Johnson has played a huge role in the defensive resurgence (barring the recent travesty at MSU). Also, UofL landed Bush and Brohm and made a nice run until they graduated. Too bad the talent in the state is so inconsistent and shallow.

Sea Ray
11-02-2009, 10:55 AM
Schools like UK really benefit from all the Bowls nowadays. They can't compete in the SEC but they can schedule 4 patsy non conference games, then manage to pull out 2 wins in their SEC schedule and wham, they're bowl eligible. It's Music City Bowl here we come. It's a formula that has held the interest of the fanbase as evidenced by all the action in this thread.

jimbo
11-02-2009, 11:17 AM
I wonder how much of the relatively poor recruiting is a condemnation of Rich Brooks.

This is the point I was originally trying to see if anyone would bring up. From my experience with UK football fans, I get the impression that they are generally happy with what Brooks has done at UK. My question is why always just settle for what they currently have? I just haven't seen anything from Brooks that shows me he can take the program to another level. I haven't seen the athletes you need to compete in the SEC, and usually see a lot of undisciplined football on the field.

A few of my friends have brought up the sanctions that the program had during the previous two coaching eras, so maybe that has something to do with the acceptance of Brooks. He has turned that around and kept the program on the up and up, along with winning some bowl games.

But I just know from going to UK games, that the environment there on game days are just as big-time as anywhere else I've been. It even made me somewhat of a closet UK fan. I just think the program has the potential to be better.

macro
11-02-2009, 11:52 AM
Schools like UK really benefit from all the Bowls nowadays. They can't compete in the SEC but they can schedule 4 patsy non conference games, then manage to pull out 2 wins in their SEC schedule and wham, they're bowl eligible. It's Music City Bowl here we come. It's a formula that has held the interest of the fanbase as evidenced by all the action in this thread.

I can't disagree with anything you said right there. I have been encouraged, and yes, somewhat enthused, by the three straight bowl wins. As long as they go 6-6 or 7-5 every year, they'll hold my attention and I'll remain hopeful for big things. But I won't continue to be content with that. If someone rubbed a crystal ball and told me that 7-5 or 8-4 is the best the team is going to be for the next ten years, I'm not sure I would bother even watching. But it's the hope (false or real) that keeps UK fans coming back.

When you stand back and really look at it, the program has been hanging its hat on a single 2007 victory over top-ranked LSU. I read earlier this year that Brooks' record against the SEC East, when you omit Vanderbilt, was 1-23 going into this season. They've already lost to South Carolina and Florida, so it's 1-25 going into the Georgia and Tennessee games.

Yes, there have been some pleasing wins here and there, with this year's win at Auburn being one. But the success the team has enjoyed has rested to an extent on wins over the weak sisters on the non-conference schedule. On the other hand, when your conference schedule includes games against ranked opponents in five or six of the eight games, you have to schedule those weak teams. They're certainly not built into the conference schedule, as they are with most other conferences.

Scrap Irony
11-02-2009, 12:56 PM
Kentucky football: The Salieri of the BCS

WVRed
11-02-2009, 02:08 PM
This is the point I was originally trying to see if anyone would bring up. From my experience with UK football fans, I get the impression that they are generally happy with what Brooks has done at UK. My question is why always just settle for what they currently have? I just haven't seen anything from Brooks that shows me he can take the program to another level. I haven't seen the athletes you need to compete in the SEC, and usually see a lot of undisciplined football on the field.


I don't question Rich Brooks ability to recruit. What I do question however is his (as well as Joker Phillips) decisions when the game is on the line. South Carolina and Mississippi State were both games that were ultimately lost on coaching decisions and the absence of Randall Cobb.

In all honesty, Kentucky has had talent the past three seasons that I believe has underachieved and could have likely done a lot better if there was a coaching staff in place that could take the program to the next level.

Mediocrity is good when you have been the doormat in the SEC for some time. Problem is that after awhile you start to hope for something better and take the step forward from being mediocre to good to great.

jmac
11-03-2009, 07:38 AM
Yeah UK schedules softer opposition for non confernece games but they arent alone even among SEC schools. Also, as Colin Cowherd stated the other day, playing the likes of Florida-Alabama-LSU-Georgia etc week after week, why would a team want to schedule Ohio State and Oklahoma as non conference games.

cumberlandreds
11-03-2009, 09:00 AM
I take back the idea that UK is breaking the streak against Tennessee this year. Looks unlikely again. The Vandy game is huge for them.

They have to beat EKU and Vandy if they want a bowl,IMO. Even though UGA and UT are down this year UK has very little chance to beat them.
Very disappointing loss to MSU Saturday. The play calling was beyond atrocious. When you have a first and goal and you don't run a play for Cobb,Locke or even Conner that is just horrible. The defense is beat up but to let a RB run over you all night is almost inexcusable too. Just a very disappointing effort all way around. Looks like Shreveport here we come.

jmac
11-03-2009, 02:52 PM
Hartline said the other night he might be back in 2 weeks.

