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OnBaseMachine
04-27-2009, 11:14 PM
I sent Boss a PM and asked him if it was OK if I started a thread similar to the one we had in spring training where we posted blog updates from Fay and others. This thread can be used to post Reds or baseball related material that doesn't deserve a thread of its own.

OnBaseMachine
04-27-2009, 11:16 PM
Post-game thoughts
Posted by JohnFay at 4/27/2009 10:20 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Coco Cordero felt bad for his buddy, Johnny Cueto, in the wake 4-1 loss to the Astros. Cordero gave up the decisive runs.

“I’m not happy because of the way Johnny Cueto pitched,” Cordero said. “He pitched great. He gave the team a chance to win.”

Cordero gave up back-to-back hits on 0-2 pitches. That led directly to the three runs.

“I’ve got to make better decisions, better pitches,” Cordero said. “It happens but I’m a little bit upset.”

Cueto pitched seven innings of one-run ball. He allowed seven hits, a walk and struck out five. On most nights, with most teams, that's enough to earn a win. But the Reds continue to struggle offensively.

I know Walk Jocketty talked about letting guys settle in and being patient. But I think you'll see a different lineup at the very least tomorrow. Ramon Hernandez is hitting .333 over his last 11 games. He's a .285 lifetime hitter with runners in scoring position. Why not try him in Edwin Encarnacion's sixth spot or Brandon Phillips' fourth spot?

Encarnacion is 1-for-his-last-28 and hittng .127 overall.

“It’s not only Edwin,” Dusty Baker said. “There’s a couple of guys we’ve got to get going.”

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3affa6ca1c-989b-4fda-961e-280bcf36be99&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

BCubb2003
04-27-2009, 11:23 PM
If Cordero hadn't done what he did, the game would have gone extra innings and Harang would have pitched a couple.

reds44
04-27-2009, 11:24 PM
I'm not worried about Edwin or Phillips, they will both do what they do.

We have to solve the LF problem, though.

OnBaseMachine
04-27-2009, 11:30 PM
Dickerson still hazy after collision
Monday 04-27-2009 10:40pm ET0Comments

Reds left fielder Chris Dickerson passed all the tests given to him by Reds trainers on Monday, but after the game, he was still a bit woozy from his fourth-inning collision with Houston shortstop Miguel Tejada in the Reds' 4-1 loss.

"I'm doing all right, my vision's coming back a little bit, at this point I feel real drowsy, I just want to go to sleep," Dickerson said after the game. "I'm getting my vision back, it's not as hard to focus, which is a good sign. I had to answer some simple questions, like what happened yesterday and it almost took me a while to answer, but I got it. I've got to rest tonight and take my impact test and psychological evaluation."

After a single in the fourth to end an 0-for-10 streak and put him back above the Mendoza Line at .205, Joey Votto hit a grounder to Astros first baseman Lance Berkman, who made a perfect throw to Tejada. With Dickerson baring down on him, Tejada dropped the ball, Dickerson slid into him and after Dickerson's shoulder hit Tejada's face, the two bumped heads.

Both training staffs and managers came out to evaluate both players after the play, and both stayed in the game.

"I thought I was OK standing at second, just trying to focus on small things and the backstop, it was a little tough, but I thought it was going to go away but I didn't think it'd escalate to the degree that it did when I got back to the outfiel," Dickerson said.

Dickerson went out for the top of the fifth, but said he had trouble focusing on anything.

"It's like going from HD to regular television, nothing is sharp," Dickerson said. "I was out there and couldn't see the hitter's face. The ball was splitting and almost coming apart. I was looking into the stands and everyone was meshing together, I knew that was definitely going in the wrong direction."

Reds manager Dusty Baker said he was told Dickerson didn't suffer a concussion, but concussion-like symptoms. He will be re-evaluated on Tuesday.

Dickerson said he's suffered concussions before. He played high school football and suffered his first when he was in fifth grade when he hit his head on a (lowered) basketball backboard.

Dickerson said he answered the questions he was asked correctly -- "so I didn't have to take a field trip to the CAT scan room," he said.

Still, Dickerson had some trouble putting words together -- although he still was able to give some good quotes.

"It's very similar to where the vision becomes worse," Dickerson said. "I've had a couple (of concussions) where the red spots come up, but this one felt like there was an eyelash in my eye -- when you think something's in there because you can't focus. I was out there trying to get it out of my eye like there was dirt in my eye and that's when I realized it was ridiculous, there's something wrong here."

In addition to his slump-breaking hit, Dickerson also made two nice plays in the field -- throwing out Tejada trying to stretch a single into a double to lead off the second and, cutting off a ball into the gap then flashing his arm on another Tejada single in the fourth, keeping the Astros shortstop to a single.

Laynce Nix entered the game for Dickerson in the sixth and that inning doubled and scored the team's only run.

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/ctrent.html

SirFelixCat
04-27-2009, 11:44 PM
I said this in the game thread, but I really think this is the 'excuse' the Reds need to bring up Pete Rosales and DL CD....

SirFelixCat
04-27-2009, 11:45 PM
I sent Boss a PM and asked him if it was OK if I started a thread similar to the one we had in spring training where we posted blog updates from Fay and others. This thread can be used to post Reds or baseball related material that doesn't deserve a thread of its own.

And OBM, thanks for this thread...it's not practical for a lot of us to go to each blog/news source to read all the writeups daily etc...so I, for one, GREATLY appreciate you doing this. Thanks a bunch!:thumbup::beerme:

Will M
04-27-2009, 11:48 PM
I said this in the game thread, but I really think this is the 'excuse' the Reds need to bring up Pete Rosales and DL CD....

possibly. concussions are tricky things. typical post concussion symptoms are fatigue, headaches, dizziness. best thing to do is rest rest rest at home for 2-3 days and see how you feel. Dickerson could be out of action for a few games or a couple of weeks.

OnBaseMachine
04-27-2009, 11:52 PM
And OBM, thanks for this thread...it's not practical for a lot of us to go to each blog/news source to read all the writeups daily etc...so I, for one, GREATLY appreciate you doing this. Thanks a bunch!:thumbup::beerme:

No problem. I often find myself coming across some info that's not worthy of its own thread so I usually either don't post it, or I stash it away in some other thread. This thread should help clear that up.

SirFelixCat
04-28-2009, 12:08 AM
possibly. concussions are tricky things. typical post concussion symptoms are fatigue, headaches, dizziness. best thing to do is rest rest rest at home for 2-3 days and see how you feel. Dickerson could be out of action for a few games or a couple of weeks.

Both Bankston and Rosales are killing it down there (4th and 1st in the entire IL in OPS btw), so I think there has to come a point where they both get called up. CD makes room for one...and I wonder if his hitting woes continue if they ship EdE down to Louisville for a few weeks as well?

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 12:09 AM
BTW, anyone interested in starting the Reds record/golf scorecard?

Here's the one from two years ago.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56639&highlight=golf

That's always one of my favorite threads.

The Reds went 5-4 on the first hole and 5-4 on the second hole. That puts them on a 90-72 pace.

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 12:58 AM
I sent Boss a PM and asked him if it was OK if I started a thread similar to the one we had in spring training where we posted blog updates from Fay and others. This thread can be used to post Reds or baseball related material that doesn't deserve a thread of its own.

Fantastic, OBM. I used to have Fay and Rosecran's blogs bookmarked, but inthe sorrow that was last season and a new computer, I didn't put them on the new one. Now I don't have to. Thanks.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 03:44 PM
The tarp is on the field at GABP and it's been raining most of the day in the area. Showers and thunderstorms are in the evening forecast. If there is a window in the forecast to play, I'm sure the Reds decision makers will wait for it.

After getting clocked in the head last night during the Tejada collision, Chris Dickerson isn't starting today. But that likely has as much to do with Astros using a lefty starting pitcher in Wandy Rodriguez. Dickerson was scheduled for more tests today after feeling woozy last night. Struggling Edwin Encarnacion was dropped from sixth to seventh. Encarnacion is on a 0-for-12 skid and is 1-for-his-last-28.

More details later when I have it.

After the 7-3 road trip, the Reds really need these last two games vs. the Astros so they can finish 3-3 on the homestand.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

Homer Bailey
04-28-2009, 03:46 PM
The tarp is on the field at GABP and it's been raining most of the day in the area. Showers and thunderstorms are in the evening forecast. If there is a window in the forecast to play, I'm sure the Reds decision makers will wait for it.

After getting clocked in the head last night during the Tejada collision, Chris Dickerson isn't starting today. But that likely has as much to do with Astros using a lefty starting pitcher in Wandy Rodriguez. Dickerson was scheduled for more tests today after feeling woozy last night. Struggling Edwin Encarnacion was dropped from sixth to seventh. Encarnacion is on a 0-for-12 skid and is 1-for-his-last-28.

More details later when I have it.

After the 7-3 road trip, the Reds really need these last two games vs. the Astros so they can finish 3-3 on the homestand.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

That oughta do it :rolleyes:

cumberlandreds
04-28-2009, 03:56 PM
That oughta do it :rolleyes:

Yea,I was hoping they would sit him out these next two against the Astros. Then put him back in for a few games and see how it goes. If he still didn't hit after a few games make the move for Rosales.

Team Clark
04-28-2009, 04:18 PM
Looks like Matt700WLW from Redszone may have lost his job. Hope it's not true. Fantastic person that only made WLW better.

Homer Bailey
04-28-2009, 04:25 PM
Actually I take back what I said about moving EE from 6 to 7. Over the last 3 seasons:

Batting 6th: 526 AB's - .268/.348/.483/.831
Batting 7th: 227 AB's - .335/.402/.520/.922


Hard to believe one spot makes that big of a difference. I wouldn't even say that is a small sample size.

Homer Bailey
04-28-2009, 04:57 PM
EE is out now.... From Fay:



Lineup change -- Encarnacion out, McDonald in, Dickerson update
Posted by JohnFay at 4/28/2009 3:36 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Astros:

Kazou Matsui 2b
Michael Bourn cf
Lance Berkman 1b
Carlos Lee lf
Miguel Tejada ss
Hunter Pence rf
Geoff Blum 3b
Pudge Rodriguez c
Wandy Rodriguez lhp

Reds:
Willy Taveras cf
Jerry Hairston lf He'll play third instead of left.
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b

Jay Bruce rf

Ramon Hernandez c

Edwin Encarnacion 3b. Encarnacion on, Darnell McDonald in playing lf

Alex Gonzalez ss

Aaron Harang rhp

Encarnacion's wrist and shoulder are both bothering him. "It's not bad enough to go on DL," Dusty Baker said. "But it's bad enough not to play. When your wrist and shoulder are hurting, it's hard to take extra batting practice.

Chris Dickerson feels better today. He went through a series of tests. He won't take batting practice today. Baker doesn't expect Dickerson to go on the DL. He probably won't play until Friday.

The Reds are obviously short-handed.

"This is a time when you're called upon to be a team," Baker said.

Homer Bailey
04-28-2009, 04:58 PM
"This is a time when you're called upon to be a team," Baker said.


This should say:

"Rosales, this is the time when you're called up to the team."

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 05:44 PM
NOR IS outfielder Chris Dickerson bad enough to put on the DL, although he, too, probably will sit tonight and Wednesday, with hopes of a Friday return, making Baker two position players short for the next two days.

Amazingly, the Reds have not made a single roster move since the season began.

Dickerson and Houston shortstop Miguel Tejada collided head-on at second base and it was feared Dickerson might have suffered another concussion - his fifth. He was still undergoing tests before Tuesday’s game and had a slight headache, but a concussion was not diagnosed.

His other concussions:

—“I ran into the wall in Dayton (Fifth Third Field), crashed into a TV screen out there.”

—“I crashed into the wall in college.”

—“I hit my head on a basketball backboard trying to slam dunk. Unfortunately, the backboard was metal. That was in elementary school and I underestimated myself that day.”

—“And in grade school I was messing with a tetherball and a tire that had cement in it. It was rocking it back and forth and lost my grip.”

And now the Reds are trying to get a grip on things against Houston without two position players and the Astros are 15-1 in their last 16 games in Great American Ball Park and have won 10 straight here.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

Boss-Hog
04-28-2009, 06:22 PM
And OBM, thanks for this thread...it's not practical for a lot of us to go to each blog/news source to read all the writeups daily etc...so I, for one, GREATLY appreciate you doing this. Thanks a bunch!:thumbup::beerme:
I agree - thanks for all your work in the Spring Training updates thread and in advance for this one, too, OBM.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 06:49 PM
Thanks guys.

Meanwhile, Ryan Freel is already unhappy in Baltimore:

"I think change is good for people. I think the expectations were for me to come here and perform in a different way than I did. I don't think I met the expectations the way I in spring training. There is nothing wrong with change. I don't think I fit here. I can't control what they do with me. It's putting a damper on my career."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

nate
04-28-2009, 06:55 PM
Thanks guys.

Meanwhile, Ryan Freel is already unhappy in Baltimore:

"I think change is good for people. I think the expectations were for me to come here and perform in a different way than I did. I don't think I met the expectations the way I in spring training. There is nothing wrong with change. I don't think I fit here. I can't control what they do with me. It's putting a damper on my career."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Shouldn't it be "our career?"

Him and Farney, you know.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 07:11 PM
Ricky Stone update
Posted by JohnFay at 4/28/2009 6:37 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Former Reds and Astros pitcher Ricky Stone was in the clubhouse before the game. Stone suffered a seizure Aug. 8 of last year -- after a Reds-Astros game, in fact.

A brain turmor was discovered. He had surgery to remove the tumor. He's currently undergoing chemo.

"It's going good," he said. "I'm on five days and off 23. I'm staying fit and doing all I can do."

Stone gets his treatment in Houston. He stays with Lance Berkman when he's down there.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3adec1b41c-570b-4cb2-881c-ae722bc73723&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:17 PM
Assessing Phillips

An American League scout wanted to know, “What’s wrong with the second baseman (Brandon Phillips). I filed a report that because he is batting fourth he thinks he needs to hit home runs every time, pull everything, especially with runners on base. Personally, I think he is a better No. 2 hitter.”

Baker believes Phillips will snap to it soon.

“Water seeks its own level and my theory is he didn’t take two days to get into this funk and it usually takes twice as long to get out of it,” said Baker. “If he can get some hits, a few bunts maybe, that’ll cure everything. Two hits a day for a week will cure any ailments before you get a whole bunch of at-bats.”

Baker cited Alex Gonzalez, Ramon Hernandez and Jay Bruce as guys who went on hit sprees for a week and lifted their batting averages 100 points.

“Make your move to respectability before you get 200 at-bats because then it gets tougher to move up. You can move real quick this time of year,” Baker added. “Hey, do you think Lance Berkman is going to hit .160 all year? Do you think Derrek Lee is going to hit .170 all year. Certain guys are going to hit.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/encarnacion-placed-on-dl-with-injured-wrist-99347.html

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 11:09 PM
Will the Reds get back over .500?
Posted by JohnFay at 4/28/2009 10:33 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Will the Reds, who are 10-10 after Tuesday's 8-3 loss to Houston, get back over .500 this year? That's what someone asked me as I left the pressbox after the game.

Dusty Baker obviously thinks they will and thinks they've got to start tomorrow with the homestand finale against the Astros.

"We've got to avoid the sweep, finish the month over .500," he said.

Tuesday's game was one of the worst of the year for the Reds: Three errors, four stolen bases allowed, a runner thrown out at third, one hit from the second to sixth, Aaron Harang's worst start of the year.

One thing that's been very clear this year is when the Reds don't get good starting pitching, they don't have much of a chance. They are 7-1 when they get a quality start; 3-9 when they don't.

So back to orginal question: Will they get back over .500? My answer: If the starting pitching is good enough.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3aa9401ca4-25c8-4a06-b4ce-ca8c79163926&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 11:10 PM
Rosales: I'm ready
Posted by TomGroeschen at 4/28/2009 10:32 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Tuesday’s game ended with Adam Rosales, the newest Red, on deck. Rosales was going to pinch-hit in the No. 9 spot in the order, but Alex Gonzalez flied out to end the game.

Rosales arrived in the dugout right around game time, wearing jersey No. 23.

Rosales was hitting .431 at Louisville. Last year he hit .207 (6 for 29) in his major league debut season with Cincinnati, which included three stints on the roster. Rosales will turn 26 in May.

“I made sure I took the momentum from spring training and kept doing what I was doing, to get back here as quick as possible,” Rosales said after Tuesday’s game.

Rosales said he is unsure how much playing time he will receive, after replacing Edwin Encarnacion (DL, wrist) on the roster.

“I’m just gonna show up and if my name’s in the lineup, I’ll be ready to go,” Rosales said.

Rosales, on his reaction to being called up:

“I got excited. This is the place you want to be.”

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3aa7d3bd7c-3f6f-4c54-97c6-9eb08a7e5022&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 11:16 PM
Dickerson better day after collision
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

04/28/09 6:49 PM ET

CINCINNATI -- Reds left fielder Chris Dickerson on Tuesday seemed to be coming out of the fog he felt after a nasty head-to-head collision with Astros shortstop Miguel Tejada.

One night earlier, the injury left him looking a little like a fighter that went 15 rounds.

"I feel fine. There is no dizziness," Dickerson said on Tuesday. "There is still a little bit of a headache. The mental processing is a little bit hazy, I noticed during that test."

Dickerson took a slew of concussion tests that measured his reaction time, memory and depth perception. He also took some vision tests.

"My reaction time was actually better than my Spring Training score," Dickerson said.

Still, it's unlikely that Dickerson will play again until Friday. It was believed a trip to the disabled list wouldn't be needed.

"The fact is he's gotten much better in a short period of time," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. "We have an off-day Thursday. He should hopefully be better and ready on Friday."

In the fourth inning of Monday's 4-1 loss to the Astros, Dickerson was trying to break up a double play by sliding into second base when Tejada fell into him and they knocked heads.

Both players continued in the game, but Dickerson had to exit before the sixth inning after his vision blurred and he felt woozy.

Although Dickerson was officially diagnosed with "concussion-like symptoms" on Monday, he's no stranger to the feeling of concussions. The 27-year-old has suffered four of them in the past.

"I crashed into a wall in Dayton," Dickerson explained. "I crashed into the wall in college. I hit my head on the backboard in basketball trying to slam dunk. The problem was the backboard was metal. That was in elementary school on a lower rim. Another one was on a playground messing around with a tether ball [when the pole tipped and hit me]."

In 17 games this season, Dickerson is batting .205 with one home run and five RBIs. His single in the fourth inning snapped a 0-for-10 slump.

Darnell McDonald started in left field for the Reds on Tuesday.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090428&content_id=4465414&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 02:14 AM
From a Baseball Prospectus chat:

Scott (Detroit): Any word out of Cincinnati if they're thinking of actually picking up some offense? Joey Votto is the only real hitter on the team it seems.

John Perrotto: You don't see many trades go down this early in the season so I'd say they are standing pat. I was of the belief all winter that they were one big bat away from making a serious run at the NL Central. I still feel that way.


Charles (Ann Arbor): Has Edwin Encarnacion's ship sailed? In fact, was that little dinghy ever even in port?

John Perrotto: I still like him, though I seem to be in the minority now. I think he can be an at least league-average third baseman, maybe more.


Dennis (LA): Thank you for answering my earlier question. Also wanted to ask you your thoughts on Chris Dickerson. What do you see as his upside? Thanks again!

John Perrotto: I think he's a real hit or miss guy. He's either going to be a big star or a total bust. I think he has a lot of talent but he's also very raw. I have a feeling he is going to be a good one, though. I like what I've seen of him last year and this year.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=597

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 02:15 AM
Waker (Brooklyn): I've heard from a very credible source (i.e., front office) that the Yankees had a deal in place with the Reds: Francisco Cordero for Xavier Nady (killed by the Reds' owner). Should the Yankees revisit that trade and plug in a different name to help solve their bullpen issues? They could go Mets-style and us Cordero as the 8th inning guy.

John Perrotto: Well, that trade won't happen now with Nady's elbow one more hard throw from blowing out. It would have been a good trade for both teams, though.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=597

*BaseClogger*
04-29-2009, 02:33 AM
Why would Bob shoot it down?

On a side not, it seems like you jinxed the Cincinnati sports media with this thread, OBM... :lol:

Ron Madden
04-29-2009, 05:03 AM
Waker (Brooklyn): I've heard from a very credible source (i.e., front office) that the Yankees had a deal in place with the Reds: Francisco Cordero for Xavier Nady (killed by the Reds' owner). Should the Yankees revisit that trade and plug in a different name to help solve their bullpen issues? They could go Mets-style and us Cordero as the 8th inning guy.

John Perrotto: Well, that trade won't happen now with Nady's elbow one more hard throw from blowing out. It would have been a good trade for both teams, though.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=597


Would you make a Cordero for Swisher deal?

I think I would.

.

Razor Shines
04-29-2009, 05:07 AM
Would you make a Cordero for Swisher deal?

I think I would.

.

In a minute, I don't think the Yankees would though.

I'm pretty sure most of us wanted Swisher far more than Nady this offseason anyway.

Ron Madden
04-29-2009, 05:19 AM
In a minute, I don't think the Yankees would though.

I'm pretty sure most of us wanted Swisher far more than Nady this offseason anyway.


I know there were a few of us that were in favor of Swisher over Nady.

There's not an arm in the Reds bullpen I wouldn't trade for Swisher.

:)

Razor Shines
04-29-2009, 05:31 AM
I know there were a few of us that were in favor of Swisher over Nady.

There's not an arm in the Reds bullpen I wouldn't trade for Swisher.

:)

Slow down there big guy. What would we do with a another guy OPSing over .1000? That's far too much offense for this team, nope doesn't fit. Plus he's kind of crazy. I've changed my mind I'll take Brett Gardner for Cordero.

Ron Madden
04-29-2009, 05:44 AM
Slow down there big guy. What would we do with a another guy OPSing over .1000? That's far too much offense for this team, nope doesn't fit. Plus he's kind of crazy. I've changed my mind I'll take Brett Gardner for Cordero.

