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Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:07 PM
Lineups:


Astros (8 - 12)
6th in NL Central
Reds (10 - 9)
3rd in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. K Matsui, 2B .222 1 6 2
2. M Bourn, CF .290 1 4 4
3. L Berkman, 1B .174 5 10 0
4. C Lee, LF .268 5 15 0
5. M Tejada, SS .325 0 4 1
6. H Pence, RF .310 4 10 4
7. G Blum, 3B .316 0 4 0
8. I Rodriguez, C .215 2 7 0
9. W Rodriguez, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. W Taveras, CF .254 0 2 4
2. J Hairston Jr., 3B .161 1 2 0
3. J Votto, 1B .378 3 20 1
4. B Phillips, 2B .172 1 6 3
5. J Bruce, RF .271 5 13 0
6. R Hernandez, C .259 1 4 0
7. D McDonald, LF .278 0 1 0
8. A Gonzalez, SS .180 1 6 0
9. A Harang, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
W Rodriguez 1 2 1.80 1.04 22

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
A Harang 2 2 2.00 1.19 19

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:15 PM
Awful start for the Reds. Matsui singled, stole second. Bourn hit a routine groundball to Votto. He botched the grounder, then threw wildly to Harang allowing Bourn to score. Jeez.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:20 PM
Just out of curiosity, anybody know who's doing the play by play with Marty? Is that Kelch from last year?

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:21 PM
The first up till now:

Matsui singles, steals 2nd
Bourn reaches on a bad throwing error on Votto. 1-0 Astros
Berkman and Lee fly out to center.
Bourn steals 2nd. Astros are stealing easily against Harang
Tejada grounds out. 1-0 Astros mid 1st.

membengal
04-28-2009, 08:21 PM
The cosmos was so thrown off by the delayed game thread that Joey Votto committed a double error that allowed Houston to take a 1-0 lead.

membengal
04-28-2009, 08:21 PM
Yes, that's Kelch.

Bob Borkowski
04-28-2009, 08:22 PM
Just out of curiosity, anybody know who's doing the play by play with Marty? Is that Kelch from last year?

You are correct. He was on last night also.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:22 PM
Horrible defense that inning cost the Reds a run. Can't afford to give away runs with this offense, especially since they are facing a guy who shut them out last time.

WMR
04-28-2009, 08:22 PM
Jeez what's the team BA?

:eek:

VR
04-28-2009, 08:22 PM
The cosmos was so thrown off by the delayed game thread that Joey Votto committed a double error that allowed Houston to take a 1-0 lead.

and they give him an earned run?

GAC
04-28-2009, 08:24 PM
Geez! What a starting lineup. I'm simply thrilled.

Chat is open!

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:24 PM
Taveras leads off with a walk.

membengal
04-28-2009, 08:24 PM
I guess they are ruling that he would have scored from third on the next batter or two. But it was a clear bobble that let Bourn on, and a throw away on the same play that let Matsui score on the play.

VR
04-28-2009, 08:24 PM
Taveras leads off with a walk.

Don't get it if WT isn't on the run early here.

AmarilloRed
04-28-2009, 08:24 PM
I was hoping Rosales would get the start tonight. I hope Dusty gives him some playing time in this 3 week period.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:24 PM
Yes, that's Kelch.

Great, I love the insights from the minors that he brings to the broadcast.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:26 PM
Hairston lines a single to right center. 1st and 3rd.

VR
04-28-2009, 08:28 PM
I'm already salivating over the BP DP!

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:28 PM
Votto grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. Tie game 1-1.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:29 PM
Is that all this team does is ground into doubleplays? Come on Joey, it's a 3-1 count. You gotta look for a pitch you can drive.

BCubb2003
04-28-2009, 08:29 PM
Even Votto's double plays are productive.

VR
04-28-2009, 08:29 PM
BP must be bummed.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:30 PM
Phillips doubles to right center.

