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Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:09 PM
Ross grounds out to short. It looked like he swung at a high pitch there.

Red in Chicago
05-04-2009, 11:09 PM
whew

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:09 PM
Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that would end okay with the count full on Ross.

We'll take it. Like thieves in the night, we'll take it.

Caveat Emperor
05-04-2009, 11:09 PM
Everyone still breathing? ;)

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:10 PM
Bottom of 12:

Lincoln into pitch. I don't like this at all.

Paulino up. Lincoln gets ahead 0-2. Then falls to 3-2. 2-2 pitch was a strike; not called.
He then pops to Rosales on the 3-2. 1 out

Hanley up against Lincoln. Me don't like this. Lincoln gets aheda 0-2. Three pitches K's looking. WOW! 2 out.

(Sidenote, I wonder if you pull Hernandez for Hanigan just to get him some rest before tomorrow. Volquez is pitching and Hernandez will certainly catch him)

Cantu doubles to Left.

Lincoln walks Uggla on purpose. (I like this with 1st base open)

Carroll up to end the drought. Like I've stated 1 hit so far this year.
Carroll lines past Lincoln. Phillips makes a great diving stop. Throws to second. Janish late to the bag. Safe!

Bases jucied for Baby Face Reds Killa Cody Ross
1-2 count.
2-2 count
Ross pops the curve behind home plate but foul.
3-2 count. Curve stays up.
Ross grounds to Ross on Ball 4. Janish comes across to Votto. 3 out

Going to Lucky 13, Reds 2 Marlins 2.

The Baumer
05-04-2009, 11:10 PM
My mind is blown.

What just happened?

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:10 PM
Why did the Reds burn Masset the only long guy in the bullpen earlier in the game for 1/3 of an inning? Who is the sacrificial lamb if this game keeps on going?

I am guessing Daniel Ray Herrera.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:10 PM
Wowser. This cat is running out of lives.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:10 PM
Dickerson, Votto and Phillips due up in the 13th.

Degenerate39
05-04-2009, 11:11 PM
At least Dusty can't use Harang

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:11 PM
Why did the Reds burn Masset the only long guy in the bullpen earlier in the game for 1/3 of an inning? Who is the sacrificial lamb if this game keeps on going?

I was thinking the same thing. Thom and Jeff were talking about how Nick has earned the opportunity to pitch in those situations. I am not sure how a long man should ever have that position, but hey I guess they were banking on this game being over by now.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Dickerson grounds out to short.

CarolinaRedleg
05-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Dickerson, Votto and Phillips due up in the 13th.

We just took their best punch. Good 3 to send up to counterpunch.

LoganBuck
05-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Its a little hard to have a good offense with the pitching we have.

What?!?

Had this team done one thing to avoid the trainwreck in LF, this offense would be good enough. They didn't, so here we sit gnashing our teeth.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Really need someone to go deep for the Reds, I think.

Caveat Emperor
05-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Votto is due for a big hit here.

Tom Servo
05-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Why did the Reds burn Masset the only long guy in the bullpen earlier in the game for 1/3 of an inning? Who is the sacrificial lamb if this game keeps on going?
Find a loophole to put Harang back in. ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:13 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Thom and Jeff were talking about how Nick has earned the opportunity to pitch in those situations. I am not sure how a long man should ever have that position, but hey I guess they were banking on this game being over by now.
It reminds me of the same type of thing in that marathon game in San Diego last year. That was what lead to Harang's long relief apperance last year.

Tom Servo
05-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Votto crushed it, but foul.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Dang. Votto just missed the left field pole.

Caveat Emperor
05-04-2009, 11:16 PM
Votto walks. BP needs to be bunting here.

Rounding Third
05-04-2009, 11:16 PM
It reminds me of the same type of thing in that marathon game in San Diego last year. That was what lead to Harang's long relief apperance last year.

I remember that, using the long man (Josh Fogg) for a very short time. Leave Rhodes in or put in ANY OF THE OTHER PITCHERS EXCEPT MASSETT!

medford
05-04-2009, 11:17 PM
You know BP is going to try and hit a 10 run homer here, it would be nice to see him just try to hit it the other way, and hope it falls in or at worst move the runner over.

11larkin11
05-04-2009, 11:17 PM
What?!?

Had this team done one thing to avoid the trainwreck in LF, this offense would be good enough. They didn't, so here we sit gnashing our teeth.