FutureRedsGM
11-07-2009, 02:00 PM
Boise St is issuing a challenge!!!!

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

If you were UK or UL would you want this game? Would UK or UL be a "big enough" game to get the exposure and recognition that Boise wants?

WMR
11-07-2009, 02:26 PM
Boise St. needs to get out of that conference. Big 13?

joshnky
11-07-2009, 02:36 PM
Would UK or UL be a "big enough" game to get the exposure and recognition that Boise wants?

Given that they're having such a hard time scheduling this game I think they're looking for bigger fish than UK or UofL. I'm confident that Louisville would take that deal (they had a home-home with Utah) but Boise (and ESPN) is looking for a top ten match-up.

WMR
11-07-2009, 02:56 PM
This team really misses Randall Cobb.

jmac
11-07-2009, 05:54 PM
This team really misses Randall Cobb.

That is for sure. However, considering Cobb and Locke were both out, I thought some guys really stepped up. Matthews may be settling in and Newton seems like he is maturing more even though it was only EKU.
Hartline is possible for Vandy according to Coach after game.

WMR
11-07-2009, 05:55 PM
This has certainly been invaluable experience for the freshman QB.

jmac
11-07-2009, 06:02 PM
This has certainly been invaluable experience for the freshman QB.

Brooks said after the game when Hartline comes back, if he should "not play well", UK has a more than adequate guy to come in.
So apparently MN has earned a little confidence from his coach. :thumbup:

George Foster
11-10-2009, 09:10 PM
Me and the Family are driving down to Nashville on Friday for the game. It is going to be 70 degrees! This is great! I've been to Nashville for some very cold Kentucky-Vandy games. I'm due a good weather game. Go Cats!!

I had to give up my basketball tickets for the Morehead game...I won't miss another one.

dabvu2498
11-10-2009, 10:32 PM
Me and the Family are driving down to Nashville on Friday for the game. It is going to be 70 degrees! This is great! I've been to Nashville for some very cold Kentucky-Vandy games. I'm due a good weather game. Go Cats!! I had to give up my basketball tickets for the Morehead game...I won't miss another one. I am going to both!

WMR
11-21-2009, 11:24 PM
Kentucky beats Georgia in Athens!

First time since 77.

Massive victory. Moves UK to 7-4.

WMR
11-21-2009, 11:26 PM
Yeah UK schedules softer opposition for non confernece games but they arent alone even among SEC schools. Also, as Colin Cowherd stated the other day, playing the likes of Florida-Alabama-LSU-Georgia etc week after week, why would a team want to schedule Ohio State and Oklahoma as non conference games.

Very true. Don't listen to the haters in this thread. They're primarily fans of other SEC schools who just like to hate. I wonder whether many of them even follow the sport that closely. It's hardly UK's fault that the Louisville program has turned into garbage.

macro
11-22-2009, 12:18 AM
Wow, road wins at Georgia and at Auburn in the same year! Beating Tennessee for the first time since 1983 (?) next week would complete the trifecta. It's too bad they didn't take care of business at home against Miss State. They'd be looking at a possible 9-3, with two of the three losses coming to #1 and #2.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 01:10 AM
Wow, road wins at Georgia and at Auburn in the same year! Beating Tennessee for the first time since 1983 (?) next week would complete the trifecta. It's too bad they didn't take care of business at home against Miss State. They'd be looking at a possible 9-3, with the three losses coming to #1, #2, and #25.

You can't look at it that way macro. We should of beat South Carolina and Mississippi State at home, but you could make the argument that we should not of beat Auburn and Georgia on the road...it's a push. I think we are EXACTLY were we should be after 11 games. 7 wins, with a real good chance for 8 wins, next week at home against Tennessee. If we beat Tennessee, we finish 2nd in the SEC east! WOW...I think coach Brooks would be a good bet as SEC coach of the year. He has the respect of the other coaches, and the other coaches want an excuse NOT to vote for Saban and Meyer...any excuse.

jmac
11-22-2009, 09:03 AM
I loved the banner they showed a UK fan holding :

In Pap-Paw we trust with a pic of Coach Brooks. :D

Nice win. The defense really got it together after getting burned early. Cobb & Locke = The Dynamic Duo

WVRed
11-22-2009, 01:02 PM
I'm starting to think that a Kentucky-West Virginia matchup in the Papajohns.com bowl is a very good possibility. I'm really not looking forward to it given I live in the heart of Mountaineer country and my girlfriend's family are all on the bandwagon since her sister goes there.

WVU has the speed to match up with Kentucky, but the decision making by Bill Stewart and QB Jarrett Brown leave a lot to be desired. WVU has tailed off somewhat since Rodriguez left and it is showing. I would love for nothing more than to beat the Mountaineers in a bowl game.

joshnky
11-22-2009, 05:38 PM
I'm starting to think that a Kentucky-West Virginia matchup in the Papajohns.com bowl is a very good possibility.