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 08:30 PM
Reds hitting WRod tonight. Better get them while you can.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:31 PM
Phillips steals 3rd. 0-2 count on Bruce.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:31 PM
Bruce grounds out to 1st. 1-1 after 1.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:31 PM
A walk, a single, and a double ... and the Reds only get one run. Very frustrating.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:32 PM
Wandy is NOT the same pitcher when he's on the Road. It's jekyll & hyde. We'll get half a dozen off him tonight.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:33 PM
Wandy is NOT the same pitcher when he's on the Road. It's jekyll & hyde. We'll get half a dozen off him tonight.

If the Reds score half a dozen runs off Wandy I'll run naked around the block.

GAC
04-28-2009, 08:33 PM
Is that all this team does is ground into doubleplays? Come on Joey, it's a 3-1 count. You gotta look for a pitch you can drive.

Yeah, I would have liked to have seen him look at another pitch or two.

Could have had bases loaded possibly for the BP dbl ;)

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 08:33 PM
That first inning was a microsopic look at the 2009 Reds so far. The misplays cost the Reds a run in the top half. In the bottom, the Reds get the first two on, hit into a DP, get a double and a weak groundout.

oneupper
04-28-2009, 08:33 PM
I'm just tuning in. Hairston at 3B? What happened?

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 08:35 PM
If the Reds score half a dozen runs off Wandy I'll run naked around the block. I can be in your town by 8:30 I've got to see this!:)

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Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:35 PM
Pence grounds out to short. 1 out.

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm just tuning in. Hairston at 3B? What happened?
Edwin with an injured wrist.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm just tuning in. Hairston at 3B? What happened?
Edwin went on the DL this afternoon.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:35 PM
I can be in your town by 8:30 I've got to see this!:)

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:D

VR
04-28-2009, 08:35 PM
Ok, they changed the run off of Aaron to unearned. Very wise.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:36 PM
If the Reds score half a dozen runs off Wandy I'll run naked around the block.

I'd say I'll hold you to that...but I REEEEEEEEALLY don't want to. :O)

oneupper
04-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Edwin went on the DL this afternoon.

OK. No roster move? Rosales?

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Blum pops out to 1st. 2 outs.

Gallen5862
04-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Let's go Reds. Thanks for the PBP. Did Rosales make it to the Ballpark? Hopefully he is available to PH.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Let's go Reds. Thanks for the PBP. Did Rosales make it to the Ballpark? Hopefully he is available to PH.Rosales was supposed to be here by the time the game started.

oneupper
04-28-2009, 08:37 PM
Sorry. Just saw the EE Rosales thread...carry on.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:38 PM
Pudge with a HR to center.

We'll score off of Wandy, but Harang's got to hold them down regardless.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:38 PM
Rodriguez homers to center. 2-1 Astros.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:38 PM
Rosales was supposed to be here by the time the game started.

Marty & crew are saying he just got here and is in the dugout right now...ready to play tonight.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 08:39 PM
The light hitting Pudge Rodriguez homers.

I hate to see say it, but my prediction of a 1-5 homestand is looking very possible right now. I hope I'm wrong.

VR
04-28-2009, 08:39 PM
Rodriguez homers to center. 2-1 Astros.

I hope it was a lousy hitter's pitch.....2 outs and the pitcher on deck.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:39 PM
Rodriquez flies out to center. 2-1 Astros mid 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:40 PM
Bite your tongue OBM. 3-3. Say it with me....THREE AND THREE. :O)

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:41 PM
I hope it was a lousy hitter's pitch.....2 outs and the pitcher on deck.
Now it was a 1-1 pitch right down the center of the plate.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:45 PM
Hernandez strikes out swinging at the end of a 10 pitch AB.

VR
04-28-2009, 08:45 PM
I really get excited about 10 pitch at bats, even if they do end in a strikeout.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:46 PM
McDonald strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:47 PM
I really get excited about 10 pitch at bats, even if they do end in a strikeout.

How do you feel about 4 pitch strikeouts?

VR
04-28-2009, 08:47 PM
How do you feel about 4 pitch strikeouts?

when strike 3 is a foot out of the strike zone.....not so much.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:47 PM
Gonzalez grounds out to 3rd. 2-1 Astros after 2.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:48 PM
Agon grounds out to blum to end the inning. Nice 1-2-3 from Wandy there. He seems to really be pounding the zone tonight. We're still getting 6 off him. I said it earlier, so it MUST be true.