Just think of all the fun we could have, We could blame Swisher for everything that goes wrong even if he is a productive hitter.

;)

cumberlandreds
04-29-2009, 07:57 AM
Why would Bob shoot it down?

On a side not, it seems like you jinxed the Cincinnati sports media with this thread, OBM... :lol:

It turned out to be a good thing since Nady is out for the season. If they offered Swisher I would take it in a heart beat.

Thanks OBM for this thread for updates. :thumbup: It's a good place to come to for all the news.
Any word on MattWLW. Someone earlier said he may have been laid off. I sure hope not. I hate to see anyone lose their job. I've been down that road and it can be a scary time.

Razor Shines
04-29-2009, 08:06 AM
Any word on MattWLW. Someone earlier said he may have been laid off. I sure hope not. I hate to see anyone lose their job. I've been down that road and it can be a scary time.
Unfortunately he was.
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75322

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 01:45 PM
Mike (Chicago): Steve, give my boy Joey Vottom some love. The guy has had an amazing spring (.360+ w/3 HR 20 RBIs). Will he be in the discussion for MVP with Pujols at the end of the season?

Steve Phillips: No. i really like Joey Votto and I think he has a bright future, but no one will be with Pujols at the end of the season. He's the best player and hitter in the game. Votto may be in that discussion some day, but not this year. Votto has great power going the other way and a unique plate discipline for a young hitter, but he's not at Pujols' level just yet.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=26225

reds44
04-29-2009, 02:29 PM
Joey Vottom?

RichRed
04-29-2009, 02:37 PM
Joey Vottom?

I know. Why'd he leave off the "atic"?

_Sir_Charles_
04-29-2009, 04:05 PM
Not sure if anybody's posted this yet, but I can't recall seeing this before....

Taveras CF
Hairston 2B
Votto 1B
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Nix LF
Rosales 3B
Gonzalez SS
Volquez P

Votto & Bruce back to back? It also seems odd to give Brandon the day off after he FINALLY gets it going with the bat last night. Odd.

RichRed
04-29-2009, 04:08 PM
Not sure if anybody's posted this yet, but I can't recall seeing this before....

Taveras CF
Hairston 2B
Votto 1B
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Nix LF
Rosales 3B
Gonzalez SS
Volquez P

Votto & Bruce back to back? It also seems odd to give Brandon the day off after he FINALLY gets it going with the bat last night. Odd.

Since they're facing a righty, it makes sense to me.

membengal
04-29-2009, 04:10 PM
Yaknow, that line-up actually puts a spring in my step.

nate
04-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Not sure if anybody's posted this yet, but I can't recall seeing this before....

Taveras CF
Hairston 2B
Votto 1B
Bruce RF
Hernandez C
Nix LF
Rosales 3B
Gonzalez SS
Volquez P

Votto & Bruce back to back? It also seems odd to give Brandon the day off after he FINALLY gets it going with the bat last night. Odd.

Hmm...interesting. I'm very interested in seeing Rosales get an extended look.

Totally unrelated but did Nix destroy that HR last night or what?

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 04:25 PM
I think Laynce Nix deserves to get a few starts in left field. He's currently OPSing .835. I've been very impressed with him so far. In his last start, he hit two sharp line drives but had nothing to show for it.

BTW, I don't think we're allowed to post lineups in here. ;)

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 04:54 PM
By Hal McCoy | Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 04:17 PM

The sun was peeking brightly over the Great American Ball Park grandstands in mid-afternoon. Suddenly, a deluge. The Houston Astros were taking early batting practice and they sprinted off the field, soaked before they could reach the dugout.

The grounds crew hustled to get the tarp on the field but it, too, was quickly soaked and became heavy before they could cover the field. Twice it got stuck. Twice relief pitcher David Weathers raced onto the field to help tug the tarp.

No saves for that, Stormy.

The field was inundated. Shortstop looked like Lake Superior and third base looked like Lake Ontario. Fortunately, they had four hours to dry it out - if no more rain showed up.

MEANWHILE, inside the clubhouse there was a bizarre interview with Brandon Phillips, who was given his first day off Wednesday after he homered and doubled Tuesday. It was pre-ordained that Phillips would get Wednesday off and with the team off Thursday it gives him two days off.

Let me pretty much give you the full text of what Phillips said.

“I’ve been reading up on what you all say (write) and it’s funny stuff,” Phillips told the beat writers. “I’m not doing your jobs, but I’ll tell you-all one thing. You know what the funny thing is? I love you guys and I have nothing but respect for all you guys. But you know ever since you-all been writing about me not hittting, we haven’t been winning?

You-all know that? So you see, I hear a lot of people on my team and they’re worried about me. They’re worried about me and Edwin Encarnacion, instead of worrying about the team. I’m going to hit. That’s how confident I am. That’s the type of player I am.

“At the beginning, everything was flowing, everything was about the team,” he continued. “It was all about winning. First thing you know, everybody is writing about Phillips not hitting and Edwin not hitting. Everybody started paying attention to me and everybody started paying attention to Edwin and everybody lost focus about winning.

“I think we should start again writing about the Reds winning instead of writing about two players,” he added. “You should do that. But I love reading all your articles. I read them all the time. They make me laugh. But it’s real, all the stuff you write. You guys do a great job, especially Hal - you do a great job (Well, thanks, Brandon).

“We were winning, but ever since you guys have been calling people out on the team, worrying about me instead of worrying about the team winning. You can write whatever you want about me. It don’t bother me. Me and Hal talked a couple of times last year about what he wrote, but it is a matter of respect. I respect him and what he does.

“You can write anything you want about the bad things, just make sure you don’t write it real big, make it the big issue. We have a young team and they read that and they starting asking, ‘Brandon, you OK? Brandon, you OK?’ There is no point in people asking me if I’m OK because we’re winning and I’m a happy man. It’s all about us winning, because I AM going to produce and I am going to hit. I’m just happy it happened to me instead of one of the younger guys who is new to the team. I tell them, ‘Don’t read the papers,’ because it gets to their heads. In my case, I laugh about it, because I’ve been through.”

I loved it. It was quite a journalistic journey. I love it. Brandon Phillips as my Perry White, Clark Kent’s editor. But don’t ever, Brandon, ask me to put on those red and blue Superman tights.

I’m not sure I follow his logic, but he believes it and as he said about me, “I respect him and I respect what he says.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

_Sir_Charles_
04-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Oh, sorry. My bad. I was really only wanting to point out that Dusty was willing to hit the J&J show back to back. Thanks for the heads up though.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 04:58 PM
Adam Rosales makes his 1st appearance tonight after being called up Tuesday to replace Edwin Encarnacion (DL, wrist).

Also: Brandon Phillips is sitting for the first time all season, his first day off of '09. Phillips is not particulary thrilled to sit.

"I see myself as an everyday player," Phillips said in the clubhouse today. "I'll just smile and go with it. ... Dusty's the boss. He makes the decision."

Reds manager Baker said today it was just time to give Phillips a blow, even though Phillips (.191 BA) was 2-for-4 with a 2B and HR on Tuesday night.

"It was already planned before anyway," Baker said. "A lot of times, like 20 different times I had a guy (with) a planned day off, then he has a good game. ... Brandon is not going to get many days off."

Phillips has a season-high 3-game hit streak (4-for-12).

With a day off Thursday, that means Phillips would get two consecutive days off. Phillips and Joey Votto have played every inning of every game in '09.

--Regarding Rosales' first start, Baker said Rosales' .431 BA at Louisville obviously helped get the first call from AAA this year.
"He worked hard," Baker said. "We told him to go down and tear it up and he'd be back. I didn't know he'd be back this soon."

--Regarding Encarnacion's wrist, no new news today as the player is in a cast. Baker expects him to be out about three weeks, with rehab time figured in.

--Chris Dickerson is 'much better' today, Baker said. Whether he will be available tonight is uncertain. Dickerson had concussion-like symptoms after bumping heads with Houston SS Miguel Tejada on a play at second base Monday night.

--The Reds could use a win after going 1-4 on the homestand. Tonight closes out the April schedule, with the Reds (10-10) off Thursday before heading to Pittsburgh for the weekend.
"I'd like to have a winning record (in April)," Baker said, "prevent a sweep, getaway day victory, pick up a game. There'd be a lot of pluses."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a58196565-9048-4dc7-aa27-51da7f320711&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Reds Fanatic
04-29-2009, 05:53 PM
From Fay's blog apparently Edwin has been hurt all the way back to spring training:


Edwin Encarnacion said that the problems with his wrist did go all the way back to spring training.

"It got worse and worse the last couple of days," he said. "That's why I went to the trainer."

Encarnacion was surprised to learn that there was a chipped bone in his wrist.

"I was surprised it was broken," he said. "But I knew something was wrong. It started hurting on every swing. I couldn't do extra work."

Encarnacion has been able to handle the fastball, but the wrist kept him from catching up with pitches even in the high 80s.

"I always hit the fastball perfect," he said. "When I can't hit the fastball, I know something is wrong."

Encarnacion went 1-for-his-last-28 before being put on the disabled list. He's in a cast. He's hoping to be able to swing the bat in two weeks.

Boss-Hog
04-29-2009, 06:11 PM
BTW, I don't think we're allowed to post lineups in here. ;)
Correct - lineups should not be posted here for the same reason that game threads require moderator approval. We don't want to go back to seeing hours and hours of bashing the lineups every day before the game even starts.

reds44
04-29-2009, 06:26 PM
From Fay's blog apparently Edwin has been hurt all the way back to spring training:
It certianly explains a lot.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 06:30 PM
IIRC, Edwin missed a few games in spring training due to his wrist.

lollipopcurve
04-29-2009, 07:04 PM
IIRC, Edwin missed a few games in spring training due to his wrist.

Yes, and he was having "hand" problems in winter ball, too.

Razor Shines
04-29-2009, 08:41 PM
I'm kinda frustrated with Edwin after finding this out. Sometimes this macho, Cal Ripken, play through the pain crap can really hurt the team.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 11:37 PM
Volquez's best
Posted by JohnFay at 4/29/2009 10:27 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Edinson Volquez has had better stuff. But he's never pitched a better game. He threw eight innings of one-hit ball in the Reds' 3-0 win over the Astros Wednesday night.

He only walked one after walking seven in five innings his last time out. He struck out six. The eight innings were a career-high.

"I was aggressive, attacking hitters," Volquez said. "My last game, I was missing my spots. Tonight, I threw all my pitches where I wanted."

Volquez might have been flirting with a no-hitter if Jay Bruce caught Miguel Tejada's ball in the first. The ball hit a less than a foot above Bruce's glove as he banged the wall. It went for a double.

"I thought he was going to catch it," Dusty Baker said. "He thought it was going to be a home run. He tried to scale the wall. In this park, you never know."

Volquez's performance came in a game the Reds needed going into tomorrow's off day to stop the downward momentum. A loss would have been a season-high third in a row. It's the difference between ending April 11-10 and 10-11. It's the difference between a 2-4 and 1-5 homestand.

"He was pitching, throwing strikes, therefore he kept his pitch count down," Baker said. "His strikeouts were down. But they put the ball in play. If you can take sting out of the bat and make them put in play -- they didn't hit many hard balls, if they did they were on ground right to somebody. He threw a masterful game."

Volquez threw 106 pitches. But he had no desire to bat in the eighth.

"I was done," he said. "I wanted (Coco) Cordero to close it."

Cordero did, going 1-2-3, to complete the combined one-hitter.

Stat of the night: The Reds are 8-1 when they get a quality start.

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OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 11:50 PM
Rosales and Nix: more, more, more
By Hal McCoy | Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 10:59 PM

Don’t know which was the most exhilirating thing to watch Wednesday when the Cincinnati Reds beat the Houston Astros, 3-0.

Was it Edinson Volquez?

Was it Adam Rosales?

Call it a tie. A dead heat. It was almost as much fun as watching the poor grounds crew trying to cover the infield during an afternoon deluge with the wind whipping the tarp and created cave-sized gaps in it.

How do you explain it. You don’t. You can’t. The last time Volquez pitched he couldn’t find home plate with a road map, a GPS and a Native American guide. He walked seven, five in one inning that forced two runs home against the Braves.

Five days later he pitches a one-hitter, shutting out the Astros for eight innings in a 3-0 win. He gave up a first-inning double that almost was caught against the wall by Jay Bruce. He hit a batter in the third and he issued his first and only walk in the eighth and later scrunched his nose and said, “I didn’t want to walk that guy.”

So how do you explain it? Manager Dusty Baker said it best and after covering baseball for 37 years I know he is rightl “That’s baseball,” he said. “Hopefully he’s back on track. Is he 3-2 now? (yes) He was still trying to find it and he found it big-time tonight. He threw strikes, first-pitch strikes. His pitch-count was down and they put the ball in play. If you can take the sting out of the bat when you make ‘em put it in play - and I don’t think they hit any balls hard. If they did it was right on the ground to somebody. A masterful game. Masterful.”

It was a Picasso on top of a Rembrandt on top of a Vargas. OK, so scratch the Vargas.

Then there was Rosales, the guy called up from Louisville yesterday, where he was hitting .431, and installed at third base. This guy runs hard on every play, runs hard to first on a walk, runs hard to his position and probably runs to the bathroom even if it isn’t an emergency

How bad did he want to play this game? Early in the afternoon a downpour flooded Great American Ball Park because the grounds crew had difficulty tugging the tarp onto the field. Shortstop and third base could have hosted the Olympics swimming and diving events.

What did Rosales do? He was out there helping the grounds crew get the field ready. If the flight crew doesn’t show tomorrow for the trip to Pittsburgh expect Rosales to slide into the cockpit and transport his teammates.

The fans love him. He swung at the first pitch he saw and drilled it deep to center. Almost a home run. Not quite;. And he sprinted to the dugout as the fans gave him a standing ovation. He said that gave him chills.

Then he broke a 0-0 tie with a single up the middle in the fifth, walked in trhesixth and drove in the third run with a sacrifice fly in the eighth.

After the game his face was a perma-smile and he constantly giggled like a teenager. How can you not pull for a guy like this?

Then there was Trayvis Nix playing left field. He had a triple, drove in a run, scored a run and had a single.

Rosales and Nix. What see ye Dusty. Will we see more of them. Let’s hope so. As Baker himself said, “It’s going to take a lot of players to help us win this thing.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2009/04/29/rosales_and_nix_more_more_more.html

OnBaseMachine
04-30-2009, 12:16 AM
Baker has high hopes for Rosales

By Hal McCoy
Staff Writer
12:01 AM Thursday, April 30, 2009

CINCINNATI — The Louisville Bats played an 11 a.m. game and Adam Rosales slapped his two hits and went home. He was there a couple of hours when manager Rick Sweet called.He

"You forgot to pay your clubhouse dues," said Sweet. Rosales said he never forgets to pay his dues at the end of each homestand, but he did this time. He was embarrassed that his manager had to call and tell him.

"So you need to come back to the clubhouse and pay your bills," said Sweet. "And while you're here, pack your bags. You're headed to Cincinnati."

That's how Rosales discovered that he was called up and a day later he found himself in the lineup, playing third base and batting seventh.

"He has a high confidence level, he is seeing the ball well and this is not his first time in the big leagues, so I expect him to do well," said manager Dusty Baker. "I told him after spring training to go down there and tear it up and he'd be back. I didn't expect it to be this soon."

Rosales hit .431 at Louisville and left with an 11-game hitting streak and said, "I was learning a lot at Triple-A, but now I feel I have more to learn at the next level. It's an opportunity to get better."

Rosales is here because Edwin Encarnacion is on the disabled list and Rosales said, "It's sad to see that, but it's part of the game. It might be a small window of opportunity, but I'm grateful for it."

Rosales spent all spring with the Reds and added, "I took my momentum from spring training to Louisville. I learned a lot. I kept my confidence and concentration and focused on getting my pitch to hit and not let the pitcher make me get myself out."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/baker-has-high-hopes-for-rosales-101351.html

Homer Bailey
04-30-2009, 12:35 AM
Pay clubhouse dues? Is that some kind of baseball slang that I don't understand? I'm confused by that. Someone help?

Reds Fanatic
04-30-2009, 12:46 AM
Pay clubhouse dues? Is that some kind of baseball slang that I don't understand? I'm confused by that. Someone help?Clubhouse dues are what the players pay to the clubhouse attendants. Basically the person or two that maintains the clubhouse, cleans their uniforms and runs errands for the players. The players give some money I guess at the end of each homestand to tip the clubhouse attendants for the work they do for them.

OnBaseMachine
04-30-2009, 11:51 AM
Volquez in rare company
Posted by JohnFay at 4/30/2009 11:17 AM EDT on Cincinnati.com

The Reds passed this on:

From our good friends at Elias Sports Bureau.

Edinson Volquez allowed only one hit in eight innings in his 3–0 win over the Astros on Wednesday, after giving up just one hit in five innings in a loss to the Braves in his last start. The last pitcher with consecutive starts of five-plus innings and no more than one hit allowed was the Nationals’ Shawn Hill, who did it spanning a trip to the disabled list in 2007. The last Reds pitcher with consecutive starts like that was Ron Villone in 1999; the last before him was Johnny Vander Meer, who had consecutive no-hitters in 1938.

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SirFelixCat
04-30-2009, 03:01 PM
Volquez in rare company
Posted by JohnFay at 4/30/2009 11:17 AM EDT on Cincinnati.com

The Reds passed this on:

From our good friends at Elias Sports Bureau.

Edinson Volquez allowed only one hit in eight innings in his 3–0 win over the Astros on Wednesday, after giving up just one hit in five innings in a loss to the Braves in his last start. The last pitcher with consecutive starts of five-plus innings and no more than one hit allowed was the Nationals’ Shawn Hill, who did it spanning a trip to the disabled list in 2007. The last Reds pitcher with consecutive starts like that was Ron Villone in 1999; the last before him was Johnny Vander Meer, who had consecutive no-hitters in 1938.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a7f9cf319-b634-4dca-801b-d04138b83f85&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Hmmm 1999 you say? I forget what the Reds did that year... ;) I'm just sayin'....

OnBaseMachine
04-30-2009, 03:38 PM
One game at a time for Reds
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

04/30/09 12:46 PM ET

CINCINNATI -- Rare is the time that one April victory can carry so much weight. But it certainly did for the Reds on Wednesday.

A 3-0 win over the Astros meant finishing April at 11-10. Being one game over .500 is certainly better than the alternative, especially when you consider the wacky month this club had.

Cincinnati's team batting average is .235, which is ranked 15 out of 16 National League teams. At one point, it was a Major League-low .210. Their 78 runs scored is ranked 14th in the NL. Joey Votto, hitting .346 after playing in all 21 games, has been the lone constant in the lineup. Although a tremendous effort was made to shore up defensively, the Reds' 18 errors are third most in the league and their .977 fielding percentage is 14th.

"We've played good baseball at times and at times, we've been inconsistent," Reds infielder/outfielder Jerry Hairston Jr. said. "I think the biggest thing we're trying to correct is our defense. We have a lot of guys that can get to a lot more balls and make more plays so the chance for errors goes up. It's something we know we can correct and make our team stronger."

While the Reds went 7-3 on a 10-game road trip with three series wins at Milwaukee, Houston and Chicago, they are 4-7 at Great American Ball Park after just completing a 2-4 homestand. The home series record is 0-3-1.

Last year after the first month, the Reds were 12-17 after the first month and 9-12 after the first 21 games, which incidentally was when former GM Wayne Krivsky was let go. The club went 15-12 last May, which was one of only two months when it was over .500 in 2008. This April was a shorter month than usual because of a later start to the schedule and more off-days.

"I think everybody is relatively pleased with the record, based on how bad our batting average is and how many errors we've made," Reds starting pitcher Bronson Arroyo said. "Our team ERA is higher than it should be too. We have found a way to win games early on with timely hits and just fortunate things have happened to pull out 4-3 games."

Pitching has been the Reds' main savior to this point. The team ERA of 4.11 is fifth in the NL, but the key stat focuses on how valuable starting pitching has been. Cincinnati is 8-1 when it gets a quality start and 3-9 when it doesn't.

In the standings, the Reds are tied for second place in the NL Central with three teams and sit 3 1/2 games behind the first-place Cardinals. It's not a bad place to be for a team filled with young players going through their first seasons as front-and-center players.

"It's satisfactory because you really have no choice," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. "It's done now. We [have] 11 wins in a short month. Ideally, I like to win 15 games a month, and that's 90 games. That puts [a team] in position, most times, to be pretty good."

Finishing above .500 in April was also important because it provided some momentum, as the schedule only gets tougher in May. Friday's series opener vs. the Pirates begins a stretch of 25 games in 27 days. The Reds will be on the road for 14 games over the next month, including seven games on the West Coast where they've often had trouble in recent years.

"Coming up will be a little difficult," Hairston said. "We go from the East Coast, back home and then out to the West Coast. That's Major League Baseball and the grind. There are no excuses. If you want to contend, you have to make sure you win the majority of those games. We feel we have a team capable of doing that."

There are signs of improvement that have the Reds feeling optimistic. Hitters like Jay Bruce and Ramon Hernandez seemed to have found their way out of funks. Others, including Brandon Phillips and Alex Gonzalez, have started to show some improvement.

Edinson Volquez had been lackluster over his four starts, but broke out with eight scoreless innings and one hit allowed in Wednesday's win over Houston. Ace Aaron Harang has a 3.09 ERA in five starts and Johnny Cueto has been fantastic with a 2.19 ERA over his four starts. Micah Owings is coming off of his first good outing.

The bullpen, especially the back end, has been sensational. Francisco Cordero is 7-for-7 in save chances and setup men David Weathers and Arthur Rhodes have yet to allow a run over a combined 14 1/3 innings.

If the Reds can sustain their plus-.500 ways, they could achieve their first winning record since the 2000 season. Of course, it's still early.