This bowl overlaps the UK-UofL basketball game. I think UK will strongly encourage the bowl committee not to take them with the expectation that the fans won't travel to a bowl when it would mean missing the most-hyped game of the year.

George Foster
11-22-2009, 07:44 PM
I'm starting to think that a Kentucky-West Virginia matchup in the Papajohns.com bowl is a very good possibility. I'm really not looking forward to it given I live in the heart of Mountaineer country and my girlfriend's family are all on the bandwagon since her sister goes there.

WVU has the speed to match up with Kentucky, but the decision making by Bill Stewart and QB Jarrett Brown leave a lot to be desired. WVU has tailed off somewhat since Rodriguez left and it is showing. I would love for nothing more than to beat the Mountaineers in a bowl game.

No way. With a loss to Tennessee we will go to the Chicky bowl in Atlanta, and with a win, a New Years Day bowl in Tampa. If Arkansas beats LSU, heck we go to the Capital One Bowl if we beat Tennessee.

cumberlandreds
11-23-2009, 08:06 AM
I'm starting to think that a Kentucky-West Virginia matchup in the Papajohns.com bowl is a very good possibility. I'm really not looking forward to it given I live in the heart of Mountaineer country and my girlfriend's family are all on the bandwagon since her sister goes there.

WVU has the speed to match up with Kentucky, but the decision making by Bill Stewart and QB Jarrett Brown leave a lot to be desired. WVU has tailed off somewhat since Rodriguez left and it is showing. I would love for nothing more than to beat the Mountaineers in a bowl game.

They are going to a much better bowl than the pizza bowl. It will probably be either steak (Outback) or chicken (Chik-fil-A). Many are saying the winner of the UK/UT game will go to the Outback Bowl and the loser to Atlanta. Either one is a bowl upgrade for UK from the past three years.
This is best chance UK has had in beating Tennessee in a long time. They need to take care of them and this long awful losing streak to them that goes back to 1984.

Scrap Irony
11-23-2009, 08:21 AM
If Kentucky beats Tennessee and wins their bowl game, is this the most successful season since 1984? 1977? 1951?

Is this as big as Woodson's last season, where they beat LSU and broke into the Top Ten?

cumberlandreds
11-23-2009, 10:20 AM
If Kentucky beats Tennessee and wins their bowl game, is this the most successful season since 1984? 1977? 1951?

Is this as big as Woodson's last season, where they beat LSU and broke into the Top Ten?

IMO, if they beat UT and win their bowl game its the best season since 1977. 1984 is close though. 1951 was before my time but I'm guessing that's one they beat Oklahoma in the bowls? That has to be UK's best season ever. I can remember 1977 very well. They killed most teams they played and is easily the best team I have seen at UK. They shut out UGA and LSU that season. They did have a lot injuries by the end of the season and barely beat UT but couldn't go to a bowl game due to probation. Before the 1976 season ended UK learned they would be on probation and had the choice to sit out the bowl season in 76 or 77. They hadn't been to a bowl in like 20 years so they chose to go bowling in 76. They went to the Peach Bowl and beat UNC before about 41,000 UK fans. Of course looking back you had no idea 1977 would that great of a year.

macro
11-23-2009, 10:51 AM
The 1977 team finished the season ranked #6, IIRC.

Although the bowl may be better, this season has not had the highlights of beating the #1 team and being ranked in the Top 10. They've had a good season, but haven't hit the emotional highs or gotten the national attention that the team two years ago did. Won't complain about a season that includes wins at Auburn and at Georgia, though.

Sea Ray
11-23-2009, 11:16 AM
This is best chance UK has had in beating Tennessee in a long time. They need to take care of them and this long awful losing streak to them that goes back to 1984.

Indeed it is. This is not the same Tennessee team that played Alabama and Florida tough. This team is injury ravaged on the defensive side of the ball. This will particularly become evident late in the game where depth will be an issue. The game's at UK. UT is recruiting very well. They will reload and be on the upswing come next year if Kiffin doesn't get them put on probation or anything so take your shots now UK fans...

cumberlandreds
11-23-2009, 11:22 AM
The 1977 team finished the season ranked #6, IIRC.

Although the bowl may be better, this season has not had the highlights of beating the #1 team and being ranked in the Top 10. They've had a good season, but haven't hit the emotional highs or gotten the national attention that the team two years ago did. Won't complain about a season that includes wins at Auburn and at Georgia, though.

Yes that 1977 team was ranked #6 at the end of the season.
I do think that 2007 team had better oevrall talent than this team. The QB was unquestionably better as was the WR's. They lost a really tough game against Tennessee that hurt their overall legacy. Win that one and that team would have looked a whole lot better in the end.

joshnky
11-23-2009, 11:37 AM
The 1977 team finished the season ranked #6, IIRC.

Although the bowl may be better, this season has not had the highlights of beating the #1 team and being ranked in the Top 10. They've had a good season, but haven't hit the emotional highs or gotten the national attention that the team two years ago did. Won't complain about a season that includes wins at Auburn and at Georgia, though.