BCubb2003
04-28-2009, 08:50 PM
Off topic: Have any of you miscreants in Cincinnati seen this Shadowhare dude or is it all just a goof?

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Matsui strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Bourn grounds out to 1st.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:53 PM
Berkman flies out to left. Easy 3rd for Harang. 2-1 Astros mid 3rd.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:55 PM
nice quick 8 pitch 1-2-3 for Aaron there. Hopefully that's a sign of things to come for the rest of the game from him.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:55 PM
Harang grounds out to short. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:57 PM
Taveras grounds out to 3rd but that looks like a bad call. He looked safe.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:57 PM
Taveras grounds to third and is called out at first....I'm not too sure about THAT one.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 08:58 PM
He was safe.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 08:58 PM
Dusty out to argue the call. Anybody think he'll convince the ump to change the call? :O)

Degenerate39
04-28-2009, 08:58 PM
I want Questec on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd too

membengal
04-28-2009, 09:00 PM
Heaven forbid the ump do his job. That's really irritating that the Reds lose Taveras on the basepaths because the first base ump is pure incompetent.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:01 PM
Hairston grounds out to 2nd. 2-1 Astros after 3.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:01 PM
Awesome hustle again there by Jerry Hairston Jr.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:04 PM
Lee lines out to left. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:05 PM
Tejada grounds out to short. 2 outs.

VR
04-28-2009, 09:06 PM
Harang vs. righties....only 6 of his 20 k's...and their hitting /293 against him

Lefties...14 ks and hitting in the low 2's.


44 through 4 for Aaron

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:06 PM
Pence grounds out to short. Another easy inning for Harang. 2-1 Astros mid 4th.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 09:07 PM
Nice, another quick 8 pitch inning. Edinson needs to watch Aaron work.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:10 PM
Votto leads off with a walk.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:13 PM
Phillips flies out to the warning track in center. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 09:13 PM
Wandy starting to lose the zone here.

Missing badly to Phillips.

Brandon ends up flying out to the warning track for the first out. Close, but no dice.

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 09:13 PM
BP still fancies himself a home run hitter--in all situations. Bah.

membengal
04-28-2009, 09:14 PM
I thought Brandon got that one. Deep part of the park.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:15 PM
Another bad call. Bruce strikes out looking. Ball was outside.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:15 PM
Bruce gets called out on a pitch six inches outside.

membengal
04-28-2009, 09:15 PM
ugly. This team's offense continues to be less than satisfactory.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:15 PM
This offense struggles enough without the umps making it worse.

Hernandez pops out to 2nd. 2-1 Astros after 4.

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 09:16 PM
Yep, Reds hitting Wandy hard..uh, not.

I swear, Josh Fogg could throw a gem against this offense.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:16 PM
The Reds blew their chance in the first inning. Oh well, Walt is happy with the offense!

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:18 PM
Blum singles to right.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 09:19 PM
Blum with a lead off single to right. He's really hitting the ball well right now. Probably the best on the 'stros (Miggy's close though)

membengal
04-28-2009, 09:19 PM
Thom B advertising the Cards/Reds series May 8 - 10. Should be stout crowds for that, as Cardinals fans will swell fannies in seats significantly.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:22 PM
Rodriguez just missed another homer. Doubling off the top of the wall. McDonald bobbles the ball in left and Blum scores. 3-1 Astros.

Blitz Dorsey
04-28-2009, 09:22 PM
Dumb, dumb, dumb... notice every time someone gets a HR or double off Harang it's a curve ball?

Throw the fastball!

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:23 PM
The Astros are awful, they may be the worst team in baseball behind the Nationals, but they OWN the Reds. Own them. This will be the Reds 11th straight loss to the Astros at home.

alloverjr
04-28-2009, 09:23 PM
Pitching and defense.

BCubb2003
04-28-2009, 09:23 PM
Eight outfield errors for Reds this year?

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:23 PM
W. Rodriguez sacrifices the runner to 3rd. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:23 PM
Will someone please tell me what Darnell McDonald brings to this team?

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:24 PM
18 errors for the Reds. Only 2 teams are worse on errors Nationals and Cardinals.