I thought it was solved but Gomes is in AAA for some unforseen reason and Dickerson just hasn't gotten going. We obviously all know this offense is below average, but we have guys who will progress towards their norm. My main point is, every night the game threads are flooded with how putrid our offense is. We know, give it a rest.

_Sir_Charles_
05-04-2009, 11:18 PM
Oblique strain for Gonzo...he's flying back to Cincy.

CrackerJack
05-04-2009, 11:18 PM
wow that looked like K 3 to BP

Tom Servo
05-04-2009, 11:19 PM
BP tries to hit into a Phillips but the Fish screw it up.

11larkin11
05-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Phillips, run! Got lucky on that one.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:19 PM
BP with a "shoulda been" DP.

Cyclone792
05-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Phillips is a Phillips mosheen, and he barely escapes another one.

Dude needs to swipe second base right now.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Well the predicatable was about to happen a 5-4-3 DP until the ball got away from Cantu at 1st. 2 outs.

Red in Chicago
05-04-2009, 11:19 PM
bp escapes his second dp of the night...lucky break again..

LoganBuck
05-04-2009, 11:20 PM
Do we have a emoticon of someone hammering their own hand to the floor?

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:21 PM
We must have left the steal sign back in Pittsburgh....or Sarasota.

alloverjr
05-04-2009, 11:21 PM
anemic

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:21 PM
Bruce grounds out to 2nd.

CrackerJack
05-04-2009, 11:21 PM
can't get a ball out of the infield

Cyclone792
05-04-2009, 11:22 PM
Time to get ready for more Mike Lincoln.

Are we feeling lucky again?

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:22 PM
I thought it was solved but Gomes is in AAA for some unforseen reason and Dickerson just hasn't gotten going. We obviously all know this offense is below average, but we have guys who will progress towards their norm. My main point is, every night the game threads are flooded with how putrid our offense is. We know, give it a rest.

This is a dead serious question. You want that people should pretend it isn't like it is? Just don't talk about it? Like an alcoholic in the family, everyone should tiptoe around as if it isn't there? Or only one person gets to say something and the conversation is over? Is that the rules?

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 11:22 PM
This will be a very painful loss if they lose. So many chances and they continue to fail time after time.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:23 PM
Do we have a emoticon of someone hammering their own hand to the floor?

:bowrofl:

2 hands?

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:24 PM
Badenhop grounds out to Lincoln. Marlins were out of pinch hitters.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:24 PM
This will be a very painful loss if they lose. So many chances and they continue to fail time after time.

It's going to be fun to win though.

Cyclone792
05-04-2009, 11:24 PM
Boy Mike Lincoln is thanking his lucky stars since Florida has to leadoff the inning with their pitcher.

You got a free out, Lincoln, don't blow this gift.

reds44
05-04-2009, 11:24 PM
It's a game thread. If the offense sucks in the game, it will be talked about.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:25 PM
So Marlins are out of bench. Advantage to the Reds. They have, what, Hanigan and Owings left for bats?

And Herrera and Cordero for arms?

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:25 PM
Sorry Computer Malfunction

Top of 13:

Dickerson grounded to SS. 1 out
Votto walked in a nice AB
Phillips appeared to almost ground into a DP. Forced Votto out. 2 out
Bruce grounded 4-3. 3 out.

After 12 and 1/2, Reds 2 Marlins 2.

The Baumer
05-04-2009, 11:25 PM
We are watching the Cincinnati Reds play the Florida Marlins! We get it! Can we give the game updates a rest?

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:25 PM
Amezaga flies out to left.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:26 PM
No matter the outcome of this game, this bullpen and pitching staff overall has been lights out of late. It is scary to think what kind of roll we could get on if the offense caught fire....or even just a hint of friction.

Cyclone792
05-04-2009, 11:26 PM
Looks like Gonzalez hurt his oblique swinging at pitches 18 inches outside like he normally does.

Sometimes players have nobody to blame but themselves ...

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:26 PM
We are watching the Cincinnati Reds play the Florida Marlins! We get it! Can we give the game updates a rest?

Are you referring to me? Other people seem to like it.

dsmith421
05-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Can we just have a penalty shootout and end this now?

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Bonifacio singles.

The Baumer
05-04-2009, 11:27 PM
If Lincoln gets out of this game with 3IP of scoreless baseball and the win Disney needs to make a movie about it. It will be feel good like the Rookie but way more difficult to believe it actually happened.

reds44
05-04-2009, 11:27 PM
We are watching the Cincinnati Reds play the Florida Marlins! We get it! Can we give the game updates a rest?
lol

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:27 PM
That ball went just by 3 gloves in one play. BP and Janish almost ate faces.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Lincoln has had trouble getting the third out tonight.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:27 PM
I think he is referring to FSN Ohio.

