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GOYA
04-28-2009, 11:03 AM
It isn't official yet but it looks like a rainout. Maybe they will make it up on tomorrow's scheduled day off.

There's a steady farmer's rain and it doesn't look like it will clear up any time soon.

edit: I could be wrong - it looks like their going to try and get the game in. I just checked radar and they will likely have to have a couple of delays during the game if they start at the now scheduled 11:40 start time.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 11:07 AM
Louisville - 11:05 - RHP Ramon Ramirez

Carolina - 11:30 - RHP James Avery

Sarasota - 7:00 - LHP Jeremy Horst

Dayton - 5:00 - RHP Josh Ravin

Game two - RHP Curtis Partch

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 11:31 AM
Wes Bankston is playing left field today. Rosales is at SS.

Louisville lineup:

Drew Stubbs, CF
Chris Valaika, 2B
Adam Rosales, SS
Wes Bankston, LF
Jonny Gomes, RF
Danny Dorn, 1B
Wilkin Castillo, 3B
Craig Tatum, C
Ramon Ramirez, SP

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 11:33 AM
Carolina lineup:

Chris Heisey, CF
Zach Cozart, SS
Juan Francisco, 3B
Todd Frazier, 1B
Shaun Cumberland, RF
Michael Griffin, LF
Chris Kroski, C
Eric Eymann, 2B
James Avery, SP

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 11:39 AM
Carolina takes a 1-0 lead after Juan Francisco tripled with two outs and scored on a Todd Frazier RBI single.

GOYA
04-28-2009, 11:57 AM
Gomes with a 3-run HR after a Stubbs double and a Rosales HBP. Bankston just missed a HR on the previous AB with a deep drive to dead center.

3-1 Bats

Prf15
04-28-2009, 12:08 PM
It is interesting to see Rosales at SS. Maybe they are hoping he looks solid and he can come up and be a guy who could start at 3B and SS multiple times a week? Bankston is impressing me as well, I think we might of gotten a diamond in the rough as he is still young and he is just mashing in Triple A.

The top 4 in the Carolina lineup are all interesting to me as well.

GOYA
04-28-2009, 12:18 PM
Stubbs with a two out single in the 2nd. Season avg up to .250

Valaika HBP.

Stubbs steals 3rd (he had 3rd stolen in the 1st when Rosales was HBP)

Rosales flies out

end of 2, Bats up 3-1

dougdirt
04-28-2009, 12:18 PM
Drew Stubbs starting to catch fire? 7-16 with 2 doubles, 2 walks and 2 K's since coming back after being out about a week.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 12:22 PM
Juan Francisco is 2-for-2 with a triple. He was 3-for-4 with a walk last night, so hopefully he's getting ready to go on a tear.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 12:24 PM
I just realized that Dayton is playing a doubleheader today. Curtis Partch will start game two.

nate
04-28-2009, 12:27 PM
Where's Drew Sutton? Has he even played yet?

GOYA
04-28-2009, 12:28 PM
Where's Drew Sutton? Has he even played yet?

In Sarasota rehabbing after a case of mono.

GOYA
04-28-2009, 12:38 PM
Ramirez gives up 4 runs in the 3rd. Bats down 5-3

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 12:45 PM
Cozart draws a two out walk and Francisco follows with a 2-run homer! Francisco is 3-for-3 with a single, triple, and a homer (#4). 4-2 Carolina in the 5th inning.

Francisco needs a double for the cycle.

GOYA
04-28-2009, 12:55 PM
Bats give up another run. Down 6-3 going to the bottom of the fourth.

nate
04-28-2009, 12:58 PM
In Sarasota rehabbing after a case of mono.

Ah, OK, thanks!

GOYA
04-28-2009, 01:10 PM
Bats down 8-3 and Sweet pulls Ramirez for Kennard.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:12 PM
Avery: 6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 2 K

4-2 Carolina after six innings.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:26 PM
Carolina added another run in the 7th. Now 5-2 going into the bottom of the 7the inning.

Heisey walked with two outs, stole second base (now 7-for-7 in SB attempts) and scored on a Cozart RBI double. Cozart is 2-for-3 with a walk.

Francisco flied out. He may not get another chance to complete the cycle.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:34 PM
5-3 Carolina after 7 innings.

Avery: 7 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 0 BB, 3 K

mace
04-28-2009, 01:41 PM
I've never seriously considered Avery as a prospect. Maybe that was hasty. Anybody see it differently?

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:46 PM
Avery: 8 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 0 BB, 3 K

5-3 Carolina after eight innings.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:47 PM
I've never seriously considered Avery as a prospect. Maybe that was hasty. Anybody see it differently?