"One thing I like about this team is we don't get down," Hairston said. "We let things go. If we lose, we let it go and move on and get ready for the next day. We have a lot of positive guys in this clubhouse. It's a great thing. We have guys with experience and maybe the younger guys don't know any better, which is good. I think it will bode well for us."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090430&content_id=4497490&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

OnBaseMachine
05-01-2009, 06:51 PM
UPDATE: Dusty Baker said that Dickerson would likely start on Saturday vs. RHP Russ Ohlendorf. Dickerson took BP on Wednesday and was cleared to play as early as today.

"My vision really hasn't been a problem but it is processing small stuff," Dickerson said. "Everything is much better. I'm ready to go. I'm back with no lingering dizziness or symptoms in effect. No post-concussion syndrome effects."

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

SirFelixCat
05-01-2009, 06:57 PM
Glad to hear CD is getting better. That could have been a potentially long-lasting thing (concussion). Hope the kid comes back w/ a vengeance!

_Sir_Charles_
05-01-2009, 09:53 PM
Correct - lineups should not be posted here for the same reason that game threads require moderator approval. We don't want to go back to seeing hours and hours of bashing the lineups every day before the game even starts.

No problem. My mistake.

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2009, 12:24 AM
Back-to-back gems
Posted by JohnFay at 5/1/2009 10:30 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

When the Reds put this team together, most of money and emphasis went toward pitching. So in order for this team is go anywhere, the pitching is going to have to be very good. Over the last two games, it's been a lot of better than very good. The Reds are up to 19 shutout innings in a row.

Bronson Arroyo threw eight innings of four-hit shutout ball in the game after Edinson Volquez threw eight innings of one-hit, shutout ball.

“That’s what you hope for,” Arroyo said. “I definitely feel like it’s the best staff since I’ve been here. If we continue to do things like this, it breeds confidence in the guys from top to bottom.”

The next two pitchers up -- Micah Owings and Johnny Cueto -- each went seven innings and allowed one run their last time out.

"Our pitching is getting better and better," Dusty Baker said. "They're getting more confident. They feed off one another."

The Reds' road record of 8-3, by the way, is the best in the majors so far this year.

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OnBaseMachine
05-02-2009, 12:57 PM
Votto on Votto
Posted by JohnFay at 5/2/2009 11:52 AM EDT on Cincinnati.com

For my Sunday Insider for the paper, I asked Joey Votto how he thinks he's done so far this year. His answer will tell why he's a good player who will likely get better:

“I've had some bright spots,” he said. “But I have some things I really to work on. My two-strike approach has been pretty good but that can come and go. I just need a better approach at the plate. Better discipline.”

My follow-up question: Little hard to satisfy, aren't you?

“I’m not that hard to satisfy,” he said. “As long as I’m doing the fundamental things that I feel work in the long run. I’m hitting really well with two strikes but that generally doesn’t last. That’s not something you’re able to build a solid year on. You do want to be a tough out with two strikes. But you’re going to do most of your damage early in the count. I haven’t done that so far.”

Votto went on talk about needing to be better defensively and so on. The guy is driven. He also studies the game.

And, he's right about the two-strike stuff. He's 14-for-42 (.333). And if you're a pitcher and you go 3-1 on Votto, your best bet is to throw one a foot outside. Why? Because it goes to 3-2, you're deep trouble. Votto is hitting .538/.667/1.154 with the count full.

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Mario-Rijo
05-02-2009, 03:43 PM
Back-to-back gems
Posted by JohnFay at 5/1/2009 10:30 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

When the Reds put this team together, most of money and emphasis went toward pitching. So in order for this team is go anywhere, the pitching is going to have to be very good. Over the last two games, it's been a lot of better than very good. The Reds are up to 19 shutout innings in a row.

Bronson Arroyo threw eight innings of four-hit shutout ball in the game after Edinson Volquez threw eight innings of one-hit, shutout ball.

“That’s what you hope for,” Arroyo said. “I definitely feel like it’s the best staff since I’ve been here. If we continue to do things like this, it breeds confidence in the guys from top to bottom.”

The next two pitchers up -- Micah Owings and Johnny Cueto -- each went seven innings and allowed one run their last time out.

"Our pitching is getting better and better," Dusty Baker said. "They're getting more confident. They feed off one another."

The Reds' road record of 8-3, by the way, is the best in the majors so far this year.

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Not at all surprising, we give up more runs at home. That's why the stressed need for a big bat was there from the beginning. That and the proper approach by the rest. If we can maintain a solid approach (and/or get better in a few cases) and get that big bat we can hang in, if not well we will see.

KronoRed
05-02-2009, 04:09 PM
Hmmm 1999 you say? I forget what the Reds did that year... ;)

Failed to reach the playoffs. :D

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2009, 06:12 PM
From the Reds:

ZEROES: With Wed's 3-0 win vs Hou and last night’s 4-0 win at Pit, the Reds have produced consecutive shutout victories for the first time since 4-0 and 1-0 wins vs the Dodgers on 8/7 and 8/8, 2007…haven’t had 3 consecutive shutout wins since 6/21-6/23, 1963 vs Hou (3-0, 3-0, 4-0)…the Reds’ current 19.0-inning scoreless streak is their longest since a 19.0-inning scoreless streak from 7/14-7/16, 2002…haven’t thrown more than 19.0 consecutive scoreless innings since a 25.0-inning streak of zeroes from 8/11-8/14, 2000…Reds pitchers haven't thrown more than 25.0 straight scoreless innings since a 32.0-inning stretch from 6/20-6/24, 1963 that included the 3 shutouts vs the Astros.

QUALITY CONTROL: In the Reds' 22 games the opposing pitcher has produced 16 quality starts, including 11 straight from 4/14-4/25…the Reds went 9-7 when the opposing starter produced a quality appearance...the Reds have produced 10 quality starts (Arroyo 3, Harang 2, Cueto 2, Volquez 2, Owings 1)...Cin went 9-1 in those quality starts (.900).

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OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 12:25 AM
Seeking sage advice
In the eighth inning Friday after drawing a walk, rookie third baseman Adam Rosales was picked off by lefty reliever John Grabow. Immediately after reaching the dugout, Rosales was spotted speaking with the club's top base stealer, Willy Taveras.

It was Rosales who sought out Taveras for the advice.

"There's a lot to learn and a lot of new information," Rosales said. "Stealing with lefties, I have to get better. I just went first move on that guy. Some lefties you can pick up easily, but I haven't been up here long enough and we had a steal sign. I asked Willy if it was the smart thing to do if we have a steal sign. He said it was all you can do, really."

Chris Dickerson, Paul Janish and Darnell McDonald were all on the field for early batting practice. Janish hasn't played since last Sunday and McDonald hadn't seen action since Tuesday until entering Saturday's game as a pinch-hitter in the seventh inning. ... University of Cincinnati sports voice Dan Hoard has been filling in for Marty Brennaman on radio during this weekend's series. During baseball season, Hoard usually calls games for the Triple-A Pawtucket Red Sox.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090502&content_id=4529720&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 01:26 AM
A straight-up guy

When Jay Bruce was called up from Class AAA Louisville to Cincinnati on May 27, Chris Dickerson made a decision — “If it works for Jay, why not for me?”

While Dickerson batted out of crouch, Bruce was more upright, “So I modeled my swing after Jay’s and hit more upright and that’s when I took off.”

Dickerson batted .287 and after he, too, was called up, he hit .304 in 31 games for the Reds.

Somehow, though, he retreated back to a more crouched stance and his average was at .205 before Saturday’s game — hence an early batting practice session.

“Best batting practice session I ever had,” said Dickerson. “I went back to the more upright stance. I feel more comfortable seeing the ball in a crouch, more of a two-strike approach, but I’ve had success more upright. I can work down on the ball more.

“It’s a comfort level — whatever feels good day-to-day,” he said. “I’m at the point to start again with a clean slate and while my head is clear. This stance will help me mentally and physically.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/milk-hits-to-right-get-phillips-smiling-105138.html

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 01:27 AM
Why not Hanigan?

Baker was asked about the possibility of catcher Ryan Hanigan, hitting .412, starting more games than when Bronson Arroyo pitches.

“Then what do you do with Ramon Hernandez (.246)?” he said. “He is just getting his stroke. I don’t think this team is used to having this many good players at as many positions.

“Ramon is my catcher, but when Hanigan plays he does his thing and we win,” Baker added.

Same with Alex Gonzalez (.177) or Paul Janish (.357)?

“You’ll never get your stroke if you’re not playing,” he said. “We’re trying to play everybody enough to stay sharp and keep their stroke. You can only play eight of ‘em at a time.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/milk-hits-to-right-get-phillips-smiling-105138.html

membengal
05-03-2009, 10:08 AM
No, but you can give an extra start a week to those guys, Dusty, and still dole out enough at-bats to enable regulars to "keep their stroke". Gracious. It's not like keeping catchers fresh is a bad idea, or giving a guy who missed a year and has a balky knee a few days off a week is a bad thing.

SirFelixCat
05-03-2009, 10:36 AM
No, but you can give an extra start a week to those guys, Dusty, and still dole out enough at-bats to enable regulars to "keep their stroke". Gracious. It's not like keeping catchers fresh is a bad idea, or giving a guy who missed a year and has a balky knee a few days off a week is a bad thing.

Seriously. I'm just beyond word re: AGon/Janish situation.

Big Klu
05-03-2009, 12:33 PM
No, but you can give an extra start a week to those guys, Dusty, and still dole out enough at-bats to enable regulars to "keep their stroke". Gracious. It's not like keeping catchers fresh is a bad idea, or giving a guy who missed a year and has a balky knee a few days off a week is a bad thing.

It's really easy. Hanigan starts whenever Arroyo starts, and also in day games after night games. That will average out to 2-3 starts per week. It was also a good idea to rest Gonzalez when there is a day game after a night game. In both cases, if Dusty prefers that Ramon or Alex play in the day game, then they would have the night game off.

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 05:15 PM
Rosales wields hot bat in the Majors
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

05/03/09 1:32 PM ET

PITTSBURGH -- Reds third baseman Adam Rosales has shown so far that a promotion from Triple-A to the Majors hasn't been a wet blanket on his hot bat.

Rosales remained in the lineup's seventh spot on Sunday, although there was a different lineup on manager Dusty Baker's desk before he wrote out the one that was posted.

"Initially, I had him moved up today. But -- not yet," Baker said Sunday morning before the series finale with the Pirates.

It's only been three games, but Rosales entered Sunday batting .556 (5-for-9) with three RBIs. He had three hits during Saturday's 8-6 loss to Pittsburgh and had at least one hit in all three of his games.

In the second spot of the order, the Chris Dickerson-Jerry Hairston Jr. left-field platoon has batted a combined .187. Dickerson batted second in the lineup today.

"We'll take it one step at a time first," Baker said. "To bat second, there are a lot of things you have to do. Rosie isn't a real taker yet. With Willy Taveras on in front of you, you have to do some taking. I like that speed at the top up there, especially in front of Joey Votto. [Rosales] is just learning the pitchers and stuff. Let him chill a little bit down there. Let him marinate."

Rosales was recalled from Triple-A Louisville on Tuesday after Edwin Encarnacion went on the 15-day disabled list with a small chip fracture in his left wrist. Encarnacion is expected to miss around three weeks.

At Louisville, Rosales was batting .431 in 17 games and had an 11-game hitting streak. For now, Baker likes what the 25-year-old can bring to the seventh spot.

"It's pretty important to have somebody hitting down there too, way important," Baker said. "It's important for turning the lineup over. It's important for driving in runs as much as anything. You're going to get a lot of two-out situations when you need a two-out knock down there. It's important to get the pitcher to the plate."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090503&content_id=4536898&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Degenerate39
05-03-2009, 05:21 PM
I guess Baker doesn't believe in riding the hot bat

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 05:23 PM
Actually, Baker was asked if he considered moving Rosales up to second in the order.

“It’s very important where he is now,” said Baker. “He can turn the lineup over, get us to the top of the order. And he can get us some important two-out knocks with runners on base. Number two? There are a lot of things to do there, a lot of responsibilitiesl. Rosales is not a taker yet and we need that with Taveras ahead of him. I like speed up there - Chris Dickerson and Jerry Hairston Jr. And Rosales is just learning the pitching. I thought about putting him up there, but then decided - not yet. Let’s let him chill and marinate down there for a while.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2009/05/03/rosales_no_2_in_the_order_not.html

Hey Dusty, what good does speed do you when you're not getting on base?

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 05:55 PM
Reds pitching: a march of zeroes
By Hal McCoy | Sunday, May 3, 2009, 05:32 PM

Yank the chain and turn out the lights kind of pitching is, as Cincinnati Reds manager Dusty Baker likes to say, “Is a beautiful thing.”

When the other team can’t score, it takes all the pressure off the anemic offense that takes the field for the Reds.

So that’s what the pitching staff is providing.

For the third time in four games, the Reds pitching staff came up with a shutout Sunday, beating the Pittsburgh Pirates, 5-0. Johnny Cueto went eight innings and gave up no runs and four hits. Arthur Rhodes pitched a 1-2-3 ninth.

On Friday, Bronson Arroyo pitched eight scoreless innings against the Pirates, giving kup four hits, and Coco Cordero gave up a leadoff hit in the ninth, then went 1-2-3.

On Wednesday, Edinson Volquez pitched eight scoreless innings against the Houston Astros, giving up one hit, then Cordero pitched a 1-2-3 ninth.

Indeed, what a beautiful thing. Of course, the Pirates have been shut out in three of their last four games and have scored in only four of their last 40 innings.

For Cueto, is was his third straight sensational outing, pitching far and above the experience of a 23-year-old who understands and speaks English but refuses to do interviews in English. He uses catcher Ramon Hernandez to interpret.

He is afraid he’ll make a faux pas. But he concentrates on his English the way he has concentrated on the mound he should be able to teach an English Lit class by Friday.

It was Cueto’s third straight above-and-beyond start since an embarrassment in Houston April 17.

With two outs and nobody on in the fifth inning of a scoreless game, Cueto walked pitcher Roy Oswalt. Then he gave up another walk and an infield single to fill the bases. When he walked Lance Berkman, forcing in a run, Baker removed him.

Asked if that was a message and if Cueto learned from it, Baker said, “That’s not what we’re trying to do, but if he learned a lesson from it then so be it. That wasn’t the reason.”

Cueto was asked about that incident and said, “It made me want to work harder and have better starts. I wanted to go deeper into games and I’ve worked harder to do that.”

After Houston, Cueto pitched seven in Chicago, giving up no runs and four hits in a victory. Then he faced Houston at home and gave up one run and seven hits in seven innings, getting no decision.

Then came Sunday.

“I wanted to pitch the ninth, too, but they said, ‘No, too many pitches,’” said Cueto after throwing 110.

Said Baker, “He wanted to go back out there but we thought that was enough, especially when we need him sharp for his next start, which will be the St. Louis Cardinals.”

Baker was more than upbeat by what her saw from Cueto.

“Great job by Johnny,” he said. “He was locating the fastball and he had a good tempo. Whenever he got behind he’d back off and concentrate harder and relax and throw strikes.

“He walked one and had a number of three-ball counts where he would come back and throw strikes — a matter of concentration and desiere right there. He is pitching great, boy.”

Jay Bruce gave Cueto the only run he needed with his sixth home run of the year in the second and catcher Ramon Hernandez provided a comfort zone with a three-run single in the third on which he was thrown out at second.

Hernandez was upset early Sunday morning, still seething from striking out in the eighth inning Saturday night with two on and nobody out in a game the Reds lost, 8-6.

“I just lost it, no good after that at-bat,” said Hernandez. “That was terrible.”

But he made up for it and said, “Last night was a terrible game for me and I wanted to bounce back and help my team,” he said.

Of Cueto, Hernandez added, “The last three games for Cueto has been all about fastball-control, down on both sides of the plate with a four-seamer and a two-seamer,” said Hernandez. “He has been getting ahead of hitters

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

_Sir_Charles_
05-03-2009, 07:28 PM
Hey Dusty, what good does speed do you when you're not getting on base?

Dickerson did go hitless, but he also drew 2 walks. I've got no problem with Rosales in the bottom half of the lineup. Let the kid get his feet wet. No need to put the pressure on him yet. Meanwhile, Dickerson may be slumping, but he does tend to go deep into counts. Yeah, he k's quite a bit, but he does work the count which is a very good thing for the top of the order IMO.

Baker said Adam's "not a taker" yet, and I kind of agree. He seems SOOOOOOO pumped up to be in the bigs right now, I'm not sure I'd trust him too much to show above average patience at the plate.

fearofpopvol1
05-03-2009, 07:54 PM
What's Dusty smoking on? I've seen almost every at bat of Rosales' since he's been in the majors. He takes more pitches than almost any Red on the roster. He's got 4 walks in his 12 ABs and many deep counts. What more do you want?

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 08:07 PM
Dickerson did go hitless, but he also drew 2 walks. I've got no problem with Rosales in the bottom half of the lineup. Let the kid get his feet wet. No need to put the pressure on him yet. Meanwhile, Dickerson may be slumping, but he does tend to go deep into counts. Yeah, he k's quite a bit, but he does work the count which is a very good thing for the top of the order IMO.

Baker said Adam's "not a taker" yet, and I kind of agree. He seems SOOOOOOO pumped up to be in the bigs right now, I'm not sure I'd trust him too much to show above average patience at the plate.

I'm referring more to Hairston. I don't mind Dickerson batting second when he plays because he's got a great eye at the plate and still gets on base even when the hits aren't falling. I don't want Hairston playing at all, but if/when he does, he shouldn't bat second.

_Sir_Charles_
05-03-2009, 08:08 PM
I'm referring more to Hairston. I don't mind Dickerson batting second when he plays because he's got a great eye at the plate and still gets on base even when the hits aren't falling. I don't want Hairston playing at all, but if/when he does, he shouldn't bat second.

I agree with you on Hairston. I thought you meant Chris. My mistake.

OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 08:12 PM
Lesson learned?
Posted by JohnFay at 5/3/2009 6:46 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Dusty Baker said he was trying to win the game, not teach Johnny Cueto a lesson when he pulled him from his start in Houston in fifth inning of a 1-0 game. But Cueto learned something from the experience.

"I learned I have to work harder, make better pitches, be more consistent," Cueto said through an interpreter. "The goal is to go deep into the game."

Goal attained so far. Cueto's went seven innings in each of his next two starts. The turned it up one more notch Sunday, going a career-high eight innings to beat the Pittsburgh Pirates 5-0 at PNC Park. Cueto was nothing short of brilliant. He allowed four hits, walked one and struck out nine. No Pirate reached second base in the game.

The victory allowed the Reds to take the series and move back to two games over .500 at 13-11.

Cueto improved 2-1 and lowered his ERA to 1.65. Since that outing in Houston, in which he walked six, Cueto has pitched 22 innings and allowed one run on 15 hits. He walked two and struck out 17.

Again, the intent wasn't to teach Cueto a lesson.

"That's not what we were trying to do," Baker said. "If he learned a lesson, so be it. But that wasn't the reason. He's just been throwing great."

This could be my last blog entry for a couple of days. My laptop was infected with a virus -- CoreGuard 2009. It's gotten steadily worse. I can't even get on the internet. The tech people tell I need tobring the computer in to get it fixed. I'm typing away at hotel business center. I may be filing my stories from my iPhone for the series in Florida. I can't blog from the phone. I'll try to get up any news and the lineups and such. Thanks for your patience. I'm not a violent man by I'd like to slap the hackers responsible for this kind of stuff silly.

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OnBaseMachine
05-03-2009, 08:16 PM
‘Nick’ of time

Nick Masset wanted the No. 5 spot in the starting rotation so bad he tasted pie and ice cream every time he pitched during spring training.

He didn’t win it — lost it to Micah Owings — but it didn’t leave a bitter taste where the ice cream was. Masset has grasped the difficult middle and long relief role, a position where the writers don’t talk to you until you mess up.

“I’m in one of those positions that is very finicky,” he said. “You never know when or where or how you’ll pitch or the situation you’ll be thrown into. I feel good the way Dusty has used me.

“I just need to throw to stay sharp and focus every day on a game plan that I might be in there. I go one day, one pitch at a time and try to let my pitches work for me.”

Masset has made six appearances, four of them scoreless, and given up just one run in each of the other appearances.

Dusty’s namesakes

Dan Hoard, radio voice of the Pawtucket Red Sox in the International League, told Baker that Dusty Brown, a player for the PawSox is named after him.

Said Baker, “That’s humbling. I’ve heard of a few people named after me, but mostly it’s dogs and cats. People write me letters saying they named their cat after me. Mostly it’s animals named after me.”

Daniel, not Danny

Speaking of names, when he was called up from Louisville last year his name was Danny Herrera. Now it is Daniel Ray Herrera. Why?

“I’ve always gone by Daniel Ray,” said the lefthander bullpenner. “But people call me Danny. The media relations people ask me what I prefer to be called and then they put in Danny anyway and call me what they want to call me.”

Not this year. The 2009 Reds media guide calls him Daniel Ray.

Quote of the day

Trainer Mark Mann watched Fox TV broadcaster Jim Day walk into the clubhouse Sunday morning and said, “There he is, the face of the Reds,” to which Day replied, “If I’m the face of the Reds, I’m about two bolts shy of Frankenstein.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/rosales-needs-time-before-moving-up-to-no-2-105603.html

fearofpopvol1
05-03-2009, 08:43 PM
It's a little too early to say, but I wonder if Masset and Owings may benefit from switching roles (thus allowing more usage of Owings as a LF).

Mario-Rijo
05-03-2009, 11:11 PM
What's Dusty smoking on? I've seen almost every at bat of Rosales' since he's been in the majors. He takes more pitches than almost any Red on the roster. He's got 4 walks in his 12 ABs and many deep counts. What more do you want?