While not a UK fan, I agree with your assessment here. UK has largely capitalized on a down year in the SEC to put up a better record. That 2007 team had to face a much tougher schedule overall, including a much better Louisville.

Sea Ray
11-24-2009, 03:36 PM
Well today the UT defense got a little help:


Janzen Jackson was cleared of all charges on Monday in an attempted armed robbery case, and one day later the Tennessee freshman was cleared to return to all team activities.

And his starting spot at free safety is waiting for him.

jimbo
11-25-2009, 11:27 AM
Have to admit, I've had my doubts about Rich Brooks but considering the quarterback situation, this season may be his best coaching job yet.

macro
11-25-2009, 03:19 PM
Well today the UT defense got a little help:

I would have preferred that they be as shorthanded as possible, at least until after this Saturday. :cool:

macro
11-28-2009, 10:29 PM
Huge missed opportunity for the Cats tonight. Kentucky will never beat Tennessee in football. They never will.

WMR
11-28-2009, 10:44 PM
Joker was a joke tonight. This one hurts bad. How do you not have Cobb on that last sweep heading in????

WMR
11-28-2009, 10:50 PM
Locke carried the ball THREE times in the 2nd half. Wow.

George Foster
11-28-2009, 11:50 PM
Locke carried the ball THREE times in the 2nd half. Wow.

And Cobb touched the ball once in OT and had to pitch the option. Uhhh??
Thanks for the play calling Joker Phillips:thumbup:

Sea Ray
11-29-2009, 09:48 AM
Joker was a joke tonight. This one hurts bad. How do you not have Cobb on that last sweep heading in????

The Tennessee offensive play calling was just as bad. In fact, worse was the play execution. Clearly Tennessee was in a super conservative mode because they were confident they could stop UK's offense, yet the execution didn't match the play calling. When Stocker caught the roll out pass with 2:40 left in the game and had the first down, he should have had both arms around the football and maybe even slid to the turf. The only thing that could have sunk the Vols at that point was a fumble. That's not a point in the game where you care about gaining more yards. If your game execution isn't in synch with your game plan then it's a mess.

It's pretty amazing that the winner of that game was going to be #2 in the SEC East. That doesn't reflect well on that half of the conference. I'm hoping Tennessee does not get one of the Citrus or Outback bids. Unless they get healthy and get it together they're liable to embarrass the conference

cumberlandreds
11-30-2009, 07:58 AM
Huge missed opportunity for the Cats tonight. Kentucky will never beat Tennessee in football. They never will.

I agree with you. I am 46 years old and I don't think I will live long enough to UK beat them again. Just horrid play calling in the 2nd half. And especially down the stretch. How do you not keep the ball in Cobb's hands on that last drive to end regulation. Also and this is just me but I would have gone for it on 4th down. Sometimes to take a program up a level you have to take risks. You have to send a statement to your team that you are not settling for a tie and go to overtime. That you are taking it to them and you are going to win it the game right there. I know taking the FG was the safe and by the book thing to do. Many times it is the right thing to do. But in this instance I don't think it was. I said when they sent Seiber out to kick the FG that they lost the game. You just knew they could not beat Tennessee in overtime.
Oh well. Whatever bowl they go to I will get excited about it when it comes around. But right now its just disappointing that they just can't seem to make that one small step forward.

jimbo
11-30-2009, 09:32 AM
Just found this link in the Kelly thread and noticed the mention that Rich Brooks is close to announcing his retirement at the end of the season. Has this been floating around and I've just missed it?

http://www.footballcoachscoop.com/Scoop.html

cumberlandreds
11-30-2009, 10:16 AM
Just found this link in the Kelly thread and noticed the mention that Rich Brooks is close to announcing his retirement at the end of the season. Has this been floating around and I've just missed it?

http://www.footballcoachscoop.com/Scoop.html

Before the season he said he said something like the the off season is getting shorter and he would like spend more time with his family. I think this may be it for him. If not now then next season will probably wrap it up for him. He is about 68 and I'm sure the pressure of playing in the SEC is very wearing to him.

WVRed
11-30-2009, 11:17 AM
Before the season he said he said something like the the off season is getting shorter and he would like spend more time with his family. I think this may be it for him. If not now then next season will probably wrap it up for him. He is about 68 and I'm sure the pressure of playing in the SEC is very wearing to him.

After this performance and some of the other questionable decision making, I am not sure that Joker Phillips is the guy I want going forward.

Rich Brooks has done a tremendous job bringing in quality talent and keeping the local talent in state. I love what he has done bringing in the athletes needed to play in the SEC.

What I hate just as much though is the decision making. Some games such as Georgia and Auburn were called to perfection, while the South Carolina, Mississippi State, and Tennessee games were lost primarily on play calling. I blame that on Joker Phillips.

If Kentucky could bring in somebody who is a good X's and O's coach with the talent already in place, I believe we could contend in the SEC East as early as next season. Florida is going to be down and we have played everybody else pretty close.