Blitz Dorsey
04-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Our lack of a right-handed bat is even worse than I thought it would be. And I thought it was going to be extremely bad.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Matsui singles. 4-1 Astros.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 09:25 PM
Matsui with a slap hit past a drawn-in Votto. 4-1 Astros.

alloverjr
04-28-2009, 09:25 PM
Game broken wide open. 4-1. All 8k may now head for the exits.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Well, it's time for me to flip the channel. This game is most likely over (it was probably over when the Astros scored their second run).

CTA513
04-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Pitching and defense.

:ughmamoru

Blitz Dorsey
04-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Joey Votto, I love ya, but time to learn LF (I know he got some starts there in AAA in '07, but he doesn't have much experience there). I just think Alonso is only a 1B, while Joey is athletic enough to move to LF.

It would be different if Votto was a good defensive first baseman. He's not terrible, but he's not good. Joey to LF and Yonder to 1B needs to happen in 2010.

Blitz Dorsey
04-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Harang has no clue how to hold runners. I love everything else about him.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Matsui steals 2nd. 3rd Astros steal tonight. Astros can pratically walk to 2nd on Harang's slow delivery.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:29 PM
Bourn walks.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 09:30 PM
Lincoln warming up.

Berkman flies out to left.

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:30 PM
Berkman flies out to left. 2 outs.

Red in Chicago
04-28-2009, 09:31 PM
oh great, now mike lincoln is warming up:thumbdown

Reds Fanatic
04-28-2009, 09:31 PM
6-1 Astros as Lee doubles in 2.

_Sir_Charles_
04-28-2009, 09:31 PM
Lee doubles past Taveras. 6-1 Astros. *sigh*
Well, at least I get to watch the Rockets close out Portland tonight. So I've got that goin' for me. *grin*

Blitz Dorsey
04-28-2009, 09:32 PM
This game is over. Time to watch Bulls-Celtics. Good night everyone. It's the middle-aged right-hander rounding third and heading for home.

GAC
04-28-2009, 09:37 PM
Even a Rosales can't save this offense.

Nasty_Boy
04-28-2009, 09:38 PM
Owings? Shouldn't they save him for a 5 run homer?

CaiGuy
04-28-2009, 09:41 PM
We are seeing a team that has been outscored this season moving back towards the unfortunate side of .500.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Nasty_Boy
04-28-2009, 09:55 PM
Not a good trend indeed.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 09:57 PM
The sad thing is, with this pitching staff, the Reds were capable of being a playoff caliber team if Jocketty had went out and acquired a big bat and found a shortstop. Instead, he decided to do nothing.

flyer85
04-28-2009, 10:02 PM
Wandy is NOT the same pitcher when he's on the Road. but the Reds offense sucks no matter the park

flyer85
04-28-2009, 10:04 PM
Eight outfield errors for Reds this year?no ... that problem has been solved as the offenders were sent packing. Pitching and defense. :thumbup:

flyer85
04-28-2009, 10:12 PM
nice Ramon ... this team is truly a piece of work

CrackerJack
04-28-2009, 10:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0&feature=player_embedded

membengal
04-28-2009, 10:12 PM
Watching this offense is as fun as waiting in line at the DMV.

BuckeyeRedleg
04-28-2009, 10:15 PM
Horrendous defense. One of the worst offenses in baseball (and we all knew it would be).

Seriously, this was supposed to be a fun team to watch? Yes, Cincinnati fans. Keep convincing yourselves this brand of baseball is sooo much more enjoyable than before.

Hilarious.

VR
04-28-2009, 10:19 PM
Wow. Had Tejada hung up. Yet another unforced error that won't show in the box score.

VR
04-28-2009, 10:24 PM
My goodness. Strike 3 doesn't have Hernandez move his glove, yet it's called ball 4.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 10:27 PM
Mike Lincoln is yet another gift from Walt Jocketty.

RedsManRick
04-28-2009, 10:28 PM
I really don't understand why we resigned Lincoln. Now I really don't get it... There is absolutely no reason to give guaranteed millions to mediocre RH relievers -- to say nothing of ones with his injury history.