I agree he ain't swinging at some of the junk the rest are. Behind Votto and maybe Dickerson he's right there, in fact right now he's better than Dickerson.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 04:19 PM
The Redlegs have produced 3 shutout victories in their last 4 games...the only other time in the last 25 years that Reds pitchers produced 3 shutouts over any 4-game span was from 5/23-5/27, 1992 in games started and won by Greg Swindell (10-0 win at Phi), Chris Hammond (3-0 win at NYM) and Tim Belcher (1-0 win at NYM)...the only interruption during the shutout streak was a 8-3 victory by Jose Rijo on 5/24 at Phi (courtesy Elias Sports Bureau).

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OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 06:22 PM
Dusty on Nix v. Dickerson
Posted by JohnFay at 5/4/2009 5:08 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Dusty Baker knows that a lot of people in fan land would like to see Laynce Nix in left field.

"But the fans don't make out the lineup," Baker said. "Nix is going to play. Fans didn't even know who Nix was when we got him. You're not going to play him over Jay Bruce or Willy Taveras. That leaves left field. Who's got more talent than Chris Dickerson? Last year, Dickerson was the fair-haired boy. People wanted me to play him everyday against right- and left-handers."

It's a small sample but Nix has outplayed Dickerson so far. Nix is hitting .333 with a home run and three RBI in 30 at-bats. He's 4-for-his-last-7 and has scored a run in his last five appearances. Dickerson is hitting .204 with a home home run and five RBI in 49 at-bats. Nix has no errors, Dickerson has three.

Baker tends to stick with players longer than fans would like. He won't take a position away based on a small sample.

"I ain't no front-runner," he said.

"I had Nix in today to talk to him," Baker said. "When he came here, he knew the situation. We brought him in as an extra outfielder. I told him: Stay read. I'll play you enough to keep you sharp. He's very valuable coming off the bench. I still think he can be an everyday player. You don't want it to happen but sometimes you've got to let a guy play his way out before you put another guy in."

There's also fan sentiment to play Paul Janish and Ryan Hanigan more.

"I like the whole team," Baker said. "You can't play everybody. You play eight at a time and keep the rest sharp."

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OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 06:30 PM
Fans aren’t going to like this one, either.

Baker called Jerry Hairston Jr. (.159) into his office Monday to tell him he would be playing third base Tuesday and Wednesday instead of Adam Rosales (.417), “And I called Rosales into my office, too, to tell him,” said Baker.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2009/05/04/baker_nixes_talk_about_nix_sta.html

Absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, let's take one of the hottest hitters out of our struggling lineup and replace him with the coldest hitter on the team.

WVRedsFan
05-04-2009, 06:35 PM
Not starting Rosales at third in favor of Hairston reeks of FO tampering. Got to justify that ridiculous contract since it became the Reds' No. 1 priority over the winter. So what if we don't score any runs?

SirFelixCat
05-04-2009, 06:42 PM
Not only having JHJ start over Rosales nearly criminal, but Dusty's argument about him 'not being a taker' is just absolute bull crap.

I can not think of more than a SINGLE AB in which Rosales hasn't had a 3-x count. That was when he swung at the first pitch and popped out 2 games ago...can someone look that up?

And keeping everyone sharp? Janish would like to stand up and say "Hi", there Dusty. Oh My God!

SirFelixCat
05-04-2009, 06:53 PM
All I can find is that he's averaging 4.29 Pitches per PA, which, color me crazy, is sick good, no?

Oh wait, it's 17th in MLB, ahead of Adam Dunn (4.27)

membengal
05-04-2009, 07:00 PM
Wow. Okay. It is what it is.

Mario-Rijo
05-04-2009, 07:03 PM
Dusty on Nix v. Dickerson
Posted by JohnFay at 5/4/2009 5:08 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Dusty Baker knows that a lot of people in fan land would like to see Laynce Nix in left field.

"But the fans don't make out the lineup," Baker said. "Nix is going to play. Fans didn't even know who Nix was when we got him. You're not going to play him over Jay Bruce or Willy Taveras. That leaves left field. Who's got more talent than Chris Dickerson? Last year, Dickerson was the fair-haired boy. People wanted me to play him everyday against right- and left-handers."

It's a small sample but Nix has outplayed Dickerson so far. Nix is hitting .333 with a home run and three RBI in 30 at-bats. He's 4-for-his-last-7 and has scored a run in his last five appearances. Dickerson is hitting .204 with a home home run and five RBI in 49 at-bats. Nix has no errors, Dickerson has three.

Baker tends to stick with players longer than fans would like. He won't take a position away based on a small sample.

"I ain't no front-runner," he said.

"I had Nix in today to talk to him," Baker said. "When he came here, he knew the situation. We brought him in as an extra outfielder. I told him: Stay read. I'll play you enough to keep you sharp. He's very valuable coming off the bench. I still think he can be an everyday player. You don't want it to happen but sometimes you've got to let a guy play his way out before you put another guy in."

There's also fan sentiment to play Paul Janish and Ryan Hanigan more.

"I like the whole team," Baker said. "You can't play everybody. You play eight at a time and keep the rest sharp."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a42c5691c-7542-4078-969b-234b3f68bca5&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

He's right about one thing he ain't no front runner more like a runner up at best.

We didn't know Nix? Come on Dusty a lot of us know the entire team better than you do.

Rounding Third
05-04-2009, 10:47 PM
Dusty has said some of the stupidest things I have ever heard, but I struggled it through this article. Wow, I can't honestly believe this guy is a manager of anything, let alone a professional sports team. Way to insult the fans of your team.

“I let a guy play his way out of the lineup before I let a guy play his way into the lineup,” said Baker. “I ain ‘t no front-runner.”

Seriously? Wow...

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 02:17 AM
Shortstop Alex Gonzalez left in the ninth inning with a strained left oblique and returned to Cincinnati for an examination by Dr. Tim Kremchek and that’s why Janish was in the game.

“I did it batting in the ninth,” said Gonzalez. “I just can’t believe this stuff keeps happening. Unbelievable.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 02:19 AM
"Toughest one so far"
Posted by JohnFay at 5/5/2009 12:26 AM EDT on Cincinnati.com

"This is our toughest one so far," Dusty Baker decided after the Reds' 3-2, 14-inning loss to the Marlins. "Everybody did a good job. You hate to lose like that on a mistake."

Daniel Ray Herrera, the Reds' sixth pitcher of the night, started the 14th by walking Ronny Paulino. Hanley Ramirez followed with a base hit. That brought up former Red Jorge Cantu. Cantu hit groundball that first baseman Joey Votto went well toward second to field. He threw shortstop Paul Janish to force Ramirez. Janish's throw back to Herrera, who was covering first, was off line. It was went to the fence, allowing the slow-footed Paulino to score.

The error went to Janish. Baker said the fault was with Herrera.

"Daniel was late getting to the bag," Baker said. "We work on it all the time. He broke late. Janish was going for the double play. If he holds the ball, it's first and third, one out."

The unearned run was only allowed by the Reds bullpen in six innings of work.

The game went 4:31. There were 417 pitches thrown.

The Reds didn't use Micah Owings because he was going to pitch after Herrera. "He was our last line of defense," Baker said.

Alex Gonzalez strained his oblique in his final at-bat.

"Unbelievable," he said.

You've got to feel for the guy. He spent all of last year rehabbing.

He's probably headed for the DL. I have no earthly idea who they'd call up. Drew Sutton and Juan Francisco are only infielders on the 40-man not with the big club. Sutton on the DL. Francisco's not hitting Double-A. Wilkin Castillo is also on the 40-man. Chris Valaika would be the obvious choice. But he's not hitting at Triple-A and he's not on the 40-man.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a573ef00e-a871-4f0f-b5a1-11cdf888999b&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 02:21 AM
E.E. on the trip

Disabled third baseman Edwin Encarnacion (.127) is on this five-game trip to stay in shape, "Running and doing weight work. They'll check my wrist (chipped bone) when we get back to Cincinnati and take off this hard cast and replace it with a soft cast. And when I come back? I'm going to hit. I know I am."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/reds-nix-to-get-more-playing-time-107009.html

WMR
05-05-2009, 02:35 AM
Dusty is just depressing.

Ron Madden
05-05-2009, 02:36 AM
E.E. on the trip

Disabled third baseman Edwin Encarnacion (.127) is on this five-game trip to stay in shape, "Running and doing weight work. They'll check my wrist (chipped bone) when we get back to Cincinnati and take off this hard cast and replace it with a soft cast. And when I come back? I'm going to hit. I know I am."

I still believe Edwin will hit and hit well.

:)

Degenerate39
05-05-2009, 07:19 AM
After reading some of this I really hate Baker

boognish
05-05-2009, 07:26 AM
The Reds didn't use Micah Owings because he was going to pitch after Herrera. "He was our last line of defense," Baker said.

Apparently, Cordero can only pitch in save situations (??). Seems like a poor allocation of resources. :(

Big Klu
05-05-2009, 07:44 AM
Brantley says that pitching a closer in a non-save situation is asking for trouble. :rolleyes:

cumberlandreds
05-05-2009, 08:02 AM
Brantley says that pitching a closer in a non-save situation is asking for trouble. :rolleyes:

I think asking a former closer to do PBP is asking for trouble. :)

Cyclone792
05-05-2009, 08:14 AM
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/664/dustysdugoutdice2009.jpg

osuceltic
05-05-2009, 09:31 AM
You guys love to pile on Dusty. A few responses to discussions in this thread:

-- On Rosales ... I think Dusty's point might have been proven in his last at-bat last night, when he swung at the first three pitches in a clutch situation -- including two that were out of the strike zone.

-- On Dickerson/Nix ... Most here wanted to hand center field over to Dickerson in the offseason and used that as the primary reason for bashing the Taveras signing. Now you're ready to dump the guy after 40 at-bats? Everyone criticizes Dusty for not giving young guys a chance and the first time he gives a young guy an extended opportunity to work through a slump, Dusty gets bashed for it. Dusty's point is he isn't going to make a snap decision based on a small sample size for both players. Seems like most of you criticizing him over this use that same argument -- at least when it suits your purposes.

-- On the pitching decision ... He was saving Micah because when he used him, he wanted to be able to use him for more than an inning or two if needed. But he didn't really want to use him at all. He was the last resort, and someone who could handle an extended extra inning game. I agree with it.

Chip R
05-05-2009, 09:32 AM
-- On the pitching decision ... He was saving Micah because when he used him, he wanted to be able to use him for more than an inning or two if needed. But he didn't really want to use him at all. He was the last resort, and someone who could handle an extended extra inning game. I agree with it.


And that worked out well with Harang last year so I can see why he would want to do it again. :rolleyes:

BRM
05-05-2009, 09:36 AM
Dusty is just depressing.

No kidding. These most recent quotes had me shaking my head in disbelief. Hopefully there's more to the story with benching Rosales in favor of JHJ the next two days. Otherwise, I just don't get it.

BuckeyeRedleg
05-05-2009, 09:36 AM
-- On Dickerson/Nix ... Most here wanted to hand center field over to Dickerson in the offseason and used that as the primary reason for bashing the Taveras signing. Now you're ready to dump the guy after 40 at-bats?


And do you have proof that the same people that wanted Dickerson in CF are the same people that now want him replaced?

westofyou
05-05-2009, 09:36 AM
Brantley says that pitching a closer in a non-save situation is asking for trouble. :rolleyes:

Wonder what Rollie, Bruce and John Hiller think about that inane excuse.

And make no bones about it, it's a manufactured excuses by a one inning pitcher why other one inning pitchers aren't perfect.. and a bad excuse at that.

membengal
05-05-2009, 09:41 AM
And do you have proof that the same people that wanted Dickerson in CF are the same people that now want him replaced?

I'm one.

But osu, not surprisingly, misses an important distinction. A bunch of people, me included, were ready to roll the dice with dickerson's bat in CF. Where even if he played to the low end of an OPS, it would be okay given his position.

Instead, we have been given Dickerson in LF, with its heightened offensive requirement, and he has gone way low on OPS.

So, yeah, I want Nix to get some additional at-bats over Dickerson. Unapologetically.

I sometimes wonder what Dusty (or Walt) would have to do to draw any criticism from a certain group of fans....I am more than happy to praise Baker when he does stuff praiseworthy. But he isn't covering himself in glory at the moment.

lollipopcurve
05-05-2009, 09:44 AM
Most here wanted to hand center field over to Dickerson in the offseason and used that as the primary reason for bashing the Taveras signing. Now you're ready to dump the guy after 40 at-bats?

It's pretty safe to say that if Redszone managed the Reds roster, it would have the stability of a Tilt-A-Wheel on its last county fair of the summer.

membengal
05-05-2009, 09:48 AM
It's pretty safe to say that if Redszone managed the Reds roster, it would have the stability of a Tilt-A-Wheel on its last county fair of the summer.

Considering "Redszone" isn't a monolith, I suppose that's true. Nice strawman.

bucksfan2
05-05-2009, 09:52 AM
Wonder what Rollie, Bruce and John Hiller think about that inane excuse.

And make no bones about it, it's a manufactured excuses by a one inning pitcher why other one inning pitchers aren't perfect.. and a bad excuse at that.

Jeff Brantley has 172 career saves. I think I am going to take his word about closers pitching in non-save situations.

Cyclone792
05-05-2009, 09:54 AM
It's simply unfathomable how the team's best relief pitcher doesn't make an appearance during a 14-inning game.

Seems to me that a tie ballgame in extra innings is pretty high leverage, but hey, I guess that's not the ideal situation to give Cordero some work.

nate
05-05-2009, 09:59 AM
-- On Rosales ... I think Dusty's point might have been proven in his last at-bat last night, when he swung at the first three pitches in a clutch situation -- including two that were out of the strike zone.

One AB "proves" something?


-- On Dickerson/Nix ... Most here wanted to hand center field over to Dickerson in the offseason and used that as the primary reason for bashing the Taveras signing. Maybe you should address those who are a part of "most" and "bashed" Taveras. Maybe you should also consider what the arguments against Taveras actually were rather than lumping everyone with a dissent into the ellusive "basher" category. Otherwise, your argument would seemingly be with the wind.


Now you're ready to dump the guy after 40 at-bats? I dunno. In this very post, you postulated that something was "proven" after one AB.


Everyone criticizes Dusty for not giving young guys a chance and the first time he gives a young guy an extended opportunity to work through a slump, Dusty gets bashed for it. Again, your argument would be better served by taking it up with the two or three people who make up your phantom "everyone." Even better, stop constructing strawmen to argue against and make your points. It would really help move the discussion forward.


Dusty's point is he isn't going to make a snap decision based on a small sample size for both players. Except in the case of your first point where you want him to make a snap decision based on one AB.


Seems like most of you criticizing him over this use that same argument -- at least when it suits your purposes.Again, you'd have to address "most of you" specifically for your "point" to have much meaning.

westofyou
05-05-2009, 10:01 AM
Jeff Brantley has 172 career saves. I think I am going to take his word about closers pitching in non-save situations.

Go ahead, and I'll take the word of the numerous other relief pitchers I've heard and read about.

I'm a firm believer of looking beyond the Reds franchise for my baseball truism's myself.

osuceltic
05-05-2009, 10:16 AM
One AB "proves" something?
Nope. But maybe it's an indication of what Dusty is seeing or has read in scouting reports.


Maybe you should address those who are a part of "most" and "bashed" Taveras. Maybe you should also consider what the arguments against Taveras actually were rather than lumping everyone with a dissent into the ellusive "basher" category. Otherwise, your argument would seemingly be with the wind.
Sorry, I left my tally sheet in my other pants.


I dunno. In this very post, you postulated that something was "proven" after one AB.
No I didn't. So ... are you ready to dump Dickerson after 40 at-bats?


Except in the case of your first point where you want him to make a snap decision based on one AB.
Nope. I just acknowledge that maybe -- just maybe -- Dusty has a little more information at his disposal with which to make decisions.

If Dusty had listened to the RedsZone majority so far this season, he would have benched Hernandez already, traded Weathers for a bag of balls and lined up Brandon Phillips in front of a firing squad. He has managed a team through slumps from six of the eight everyday players to a winning record despite an early 10-game road trip. Is he perfect? No. But how about giving the guy a little credit for getting results. Isn't that what it's about? Does anyone think this team is much better than its current record?

membengal
05-05-2009, 10:24 AM
Yes. With Phillips not locked into clean-up against righties, and an earlier recognition that Nix's bat is valuable and should play ahead of Dickerson's in LF, they are 2-3 wins better.

osuceltic
05-05-2009, 10:37 AM
Yes. With Phillips not locked into clean-up against righties, and an earlier recognition that Nix's bat is valuable and should play head of Dickerson's in LF, they are 2-3 wins better.

First, that's ridiculous.

Second, what you're basically saying is if Dusty did everything exactly the way you think he should do it, the team would be better. But the things he does that you disagree with that work -- does he get credit for those? Do you get dinged for those?

nate
05-05-2009, 10:41 AM
Does anyone think this team is much better than its current record?

No. I actually think it's worse. At some point, teams have to consistently score more runs than the opposition to be successful. The Reds pitchers are doing their part by preventing runs. The defense is sort of doing it's part by preventing runs. The offense outside of Votto, Bruce and perhaps the catcher spot ain't doin' nothing. That has to get better.

membengal
05-05-2009, 10:41 AM
You asked. I answered. You don't like it? Fine.

And you can paint me as a "dusty hater" if you want, but you would be wrong. I do think the continuing insistence of Phillips at clean-up against RHers is killing an already sick offense. So, yeah, I think it is costing them games.

So, in response, I find your position "ridiculous" (to use your oh so kind term).

Are we getting somewhere yet?

Will M
05-05-2009, 10:44 AM
Alex Gonzalez strained his oblique in his final at-bat.

"Unbelievable," he said.

You've got to feel for the guy. He spent all of last year rehabbing.

He's probably headed for the DL. I have no earthly idea who they'd call up. Drew Sutton and Juan Francisco are only infielders on the 40-man not with the big club. Sutton on the DL. Francisco's not hitting Double-A. Wilkin Castillo is also on the 40-man. Chris Valaika would be the obvious choice. But he's not hitting at Triple-A and he's not on the 40-man.



Hopefully Janish gets the ABs at SS (not Hairston).

Call up Bankston or Gomes to play LF vs LHP. Use Hairston as the emergency SS.

lollipopcurve
05-05-2009, 10:49 AM
If Dusty had listened to the RedsZone majority so far this season, he would have benched Hernandez already, traded Weathers for a bag of balls and lined up Brandon Phillips in front of a firing squad. He has managed a team through slumps from six of the eight everyday players to a winning record despite an early 10-game road trip. Is he perfect? No. But how about giving the guy a little credit for getting results. Isn't that what it's about? Does anyone think this team is much better than its current record?

Well put.

Team's OK by me so far.

membengal
05-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Dusty does some good things (I like how he is handling the young pitchers and said so in a thread a year ago). He does some bad things (Phillips at clean-up against rightys re-defines a bad thing, particularly on an already offensively challenged ballclub).

Why does it mean, because he does some good things, we have to accept that he also does bad things? Why can't he correct the bad things? And why do you assume, lolllipop, and whoever else, that because someone might suggest that the bad thing is correctable, that it is emblematic of "dusty hate". Dusty has all sorts of strengths. But one of his strengths (his loyalty) is also, I think, one of his weaknesses.

I reject the implication that a discussion of Dusty's style denotes "hatred", and resent the broad brush that is brought to such discussions by some posters. Strawmen all over the place.

Scrap Irony
05-05-2009, 10:58 AM
According to Pythagorean, the Reds should be two or three games under .500, yet they are actually one game over. Wouldn't an unbiased person ascertain that the Red manager has made enough smart moves to boost the Red win totals by three or four? Or can you insist this is just "Teh Dust" and most his moves are wrong because, hey, he's just mostly wrong?

Sounds intellectually lazy to me, but what do I know? I don't own Dusty Dice, toothpicks, or wristbands.

membengal
05-05-2009, 10:59 AM
According to Pythagorean, the Reds should be two or three games under .500, yet they are actually one game over. Wouldn't an unbiased person ascertain that the Red manager has made enough smart moves to boost the Red win totals by three or four? Or can you insist this is just "Teh Dust" and all his moves are wrong because, hey, he's just always wrong?

Sounds intellectually lazy to me.

What's lazy is assuming that what the Reds are doing is always the best that they can do. And it is further lazy to broadbrush people discussing moves into a camp labeled "dusty haters".

nate
05-05-2009, 11:10 AM
According to Pythagorean, the Reds should be two or three games under .500, yet they are actually one game over. Wouldn't an unbiased person ascertain that the Red manager has made enough smart moves to boost the Red win totals by three or four?

No. An unbiased person might say that the Reds have gotten blown out a couple times and played close the rest of the times. They might say the season is still young. They might even say the Reds have just gotten lucky.

westofyou
05-05-2009, 11:14 AM
No. An unbiased person might say that the Reds have gotten blown out a couple times and played close the rest of the times. They might say the season is still young. They might even say the Reds have just gotten lucky.

Teams that beat the Pythag often have a good BP, so that's a sign that can be seen as good.

But trying to reward somebody or something for pulling an inside straight is a hard thing to do.

gm
05-05-2009, 12:41 PM
Hopefully Janish gets the ABs at SS (not Hairston).

Call up Bankston or Gomes to play LF vs LHP. Use Hairston as the emergency SS.

So, "we've" gone from last week secretly hoping that a non-hitting starting infielder would come up with a mysterious injury so that Rosales would get a call up and a chance to play...to this week and suddenly the starting left side of the infield is out, indefinitely

be careful what you wish for, you may anger the baseball gods

RedsManRick
05-05-2009, 12:47 PM
And do you have proof that the same people that wanted Dickerson in CF are the same people that now want him replaced?

It wasn't that we all expected Dickerson to be awesome, just likely as good as or better than the alternatives and nowhere near as expensive.

So far in 2009:

Dickerson: .218/.333/.327, .660 OPS
Taveras: .262/.333/.333, .666 OPS

The real point of putting Dickerson in CF was that the Reds needed to devote financial resources to getting a bat in LF, not a marginal (at best) upgrade in CF. I think that point has been driven home quite clearly thus far.

nate
05-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Teams that beat the Pythag often have a good BP, so that's a sign that can be seen as good.