And the Reds should just go ahead and wave Bonifacio over to second.

The Baumer
05-04-2009, 11:28 PM
Are you referring to me? Other people seem to like it.

Just joking about the "don't talk about the offense" talk. Not aimed at you. :)

reds44
05-04-2009, 11:28 PM
Don't even pay attention to Bonifacio, he's going to steal anyway.

Get the hitter.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:28 PM
Son of a gun. Ramon with the gun himself. Wow.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:28 PM
Perfect throw by Hernandez to nail Bonifacio. On to 14.

*BaseClogger*
05-04-2009, 11:28 PM
edit: :D

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Ramon just lit up Bonafacio. Let's accidentally score a run!

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Bottom of 13:

Baden grounded out. 1 out
Amezega flied out to Dickerson. 2 out
Bonafacio singled to center. Phillips and Janish ran into each other. Too much range?
With Paulino batting, Hernandez guns Bonfacio out stealing. 2-4. 3 out.

After a full 13, Reds 2 Marlins 2.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:29 PM
Two shutout innings from Mike Lincoln. Yet another positive from this game. He really looked halfway decent in spots too.

WVRedsFan
05-04-2009, 11:29 PM
This is a dead serious question. You want that people should pretend it isn't like it is? Just don't talk about it? Like an alcoholic in the family, everyone should tiptoe around as if it isn't there? Or only one person gets to say something and the conversation is over? Is that the rules?

+1

It's a real problem or we wouldn't be discussing it. Talking about how wonderful it is doesn't change the fact that the Reds have 10 singles tonight. No punch, but we should be glad we have a team.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:29 PM
In the 14th due up: Hernandez, Rosales and Janish

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:30 PM
Ramon, Rosales, Janish, and then I would suspect, Owings if anyone gets on.

reds44
05-04-2009, 11:30 PM
What do I know?

Homer Bailey
05-04-2009, 11:30 PM
I hate MLB.tv. I haven't seen the gun down yet. I wont check back for a while. too much delay!

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:30 PM
Just joking about the "don't talk about the offense" talk. Not aimed at you. :)

Oh okay. Sorry, this inning recap is becoming a marathon. :)

I am a big National fan BTW.

smith288
05-04-2009, 11:30 PM
Dolphins Stadium to the brim with avid fish fans

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:31 PM
What do I know?

Thanks for setting it up though! It's kind of like that stat they show right before someone hits a walk-off or grand slam. Cue it up!

Cyclone792
05-04-2009, 11:31 PM
The Reds need to get a guy on base if nothing else than to force teh Dusty to remove Lincoln from the game.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Hernandez strikes out swinging.

LoganBuck
05-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Come on Ramon, lay off that stuff.

HeatherC1212
05-04-2009, 11:32 PM
So I've felt this urge to start singing, "This is the game that never ends" since I noticed the extra innings from this game and it's amusing me a great deal, LOL :laugh:

Is this the first extra innings game we've had this year or am I forgetting one somewhere? :confused:

LoganBuck
05-04-2009, 11:33 PM
Herrera warming up

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:33 PM
Danny H. getting loose. Coco looking pretty bored in the pen.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:33 PM
Rosales grounds out to 3rd.

Caveat Emperor
05-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Janish going yard would be the up there on the "weird way to win this game-o-meter"

HokieRed
05-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Just for the record, I like the updates, find them useful, and I think anybody ought to be free to say whatever they want about this pitiful offense.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Janish singles.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Paul Janish has been giving this team nice at-bats all year.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Hanigan hitting for Lincoln.

LoganBuck
05-04-2009, 11:35 PM
Hanigan?

Tony Cloninger
05-04-2009, 11:35 PM
The Marlins are advertising "Watch the marlins take on Jerry Hairston Jr and the Cincinnati Reds" commercials. Almost sounds as funny as "Tonight come and see, Ringo Starr and the Beatles."

smith288
05-04-2009, 11:35 PM
Fudge fudge fudge

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:35 PM
Janish singles. Hanigan PH's as the last position player. Owings obviously still available to PH. I think I would rather see Owings considering the way Ramon has called this game.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:35 PM
Hanigan lines out to short.

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:36 PM
Top 14:

Marlins broadcast bring up Regis again. Good karma for the Reds

Hernandez gets behind early 0-2. He chases a bad ball down. 1 out

Rosales bounces to 3rd. 2 out

Janish keeps hitting. Singles past a diving Hanley.