BCubb2003
04-28-2009, 10:28 PM
Remember that time when we won by all those runs? This is like that only opposite.

flyer85
04-28-2009, 10:32 PM
Mike Lincoln is yet another gift from Walt Jocketty.honestly, small potatoes. Most GMs don't seem to understand randomness, walt is just one of many. It is not understanding the big things that has been killing the organization

NC Reds
04-28-2009, 10:35 PM
Nix, wearing Javy's number, hits a homer.

RedsManRick
04-28-2009, 10:39 PM
Votto takes 5 balls (2 called strikes) before flying out to LF.

OnBaseMachine
04-28-2009, 10:41 PM
Laynce Nix needs to play more. I'd give him a few starts in left field.

WVRedsFan
04-28-2009, 10:45 PM
I don't know why I bother. Unless the starter allows less than 2 runs, this team will lose. I guess that's what happens when you lose a third baseman and replace him in the lineup with a career minor leaguer. I guess that's what happens when you sit on your hands during the winter pleading poverty but give too much money to guys like Lincoln and whover else you want to name.

I guess I've just had it.

VR
04-28-2009, 10:51 PM
Phillips goes deep. That's either a good sign that he's turning it around.....or a bad sign that justifies his big swing for him.
My heart hopes for the former, by head tells me it may be the latter.

flyer85
04-28-2009, 10:51 PM
I don't know why I bother. Unless the starter allows less than 2 runs, this team will lose. I guess that's what happens when you lose a third baseman and replace him in the lineup with a career minor leaguer. I guess that's what happens when you sit on your hands during the winter pleading poverty but give too much money to guys like Lincoln and whover else you want to name.

I guess I've just had it.it's what happens when you don't understand how runs are created.

VR
04-28-2009, 10:59 PM
4 very hard hit balls in the 9th, 1 dinger and 3 loud outs.

Sweep avoidance tomorrow.....Rosales and Nix need to be starting.

Cyclone792
04-28-2009, 11:02 PM
The Reds always seem to have one "veteran" reliever each year - sometimes more than one reliever - who is a microcosm of their season.

Majewski and Coffey in 2008
Saarloos, Stanton, Coffey and Majewski in 2007
Hammond and White in 2006

It goes on and on and on ... and this year Mike Lincoln really wants that award.

WMR
04-28-2009, 11:09 PM
Remember that time when we won by all those runs? This is like that only opposite.

:laugh:

This team--organization?--needs an exorcism.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2009, 12:28 AM
it's what happens when you don't understand how runs are created.

Is it me or is it Mr. Jocketty? :)

flyer85
04-29-2009, 12:30 AM
Is it me or is it Mr. Jocketty? :)
if it was you no one would care ;)

WVRedsFan
04-29-2009, 12:40 AM
if it was you no one would care ;)

:)...

How true.

OnBaseMachine
04-29-2009, 01:35 AM
I guess on the bright side, despite having a bad homestand, the Reds can still have a winning April if they beat the Astros on Wednesday night.

WVRedsFan
04-29-2009, 01:57 AM
I guess on the bright side, despite having a bad homestand, the Reds can still have a winning April if they beat the Astros on Wednesday night.
Yes, and that's a start. But my frustrtion level is getting to the point where I just can't watch. For the first time since I was...heck I don't know how young (maybe 6?), I could care less about watching the Reds. I hate that. Even in those awful years where we lost and lost and lost, I still watched every game. Now, this offense is so frustrating, i cannot watch. It's incompetence at its highest level. I can't take it. Seeing Hariston out there when I know he'll bomb this year, watching Phillips hack just hacks me off so much, watching Edwin just flog away just made me want to clean the garage (and maybe he was hurt and if so, I apologize), and seeing McDonald on this team--even on the bench makes my blood boil.

And yet, we're still at .500 (until tomorrow) and maybe better after tomorrow night (or not). Regardless, this is the most boring team this franchise has fielded since 1982. You may like pitching and defense, but this team is a horrible defensive team and the pitching is spotty at best. And the hitting sucks.

I hope for better, but even if they finish 82-80, they will be hard to watch all year. And when the seats are empty for most of the year and they say, "but we had a winning record," I hope they realize that winning fills the seats, but you have to generate some excitement to keep them coming back. And this team generates little excitement.