But trying to reward somebody or something for pulling an inside straight is a hard thing to do.

Right. Let's continue winning because we're solid both halves of the inning rather than making sure the horseshoe is facing up.

Raisor
05-05-2009, 01:07 PM
The real point of putting Dickerson in CF was that the Reds needed to devote financial resources to getting a bat in LF, not a marginal (at best) upgrade in CF. I think that point has been driven home quite clearly thus far.

I really can't see what's hard about understanding this.

BuckeyeRedleg
05-05-2009, 01:08 PM
It wasn't that we all expected Dickerson to be awesome, just likely as good as or better than the alternatives and nowhere near as expensive.

So far in 2009:

Dickerson: .218/.333/.327, .660 OPS
Taveras: .262/.333/.333, .666 OPS

The real point of putting Dickerson in CF was that the Reds needed to devote financial resources to getting a bat in LF, not a marginal (at best) upgrade in CF. I think that point has been driven home quite clearly thus far.

Exactly.

SirFelixCat
05-05-2009, 01:20 PM
Just for the record, I was all in favor of using CD in CF and not signing Taveras...I'm just hoping he's (WillyT) turned a corner when it comes to OBP. I hope he proves my hope justified.

But I do totally agree w/ those who said that the money spent on him would have been better served getting a LF bat.

And to those that see no flaw(s) w/ Dusty's managing are on the exact opposite end of the spectrum from the 'bashers'. I'd like to think that a majority of the 'zone see's both his good and bad decisions.

His thought to use Ownings (who just pitched 102 pitches 2 days ago!!!) before CoCo and only using Massett for 1 batter, well, were horrible decisions, imo. How can you be so blinded by one side of the argument to not see that?

Cyclone792
05-05-2009, 01:23 PM
Just for the record, I was all in favor of using CD in CF and not signing Taveras...I'm just hoping he's (WillyT) turned a corner when it comes to OBP. I hope he proves my hope justified.

His OBP is already sinking - last 12 games he has only 2 walks in 55 PA with a .269 OBP. His current OBP has already dropped down to .333, which is about 20 points lower than the absolute minimum we need from the leadoff slot.

TheNext44
05-05-2009, 01:35 PM
Dusty does some good things (I like how he is handling the young pitchers and said so in a thread a year ago). He does some bad things (Phillips at clean-up against rightys re-defines a bad thing, particularly on an already offensively challenged ballclub).

Why does it mean, because he does some good things, we have to accept that he also does bad things? Why can't he correct the bad things? And why do you assume, lolllipop, and whoever else, that because someone might suggest that the bad thing is correctable, that it is emblematic of "dusty hate". Dusty has all sorts of strengths. But one of his strengths (his loyalty) is also, I think, one of his weaknesses.

I reject the implication that a discussion of Dusty's style denotes "hatred", and resent the broad brush that is brought to such discussions by some posters. Strawmen all over the place.

First, I completely agree that just because someone points out problems that they see with any manager, that they are a "hater." In fact, isn't that the whole purpose of this board? To voice our opinions on such matters? Even if the team was undefeated, and the manager did some things that I found questionable, I would call him on it.

However, I have a strange view on this part, "Why does it mean, because he does some good things, we have to accept that he also does bad things? Why can't he correct the bad things?"

I actually think that when it comes to managers, you have to accept the bad with the good. That is because every good manager I have ever seen, has a very specific game plan, a very unique view of the game and they mold the team around that view/game plan. This game plan works best when implemented as a whole, warts and all.

Boone and Narron were ineffective managers because they had no game plan, they simply adjusted the lineup and roster on a daily basis based on the situation at that time. Their decisions were all over the place, and as a whole, made little or no sense.

I think it is far better to have a strong, precise game plan, and stick to that the whole season, adjusting only when you have to, like for injuries and such. You will get much better production overall, over the whole season, from the whole team. It's kinda like playing Blackjack. It is better to play consistently, even if some of your decisions go against the odds, then to try to guess the cards, or to keep changing when you hit and when you stay (unless you are counting cards, and are amazing at it).

Sparky Anderson drove me crazy with his early hook and constant changing of pitchers. Lou Piniella insisted on a strong defensive CF and a lefty specialist, even if they were no good (see Dave Martinez and Scott Ruskin), Jack McKeon liked to hit Pokey Reece leadoff. However, as long as I knew that this was part of an overall solid game plan or approach to the game that worked in the long run, I was willing to accept these particular moves, no matter how upsetting they were to watch.

Every manager, even the great ones, have holes or problems in the way they manage, but these problems are part of an overall winning approach. Sometimes you have to take the bitter with the sweet.

TheNext44
05-05-2009, 02:03 PM
His OBP is already sinking - last 12 games he has only 2 walks in 55 PA with a .269 OBP. His current OBP has already dropped down to .333, which is about 20 points lower than the absolute minimum we need from the leadoff slot.

I am not sure that there an absolute minimum number for any player for anything that they do. But if there is such a thing, I think a .350 OBP is not that. I know it's early, but the Cards have one of the best records in baseball with Shumaker hitting worse than Taveras as leadoff. (.330 .321). Same with the Dodgers and Furcal (.336 .327). Last year, the White Sox made the playoffs with their leadoff hitter OBP .333.

Also, factor in Taveras' steals, and that improves his overall production. Not by a whole lot, but enough that the .20 points you mentioned he is missing becomes more like .10.

Just to be clear, a .333 OBP from a leadoff hitter is not good. But I do believe that it is above the "minimum" needed for a team to contend.

SirFelixCat
05-05-2009, 02:09 PM
TheNext, I agree w/ you in regards to steals adding 'something' to his production, but he hasn't been doing it enough, or with any regulatiry whatsoever. 6 steals over a month thru the season?!?

I'm really frustrated by last night's game and the amount of times I said aloud, "Ok, he's got to take off here, right?" both as a steal or in a double-steal situation in which he, amoung others, just never even tried. :(

nate
05-05-2009, 02:10 PM
I am not sure that there an absolute minimum number for any player for anything that they do. But if there is such a thing, I think a .350 OBP is not that. I know it's early, but the Cards have one of the best records in baseball with Shumaker hitting worse than Taveras as leadoff. (.330 .321). Same with the Dodgers and Furcal (.336 .327). Last year, the White Sox made the playoffs with their leadoff hitter OBP .333.

Also, factor in Taveras' steals, and that improves his overall production. Not by a whole lot, but enough that the .20 points you mentioned he is missing becomes more like .10.

Just to be clear, a .333 OBP from a leadoff hitter is not good. But I do believe that it is above the "minimum" needed for a team to contend.

Cyclone did say "we need" as opposed to "is needed." I think that was deliberate because the rest of the team is somewhat OBP deficient. So in order to have a more complimentary lineup, Willy T would need to OBP as described.

Cyclone792
05-05-2009, 02:12 PM
I am not sure that there an absolute minimum number for any player for anything that they do. But if there is such a thing, I think a .350 OBP is not that. I know it's early, but the Cards have one of the best records in baseball with Shumaker hitting worse than Taveras as leadoff. (.330 .321). Same with the Dodgers and Furcal (.336 .327). Last year, the White Sox made the playoffs with their leadoff hitter OBP .333.

Also, factor in Taveras' steals, and that improves his overall production. Not by a whole lot, but enough that the .20 points you mentioned he is missing becomes more like .10.

Just to be clear, a .333 OBP from a leadoff hitter is not good. But I do believe that it is above the "minimum" needed for a team to contend.

Just because something happens on a rare occasion doesn't make it a pattern or plan that you want to adopt. Take a glance at every playoff team since the wildcard era, and I bet the average leadoff on-base percentage - even when adjusted for era - is higher than .333 (probably much higher since even the league average is 10 points higher than that).

For the exceptions at the bottom of the list, they likely had a whole lot of other things (great pitching, great defense, Albert Pujols, etc.) that helped offset that disadvantage. What do we have? Great pitching sure, but also an overall 75 OPS+ right now.

BRM
05-05-2009, 02:13 PM
The Cardinals and Dodgers are two of the best teams in the NL in OBP. In fact, the Dodgers lead the NL in that category. You can get away with a less than desired OB at the top if the rest of the team is getting on base at a good clip.

TheNext44
05-05-2009, 02:41 PM
Just because something happens on a rare occasion doesn't make it a pattern or plan that you want to adopt. Take a glance at every playoff team since the wildcard era, and I bet the average leadoff on-base percentage - even when adjusted for era - is higher than .333 (probably much higher since even the league average is 10 points higher than that).

For the exceptions at the bottom of the list, they likely had a whole lot of other things (great pitching, great defense, Albert Pujols, etc.) that helped offset that disadvantage. What do we have? Great pitching sure, but also an overall 75 OPS+ right now.

As Nate pointed out, I misread your post. You probably are correct that this teams needs a better leadoff hitter than one with a .333 OBP. My apologies.

BRM
05-05-2009, 03:46 PM
Hopefully Janish gets the ABs at SS (not Hairston).


It ain't happening tonight. JHJ is at SS.

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2009, 03:52 PM
Dusty does some good things (I like how he is handling the young pitchers and said so in a thread a year ago). He does some bad things (Phillips at clean-up against rightys re-defines a bad thing, particularly on an already offensively challenged ballclub).

Why does it mean, because he does some good things, we have to accept that he also does bad things? Why can't he correct the bad things? And why do you assume, lolllipop, and whoever else, that because someone might suggest that the bad thing is correctable, that it is emblematic of "dusty hate". Dusty has all sorts of strengths. But one of his strengths (his loyalty) is also, I think, one of his weaknesses.

I reject the implication that a discussion of Dusty's style denotes "hatred", and resent the broad brush that is brought to such discussions by some posters. Strawmen all over the place.

Dead on points, good post.

Will M
05-05-2009, 04:13 PM
It ain't happening tonight. JHJ is at SS.

I have never been a Dusty basher & have defended him at times. No more.
Dusty is a &#%$ moron. Hairston cannot play SS defensively and is OPSing 0.469 ! (Not a typo). Janish can play SS and is OPSing 0.944

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2009, 04:14 PM
I wish I had rep points to give out so many good points being made here.

Just wanted to add this thought or question I guess. Why is it when extra innings seem inevitable or have just begun Dusty Baker feels the need to use his long man (Fogg in '08, Masset in '09) right away and for only an inning or less? I get the feeling he is being overly optimistic, that if he does that we will win it in our half of the inning without using anyone else too much otherwise it makes no sense at all.

My other thought is I'll be glad when Bill Bray is back and Herrera is used sparingly and/or in special situations. Herrera has a hard enough time just getting the ball to the plate. He's a good kid and I love his moxie but he is gonna get hammered the more he hangs around, especially if he can't throw strikes.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 04:14 PM
It ain't happening tonight. JHJ is at SS.

Hilarious. I said last night that Dusty would play Hairston at SS over Janish. Not only is Hairston an awful hitter, he's an even worse defender at SS. He makes Keppinger look good at SS. So much for that improved defense.

BRM
05-05-2009, 04:22 PM
Hilarious. I said last night that Dusty would play Hairston at SS over Janish. Not only is Hairston an awful hitter, he's an even worse defender at SS. He makes Keppinger look good at SS. So much for that improved defense.

It really shouldn't shock anyone that JHJ is getting the nod at SS. It certainly won't surprise me if he gets the bulk of the time there if Gonzalez goes on the DL.

KronoRed
05-05-2009, 04:34 PM
Hilarious. I said last night that Dusty would play Hairston at SS over Janish. Not only is Hairston an awful hitter, he's an even worse defender at SS. He makes Keppinger look good at SS. So much for that improved defense.

Yeah but he's a favorite of the Duster, that's all that counts

Will M
05-05-2009, 04:35 PM
It really shouldn't shock anyone that JHJ is getting the nod at SS. It certainly won't surprise me if he gets the bulk of the time there if Gonzalez goes on the DL.

it doesn't shock me. it pisses me off. it is just stupid stupid stupid.

if Bob C wants fans to pay hard earned cash to come to the game then build a better team/organization. JHJ at SS instead of a guy who can play SS & is outhitting him 2:1 isn't the way to win games.

Chip R
05-05-2009, 04:37 PM
It really shouldn't shock anyone that JHJ is getting the nod at SS. It certainly won't surprise me if he gets the bulk of the time there if Gonzalez goes on the DL.


He's our good luck charm.

BRM
05-05-2009, 04:38 PM
He's our good luck charm.

The Reds had a winning record in games he started last year. Or so I've been told a thousand times.

RichRed
05-05-2009, 04:46 PM
The Reds had a winning record in games he started last year. Or so I've been told a thousand times.

This year: 5-6, but only 6-10 in games in which he just makes an appearance. Clearly, the only conclusion to draw is that Jerry needs to be in the starting lineup as much as possible.

BRM
05-05-2009, 04:49 PM
This year: 5-6, but only 6-10 in games in which he just makes an appearance. Clearly, the only conclusion to draw is that Jerry needs to be in the starting lineup as much as possible.

Must be the extraordinary defense he plays.

Homer Bailey
05-05-2009, 04:52 PM
it doesn't shock me. it pisses me off. it is just stupid stupid stupid.

if Bob C wants fans to pay hard earned cash to come to the game then build a better team/organization. JHJ at SS instead of a guy who can play SS & is outhitting him 2:1 isn't the way to win games.

Ditto. Nevermind the fact he hits him 2nd against a righty.

(Last I'll say about the lineup).

lollipopcurve
05-05-2009, 05:12 PM
Patience growing thin with Hairston at the plate so far.

No patience for him being at SS.

JHJ is probably going to have to butcher a good number of plays before Dusty backs off using him as the regular guy.

Could they promote Stubbs to be the RH half of the LF platoon?

My guess is that they promote Castillo.

BRM
05-05-2009, 05:14 PM
My guess is that they promote Castillo.

That's who I think they will promote as well.

membengal
05-05-2009, 05:18 PM
It would be nice if they would promote somebody, if and when it comes to that, who has some power.

Just sayin'.

BRM
05-05-2009, 05:19 PM
Whoever they promote probably won't get many at-bats anyway so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 05:21 PM
Jerry Hairston Jr. is quickly becoming my least favorite Reds player of all-time.

TheNext44
05-05-2009, 05:22 PM
If Dusty plans to use JHJ at SS, which would suck, that would mean that the Reds would (should) probably call up Gomes to replace JHJ as the RH side of the LF platoon. There is no way the McDonald should get starts.

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2009, 05:22 PM
It would be nice if they would promote somebody, if and when it comes to that, who has some power.

Just sayin'.

I'm thinking Gomes will be up although I can also see them go with Castillo. I just think they lose a lot of credibility with their kids down the farm if Gomes doesn't get the call. However Castillo does give them the ability to send him back down without losing him.

Personally I think right now we need Gomes' power and fire.

TRF
05-05-2009, 05:23 PM
That's who I think they will promote as well.

two moves should be made. 1st, replace AGon. you don't do that with Castillo, you do it with Janish, and replace Janish backup spot with JHJ. you then replace JHJ's spot with another IF/OF type like Barker.

Then you replace McDonald with Bankston or Gomes.

But if you really wanted to shake things up, Cozart at SS batting 8th could be pretty cool.

WMR
05-05-2009, 05:30 PM
two moves should be made. 1st, replace AGon. you don't do that with Castillo, you do it with Janish, and replace Janish backup spot with JHJ. you then replace JHJ's spot with another IF/OF type like Barker.

Then you replace McDonald with Bankston or Gomes.

But if you really wanted to shake things up, Cozart at SS batting 8th could be pretty cool.

You think Dusty's going to let his toys be taken away without a fuss?

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 05:33 PM
GONZALEZ UPDATE:Alex Gonzalez was being examined by Dr. Tim Kremchek this afternoon. The Reds expect to hear about game time. An oblique injury usually puts a player on the DL.

"Usually," Baker said. "It depends on if they caught it early enough. If it's not too bad, it might just take a couple of days -- treat it, medicate it."

The Reds have three infielders on the 40-man who are currently in the minors: Juan Francisco, Drew Sutton and Wilkin Castillo. My guess is Castillo gets the call, if Gonzalez is put on the DL. Francisco is hitting .217 at Double-A. Sutton is the DL at Louisville with mono.

"We don't (have a lot of infielders)," Baker said. "We don't have many spare players on the 40-man. We've got a lot pitchers."

MORE ON NIX:Baker revisted the Laynce Nix vs. Chris Dickerson discussion.

"What do you do make changes one week to the next? Whoever is hot that week or semi-hot that week?" Baker said. "Everyone wants Nix to play. Shove Dickerson, then shove the next guy. Then you're not showing confidence in anybody."

"It's a long race here. So much of it is physical but a whole bunch of it is psychological. So much of it is confidence and spurring confidence."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a996c1c19-49be-49cb-b55c-17afc99acbe5&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

WMR
05-05-2009, 05:36 PM
GONZALEZ UPDATE:Alex Gonzalez was being examined by Dr. Tim Kremchek this afternoon. The Reds expect to hear about game time. An oblique injury usually puts a player on the DL.

"Usually," Baker said. "It depends on if they caught it early enough. If it's not too bad, it might just take a couple of days -- treat it, medicate it."

The Reds have three infielders on the 40-man who are currently in the minors: Juan Francisco, Drew Sutton and Wilkin Castillo. My guess is Castillo gets the call, if Gonzalez is put on the DL. Francisco is hitting .217 at Double-A. Sutton is the DL at Louisville with mono.

"We don't (have a lot of infielders)," Baker said. "We don't have many spare players on the 40-man. We've got a lot pitchers."

MORE ON NIX:Baker revisted the Laynce Nix vs. Chris Dickerson discussion.

"What do you do make changes one week to the next? Whoever is hot that week or semi-hot that week?" Baker said. "Everyone wants Nix to play. Shove Dickerson, then shove the next guy. Then you're not showing confidence in anybody."

"It's a long race here. So much of it is physical but a whole bunch of it is psychological. So much of it is confidence and spurring confidence."

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a996c1c19-49be-49cb-b55c-17afc99acbe5&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

I wish there was an 'ignore' feature for Dusty. :D

BuckeyeRedleg
05-05-2009, 05:36 PM
I'm glad that Dusty is showing patience with Dickerson. I just wish he'd show it by playing him in CF, so Nix can also play.

Win, win.

Will M
05-05-2009, 05:38 PM
Jerry Hairston Jr. is quickly becoming my least favorite Reds player of all-time.

i actually like Jerry & will root for him. he had a very nice comeback year in 2008 & got the Reds to give him $2M to play for 2009. now comes 2009 & Jerry stinks. not so much a problem if he is the 25th man. instead he gets run out there in LF vs LHP when there are better options for this role (Gomes or Bankston). Now its worse, he gets run out there at SS which he can't play worse than he can't play LF

BRM
05-05-2009, 05:45 PM
Like I said earlier, I really think whoever they promote will mostly just ride the pine anyway. So it doesn't really matter to me who gets the call.

westofyou
05-05-2009, 05:46 PM
Jerry Hairston's a peach compared to Brandon Larson, Curtis Goodwin, Reggie Taylor, or other whipping boys like Tim Hummel or Paul Bako

Cyclone792
05-05-2009, 05:50 PM
Janish should be playing over Hairston at shortstop. That's such an incredibly easy decision that should be made that I just have to shake my head that it won't happen. teh Dusty deserves to get criticized for that one.

I'll be fair to teh Dusty, though, and offer support for his handling of Dickerson. I'm glad he's not shoving Dickerson to the bench already this season and instead electing to stick with him. I just wish it was in center field rather than left field.

Scrap Irony
05-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Dusty does some good things (I like how he is handling the young pitchers and said so in a thread a year ago). He does some bad things (Phillips at clean-up against rightys re-defines a bad thing, particularly on an already offensively challenged ballclub).

I absolutely agree with this statement.


And why do you assume, lolllipop, and whoever else, that because someone might suggest that the bad thing is correctable, that it is emblematic of "dusty hate". Dusty has all sorts of strengths. But one of his strengths (his loyalty) is also, I think, one of his weaknesses.

I reject the implication that a discussion of Dusty's style denotes "hatred", and resent the broad brush that is brought to such discussions by some posters. Strawmen all over the place.

Just in one page on this thread, the following were ways to describe Baker and his decisions:
"Absolutely ridiculous."
"Not starting Rosales at third in favor of Hairston reeks of FO tampering. Got to justify that ridiculous contract since it became the Reds' No. 1 priority over the winter. So what if we don't score any runs? "
"Not only having JHJ start over Rosales nearly criminal, but Dusty's argument about him 'not being a taker' is just absolute bull crap."
"...a lot of us know the entire team better than you do."
"Dusty has said some of the stupidest things I have ever heard, but I struggled it through this article. Wow, I can't honestly believe this guy is a manager of anything, let alone a professional sports team. "
"Dusty is just depressing."
"After reading some of this I really hate Baker "

That's eight of fifteen posts.

Dusty hate? Strawman? Nope, obviously not.

westofyou
05-05-2009, 06:11 PM
"Dusty has said some of the stupidest things I have ever heard, but I struggled it through this article. Wow, I can't honestly believe this guy is a manager of anything, let alone a professional sports team. "

The man has been managing for the last 16 years, he's certainly not Don Zimmer or even John McNamara bad IMO and his greatest value is as a manager of players not the game. We can all try and manage the game along with him, but we'll never be able to match him in managing grown ups playing a kids game and getting paid insane amounts of jack for it.

And for that I'll be ever in awe of Dusty and any other manager who doesn't end up like Bob Boone, Ray Knight or Dave Miley in the MLB managing world.

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2009, 06:14 PM
I absolutely agree with this statement.