I agree, sort of. I think his stuff is better suited for the bullpen. He won't make it as a starter but he could be a decent reliever if the Reds would move him to the pen. I remember the scouting report on him was his stuff was much better out of the pen.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:49 PM
Pedro Viola: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Louisville trails 8-3 after 6 1/2.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:56 PM
Louisville is rallying in the bottom of the 7th inning.

Castillo doubled, Tatum singled. Bolivar pinch hit and singled to score Castillo. 8-4. Stubbs then singled to load the bases with nobody out. Stubbs is 3-for-4 with a double and a stolen base.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Heisey singled in two runs to extend Carolina's lead to 7-3. He was thrown out at second base trying to stretch it into a double. Cozart grounded out leaving Francisco on deck. No cycle for Juan. Still a great day though. 7-3 Carolina after 8 1/2.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 02:02 PM
Stubbs is 3 for 4 with a double today. He's having a good day.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Carolina wins the game 7-5

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Valaika flied out on the 8th pitch. All runners had to hold.

Rosales worked the count to 3-2 and then lined a 2-run single to LF. Louisville has cut the lead to 8-6.

GOYA
04-28-2009, 02:06 PM
Rosales with a 2 run single.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 02:08 PM
Carolina won 7-5.

Heisey: 1-for-4 walk, SB, 2 RBI
Cozart: 2-for-4 double, walk
Francisco: 3-for-4 triple, HR (#4), 2 RBI
Frazier: 1-for-4 SB
Cumberland: 1-for-4 SB
Kroski: 0-for-2 two walks
Eymann: 2-for-4

Avery: 8 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 0 BB, 3 K

Geronimo: 1 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 0 K

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 02:10 PM
Louisville trails 8-6 after seven innings.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 02:43 PM
Louisville lost 8-6.

Stubbs: 3-for-5 double, SB
Valaika: 0-for-4 HBP
Rosales: 2-for-4 HBP, 2 RBI
Bankston: 0-for-5
Gomes: 1-for-4 HR (#3), 3 RBI
Dorn: 0-for-3 walk
Castillo: 1-for-4 double
Tatum: 2-for-4
Bolivar: 1-for-2

Viola: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Homer Bailey
04-28-2009, 02:48 PM
I try and read these threads every night, but I don't remember hearing anything about Ramon Ramirez this year. OBM? Doug? Has he been pitching or is he hurt?

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 02:49 PM
I try and read these threads every night, but I don't remember hearing anything about Ramon Ramirez this year. OBM? Doug? Has he been pitching or is he hurt?

He pitched today and got roughed up. He's off to an awful start so far this season.

JaxRed
04-28-2009, 04:06 PM
I took Avery off my prospect list a while back and have seen nothing to indicate he should be back on.

HokieRed
04-28-2009, 04:25 PM
I know the line's been that Avery plays out better as a reliever, but the Reds have been very persistent in keeping him as a starter. Today he goes 8, which is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the longest any Reds farmhand has gone so far this year. Looks to me like somebody sees something in this guy as a starter.

Homer Bailey
04-28-2009, 04:30 PM
He pitched today and got roughed up. He's off to an awful start so far this season.

I knew he was pitching today, but wasn't sure about earlier in the season. That bad, eh? WBC to blame?

dougdirt
04-28-2009, 04:48 PM
I know the line's been that Avery plays out better as a reliever, but the Reds have been very persistent in keeping him as a starter. Today he goes 8, which is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the longest any Reds farmhand has gone so far this year. Looks to me like somebody sees something in this guy as a starter.

The old saying goes 'give him every chance to fail as a starter before making him a reliever' and I think this is Avery's last chance to make it as a starter. If he doesn't show drastic improvements I just don't see him in a rotation next year.

OesterPoster
04-28-2009, 04:50 PM
Doug, what's the word on the new 3rd baseman for the Dragons (Mendez)? He's hit very well since getting the call from extended spring training. That Dayton lineup badly needed some punch, and he seems to have a little.

dougdirt
04-28-2009, 04:58 PM
Doug, what's the word on the new 3rd baseman for the Dragons (Mendez)? He's hit very well since getting the call from extended spring training. That Dayton lineup badly needed some punch, and he seems to have a little.

Solid plate approach, but he has never done anything special (never had an OPS over .675 in the minors on US soil). He is 22 at this point and has a solid approach, so he should be able to be solid in Dayton, but he isn't a prospect at this point and its not likely he really becomes one. He should help the Dragons out some.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 05:51 PM
After today, Zach Cozart is now hitting .338/.420/.493 - .913 OPS with eight extra-base hits in 71 atbats. 9 BB/8 K. Very impressive. The Reds desperately need some up the middle players, so it's good to see guys like Cozart and Heisey playing so well.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 06:19 PM
Dayton is scoreless through 4 1/2 innings in the first game of the doubleheader.