One thing I will credit Tennessee for is their second half play calling. They controlled the clock and wore down the Kentucky defense. I knew that if the game went to overtime that Tennessee would likely win because Kentucky's offense spent the entire second half on the sidelines. Having a true freshman at QB going into full meltdown mode doesn't help matters either.

cumberlandreds
11-30-2009, 11:28 AM
Looks like the MCB bowl once again playing against UNC. I will get more enthused about this the closer we get to gametime. But right now I'm not.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/story/218027.html

jimbo
11-30-2009, 11:43 AM
If Kentucky could bring in somebody who is a good X's and O's coach with the talent already in place, I believe we could contend in the SEC East as early as next season. Florida is going to be down and we have played everybody else pretty close.


Brian Kelly?

Probably a slim to none chance, but I really think he could take this program to a level of national prominence. If UK could come up with a good enough package, he'd be a great fit there.

Having said that, I think it's just a pipe dream.

macro
11-30-2009, 02:44 PM
Looks like the MCB bowl once again playing against UNC. I will get more enthused about this the closer we get to gametime. But right now I'm not.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/story/218027.html

If that's the bowl game, I won't watch it. :thumbdown

WMR
11-30-2009, 02:56 PM
Wow... gotta admit, UK football--or fan's expectations at least--have come a long way.

WMR
11-30-2009, 02:56 PM
I for one would love to watch us whip UNC's tail. (Perhaps 2x in a month?) :D

Sea Ray
11-30-2009, 03:04 PM
I agree with you. I am 46 years old and I don't think I will live long enough to UK beat them again. Just horrid play calling in the 2nd half. And especially down the stretch. How do you not keep the ball in Cobb's hands on that last drive to end regulation?

My guess is Cobb was worn out from everything he'd done earlier in the game. That really wears on a player.

macro
11-30-2009, 10:57 PM
Wow... gotta admit, UK football--or fan's expectations at least--have come a long way.

I'll admit that mine have, MilyMo. I'm no longer excited about 7-5 and a bowl game in Nashville. I am impressed by what the team has accomplished, given that they've used three QBs (in the same game, no less) and finished the year with a true freshman at the position. But after hearing talk of a January 1 bowl game, the Tennessee loss and talk of another Music City Bowl puts a big damper on the season for me.

I hope they can win their fourth straight bowl game, but I'm afraid I'll have trouble getting too fired up about it. I'll need 8-4 or 9-3 next season to be giddy. I'll forgive losses at Florida, at Tennessee, and at Ole Miss. I want them to win the rest.

WMR
11-30-2009, 11:33 PM
I think it's great that expectations have been raised. Six years ago, who'd have ever thunk we'd ever know such a thing as expectations when it came to Kentucky football. I'm incredibly disappointed how things turned out. That Tennessee game was winnable, plain and simple, if we put the ball in our playmakers hands. I'm sorry, I just don't buy that Cobb was tired. He wanted that damn ball.

cumberlandreds
12-01-2009, 08:00 AM
My guess is Cobb was worn out from everything he'd done earlier in the game. That really wears on a player.

I don't think he was at all. Just Joker out thinking himself once again. Go with the guy that brung you. He thought he could fool UT with something else. I've read that the UT players were really surprised and thankful that Cobb didn't get the ball inside the ten.
Looking like UK will play UNC or Miami in the MCB Bowl unless Chik-Fil-A Bowl pulls a surprise and picks UK over UGA,USCJr. or Auburn. The MCB Bowl has pretty much said if UK is available they are taking them.

jmac
12-01-2009, 07:53 PM
My guess is Cobb was worn out from everything he'd done earlier in the game. That really wears on a player.

You may be right but to me it is like resting a pitcher on the last day of the season when he has the offseason to rest. I mean Cobb at 60 % would still have been better than Newton at full strength. That being said, UT played very well on offense and I cringed everytime Hardesty got the ball cause I figured he would break it. I have a feeling UT is headed back.

jmac
12-01-2009, 07:57 PM
Forgot to add I finally saw Massakowski in uniform this season on sidelines. I really hope Joker/RB gives him a look next season.
I think he may be a better compliment to the CobbCat with his dropback Pro style throws. Newton at times has impressed but overall , his accuracy worries me as much as the " learning stuff " like reads etc.

jimbo
12-27-2009, 01:08 PM
Clemson has suspended four players for Sunday night's Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl against Kentucky, according to local reports.

Coach Dabo Swinney said four reserves -- defensive tackles Jamie Cumbie and Rennie Moore, tight end Durrell Barry and receiver Kyle Johnson -- would not play in the game (ESPN, 8:30 p.m.).

Swinney said the players had violated a 1 a.m. curfew Wednesday night, the team's first in Nashville last week as it prepared for the game.

"The first night here I gave them a little later curfew," Swinney said Saturday, according to The Greenville (S.C.) News. "Plenty of time to go out, have a good time and get back."

Barry and Johnson are seniors, but Cumbie, a junior, was a key piece as part of the regular rotation in the Tigers' defensive line.