Just in one page on this thread, the following were ways to describe Baker and his decisions:
"Absolutely ridiculous."
"Not starting Rosales at third in favor of Hairston reeks of FO tampering. Got to justify that ridiculous contract since it became the Reds' No. 1 priority over the winter. So what if we don't score any runs? "
"Not only having JHJ start over Rosales nearly criminal, but Dusty's argument about him 'not being a taker' is just absolute bull crap."
"...a lot of us know the entire team better than you do."
"Dusty has said some of the stupidest things I have ever heard, but I struggled it through this article. Wow, I can't honestly believe this guy is a manager of anything, let alone a professional sports team. "
"Dusty is just depressing."
"After reading some of this I really hate Baker "

That's eight of fifteen posts.

Dusty hate? Strawman? Nope, obviously not.

It's called aggravation. I don't hate my Brother and Sister but sometimes they aggravate me and I let 'em know about it. Nothing wrong with it IMO.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 06:23 PM
Gonzalez update
Posted by JohnFay at 5/5/2009 6:12 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

An examination by Dr. Tim Kremchek confirmed that Alex Gonzalez has an oblique strain. He got a cortisone injection. He'll be evaluated again tomorrow.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a038f8419-4e17-4ce5-af4a-4da65a9d0f85&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Great, it appears the Reds will play a man short for a couple days.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 06:29 PM
Jack McKeon: still wants to manage
By Hal McCoy | Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 05:25 PM

It was an unexpected pleasure, a royal treat with a smoky environment.

Former Cincinnati Reds manager Jack McKeon, now Special Assistant to the Owner (not the GM, the OWNER - Jeff Loria), was on the field before Tuesday’s game. When he spotted me, we immediately retreated to a far corner of the Florida Marlins dugout.

McKeon lit up a cigar and handed me one. “We can smoke here?” I asked. “I’m the special assistant to the owner, I can do what I what to do,” he said.

He was right. Security people walked past and said nothing. Marlins players and coaches walked by and said nothing.

So we puffed and reminisced. McKeon is the last manager with a winning record in Cincinnati (2000) and the last to come close to the playoffs (1999), when the Reds lost a one-game playoff game to the New York Mets for the National League wild card.

“From what I’ve seen, my record is in jeopardy,” said McKeon. “That’s some pretty good pitching the Reds have.”

When McKeon managed, we used to smoke cigars in his Riverfront Stadium office and he’d say, “Keep puffing. General manager Jim Bowden hates cigar smoke and won’t come in here while we’re smoking.” So we puffed and puffed and puffed and Bowden stayed away.

In my humble opinion and, yes, I’m prejudiced: Jack McKeon belongs in the Hall of Fame. He is the only manager in history to win 1,000 games as a minor-league manager and 1,000 games as a major-league manager.

And everywhere he went, he turned teams from losers into winners — San Diego, Cincinnati, Florida. And even though he is in his late 70’s, he remains trim and sharp and alert and he wants to manage in the majors again.

He should.

FUNNy story. McKeon ALWAYS has a lit cigar when he is outside. When the Reds were on the road, he went to mass every day, no matter where we were. One time in Milwaukee, he approached a church with a newly lit cigar he didn’t want to discard. So he put it on a window ledge outside the door so he could retrieve it after mass.

When he emerged, the cigar was gone. He looked everywhere. No cigar. Then he walked across the street and sitting on a park bench was a bedraggled street person, contentedly puffing on an expensive cigar.

Another time, also in Milwaukee, McKeon was smoking in his room and set off the smoke detector, which set off the fire alarm. Because it was a hotel, half the Milwaukee fire department showed up. McKeon, still puffing his cigar, was running up and down the hallways asking, “What happened? What’s going on?”

Oh, he KNEW what was going on.

ADAM ROSALES was given a reprieve Wednesday. He wasn’t supposed to play and Jerry Hairston Jr. was supposed to play third base. But when Alex Gonzalez hurt his left oblique Tuesday and returned to Cincinnati, manager Dusty Baker shuffled the deck again and put Hairston at shortstop and put Rosales back at third.

Rosales is happy with the second chance. In the 11th inning of Monday’s 3-2 loss in 14 innings to the Marlins, Rosales came to bat with two on and two out. He struck out on three pitches, flailing at all three and the last two were out of the strike zone.

“I came out of my zone,” said Rosales. “I wanted to do something so much that in the last half of that game I completely came out of my zone. You just have to stay within yourself. If you don’t, that’s when you get in trouble. You stay in your zone and the pitcher is in trouble.”

About getting a reprieve Tuesday, Rosales said, “I read a book by Mike Schmidt once and he said, ‘When I have a bad game, I can’t wait to get back on the field the next day.’ That’s me.”

Some thought that Florida’s Hanley Ramirez slid way out of the basepath to disrupt shortstop Paul Janish’s throw to first in the 14th inning. Janish had to double-pump his throw, waiting for pitcher Daniel Ray Herrera to cover first, then he said, “I babied the throw a little bit.” It hit the dirt and skipped past Herrera as the winning run scored.

Did Ramirez do something wrong?

“If you can do it and get away with it, do it,” said manager Dusty Baker. “That’s how you play the game. Everybody wants you to play the game softly and win. I believe in hard baseball, not dirty baseball.”

Janish said he hadn’t looked at the tape, but he saw nothing dirty or illegal about Ramirez’s slide.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2009, 06:35 PM
Some thought that Florida’s Hanley Ramirez slid way out of the basepath to disrupt shortstop Paul Janish’s throw to first in the 14th inning. Janish had to double-pump his throw, waiting for pitcher Daniel Ray Herrera to cover first, then he said, “I babied the throw a little bit.” It hit the dirt and skipped past Herrera as the winning run scored.

Did Ramirez do something wrong?

“If you can do it and get away with it, do it,” said manager Dusty Baker. “That’s how you play the game. Everybody wants you to play the game softly and win. I believe in hard baseball, not dirty baseball.”

Janish said he hadn’t looked at the tape, but he saw nothing dirty or illegal about Ramirez’s slide.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

As Janish thought to himself "as long as he doesn't mind when I dump him on his rump"! "Or more likely one of my teammates since I am not likely to get the chance".

Boss-Hog
05-05-2009, 06:36 PM
I have no problems with this thread being used for its purpose as stated in the subject ("Miscellaneous Reds updates") but some of the discussion from the past few pages clearly belongs in other threads.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 10:08 PM
Weathers closing in on pitching milestone
By Charles Nobles / Special to MLB.com

05/05/09 6:25 PM ET

MIAMI -- The next time David Weathers pitches in a game for the Reds, his name will be linked with that of the immortal Cy Young in baseball lore. Weathers' 906th appearance in a Major League game will tie Young for 19th place on the all-time list.

Even Weathers found that somewhat improbable as several media quizzed him Tuesday about his newfound fame.

"Yeah, it's weird," he said of having his name attached to that of Young, a Hall of Famer who has an award in his name given to the best pitcher in each league every season.

Young won 511 games, the most in Major League history. Weathers has 69. "I got a better chance of catching Nolan Ryan in strikeouts," the right-hander said with a grin of Ryan, baseball's career strikeout leader.

Weathers, who will be 40 on Sept. 25, realizes this is simply a recognition of his longevity in the game. He appeared in his first Major League game in 1991, 19 seasons ago and has played for seven Major League teams.

Amazingly during all those times, through the highs and the lows, whether starting and relieving, he doesn't recall ever having any significant arm trouble.

"Lot of head trouble, though," he said, smiling.

His days as a starter effectively ended in 1997, except for two cameos in 2004 with Florida, and he really picked up momentum as a reliever since he was traded to Cincinnati five seasons ago.

He came into this season averaging 70.5 appearances a season in his first four years as a Red. And he's appeared in nine games this season heading into Tuesday night's series finale against the Marlins.

From what the Reds have seen of him this season, he doesn't appear to be slowing down. In eight innings over nine games, he has yet to allow a run. He's yielded three hits and three walks.

"I work hard every time to stay in shape, do a lot of things to keep my arm healthy, but I'll tell you, I've been tremendously blessed," he said. "I don't know any other way of putting it. I'm sure there's a lot of guys who've done a lot more than me to keep their arm in shape and had surgery after surgery. So a lot of it is the Good Lord has just blessed me."

Weathers said a lot of players are tempted to retire after a significant career, tired of the grind and all the physical demands that playing entails, and drawn by the lure of having more time with their families.

"All these years later, here I still am," he said.

Reds manager Dusty Baker said Weathers is an example for the team's younger pitchers on how to craft a Major League career.

"He's about control, movement and savvy," Baker said. "And when the day comes that he's finished, nobody has to tell him, because he knows when he has no gas left in his tank."

After a short pause, Baker added, "Right now, he's got quite a bit of gas in that tank."

Even with the self-deprecating jokes Tuesday, one could tell Weathers appreciated the name association with Cy Young. It's one benefit of his longevity that he didn't expect.

"I'm not one of these guys to say, 'I'm humbled,'" he said. "I've always been humbled being able to put a [Major League] uniform on. Being from a small town, I've always been appreciative of my good fortune. But I think something like this shows me that longevity still counts for something."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090505&content_id=4574308&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Good win, but can the Reds bring road show home?
Posted by JohnFay at 5/5/2009 10:46 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

If Monday night's loss was the toughest of the year for the Reds, as Dusty Baker said, Tuesday's victory might have been the best all-around win of the year.

Edinson Volquez pitched eight shutout innings to run his scoreless streak to 16 1/3 innings. He's now allowed a total of five hits in the last 21 innings.

"He's not overthrowing," Baker said. "His velocity is down some. But his location is better. When they know you can throw strikes, they swing at that change-up."

Brandon Phillips had his biggest night of the year: 3-for-5, 6 RBI, a 3-run home to ice it. He took advantage of Joey Votto getting on-base five times in five plate appearances. Votto's on-base is .470 now. Phillips' home run came after the Marlins walked Votto with two outs and a runner on second in the seventh.

"It makes you think sometimes when they walk a guy in front of you," Phillips said. "The funny thing about it everybody pays attention to average. Maybe they walked me because of right-on-right or maybe because my batting average is lower than Joey's. I would have done the same thing. But you've got to realize I'm a good hitter. I try to go out there and battle. I tried to show them don't do it again, please."

The Willy Taveras to Jerry Hairston to Ramon Hernandez play in fourth to nail John Baker at the plate was big. It a 2-0 game at the time.

"That's the way you win," Baker said. "We used all our weapons."

The Reds continued to be the masters of getting out of town with a win. They are 6-1 on get-away day -- the last game of handstand or the last game of a road series. They bounced back from Monday's 3-2, 14-inning loss to finish the short road trip 3-2.

"If you're going to be a good team, you've got to bounce back from tough losses," Baker said.

But the Reds need to follow it up with a good homestand. They are 4-7 at home. The stand starts with the first of two with Milwaukee tommorow night, then it's a three-game series with the first place St. Louis Cardinals.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a1761e36c-00a9-4e32-a1cc-bd98f3cd330d&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 11:22 PM
From Lance McAlister's blog:

Go Willy, go!
So much for spring training speculation that Willy Taveras could steal 100 bases this year.
He has five steals in six tries....on pace for 32sb's for the year.
Last night....8th inning...tie game...he reaches first with one out. He didn't attempt to steal with Dickerson batting. Dickerson took two strikes and there were two pick off attempts before Dickerson singled. The Reds did not score in the inning.
Emailer Eric sent me this:
"Taveras has reached based 34 times this season. Of those 34 times on base, only 7 times was there a runner immediately in front of him (second if he was on first, third if he was on second). So he has been on base 27 times with no one in front of him....and attempted to steal just six times."
So he is attempting a steal every 4.5 times on base with nobody in front of him.
I'd love to see the % of times Taveras attempted a steal, with nobody on base in front of him prior to this season.

Stat of the day
From Mark Wagner
Taveras - SB Attempts / Times on First, % of steal att. (2005 - 2009 w/2nd base open)
2005............. 44............. 155.............. 0.2839
2006 .............42............ .133.............. 0.3158
2007............. 42.............. 81............... 0.5185
2008............. 55.............. 94............... 0.5851
2009.............. 6............... 29............... 0.2069

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http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 11:44 PM
Edinson Volquez: the electric slide
By Hal McCoy | Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:50 PM

This Cincinnati Reds team is going to gladden your heart on one night and break your heart on the next. It’s like the ol’ box of chocolates: you never know what you’re going to get. If it’s me and there’s a cherry in it, I don’t want it.

And it’s going to be that way all year long. Sensationally good one night and sensationally bad the next. They lose in 14 innings Monday by 3-2 and leave enough baserunners to populate a small Polynesian island. Then they come back the next night with a stunning pitching performance by Electric Volquez. He’s electric when he plugs in and doesn’t walk people, but when he leaves the plug out of the socket he pitches are all over the place.

He was plugged in Tuesday in Miami and the Reds played as constructed.

On a hot muggy night in south Florida, the Reds displayed what manager Dusty Baker and general manager Walt Jocketty talked about all winter as the team’s driving mechanism.

It has nothing to do with a Big Red Machine and everything to do with a Little Red Wagon.

And here is where it came from during a 7-0 victory over the Florida Marlins.

Pitching: Edinson Volquez.

Manufactured runs: Two stole bases set up the first two runs.

Defense: Chris Dickerson, Jerry Hairston Jr. and Ramon Hernandez made textbook defensive plays.

After all these components constructed a 4-0 lead, then Brandon Phillips applied the exclamation point in the seventh with a three-run home run, giving him six RBIs.

“That’s the way you win,” said Baker. “Then throw in a long ball to break the game open.”

Joey Votto was on base five times and Phillips drove him home twice, plus they walked Votto intentionally in front of Phillips before his home run.

“It makes you think when they walk a guy in front of you,” said Phillips. “I would have done that same thing, but I wanted to show them, ‘Don’t do that again, please.’ It opened up my eyes and I said, ‘Wow.’”

Of Phillips big night, Baker said, “We’ve been waiting on Brandon and he’s been waiting on Brandon.”

Phillips knows that the way they won Tuesday is the way the team is supposed to win and said, “There is a reason this team is put together ther way it is. We have speed, defense and guys who can put the ball in play.”

Volquez did his part with quickness and dominating force — eight innings, no runs, three hits, four walks, seven strikeouts, victory No. 4. He is working on a string of 16 1/3 straight scoreless innings and has given up five hits.

And Reds pitchers have four shutouts in the last six games and Phillips said, “I believe in our rotation and our pitchers. We have future All-Stars.”

Florida pitching coach Mark Wiley wasn’t impressed, he was overwhelmed.

“This guy is like Pedro Martinez in those couple of years when he was outstanding and you couldn’t touch him,” said Wiley. “He made career .300 hitgters look like they’d never swung a bat before and this guy did that tonight against us.”

Volquez says he has backed off on his fastball enough to make certain he throws strikes to cut down walks.

“I’m just trying to go deeper in games and go deeper into games,” said Volquez. “I’m just trying to be more aggressive in the zone — first pitches for strikes, attack the hitter.”

And he believes in his peers and said, “We have one of the best rotation in the league and if we stay together we’ll keep winning.”

Offensively, it began in the first inning when Hairston walked, stole second and scored on a single by Votto.

It surfaced again in the third with another walk, this one to Votto, who also stole second and continued to third on a throwing error, from where he scored on a Brandon Phillips single.

Defensively, left fielder Dickerson made a picture book diving catch of a line drive in the second. And with John Baker on first in the fourth, Hanley Ramirez doubled to deep left center. Baker tried to score, but was out when Hairston took center fielder Willy Taveras’ relay throw and fired home, where Hernandez made a diving tag.

More smallball surfaced for the Reds in the fifth — single by Taveras, infield hit by Hairston, walked to Votto and a two-run single by Phillips.

And the Reds did their damage with no extra base hits against Marlins righthander Chris Volstad, owner of a 2-0 record and a 2.67 ERA when festivities began.

It enabled the Reds to return home with a 3-2 road trip for a five-game homestand — two against Milwaukee beginning tonight and three this weekend against division-leading St. Louis.

“Another getaway win (the Reds are 5-1 on days they are leaving town) and another winning road trip,” said Baker. “This win united us. If you are going to be a good team you have to bounce back from tough losses (3-2 in 14 innings Tuesday) and certainly Tuesday was a tough loss. But you wouldn’t know it by the way the guys played tonight.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2009/05/05/edinson_volquez_the_electric_s.html

Topcat
05-06-2009, 01:02 AM
How Bout those Reds!:beerme:

SirFelixCat
05-06-2009, 02:38 AM
Tonight was about as perfect a game as you could hope for with this team. I also noted (as someone mentioned in another thread) that the Reds were MUCH more aggressive on the basepaths tonight. So, obviously, Dusty did realize that was lacking last night. Props to him and the team. Just a top-to-bottom great performance all the way around!


And my God is this pitching scary good. I really can't remember a Reds team w/ pitching like this.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 02:19 PM
From Lance's blog:

Stat of the day
Mark Wagner
Most caree games with 6+ RBI, Reds, since 1954
Johnny Bench 5
Brandon Phillips 3
Frank Robinson 3
Dave Parker 3
Gus Bell 3

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 02:21 PM
Also from Lance's blog:

Another great stat
Buster Olney, ESPN
Edinson Volquez threw 65 pitches at 90-plus mph. Only eight were put in play (12 more were fouled off) and only one of them went for a hit.

More stats
Notes below courtesy of Elias Sports Bureau
***For only the third time in the live-ball era, the Redlegs have posted 4 team shutouts over a 6-game span...the starting pitchers in those shutouts were Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Cueto and Volquez again...starters in the previous 2 instances were Elmer Riddle, Johnny Vander Meer, Joe Beggs and Vander Meer in 1943, followed in 1970 by Gary Nolan, Jim McGlothlin, Jim Merritt and Nolan.
**In last night's 7-0 win at Fla, Brandon Phillips produced a career-high 6rbi for the third time...during the expansion era, only 3 other starting second basemen had at least three 6-RBI games: Jeff Kent (7), Bret Boone (5) and Ryne Sandberg (3).

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 02:49 PM
From Fay's blog. This is from Rob Butcher:


SS Alex Gonzalez left Monday's game at Fla after the 10th inning with a strained left oblique muscle...he received a cortisone shot here yesterday and will be evaluated again when he arrives at the ballpark today...3B Edwin Encarnacion (chip fracture, left wrist) will have his cast removed today...he will be examined and then fitted with a removable splint.


Notes below courtesy of Elias Sports Bureau… For only the third time in the live-ball era, the Redlegs have posted 4 team shutouts over a 6-game span...the starting pitchers in those shutouts were Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Cueto and Volquez again...starters in the previous 2 instances were Elmer Riddle, Johnny Vander Meer, Joe Beggs and Vander Meer in 1943, followed in 1970 by Gary Nolan, Jim McGlothlin, Jim Merritt and Nolan. In last night's 7-0 win at Fla, Brandon Phillips produced a career-high 6rbi for the third time...during the expansion era, only 3 other starting second basemen had at least three 6-RBI games: Jeff Kent (7), Bret Boone (5) and Ryne Sandberg (3).

Mario-Rijo
05-06-2009, 02:50 PM
Also from Lance's blog:

Another great stat
Buster Olney, ESPN
Edinson Volquez threw 65 pitches at 90-plus mph. Only eight were put in play (12 more were fouled off) and only one of them went for a hit.

More stats
Notes below courtesy of Elias Sports Bureau
***For only the third time in the live-ball era, the Redlegs have posted 4 team shutouts over a 6-game span...the starting pitchers in those shutouts were Edinson Volquez, Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Cueto and Volquez again...starters in the previous 2 instances were Elmer Riddle, Johnny Vander Meer, Joe Beggs and Vander Meer in 1943, followed in 1970 by Gary Nolan, Jim McGlothlin, Jim Merritt and Nolan.
**In last night's 7-0 win at Fla, Brandon Phillips produced a career-high 6rbi for the third time...during the expansion era, only 3 other starting second basemen had at least three 6-RBI games: Jeff Kent (7), Bret Boone (5) and Ryne Sandberg (3).

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

I think VanDer Meer went about 5 or 6 innings deep into that 3rd game without a run (or a hit for that matter) as well IIRC.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 05:41 PM
News you can use:

SS Alex Gonzalez (strained left oblique) was re-examined on Wednesday. The Reds are holding off putting Gonzalez on the DL for now.

"He's better today than he was yesterday," manager Dusty Baker said. "At this point, if he keeps improving over the next couple of days, we might not have to DL him. I know [going on the DL] is not what he would like after being on the DL a year and a half. But we'll get to a point when we'll have to make a decision on his progress."

If Gonzalez does go on the DL in a few days, it can be made retroactive to Tuesday if he doesn't appear in a game.

3B Edwin Encarnacion (small chip fracture, left wrist) had his cast removed today. He was placed in a removeable splint that he'll likely wear for at least one week.

More on the pitching: The Reds' 3.61 team ERA is best in the National League. The last time this team finished a season leading in ERA was 1940.

The Reds reached six shutouts last night in their 26th game, their fastest to six shutouts since the 1914 Reds threw their sixth shutout in their 25th game. They had six shutouts during all of the 2008 season.

"I am just trying to stay the heck away," pitching coach Dick Pole said. "They're having fun right now and it's not up to me to cramp their style. Let them keep enjoying what's going on."

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

It looks like the Reds are still playing a man short. :rolleyes: Hopefully we don't have any extra inning games. Just put him on the DL already.

Degenerate39
05-06-2009, 05:52 PM
Why can't the Reds just put him on the DL and bring up Gomes? What's the sense of playing a man short when they'll eventually put on him the DL anyway..

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 06:30 PM
"I am just trying to stay the heck away," pitching coach Dick Pole said. "They're having fun right now and it's not up to me to cramp their style. Let them keep enjoying what's going on."

While I'm far from a fan of Dick Pole's....He's spot on right there. That's EXACTLY what a pitching coach should do when they're grooving like they are. Nice to see he's with the program.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2009, 06:11 PM
Notes: Nix in, Votto sick, Gonzo update
Posted by JohnFay at 5/7/2009 5:24 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Laynce Nix was in the lineup in left field Thursday. It sounds like it could be a lasting change.