Ravin: 4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K, 5 GO/2 FO

Byron Wiley is 1-for-2.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 06:28 PM
Ravin allowed a grand slam in the 5th inning.

5 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 6 K

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 07:06 PM
Dayton lost game one, 8-0.

Sappelt: 1-for-3 double
Puckett: 1-for-3
Day: 0-for-2 walk
Wiley: 1-for-3

Ravin: 5 IP, 5 H, 6 R, 2 BB, 6 K

Ravin was dominant through the first four innings but fell apart in the final 1+ inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 07:47 PM
Horst: 3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

dougdirt
04-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Sarasota down 1-0 thanks to an error leading to a run. Bases loaded for Charlotte still.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 08:00 PM
Dragons ahead 3-0 in Game 2 in the second inning.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:06 PM
After so many solid teams lately, it's strange to see Dayton's lineup devoid of solid prospects. Anybody there with any real upside?

dougdirt
04-28-2009, 08:08 PM
After so many solid teams lately, it's strange to see Dayton's lineup devoid of solid prospects. Anybody there with any real upside?

Josh Ravin is probably their best current prospect, but Juan Carlos Sulbaran is scheduled to join the team within the week.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:09 PM
Oh yeah, I remember Ravin. I'd forgotten about him. I thought Sulbaran was going to start higher than Dayton. Isn't that kinda low for him?

dougdirt
04-28-2009, 08:14 PM
Oh yeah, I remember Ravin. I'd forgotten about him. I thought Sulbaran was going to start higher than Dayton. Isn't that kinda low for him?

No, he is 19 years old and has no experience in the minor leagues at all.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:15 PM
No, he is 19 years old and has no experience in the minor leagues at all.

Okay. Well after seeing him in the WBC, he's got the stuff to dominate down there in Dayton. Hopefully. :O)

Thanks for the insight.

GOYA
04-28-2009, 08:18 PM
Is the expectation still the GCL for Duran and Yorman? Anyone of note headed to Billings?

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 08:19 PM
Dragons up 5-0. I think Dave Sappelt could be someone to watch down there.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Horst: 6 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

11larkin11
04-28-2009, 08:32 PM
I think a lot of people forget that Cozart was a SECOND round pick. The talent is obviously there. And I think his first year he was a little bit overwhelmed, going straight to Dayton with no rookie ball experience.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 08:32 PM
I see Horst has a 10/2 ground ball to fly ball ratio. Is he a ground ball pitcher like Buck?

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 08:37 PM
Dragons up 6-0 after 3 1/2. I won't jinx anything by mentioning that Partch has thrown 3 hitless innings, will I?:rolleyes: He won't go 9 innings in any case.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 08:45 PM
Sarasota ties it 1-1 in the sixth on singles by Reed and Alonso.

Dragons now up by 6-3 after 4. I did jinx Partch's no-hitter by talking about it.:D

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 08:55 PM
Sarasota is now down 2-1 on a Charlotte HR, Horst is out of the game and will not get the win..

His line: 6 IP, 5 hits, 1 run, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

dougdirt
04-28-2009, 09:09 PM
Sarasota is down 7-1 currently.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 09:22 PM
Sarasota lost 8-1

Reed:2-4
Alonso:1-2, RBI, 2 walks

Dayton won 6-3

Sappelt:1-5, HR
Puckett:1-5 , HR
Coddington:2-3, double

redsof72
04-29-2009, 12:42 PM
Many within the Reds organization consider Miguel Rojas to be the top prospect on the Dayton team, simply because he is the only player who truly has a major league-grade tool (defense). I expect him to go back to Billings at the half and hopefully show some improvement there from what he did in '08. He has a long, long way to go at the plate.

Ravin's outing Tuesday was one of the more interesting you would see. He was absolutely dominant through four innings, making hitters look sick with his fastball (91-92), an outstanding change that has really improved from last year, and a bit more consistency with his curve than usual. Hitters had no chance. Then he ran into problems in the fifth and ended up allowing six runs in five plus. Keep an eye on this kid. He is a totally different prospect than what we saw in '08. The consistency isn't there yet, but there are flashes.

dougdirt
04-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Many within the Reds organization consider Miguel Rojas to be the top prospect on the Dayton team, simply because he is the only player who truly has a major league-grade tool (defense). I expect him to go back to Billings at the half and hopefully show some improvement there from what he did in '08. He has a long, long way to go at the plate.