Cumbie recorded 60 tackles and two sacks this season. Moore had 19 tackles with two sacks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls09/news/story?id=4773749

Could be a small advantage for UK.

My Prediction:

Kentucky 28
Clemson 24

Go Cats!!

WVRed
12-28-2009, 09:34 AM
21-13 Clemson beats Kentucky. Spiller shredded them for 172 all purpose yards.

The bigger news is that the Joker Phillips era is set to begin. Brooks announced after the game that this season would likely be his last. I'm willing to give Phillips a chance, but with some of the playcalling earlier this season, i'm hoping things change quickly.

macro
12-28-2009, 11:05 AM
I have some reservations about the Phillips promotion, as well. UK isn't going to get a "name" coach to come to Lexington, but I would like to have seen them bring in someone who had proven themselves as a HC at a smaller D1 school. The Joker era could turn out great, but it could also be a big disappointment. When it comes to UK football, I'm conditioned to expect the latter.

WVRed
12-28-2009, 02:27 PM
I have some reservations about the Phillips promotion, as well. UK isn't going to get a "name" coach to come to Lexington, but I would like to have seen them bring in someone who had proven themselves as a HC at a smaller D1 school. The Joker era could turn out great, but it could also be a big disappointment. When it comes to UK football, I'm conditioned to expect the latter.

My biggest problem with Phillips has to do with playcalling that has cost us some big games this season. Namely Tennessee, South Carolina, and even Mississippi State.

I will always contend that UK has the speed and talent to match up with most teams in the SEC outside of Florida and possibly Alabama. Rich Brooks did a phenomenal job bringing in three star recruits that have all the potential in the world. Derrick Locke and Randall Cobb are prime examples. The problem is that talent has never lived up to the expectations or taken a step forward to making Kentucky an elite SEC team. I place that blame on Brooks and Phillips.

This would be a serious longshot and possibly unthinkable, but there is somebody I would love to see get a shot with the players we have in place, and that is Gus Malzahn. I would love to see what he could do with running the wildcat offense with Newton, Cobb, and Locke back next season. We saw glimpses of it last night.

cumberlandreds
12-29-2009, 07:59 AM
21-13 Clemson beats Kentucky. Spiller shredded them for 172 all purpose yards.

The bigger news is that the Joker Phillips era is set to begin. Brooks announced after the game that this season would likely be his last. I'm willing to give Phillips a chance, but with some of the playcalling earlier this season, i'm hoping things change quickly.

Clemson just had too much speed for UK. They were a very good team and should have been in better bowl. The ACC giving Bowden a going away present cost Clemson and Spiller some national limelight in the Gator Bowl.
I'm not too enthused about Phillips either. I hope he proves me wrong but I don't think he's the answer to take UK up a notch in the SEC. If anything,they may fall back to where they were a few seasons ago.

WMR
12-29-2009, 09:21 AM
Hey at least if Joker's the Head Coach he won't be calling the plays anymore.

WMR
12-29-2009, 09:43 AM
You do have to keep in mind we played the majority of this season with a true freshman quarterback. Hopefully this experience will allow him to grow exponentially as a player between now and next season.

macro
12-29-2009, 11:57 AM
WilyMo, are you saying that Joker's playcalling was influenced and/or limited by the fact that he had a freshman QB? Not preparing to disagree with you, just clarifying that that's what you meant. If that's the case, I can see that.

How's his playcalling been in past seasons? I don't recall hearing any complaints, but I may not have been paying attention.

WVRed
01-04-2010, 11:08 AM
Rich Brooks press conference going on now to announce retirement.

UKFlounder
01-04-2010, 11:27 AM
Sad news, but he made UK football more respectable over multiple years than it had been in my adult lifetime (born 1973). I had not seen UK win 8 games in a year, win a bowl game or beat a #1 time. Plus 4 straight bowl appearances (3 victories) and winning seasons.

It's not a powerhouse program, but Brooks certainly made it better and I thank him for that and wish him the best.

Good luck to Joker

cumberlandreds
01-04-2010, 12:55 PM
Brooks made UK football competitive again. That's more than most coaches UK has had can say since Bear Bryant. He couldn't quite get them to the next level but the foundation is there for Phillips to take it there. Can he do it? is the next question. Only time will tell if he can.

macro
01-04-2010, 04:16 PM
Fair or unfair, Phillips will take over the job with higher expectations than most who have taken the UK job. An above-.500 record and a bowl game has been the measure of success for the UK program for as long as I can remember, but I don't think the fans will continue to be content with that. Phillips won't be permitted to just hold the status quo. He'll be expected to take the program up a level.

I don't think anyone expects to be in the Top 10 every year, but I don't see why they shouldn't be expected to be Top 25 every year, with the occasional flirtation with Top 10. The university has invested too much into the program to settle for less.