“I talked to (Chris) Dickerson,” Dusty Baker said. “I said, ‘hey man, you’ve got to go back to work. Nix is going good right now.’ It’s about winning ballgames. I’m not saying it’s all his fault. But Nix is doing his thing.”

Nix is hitting .353 overall. He ranks second on the club with six doubles in just 34 at-bats. Thursday’s start was his fifth overall and third in the left. Dickerson, who’s started 15 games, is hitting .217. with 21 strikeouts in 60 at-bats.

VOTTO OUT: Joey Votto was a late scratch from the lineup. He’s ill. It’s first game he hasn’t started. Ramon Hernandez started at first base.

GONZALEZ UPDATE: Alex Gonzalez (strained oblique) still thinks he can avoid the disabled list.

“I feel better today,” he said. “I’ll see the doctor tomorrow.”

He doesn’t want to go on the DL.

“No mas,” he said. “I had enough of that last year.”

Gonzalez hopes to play by this weekend.

“That’s ambitious,” Baker said. “He probably won’t take any swings until Saturday.”

“Yeah, with the way he’s progressing,” Baker said. “But there’s a few test he has to pass. No. 1 is hitting.”

RECOVERY TIME: The Reds need a long outing tonight from Micah Owings to get their bullpen back on track after relievers pitched seven innings Wednesday.

“We’ve got to our pitching back on back,” Baker said. “We’ve got seven big games coming up. I hope that’s our last ugly game for a while. Next time, somebody tells me we’re No. 1 in pitching. I’m tell them I don’t want to hear it.”

JANISH OK: Paul Janish wasn’t as sore as he expected after pitching the ninth.

“The pitchers tell me I’ll be sorer tomorrow,” he said.

“I was worried about that,” Baker said. “I remember that’s how Jose Canseco got hurt. I told Paulie just throw fastballs and changeups. He’s a smart kid. He said he’ll do whatever we want. He’s my third catcher as well.”

Janish will have a different plan if he pitches again.

“Hindsight is 20-20,” he said. “But I probably should have used the changeup more.”

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ac2faf152-946f-420a-9458-2b2352711c88&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Homer Bailey
05-07-2009, 06:36 PM
If I know one thing, it's that we're gonna need Votto this weekend.

Homer Bailey
05-07-2009, 06:37 PM
Phillips is also out tonight.

Homer Bailey
05-07-2009, 06:39 PM
With Phillips, Gonzo, and Votto out tonight, not a single player on the Reds roster besides the ones starting in the infield has played a single inning in the infield in their career. Please put Gonzo on the DL and bring someone up. Anyone.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2009, 11:08 PM
Gonzalez confident he'll return soon
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

05/07/09 7:52 PM ET

CINCINNATI -- Injured Reds shortstop Alex Gonzalez is determined and confident that a trip to the disabled list will not be necessary.

Gonzalez tested his strained left oblique muscle by playing catch on Thursday. On Friday, he hoped to do some light hitting.

"No mas. I'm tired of it from last year," Gonzalez said of the DL, where he was for all of 2008 with a knee injury. "I will feel ready soon, maybe Saturday or Sunday. I do not want to go to the DL. Every day, I feel a lot better. Today, I feel a lot better than yesterday. I can move it a lot easier."

Gonzalez hasn't played since straining his oblique on Monday while swinging the bat in the ninth inning of a game vs. the Marlins. He was held out from all baseball activity on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Although Gonzalez was optimistic, Reds manager Dusty Baker thought his shortstop's timetable was a little ambitious.

"It's probably more realistic [he will return] on the road, especially after the off-day," Baker said.

Beginning with Friday, the Reds have six more games before the next off-day. They will host the Cardinals for three games before heading to Arizona for a three-game series against the Diamondbacks. Following next Thursday's day off is a four-game series at San Diego.

If Gonzalez had to go on the 15-day DL, it could be made retroactive to Tuesday if he doesn't get into a game. Baker seemed cautiously optimistic that the DL wouldn't be needed.

"The way he's progressing, yeah," Baker said. "But there are things he has to do and tests he has to pass. No. 1 is hitting."

In 21 games this season, Gonzalez is batting .176 with two home runs and nine RBIs.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090507&content_id=4612724&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Will M
05-07-2009, 11:20 PM
Notes: Nix in, Votto sick, Gonzo update
Posted by JohnFay at 5/7/2009 5:24 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Laynce Nix was in the lineup in left field Thursday. It sounds like it could be a lasting change.

“I talked to (Chris) Dickerson,” Dusty Baker said. “I said, ‘hey man, you’ve got to go back to work. Nix is going good right now.’ It’s about winning ballgames. I’m not saying it’s all his fault. But Nix is doing his thing.”

Nix is hitting .353 overall. He ranks second on the club with six doubles in just 34 at-bats. Thursday’s start was his fifth overall and third in the left. Dickerson, who’s started 15 games, is hitting .217. with 21 strikeouts in 60 at-bats.

VOTTO OUT: Joey Votto was a late scratch from the lineup. He’s ill. It’s first game he hasn’t started. Ramon Hernandez started at first base.

GONZALEZ UPDATE: Alex Gonzalez (strained oblique) still thinks he can avoid the disabled list.

“I feel better today,” he said. “I’ll see the doctor tomorrow.”

He doesn’t want to go on the DL.

“No mas,” he said. “I had enough of that last year.”

Gonzalez hopes to play by this weekend.

“That’s ambitious,” Baker said. “He probably won’t take any swings until Saturday.”

“Yeah, with the way he’s progressing,” Baker said. “But there’s a few test he has to pass. No. 1 is hitting.”

RECOVERY TIME: The Reds need a long outing tonight from Micah Owings to get their bullpen back on track after relievers pitched seven innings Wednesday.

“We’ve got to our pitching back on back,” Baker said. “We’ve got seven big games coming up. I hope that’s our last ugly game for a while. Next time, somebody tells me we’re No. 1 in pitching. I’m tell them I don’t want to hear it.”

JANISH OK: Paul Janish wasn’t as sore as he expected after pitching the ninth.

“The pitchers tell me I’ll be sorer tomorrow,” he said.

“I was worried about that,” Baker said. “I remember that’s how Jose Canseco got hurt. I told Paulie just throw fastballs and changeups. He’s a smart kid. He said he’ll do whatever we want. He’s my third catcher as well.”

Janish will have a different plan if he pitches again.

“Hindsight is 20-20,” he said. “But I probably should have used the changeup more.”

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ac2faf152-946f-420a-9458-2b2352711c88&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Nice. Nix deserves playing time based on his play so far this year.
He had a another good game tonight.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2009, 11:27 PM
I don't understand why they don't just put Gonzalez on the DL. Dusty says he probably won't be available until they go on the road again. That means they are going into a three game series against the division leading Cardinals playing a man short.

I'm glad to hear that Nix will be getting more playing time. He deserves it.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2009, 11:40 PM
I was wrong. It appears they don't expect Gonzalez to be available until next Friday. They've got to put him on the DL then, right?


Differing opinions

Alex Gonzalez, he of the sore left side muscle, played catch before Thursday’s game and planned to do some light hitting today, “Then I hope to play Saturday or Sunday.”

Baker called Gonzalez’s game plan premature and optimistic and said, “It’s more likely he won’t be back until after the off day between Arizona and San Diego (Thursday).”

Said Gonzalez, "I'm getting better every day and feel a whole lot better today than I did yesterday. I can move much better. I’m just tired of it (being injured and the disabled list). Last year (he missed all season) was just too much."


http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/shortstop-janish-enjoyed-outing-on-mound-112110.html

Razor Shines
05-08-2009, 01:32 AM
I was wrong. It appears they don't expect Gonzalez to be available until next Friday. They've got to put him on the DL then, right?



http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/cincinnati-reds/shortstop-janish-enjoyed-outing-on-mound-112110.html

I would think. Otherwise they're saying they would rather go 10 days a man down rather than Gonzo be on the DL for 5 more days than they expect him to be back.

WVRedsFan
05-08-2009, 01:36 AM
I was wrong. It appears they don't expect Gonzalez to be available until next Friday. They've got to put him on the DL then, right?

Not necessarily. They seem to value Gonzo more than most everyone else. I read an article today that said they were "trying to avoid" putting Gonzalez on the DL. What gives? He's hurt and now we are faced with a short bench. Makes no sense whatsoever. Is it the contract that Krivsky gave him ($$$$) that makes them "avoid?"

Ron Madden
05-08-2009, 04:23 AM
Makes no sense at all not to go ahead and DL Gonzo. :confused:

Unless there might be some kind of trade involving minor league IFers in the works.

HokieRed
05-08-2009, 08:31 AM
Looks to me like the problem with DLing Gonzo is basically there's nobody to bring without adding to the 40 man roster. The options are Francisco and Alonso, too early, Sutton, just coming off mono and with about a dozen at bats at L'ville, or Castillo, the Bats backup catcher. We're at 39 active, by my count, with EE on the DL. To add a guy means going to 40 and needing to drop somebody when EE comes off. If we see anybody in Cinti, it'll probably be Castillo.

lollipopcurve
05-08-2009, 08:54 AM
Looks to me like the problem with DLing Gonzo is basically there's nobody to bring without adding to the 40 man roster. The options are Francisco and Alonso, too early, Sutton, just coming off mono and with about a dozen at bats at L'ville, or Castillo, the Bats backup catcher. We're at 39 active, by my count, with EE on the DL. To add a guy means going to 40 and needing to drop somebody when EE comes off. If we see anybody in Cinti, it'll probably be Castillo.

They need to bring up a lefty bat, so, yeah, Castillo makes sense. But I have the feeling they're considering Sutton. They've had him at 2B and 3B, hitting high in the order, and he's produced pretty well. I would not be surprised to see him get the call, though it does seem unusual given how few ABs he's had this year.

Agree with all who've expressed disbelief at the team's willingness to play the Cards with a short bench. What's the point? So you don't have to play the Padres without Gonzo next week? Ridiculous.

HokieRed
05-08-2009, 09:26 AM
Occurs to me that maybe the flu is involved; that they're not sure yet whether to bring Castillo or Sutton. Might depend on who is readier to go: Votto or Phillips. If Votto can't play, for instance, that means Ramon to 1b and you pretty much have to go get Castillo to be the 25th guy. If Phillips can't play, you might want Sutton for a little more bat, though I can't help but think they've got to be very concerned that Sutton's barely gotten his feet wet at L'ville. The reasoning may just be that if the last guy is going to be Castillo and he's just going to sit, it's as good to have Gonzo.

OnBaseMachine
05-08-2009, 12:44 PM
Interesting
From USA Today Sports Weekly
Most quality starts (6 innings or more pitched, allowing 3 or fewer runs)....since the start of the 2005 season.
1. Johan Santana 101
2. Danny Haren 98
3. Roy Oswalt 96
4. Jake Peavy 93
5. Brandon Webb 91
5. Andy Pettite 91
7. CC Sabathia 86
7. Bronson Arroyo 86
7. Derrick Lowe 86
18. Aaron Harang 75
Arroyo has more than: Zambrano 84, Buehrle 84, Halladay 81, Lackey 81, Garland 81, Beckett 77, Zito 77

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

osuceltic
05-08-2009, 12:55 PM
Interesting
From USA Today Sports Weekly
Most quality starts (6 innings or more pitched, allowing 3 or fewer runs)....since the start of the 2005 season.
1. Johan Santana 101
2. Danny Haren 98
3. Roy Oswalt 96
4. Jake Peavy 93
5. Brandon Webb 91
5. Andy Pettite 91
7. CC Sabathia 86
7. Bronson Arroyo 86
7. Derrick Lowe 86
18. Aaron Harang 75
Arroyo has more than: Zambrano 84, Buehrle 84, Halladay 81, Lackey 81, Garland 81, Beckett 77, Zito 77

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

Yep. He's criminally underrated on this board.

Scrap Irony
05-08-2009, 01:02 PM
He keeps you in games. There's something to be said for that type of value. If this Cincinnati team were better offensively, he would have a legitimate chance to win 20. As is, he'll be lucky to win 15. (Not that wins matter, as far as pitching goes.)

He is a solid #3 starter in today's game.

But he's paid like a #2.

LincolnparkRed
05-08-2009, 01:05 PM
Yep. He's criminally underrated on this board.

Those 86 QS have turned onto only 56 wins however. That may be the rub, he pitches well but the Reds can't back him up. Harang had 51 wins.

princeton
05-08-2009, 01:35 PM
He is a solid #3 starter in today's game.

by definition, Arroyo's a number 4 on a playoff team: he has a decent chance to win a big game but if he's due to pitch and you're about to drop the series, you think hard about bringing back your ace on short rest

Harang's always been a 2 or a very strong 3. Cueto and Volquez are the interesting ones.

Falls City Beer
05-08-2009, 02:02 PM
Between 2005-2007, Arroyo had 101 starts, and a quality start in 65% of those starts. In 40 starts in 2008-2009, he's only throwing quality starts 52% of the time.

To be completely honest, though, QS is kind of the hot dog and relish of stats.

Reds Fanatic
05-08-2009, 02:10 PM
From Fay's blog:


Last night's win made Micah Owings 2-3 on the year. That means he is halfway to the win total that Reds got from the fifth spot in the rotation last year. Josh Fogg (2-7), Ramon Rameirez (1-1), Daryl Thompson (0-2), Homer Bailey (0-6) and Matt Belisle (1-4) combined to go 4-20 last year. The other four starters were 48-48, and that's with Aaron Harang going 6-17.

If Owings can go around .500, the Reds will be good shape to snap the string of losing seasons at eight.

The weekend series with the Cardinals will be a good test for the Reds. The pitching sets up perfectly for the Reds -- Johnny Cueto, Harang and Volquez -- and the offense has been better lately. The Cardinals have been playing great.

Dusty Baker said they won't know until this afternoon if Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips will be able to play.

"We hope so," Baker said. "I usually have a lineup made out. But I'm going to wait until they come in."

VR
05-08-2009, 02:42 PM
From Fay's blog:


Quote:
Last night's win made Micah Owings 2-3 on the year. That means he is halfway to the win total that Reds got from the fifth spot in the rotation last year. Josh Fogg (2-7), Ramon Rameirez (1-1), Daryl Thompson (0-2), Homer Bailey (0-6) and Matt Belisle (1-4) combined to go 4-20 last year. The other four starters were 48-48, and that's with Aaron Harang going 6-17.

If Owings can go around .500, the Reds will be good shape to snap the string of losing seasons at eight.

The weekend series with the Cardinals will be a good test for the Reds. The pitching sets up perfectly for the Reds -- Johnny Cueto, Harang and Volquez -- and the offense has been better lately. The Cardinals have been playing great.



This is a great observation. If they stay healthy, this rotation is almost guaranteed to go .500. I have really been impressed with the Hernandez/ Hanigan battery.....Hernandez especially seems to have taken charge w/ the pitching staff and evolved as a team leader.
Nix might really be the X factor for the offense. If he can be a .800-.850 Opser with solid defense....this pitching staff can succeed. Still counting on EE returning...but I continue to gain optimism.

OnBaseMachine
05-08-2009, 03:44 PM
Showdown time at Great American Ball Park
By Hal McCoy | Friday, May 8, 2009, 02:02 PM

I’m convinced that Delta checks it manifests to see if I’m on one of its flights and says, “Let’s mess with him again.”

My flight from Fort Lauderdale to Atlanta this week was a good one, until we landed. The pilot came on the intercom and said, “Good news, we’re here 20 minutes early.”

Forty-five minutes later, we’re still wandering the runways of Hartsfield/Atlanta International Airport. I’m convinced I saw every inch of every runway. We stopped and we started and we stopped and we started. Five times. Finally, we get into the gate area and the pilot comes on again and says, “Well, we’re within a few feet of the gate. But the bad news is that two aircraft are blocking our entrance.” That took another 15 minutes.

So, once again, after believing I had plenty of time to make my connection, I was dashing through hordes of people, going from Terminal B to Terminal A. When I got there I was just in time to hear, “You aircraft is now at the gate, but some maintenance has to be done.”

I settled into a chair and finished a book I was reading. I no longer get stressed about it. I expect it.

WHILE AIR TRAVEL is predictable these days, the Cincinnati Reds aren’t. And it is statement time with a three-game home series against the St. Louis Cardinals.

If the games were on the road, I’d say the Reds would win two of three. At home, I’m saying they lose two of three.

Just my guess. If the Reds sweep or get swept, don’t come back jabbing at me. Just my gut feeling. And here’s why.

They lose tonight. Johnny Cueto is 0-2 lifetime against the Cardinals in two starts last year with a 16.20 ERA. I figure tonight he’ll be pumped up, too pumped up, and wildness will creep back in. And Joel Pineiro (4-1, 3.24) probably will silence the Reds bats.

They lose Saturday, too. Aaron Harang probably will pitch a good one, but they won’t score runs against former Reds failure Kyle Lohse (3-1, 3.23).

They’ll win Sunday with Edinson Volquez, who seems to have finally determined he doesn’t have to strike out everybody and that first-pitch strikes are a good thing. Even though Adam Wainwright is 3-1 with a 4.08 ERA, the Reds should get their hits and runs against him.

All three St. Louis starters are righthanded and let’s see who Dusty Baker puts in left field - Laynce Nix or Chris Dickerson. It should be Nix, but what do I know?

And as of this post, tonight’s lineup hasn’t been determined. Will Brandon Phillips and Joey Votto be recovered enough from the flu to play. If not, I’d say the Reds are doomed - but I thought the same thing Thursday when they didn’t play and the Reds beat the Brewers, 6-5.

Should be a fun weekend, regardless.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

OnBaseMachine
05-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Phillips and Votto are still sick. That means the Reds will be playing three men short tonight against the division leaders. Better hope for a rain out.

OnBaseMachine
05-08-2009, 04:06 PM
Stat of the day
From Mark Wagner
Micah Owings is the only Reds pitcher to score a run on a wild pitch over the last 35 years.
1974 is as far back as this date base goes on the search.

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

CTA513
05-08-2009, 04:14 PM
Phillips and Votto are still sick. That means the Reds will be playing three men short tonight against the division leaders. Better hope for a rain out.

The Reds have no healthy back up infielders for the second straight game.

HeatherC1212
05-08-2009, 04:47 PM
The game tonight is probably going to be a rainout. :(

Homer Bailey
05-08-2009, 05:53 PM
The game tonight is probably going to be a rainout. :(

That's good Heather! Would much rather have Votto and BP healthy!

OnBaseMachine
05-08-2009, 06:04 PM
Playing with 22
Posted by JohnFay at 5/8/2009 5:04 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

If the Reds play tonight – I’ve heard various some of which make that sound unlikely – they’ll play with 22 players again.

Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips are still sick. Alex Gonzalez is still dealing with the strained oblique.

Gonzalez’s injury could very well put him on the disabled list. He hasn’t swung a bat since the injury. He’ll swing lightly tomorrow, if that doesn’t go well, he’ll likely be DLed.

The Reds talked about going ahead and making the move before tonight’s game.

“Well, we’re weighing our options, what our choices are of infielders,” Baker said. “That’s what it boils down to.”

The choice of infielders in the minors isn’t a long one. Wilkin Castillo and Drew Sutton are on the 40-man.

Sutton just got off the DL after a bout with mono. Castillo is hitting .196.

“You don’t like being short,” Baker said. “But you don’t what to put him on the DL, then he’s well in a week. That’s where the dilemma comes in.”

So the Reds will play severely shorthanded for at least one more game.

“I don’t know about severely,” Baker said. “But we’re short-handed. Brandon’s getting better. He’s better than Joey. Brandon looked like he was available to pinch-hit. He’ll probably be available to play tomorrow.”

Votto wasn’t going to arrive at ballpark until 6 p.m.

“They’re getting him an IV and all that,” Baker said. “He and Brandon were both in the infirmary in different rooms during the game. We’re working on them.”

As for Gonzalez, a decision will likely be made tomorrow or Sunday.

“He’s a little better,” Baker said. “The real test is when he swings again. We don’t want to swing too early and aggravate that thing while it’s in the process of healing.

“We’ll probably have to make a determination some time later this weekend when we see him swing. We’ll test it a little bit tomorrow. These things you don’t know exactly when to test it. You don’t want to aggravate it.”

“Sometimes only time can heal it. At least, if we end up putting him on the DL, it won’t be the full 15 days, as long as we don’t put him in a game. I’m doing everything I can not to put him a game.”

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a7c4209cd-2c6e-40e7-9a8a-1c61115e4bd7&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Reds Fanatic
05-08-2009, 06:25 PM
Sounds like Votto is in pretty bad shape. We may not even see him tomorrow. I don't understand at all how they are handling Gonzalez. He has already been out what like 4 or 5 days and with that injury there is probably an 80 to 90% chance he needs to be DL'd so it is just dumb to play short all these games when he will probably be put on the DL anyway.

OnBaseMachine
05-08-2009, 06:32 PM
That sucks about Votto. I'm going to the games on Saturday and Sunday and I was hoping to see at least one win. It'll be tough to win without Votto in there. Hopefully he improves a lot by tomorrow night.

HeatherC1212
05-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Don't be too down about seeing a win this weekend. They've been hanging tough the last two nights so anything can happen! ;)

Dusty just said in the post game interview that Brandon should be back tomorrow and that he hopes Joey is back as well. Brandon was apparently available to pinch hit tonight if necessary but I'm glad he got another full game off if it means he's back tomorrow night. Joey was a little behind Brandon as far as getting better but Dusty said Joey mentioned feeling much better tonight. I'm not going to be bummed out if Joey doesn't play (although that would suck for him to miss his own bobblehead night) because I'd rather him take his time getting healthy if it means we keep him healthy longer during the season. I hope he's back though because I love watching him play the game. :)

OnBaseMachine
05-08-2009, 11:58 PM
A tip on Cueto's troubles last year
Posted by JohnFay at 5/8/2009 11:05 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

Johnny Cueto revealed after that he was tipping his pitches last year.

"It was moving my glove and tipping pitchers," he said. "This year, I'm more consistent."