Ravin's outing Tuesday was one of the more interesting you would see. He was absolutely dominant through four innings, making hitters look sick with his fastball (91-92), an outstanding change that has really improved from last year, and a bit more consistency with his curve than usual. Hitters had no chance. Then he ran into problems in the fifth and ended up allowing six runs in five plus. Keep an eye on this kid. He is a totally different prospect than what we saw in '08. The consistency isn't there yet, but there are flashes.

Rojas may have the best tool of anyone on that team, but I think he has a lot further to go than a guy like Ravin, who has two good pitches and a very strong body for his position. Rojas is just so weak with the bat that he has to make giant strides just to be a bad major league hitter. Soon enough though there won't be a debate on the best prospect on the team, because one Sulbaran gets there its not a question.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 12:51 PM
I like Byron Wiley a lot. IMO, he's the best position prospect on the team. Baseball America has described him as a 5-tool talent in the past. I really like his plate discipline.

It's nice to hear that Ravin has improved.

I agree with Doug though, Sulbaran will probably become the #1 prospect on that team when he arrives.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-29-2009, 12:55 PM
I know Rojas is 20 and he might have an awesome glove, but he has yet to show the ability to hit. At all.

It's got to be pretty hard to put up a line of .177/.236./.231/.467 in 280+ PA's.

redsof72
04-29-2009, 04:27 PM
Wiley is a defensive liability. Very weak arm, looks very tentative on many fly balls. Speed is average. He is perhaps the best hitter on the club. Has not shown any power yet in games.

You notice that Brandon Menchaca has been getting a lot of playing time despite a sub .150 batting average and the primary reason is that he is the only outfielder other than Sappelt on the club that has even Single-A average defensive skills. Big drop off in defensive outfield play with this club compared to last year's Dayton team. Menchaca is the only outfielder that can throw at all. Some of the outfielders are shaky on even routine can of corn fly balls, making you wonder where they played without developing even the most elementary defensive skills.

BuckeyeRedleg, I agree that Rojas has light years to go defensively. He might be the weakest offensive player in the league. But I can tell you as a statement of fact that there are members of the organization that see him as the top prospect on the current roster. That is possibly a statement of how weak the current group is in terms of longterm potential. If you check the box scores, you will see him in the lineup pretty much every day because they want him playing.

Notice that Wiley has not really been an everyday player. He has played more in recent days because he has been hitting well, but he is the type of player that needs to hit over .300 to stay in the lineup because he will give up too much defensively.

lollipopcurve
04-29-2009, 04:54 PM
But I can tell you as a statement of fact that there are members of the organization that see him as the top prospect on the current roster.

Interesting. Redsof72, what's your take on Rojas? Is he as phenomenal a defender as his reputation would have it?

Also a bit curious about Coddington. How does he look?

camisadelgolf
04-29-2009, 05:13 PM
We'll see if this link works, but here's an interview with Coddington that focus on his time at Performance Training Center.
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:1iUBmM_OC3YJ:www.elitefts.com/documents/PTC_kc.pdf+%22kevin+coddington%22&cd=17&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

redsof72
04-29-2009, 05:22 PM
Rojas looks smooth but young. Terry Reynolds made the statement that Rojas has the quickest hands he has seen in 30 years. He is not as consistent as Cozart right now. If you gave me the choice of the two, I would take Cozart of '08 over Rojas of '09 defensively, but the Reds feel that Rojas has a major league tool and if can hit a little, that can carry him a long way.

Coddington has looked good. He is playing a little less than half the games though as Wideman has gotten a few more starts. He has a few bloop hits but for the most part, has provided quality at-bats. Still early to really say.

It is hard to really judge guys off less than 50 at-bats, especially on a 4-14 team when mistakes become contagious.

I would say, certainly Fairel is the most polished player on the team, probably followed by Sappelt. Ravin, at times, has looked like a guy to watch. When he puts it all together, he has dominant stuff. At other times, he still has struggles (ie: tied club record for wild pitches in a game two starts ago).

camisadelgolf
04-29-2009, 05:24 PM
I saw Coddington play last week. He has a quick swing and gives good at-bats. He has a big frame, so you'd expect some power from him, but I didn't see much. Behind the dish, he seemed comfortable, but I didn't see enough to make any judgments.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-30-2009, 11:22 AM
BuckeyeRedleg, I agree that Rojas has light years to go defensively. He might be the weakest offensive player in the league. But I can tell you as a statement of fact that there are members of the organization that see him as the top prospect on the current roster. That is possibly a statement of how weak the current group is in terms of longterm potential. If you check the box scores, you will see him in the lineup pretty much every day because they want him playing.

Hopefully he developes some offensive ability to go with that glove. He is still young.

I appreciate your reports on these prospects.