Sea Ray
01-04-2010, 04:56 PM
Fair or unfair, Phillips will take over the job with higher expectations than most who have taken the UK job. An above-.500 record and a bowl game has been the measure of success for the UK program for as long as I can remember, but I don't think the fans will continue to be content with that. Phillips won't be permitted to just hold the status quo. He'll be expected to take the program up a level.

I don't think anyone expects to be in the Top 10 every year, but I don't see why they shouldn't be expected to be Top 25 every year, with the occasional flirtation with Top 10. The university has invested too much into the program to settle for less.

I can't recall many years where UK ended up in the top 25 and never the top ten. Why would the folks there expect such a leap?

IslandRed
01-04-2010, 07:39 PM
I don't think anyone expects to be in the Top 10 every year, but I don't see why they shouldn't be expected to be Top 25 every year, with the occasional flirtation with Top 10. The university has invested too much into the program to settle for less.

I'll only go along with that halfway. I think it's safe to say that a state university with a large fan base ought to not stink. UK shouldn't ever have to play the role of perennial loser again.

But perennial Top 25? Nope. That's hard enough when a school is one of the 25 Most Likely To Succeed In Football, and UK isn't, in my opinion.

macro
01-04-2010, 08:16 PM
I can't recall many years where UK ended up in the top 25 and never the top ten. Why would the folks there expect such a leap?

Good point, and I'll readily admit that I may statement was probably bold. They were ranked quite a bit in '07, but before that it was '84 and before that '76 and '77. So they would definitely be bucking tradition to finish in the Top 25 even once.

Can it be done in Lexington? Petrino did it at Louisville. Kelly did it at Cincinnati. Meyer did it at Utah. Petersen is doing it at Boise State. One thing all of those guys (except Petersen, for now) have in common is that they left those schools for bigger jobs. Another thing they have in common is that they did it without having to play Florida, Tennessee, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn on a regular basis. So maybe those comparisons aren't even valid. Maybe UK is destined to be a bottom feeder. But if someone rubbed a crystal ball and told me that 7-5 and bowl games that are played before New Year's Day are as good as it's going to get, I don't know that I would bother continuing to even watch.

But maybe the fan base, as a whole, doesn't expect as much as I am wishing for. Maybe just the "hope" of the occasional magical season will be enough to keep Commonwealth Stadium full on Saturdays. If that's the case, I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but for me, the "new" is wearing off the level of success that the team has achieved in the past four years. I want more.

Scrap Irony
01-04-2010, 09:22 PM
UK will never play in a BCS Bowl.

Too many ghosts, too much history, too many top teams to play.

If Phillips can average seven wins a year for the length of his stay in Lexington, he should be considered for the Football Hall of Fame.

WVRed
01-04-2010, 10:46 PM
There was a story a couple weeks ago in the Lexington Herald Leader about Rich Brooks retiring that made me think that it had to do a lot with the attention the basketball program was getting. Pappaw had worked hard to get the football program back to a respectable level and the accomplishments weren't getting as much attention because of what Calipari was accomplishing.

Just wonder how much truth there is to that.

WMR
01-05-2010, 12:12 AM
Good point, and I'll readily admit that I may statement was probably bold. They were ranked quite a bit in '07, but before that it was '84 and before that '76 and '77. So they would definitely be bucking tradition to finish in the Top 25 even once.

Can it be done in Lexington? Petrino did it at Louisville. Kelly did it at Cincinnati. Meyer did it at Utah. Petersen is doing it at Boise State. One thing all of those guys (except Petersen, for now) have in common is that they left those schools for bigger jobs. Another thing they have in common is that they did it without having to play Florida, Tennessee, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn on a regular basis. So maybe those comparisons aren't even valid. Maybe UK is destined to be a bottom feeder. But if someone rubbed a crystal ball and told me that 7-5 and bowl games that are played before New Year's Day are as good as it's going to get, I don't know that I would bother continuing to even watch.

But maybe the fan base, as a whole, doesn't expect as much as I am wishing for. Maybe just the "hope" of the occasional magical season will be enough to keep Commonwealth Stadium full on Saturdays. If that's the case, I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but for me, the "new" is wearing off the level of success that the team has achieved in the past four years. I want more.

Our recruiting has improved dramatically since Brooks arrived. Whereas we used to struggle to attract 3 star recruits, we now get them regularly. Continuing to raise UK's profile with recruits will be the main key to Joker's success or failure.

There is real talent on this roster. I don't think folks fully appreciate the mountain that was in front of Coach Brooks when he arrived. We're talking Mount Everest size.

I just hope and pray Joker was playing close attention to Coach Brooks and is fully ready for all the challenges that his job now presents.

joshnky
01-13-2010, 10:12 AM
With Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida all in varying stages of rebuilding and/or turmoil is next year THE year for UK football? I'm not sure about the defensive losses but they appear to be well-positioned on the offensive side of the ball. As the SEC East powers are almost never down like this all at once, what expectations will UK fans have for next year?

Scrap Irony
01-13-2010, 01:02 PM
Very little, if they have any sense. Kentucky is short talent. Shorter talent than any team in the SEC East aside from Vandy. Talent wins out.