Cueto was talking through an interpreter. We'll try to find out more about this later.

But whatever Cueto's doing is working. He's 3-1 with a 1.59 ERA. He's given up 30 hits in 39 2/3 innings. He's walked 11 and struck out 32. He's walked a total of four in his last four starts.

His ERA is 0.80 in those starts.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a7753cf65-f5fa-4ddc-ac76-463d7d4ccbc2&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Homer Bailey
05-09-2009, 12:33 AM
I already pumped myself in the Cueto thread, but I see no reason not to do it again :-) (re: tipping pitches).

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68831

TheNext44
05-09-2009, 12:48 AM
I already pumped myself in the Cueto thread, but I see no reason not to do it again :-) (re: tipping pitches).

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68831

So you want a biscuit now?

Just kidding, nice catch. You should apply to be the Reds next pitching coach. :)

Homer Bailey
05-09-2009, 01:15 AM
So you want a biscuit now?

Just kidding, nice catch. You should apply to be the Reds next pitching coach. :)

I was actually hoping for a cookie! I'm just glad this problem got addressed. I sat there watching it happen last year, so I emailed every Reds source I had (radio, front office, etc.), in hopes that the coaching staff would also notice it. I'm not claiming to be the one that cured Johnny at all. I'm just glad that it was evident to others other than me that he was tipping his pitches.

Homer Bailey
05-09-2009, 05:35 PM
BP is back tonight.

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2009, 12:59 PM
I was just reading that Gonzalez still hasn't swung a bat yet. It sounds like he's still a few days from returning. I still don't understand why he hasn't been placed on the DL yet. Playing a man short really hurt the Reds yesterday. They sure could have used a bat like Gomes in the 10th inning yesterday...

Edit - nevermind. I just read in the DDN that Gonzalez started swinging a bat yesterday.

Reds Fanatic
05-11-2009, 07:56 PM
Some notes from Fay's blog tonight. Not having Gonzalez on the DL continues to be ridiculous. It has been a week and he has just started to swing a bat.


A couple of Reds tried to pull off a gag by posting a lineup with Votto fifth and Bruce third.

"They were trying to mess with Joey. They were messing with me," Dusty Baker said. "Joey acted like he was mad. It was all in fun. You got to have some fun. It's nice to be part of the group. They were talking about Wally Pipp and that kind of stuff. They don't even know who Wally Pipp is. . . When you're leading the league in hitting, you don't have much to worry about."

Votto, of course, pinch-hit yesterday and hit a home run.

"He told me felt pretty good," Baker said. "I don't think I've ever seen anyone -- except maybe Barry Bons -- come off the sick bed and hit a home run his first at-bat. (Votto's) stroke is such that he doesn't lose much with inactivity. His stroke is so short and compact."

Nothing new on Alex Gonzalez. He was going to swing the bat before the game.

Micah Owings' name came up before the game. I asked Baker if he'd consider using Owings in the field in an emergency.

"I'd have to see him first," Baker said.

Baker was involved in a game in Chicago when he was with the Dodgers in which Fernando Valenzuela played outfield.

Baker's wife, Melissa, asked him about Owings.

"She said, 'do you ever think about putting him in left field?" Baker said.

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2009, 08:23 PM
From the Reds:

DOUBLE THREAT: With 2 outs in the ninth inning of yesterday's 10-inning, 8-7 loss vs StL, Reds pinch-hitting pitcher Micah Owings hit a solo HR off Ryan Franklin that tied the game at 7-7...was Owings' sixth career home run and his second career pinch-hit HR...both of his pinch-hit homers tied games...the only other pitcher to do that even once over the last 50 years was Brooks Kieschnick of the Brewers, who did it in 2003 and 2004 (courtesy Elias Sports Bureau)...

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3ae6f28a4f-be5b-480a-a4fb-47eeebcc1531&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2009, 08:26 PM
Micah Owings was still charged up about his ninth inning homer Sundayt. Funny thing is he headed to first base on a low 3-1 pitch he thought was ball four. It was called a strike and Owings sent the full count pitch out.

"Looking back, of course. I still think it might have been down," Owings said. "I'm not going to look at it anymore. I will take that. It had been a little while since I hit a home run."

"I think as a kid growing up, I can remember doing that stuff with my little brother and I think we even put it on more of a grand scale like in a World Series."

Owings is the starting pitcher against his old team on Tuesday.

http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2009, 09:08 PM
I said this in the game thread: This is a big road trip for the Reds. The DBacks and Padres are both 13-19, so these are games the Reds need to win. They need to go at least 3-3, but 4-2 (or better) would be very nice.

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2009, 09:19 PM
Notes, Quotes from the Arizona desert
By Hal McCoy | Monday, May 11, 2009, 08:33 PM

I’ll give credit where credit is due: thank you, Delta, for getting me quickly and safely from Dayton to Phoenix today - on time, no incidents. But boring. No excitement, unless you count me pouring water in my lap when I dropped my book and tried to catch it. Fortunately, it happened early in a four-hour flight, time to dry.

And when I got to Phoenix I discovered it was 102 degrees (in May?). And it will be over 100 all three days the Cincinnati Reds are here. Yeah, I know, dry heat. But tell that to me right hand which nearly suffered third-degree burns when I touched the iron railing on the balcony of my hotel room.

SO WHAT’S it like in the clubhouse of a team on a roll, a team having fun, a team winning? Well, fun.

Every day, four of the Latin players sit at a table in the middle of the room playing cards. “Casino,” said Edinson Volquez. “You know, 21?” Participants include Coco Cordero, Ramon Hernandez, Willy Taveras, Edwin Encarnacion, Volquez and Johnny Cueto. All I know is there is a lot of laughing and insults shouted in Spanish. And, of course, Latin music punctuates the air from a large black box in Taveras’ locker.

AND THEY watch TV as they dress and prepare. On Monday in Arizona, Deal or No Deal was on and Jerry Hairston Jr. watched as he pulled on his green t-shirt from the Mexican team in the WBC. “I don’t understand some people,” he said. “They have a change of a lifetime, a chance to win $1 million. And some of them stop in the game at $22,000, which means $14,000 after taxes. What’s the matter with those people.”

JAY BRUCE tried a practical joke on Joey Votto Monday. Didn’t work. Bruce put up a bogus lineup card that had himself batting third and Votto batting fifth. The usual lineup has Votto third and Bruce fifth.

As I stood looking at the card, wondering if manager Dusty Baker had wigged out, Bruce tapped me on the shoulder and said, “That’s not the real lineup.”

So, I went to Votto and said, “You like batting fifth?” And he said, “What do you mean? I’m not batting fifth.”

Somebody had replaced the bogus card with the real one and that’s the one Votto saw. When told about the other card, an attempt by Bruce to make Votto mad, Votto laughed and said, “That’s a bad joke right there. It didn’t work. I didn’t even see it. I wish I had. It would have been funny. But it misfired.

THEY PUT out an interesting note today. It said that the pinch-hit home run that pitcher Micah Owings hit Sunday was the second pinch-hit home run of his career and both tied games. The note continued that the only other pitcher to do it even once (tie a game with a pinch-hit home run) over the last 50 years was Brooks Kieschnick of the Milwaukee Brewers in 2003 and 2004.

One problem with that: it isn’t fair to Owings. Here’s the difference. Owing is a pitcher, always has been - a pitcher who happens to be able to hit. Kieschnick was an outfielder throughout his career and the Brewers had him do some relief pitching. He still played the outfield and first base, too.

So in my book, what Owings has done is more impressive.

REMEMBER Kevin Jarivs. He pitched in the mid-90s for the Reds and is now a scout for the Arizona Diamondbacks. He was in Great American Ball Park Sunday and happened to look at the scoreboard where it said: “On this date in baseball, Pat Jarvis pitched a two-hitter in 1995 against the Mets.”

Kevin Jarvis stared at it a few moments, then thought, “Hey, I pitched a shutout that day. That’s me, not Pat Jarvis.” There was another Jarvis, named Pat, who pitched in the majors. “How ironic that I was in Cincinnati’s ballpark when they put that up,” said Jarvis (Kevin, not Pat).

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/

toledodan
05-11-2009, 10:05 PM
Notes, Quotes from the Arizona desert
By Hal McCoy | Monday, May 11, 2009, 08:33 PM


AND THEY watch TV as they dress and prepare. On Monday in Arizona, Deal or No Deal was on and Jerry Hairston Jr. watched as he pulled on his green t-shirt from the Mexican team in the WBC. “I don’t understand some people,” he said. “They have a change of a lifetime, a chance to win $1 million. And some of them stop in the game at $22,000, which means $14,000 after taxes. What’s the matter with those people.”


http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/



i guess if i signed a contract worth millions i wouldn't understand it either.:thumbdown

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:44 AM
No home run trots for Rosales
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

05/11/09 9:50 PM ET

PHOENIX -- That wasn't Adam Rosales doing the 100-meter dash on Sunday. That sprint the Reds third baseman did qualified as a home run trot -- for him.

In the fourth inning of the Reds' 8-7 loss to the Cardinals, Rosales hit Adam Wainwright's first pitch into the left-field seats for his first big league home run.

Despite the ball being gone, Rosales motored around the bases at full speed. During its telecast, Fox Sports Ohio timed him at just over 15 seconds.

"I've been doing it since I was a little kid," Rosales said. "I'm not going to change. I just do it. I think it's fun. It's who I am. I always get razzed about it. That's what makes it fun. Give them a reason. But I'm going to keep doing it."

Rosales, who was tagged during Spring Training with the nickname "Pete Rosales" after a certain Cincinnati icon, is always running -- he goes full speed to the field between innings, after making outs and even when he draws a walk.

"I've seen him do that for four years now. It's amazing," right fielder Jay Bruce said of Rosales' home run sprint. The two came up in the farm system together. "It's never been any different. It's always the same, every game."

The 25-year-old Rosales is also a rarity for wearing his red socks up to the knee over his pants.

Rosales was red-hot with a .431 average and four homers when he was recalled from Triple-A Louisville on April 28 after Edwin Encarnacion went on the disabled list. Rosales hit safely in seven of his 11 games entering Monday but snapped a 0-for-15 skid on Friday.

Hits have come over the last three games vs. St. Louis, but none was as satisfying as his first long ball.

"It was pretty thrilling," said Rosales, who entered Monday batting .256 with four RBIs. "I was kind of feeling for the ball the last week or so. That at-bat, I said I would go out there and attack it and not be so passive. I got my pitch to hit."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090511&content_id=4679034&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Homer Bailey
05-12-2009, 01:21 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-A-word-about-Junior-Hairston;_ylt=Akx2FKxPH9ikapk.oeDjV2a5bZ8u?urn=fan tasy,162766

It's an artcile about fantasy baseball, but the Reds were heavily featured today.


For some reason I've always had a fantasy fondness for Jerry Hairston Jr.(notes) Maybe it's the three-position eligibility, maybe it's the sneaky combination of speed (lots) and power (well, a little), maybe it's because of the run he took a few of my teams on last year. Hairston didn't hit a lick earlier in 2009 but he's worked his way back onto the radar with four straight multi-hit games, including Monday's 4-2-2-2 line at Arizona. I can't guarantee he'll do anything Tuesday against Dan Haren(notes), but let's give Hairston a look for the rest of the week; he's getting an extended trial as Cincinnati's No. 2 hitter, and his ability to play all over the field will come in handy when Alex Gonzalez (oblique) returns to action at some point.


Laynce Nix(notes) had a couple of hits (including a homer) in Cincinnati's win at Arizona, but this looks like a story that's going to end badly; when you've got 16 strikeouts over 52 at-bats, you're not supposed to be carrying a .327 average. Nix kept the left-field spot warm last week with a host of single-hit games, but even Dusty Baker is bound to realize the reality of the situation at some point later this month and start open auditions again.


We're all trained to hate Willy Taveras(notes) for some reason, but what's wrong with 24 runs, eight steals and a .315 average?

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 03:12 PM
Visiting Goodyear
Posted by JohnFay at 5/12/2009 2:45 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

I just returned from my excursion to Goodyear. It made me think of the something someone said about another city. Paraphrasing here: Goodyear, Ariz., isn’t the end of the world but you can see it from there.

The stadium is very nice. The upgrade from tired, old Ed Smith Stadium is the equivalent of the going from Riverfront to Great American.

The architecture is classy. The seating bowl is surrounded by lawn areas. It’s as nice as Fifth Third Field in Dayton. It looks like a fun place to take in a game.

But the new complex is out in the middle of nowhere. I think the next exit after the last Goodyear exit is for L.A.

Goodyear is about 30 minutes from the Sky Harborairport with light traffic – just go west on I-10. East of where of the Reds and Indians complexes are suburbia has spouted up. You’ve got Chili’s, Applebee’s, Starbucks and shopping malls.

If you come just for the baseball, it’ll be fine. But Goodyear lacks all the charm that was Sarasota. There’s no Gus’s across the street. There’s no Siesta Key down the road. There’s no cool, old Florida downtown.

I understand why the Reds did what they did. From a personal standpoint, six weeks in Goodyear isn’t going be the same as six weeks in the Sarasota.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a89e7db97-e34b-4ba8-8b9c-a2ec560b2fe1&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Chip R
05-12-2009, 03:20 PM
Ah, sportswriters. Always needing something to complain about. I'm sure I'll be feeling really sorry for poor old John Fay down in Arizona while I'm up here in February freezing my butt off.

VR
05-12-2009, 04:15 PM
Visiting Goodyear
Posted by JohnFay at 5/12/2009 2:45 PM EDT on Cincinnati.com

I just returned from my excursion to Goodyear. It made me think of the something someone said about another city. Paraphrasing here: Goodyear, Ariz., isn’t the end of the world but you can see it from there.

The stadium is very nice. The upgrade from tired, old Ed Smith Stadium is the equivalent of the going from Riverfront to Great American.

The architecture is classy. The seating bowl is surrounded by lawn areas. It’s as nice as Fifth Third Field in Dayton. It looks like a fun place to take in a game.

But the new complex is out in the middle of nowhere. I think the next exit after the last Goodyear exit is for L.A.

Goodyear is about 30 minutes from the Sky Harborairport with light traffic – just go west on I-10. East of where of the Reds and Indians complexes are suburbia has spouted up. You’ve got Chili’s, Applebee’s, Starbucks and shopping malls.

If you come just for the baseball, it’ll be fine. But Goodyear lacks all the charm that was Sarasota. There’s no Gus’s across the street. There’s no Siesta Key down the road. There’s no cool, old Florida downtown.

I understand why the Reds did what they did. From a personal standpoint, six weeks in Goodyear isn’t going be the same as six weeks in the Sarasota.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog07&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ae57bcc87-152a-4f72-96fb-cc08b1f396efPost%3a89e7db97-e34b-4ba8-8b9c-a2ec560b2fe1&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com

Good call by Fay....there's absolutely nothing in West Phoenix....let alone out in Goodyear.

VR
05-12-2009, 04:36 PM
Laynce Nix(notes) had a couple of hits (including a homer) in Cincinnati's win at Arizona, but this looks like a story that's going to end badly; when you've got 16 strikeouts over 52 at-bats, you're not supposed to be carrying a .327 average. Nix kept the left-field spot warm last week with a host of single-hit games, but even Dusty Baker is bound to realize the reality of the situation at some point later this month and start open auditions again.

I dont' necessarily agree w/ this assessment. His history says he strikes out a fair amount (1/4.6abs), but clipped along around .280 most of his MinL career. I think continued consistent starts will bring that ratio into line, and be offset anyway with solid slugging and defense.

Will M
05-12-2009, 07:04 PM
vs RHP:
OPS 1.10
11 Ks in 47 ABs

vs LHP:
OPS .375
5 Ks in 8 ABs

The "16Ks in 52 ABs" is misleading. His numbers vs RHP are very very good. He is however, never to hit vs a LHP. Never.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 07:30 PM
Good call by Fay....there's absolutely nothing in West Phoenix....let alone out in Goodyear.

For me there is. My brother and his family live in Goodyear and are a few blocks away from the stadium. My family and I have been wanting to take a trip out and visit them for a couple of years now...the Reds gave me juuuuuuust a bit more incentive to do it next spring. :O)

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 08:21 PM
From John Fay:


Alex Gonzalez declared himself fit to play.

“I’m ready, man,” he said. “I’m good. I’m ready to play.”

But as is Dusty Baker’s policy, Gonzalez was not in the lineup.

“I’m big on when a players says he’s ready giving a few more days,” Baker said. “We have the off day (Thursday). I know he’s champing at the bit. He says he feels great. I’ll give another few days to practice and get his stroke.”

Monday was the first time Gonzalez took batting practice since straining his left oblique.

He’d clearly like to be in lineup tonight.

“Nobody likes to sit out,” Gonzalez said.

The other factor is Jerry Hairston Jr., who started at shortstop Tuesday, went into the game with on a seven-game hitting streak in which he was hitting .414 with six RBI and 10 runs scored.

“You knew Hairston was going to do well,” Baker said. “Nobody is Alex at shortstop. But again, this is an example of having interchangeable parts. It comes into play almost everyday.”

Gonzalez was available.

“If it’s a double switch or something,” Baker said. “But I’ve got to give him plenty of time to get loose. I’ve got to see him myself in practice.”

ON ROSALES: Adam Rosales has struggled at third base. He’s only been charged with one error, but he’s bobbled three double play balls.

“When we went him down in spring, it was one thing we tried to get across to him is slow the game down defensively,” Baker said. “It’s easier said than done. It’s something he’s going to have to do – relax a little and slow the ball down.

“Last night, after he had one or two plays, it gets in your head bad. That’s one thing we didn’t want to happen.”

Rosales was drafted at shortstop. He’s played all four infield positions. His strong arm has kept him from getting errors.

“I’ve got to trust my hands,” he said.

fearofpopvol1
05-12-2009, 08:29 PM
I'd actually rather let Hairston play RIGHT NOW over Gonzo while his bat is still hot. Give him a few extra days.

OnBaseMachine
05-13-2009, 12:36 AM
Baseball writing takes a sad turn
By Hal McCoy | Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 09:51 PM

It was 105 today and service was lousy at P.F. Chang’s and I have a stiff neck from sleeping on it wrong and my cigars are coming unraveled in the desert heat.

But I’m not going to complain. Not even Delta can get my heart rate up today.

I have a job. When other baseball writers ask me, “How you doing?,” I say, “Great. I have a job.”

A lot of my pals don’t any more, a lot of talented people victimized by the economy and newspaper cutbacks. One of the best is Tony Jackson, who covered the Cincinnati Reds for the now-defunct Cincinnati Post. He was covering the Dodgers for the Los Angeles Daily News until a week ago. He was laid off. So long, farewell, thanks for coming.

Hall of Fame writer Tracy Ringolsby and Jack Etkin, two of the best beat writers in the country, were without jobs when the Rocky Mountain News in Denver published its last edition this year.

Another good friend, Jack Magruder, was covering the Arizona Diamondbacks for the East Valley Tribune - until the EVT decided to no longer print a newspaper and Jack was swept out the door. Saw him today and he is hanging in there by doing free lance work.

And how heartless was this? A back-up beat writer and a columnist with the Baltimore Sun were in the pressbox at Camden Yards. They received phone calls. In the pressbox as they worked. Their services were no longer needed and please leave your laptop computers before you walk out the door. Don’t forget the power unit, too.

More sad news today, which is what prompted this. Tom Krasovic has covered the San Diego Padres for at least 10 years, maybe longer, for the San Diego Union-Tribune. He is from Dayton, a Carroll High School graduate, and worked as a copy boy at the old Dayton Journal Herald. He was part of 150 jobs eliminated by the Union-Tribune this week and has a job only until July 31.

So go ahead, Delta, Crush my luggage. Lose it. And if P.F. Chang’s wants to serve my chicken with bean sauce ice cold, I’ll use my lighter to heat it up. Malaria? I’ll take it. Stiff neck? Bring it on.

I have a job.

FOR THOSE who like what Jerry Hairston Jr. has done at shortstop and batting second in the order while the Reds have won 11 of their last 15, well, enjoy it now. Alex Gonzalez is coming back Friday in San Diego and he IS going to be at shortstop.

“Everybody knows there is nobody like Alex Gonzalez,” said Baker.

Looks as if Hairston is headed back into a platoon situation, playing left field against lefthanded pitchers. At least Laynce Nix remains in left field against righthanded pitchers and somebody in the clubhouse wanted to know, “Has Chris Dickerson ever heard of Wally Pipp?”

Know what I like about Adam Rosales, other than his all-out hustle. He isn’t the most talented guy in the world and knows it. And he isn’t afraid to admit it. Nor is he afraid to take responsibility and talk about it when he comes up short - as he has recently on defense.

Rosales knows he should be fielding all those rockets and missiles that have been thundering past him at third base and he knows he should field cleanly some of those balls he is bobbling on routine grounders.

“Those are definitely playable balls, plays I should make,” he said. “I need to make them. It’s a matter of slowing things down. I’m pretty tense and I need to trust my hands.”

Nobody is more concerned about it than Rosales himself.

“I know I will, but I’m kind of hyped up, in case people can’t tell,” he added. “I have to be patient. What’s frustrating is that pitching and defense is so important and that’s why I’m putting too much pressure on myself.

“So it snowballs on me,” he said. “The pitcher is battling his behind off and I need to step up for him. I’m not fielding as well as I should be. I’ll start fielding them cleaner and make the double plays and the routine plays I’m supposed to make.”

Manager Dusty Baker said his fielding is the main reason Rosales was sent to Class AAA Louisville after spring training.

“The one thing we told him to get across to him was to slow the game down defensively,” said Baker. “It’s easier said than done, but it is something he has to do. Just relax and slow the game down.

“He had a couple of those plays (Monday) and it gets in your head,” Baker added. “That’s what we didn’t want to happen. Things compound similar to what happened to Edwin Encarnacion since he’s been here.”

And I still have a job (I think). I’m holding my breath to find out who among my baseball writing brethern are no longer employed. So sad, so sad.

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