Ron Madden
04-29-2009, 06:38 AM
eight outfield errors for reds this year?


It's all Edwins fault!!!!!!!


;)

BuckeyeRedleg
04-29-2009, 09:45 AM
Yes, and that's a start. But my frustrtion level is getting to the point where I just can't watch. For the first time since I was...heck I don't know how young (maybe 6?), I could care less about watching the Reds. I hate that. Even in those awful years where we lost and lost and lost, I still watched every game. Now, this offense is so frustrating, i cannot watch. It's incompetence at its highest level. I can't take it. Seeing Hariston out there when I know he'll bomb this year, watching Phillips hack just hacks me off so much, watching Edwin just flog away just made me want to clean the garage (and maybe he was hurt and if so, I apologize), and seeing McDonald on this team--even on the bench makes my blood boil.

And yet, we're still at .500 (until tomorrow) and maybe better after tomorrow night (or not). Regardless, this is the most boring team this franchise has fielded since 1982. You may like pitching and defense, but this team is a horrible defensive team and the pitching is spotty at best. And the hitting sucks.

I hope for better, but even if they finish 82-80, they will be hard to watch all year. And when the seats are empty for most of the year and they say, "but we had a winning record," I hope they realize that winning fills the seats, but you have to generate some excitement to keep them coming back. And this team generates little excitement.

You echo my thoughts exactly.

I took my son to a game Friday to the new Huntington Park to watch the Clippers. It's a beautiful park and I had just as much fun walking around and enjoying the sights an sounds of the game with my boy as I do at GABP. And all at more than half the price and 100 miles closer to home. I usually venture down I-71 to GABP 4-5 times a year, but I don't know now. Something about this club just doesn't do it for me. I see Dunn (my son's favorite player) tearing the cover off the ball in Washington and here we are (like most of us knew we'd be) with this hideous offense. I enjoy watching Votto turn into a star and Bruce and Cueto mature, but everything else is just so frustrating. With the exception of tonight's game, it's been almost unbearable to watch Brandon Phillips at the plate. And he hits cleanup. Same with Edwin. I'm tired of defending him. He is what he is, which is average and it appears he's already hit his ceiling. This team makes stupid base-running mistakes. Plays horrible defense and with the exception of Votto, can't hit it's way out of a wet paper bag.

The thing is that 10-11 or 11-10 doesn't look too bad, but you watch and you realize that this team is way worse than it's record. Pythag has them at 8-12, but they even seem way worse than that. I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old and cranky, but I find myself looking for other things to do with my time. It's not a conscious decision. I just find that I'm not enjoying following this club like I used too.

At least my wife and I spend a little more time together. She loves that I watch more Dancing with the Stars with her now. In the past, I'd be in another room not missing one pitch of a Reds game. As I said, maybe I'm just getting old.

flyer85
04-29-2009, 09:58 AM
It's all Edwins fault!!!!!!!


;)
and Volquez ... he doesn't even try to throw strikes.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2009, 10:33 AM
I still care about the Reds, but I feel like I'm watching the game on an old black-and-white, becobwebbed TV. There's a marked distance in my emotional investment.

dsmith421
04-29-2009, 12:01 PM
I still care about the Reds, but I feel like I'm watching the game on an old black-and-white, becobwebbed TV. There's a marked distance in my emotional investment.

Once the other team gets to 2 runs I know I'm good to find something else to watch.

Falls City Beer
04-29-2009, 12:08 PM
Once the other team gets to 2 runs I know I'm good to find something else to watch.

The offense has been bad, no doubt. What's scary though is that I really don't think the other shoe has dropped with this pitching staff. I think they are due, sadly, for a correction (Harang and Arroyo no longer K batters, Volquez's control has been and probably will be a continual problem, Owings looks pretty flimsy). (And the offense for only a modest improvement). Both will be in the bottom third of the league--but more important, irrelevant.

Ltlabner
04-29-2009, 05:36 PM
I still care about the Reds, but I feel like I'm watching the game on an old black-and-white, becobwebbed TV. There's a marked distance in my emotional investment.

Same here.

I missed the first two weeks of the season because of vacation and a week of recovery and it didn't bother me in the slightest.

That's sad.