This is not to say Kentucky might go to another middling bowl. Perhaps, if UT can't find another coach, if UGA is going to try another defensive scheme, and if Florida... (There's simply no way to see Kentucky beating Florida. Ever.)

But to expect them to contend for the crown?

Madness.

Kentucky returns their top skill players at tailback, both wide receiver spots, and quarterback. But all have legitimate questions that have to be addressed. It's not like the Cats have a Tebow or even a Woodson as signal caller. Newton is still relatively new to the system and likely to struggle. Both Mathews (who disappeared once the SEC started) and Cobb (health) have questions. So does Locke (health and workload).

Not only that, they return one offensive lineman and very little across the front seven defensively. (And in the defensive backfield, for that matter.) Neither TE has played at Kentucky and the fullback spot is wide open.

In short, Kentucky's in no spot to be dogging anyone in the SEC.

cumberlandreds
01-14-2010, 08:43 AM
UK lost a lot on defense and most of the OL. They also need receivers. Very lacking there last season. I look for another 7-5 to 6-6 season. They will have to win all four non-conference games and find two wins in conference. At UL will be the toughest non-conference game. Just don't what to expect from Charlie Strong and that will be his first game too. The other three should be cakewalks,WKU,Akron and Charleston Southern. They should beat Vandy and find a win or two among South Carolina, Miss State,Ole Miss, Georgia and Auburn. Maybe add Tennessee to that list depending on how things pan out with new coaches for them. Joker has a big job though getting that defense rebuilt and making the offense at least a consistent threat.

macro
02-04-2010, 02:07 AM
...and Kentucky's recruiting class ranks 11th of the 12 SEC teams. :(

Blimpie
02-04-2010, 07:43 AM
...and Kentucky's recruiting class ranks 11th of the 12 SEC teams. :(No way around the truth of that statement.

However, depending on which ranking system you believe, SEC teams earned anywhere from 7-8 of the top 25 rankings.

If true, then UK coming 11th in the SEC might be something like 3rd-4th in the Big East....

:cool:

Sea Ray
02-04-2010, 09:57 AM
No way around the truth of that statement.

However, depending on which ranking system you believe, SEC teams earned anywhere from 7-8 of the top 25 rankings.

If true, then UK coming 11th in the SEC might be something like 3rd-4th in the Big East....

:cool:

This is where it all starts. Folks like me say it's awfully hard to compete in the SEC and it'd be much easier in the Big East or Big Ten. Well this is what I mean. The SEC is dominating in recruiting so they have a rung up on the rest of the competition before practice even starts. I didn't watch the recruiting shows religiously yesterday but when I did I heard precious little on any Big East or Big Ten teams. The news was all about the SEC, USC, Washington and ND.

Sea Ray
02-04-2010, 09:57 AM
...and Kentucky's recruiting class ranks 11th of the 12 SEC teams. :(

Who was #12? Vandy?

macro
02-04-2010, 10:38 AM
Who was #12? Vandy?

Yep, but not my much.

Kentucky ranked 49th overall by Rivals. Your friend Kiffin out in Los Angeles :evil: ranked #1 with his new team.

Sea Ray
02-04-2010, 10:52 AM
Yep, but not my much.

Kentucky ranked 49th overall by Rivals. Your friend Kiffin out in Los Angeles :evil: ranked #1 with his new team.

Rivals had USC ahead of Florida? I thought every service had Florida #1. Some were saying Florida's could be the best recruiting class ever

WVRed
02-04-2010, 12:08 PM
No way around the truth of that statement.

However, depending on which ranking system you believe, SEC teams earned anywhere from 7-8 of the top 25 rankings.

If true, then UK coming 11th in the SEC might be something like 3rd-4th in the Big East....

:cool:

When it comes to rankings and UK football I hardly ever take notice. Nine times out of ten, I look at speed, size, and other intangibles.

We may get a five star recruit from in-state such as Micah Johnson or Tim Couch, but when you are in UK's position in the SEC (bottom feeder that is overshadowed by its basketball program), you are going to have to make do and get the best 3 star recruits available with an occasional four star in the mix.

If we all went by rankings, Randall Cobb would have never received a scholarship.

macro
02-04-2010, 06:27 PM
Rivals had USC ahead of Florida? I thought every service had Florida #1. Some were saying Florida's could be the best recruiting class ever

They did, and also, after I posted that, I realized that I should have added that Kiffin was the beneficiary of someone else's recruiting. Then again, his efforts got left behind in Tennessee, so I guess it evened out.

Sea Ray
02-04-2010, 07:27 PM
They did, and also, after I posted that, I realized that I should have added that Kiffin was the beneficiary of someone else's recruiting. Then again, his efforts got left behind in Tennessee, so I guess it evened out.


Yeah, I think Tennessee only lost two recruits to Kiffin so that's not too bad. None of the students who were counseled not to attend class the day after Kiffin resigned obliged. They all enrolled at UT.

I'm amazed that Rivals had USC above Florida.