Hanigan into pinch hit? Why not Owings? Hanigan lines to Hanley. He's always in the right place. 3 out

After 13 and 1/2 innings, Reds 2 Marlins 2.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:36 PM
I have a feeling they are saving Owings to pitch. He is going to be in the Harang position from last year's San Diego game soon.

LoganBuck
05-04-2009, 11:36 PM
I am going to check a cow at midnight to see if she is in labor. If this game is still going on when I get back I will be ticked.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 11:36 PM
Badenhop entered the game with a career 6.31 ERA in 50 IP. I honestly thought the Reds would score off him. Instead, he threw three shutout innings.

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:37 PM
Think we can run this Game Thread to 50 pages deep?

I like the Reds chances next inning. Of course, only if WT will actually attempt to steal a bag.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:37 PM
Badenhop entered the game with a career 6.31 ERA in 50 IP. I honestly though the Reds would score off him. Instead, he threw three shutout innings.Badenhop's ERA for the year went from 9.00 to 5.14 tonight. The Reds can make anyone look good.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:37 PM
Badenhop entered the game with a career 6.31 ERA in 50 IP. I honestly though the Reds would score off him. Instead, he threw three shutout innings.

But think how good they made him feel about himself. They really boosted his self-esteem!

Caveat Emperor
05-04-2009, 11:38 PM
Badenhop entered the game with a career 6.31 ERA in 50 IP. I honestly though the Reds would score off him. Instead, he threw three shutout innings.

Bet they're saying the same thing about Mike Lincoln over at MarlinsZone.com. ;)

The Baumer
05-04-2009, 11:38 PM
On the positive side of things the Marlins bullpen will be so wasted for tomorrow! Oh wait...

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:38 PM
Herrera in to pitch.

flyer85
05-04-2009, 11:38 PM
if the reds get a lead and Cordero blows it a starter will likely be getting to pitch. I would have used cordero here

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:39 PM
Throw strikes, Danny. I don't care if they are all screwballs.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:39 PM
Leadoff walk to Paulino. Ramirez up.

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:39 PM
I think we may have run out of lucky beads.

reds44
05-04-2009, 11:39 PM
This isn't good.

toledodan
05-04-2009, 11:39 PM
well this game should be over soon.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 11:40 PM
A lead off walk to a light hitter with one of the top three hitters in the game on deck. Man oh man. Maybe it's time to send Herrera down if he's not going to throw strikes. He's struggled with control all season long.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:40 PM
Ramirez singles. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

SMcGavin
05-04-2009, 11:40 PM
Can't have the leadoff walk there.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:40 PM
I really don't get not using Cordero in this game.

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 11:41 PM
Looks like game over. Sad. The offense really wasted a great pitching performance.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:41 PM
I know one thing. You can't keep giving Cantu and Ross chances to win this game. Because they will eventually end it.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:42 PM
Defense wins championships.

alloverjr
05-04-2009, 11:42 PM
speed & defense

Degenerate39
05-04-2009, 11:42 PM
What a crappy way to end it

membengal
05-04-2009, 11:42 PM
Yup. Out of lucky beads.

Ah well.

Let's all pretend the offense is not an issue. That's a good plan...

Have a good one gang. See you tomorrow.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:43 PM
That is it. The defense ends the game. No one is at 2nd so Votto has to double clutch the ball. He throws to Janish for one out. Janish's throw is in the dirt and wild and the game is over.

LoganBuck
05-04-2009, 11:43 PM
Game over.

Yuck.

Speed and Defense on display tonight.

On the plus side what an effort for the pitching staff.

Too bad the three headed monster of Castellini, Jocketty, and Baker sabotaged the offense. What a waste.

Red in Chicago
05-04-2009, 11:43 PM
4.5 hours for that ending...sigh

OnBaseMachine
05-04-2009, 11:43 PM
Routine doubleplay and they botch it. LOL. Reds lose. This one belongs to the offense. Should be 14-11 and already have a winning roadtrip clinched.

fisch11
05-04-2009, 11:43 PM
Thanks to all who shared this game with me. Misery loves company. Get em tomorrow.

flyer85
05-04-2009, 11:44 PM
that was offensive

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:45 PM
Bottom of 14:

Danny Ray pitching

Paulino up. He walks on a 3-2. No one to pinch hit for the big fellow.

(Dusty did not double switch, Hernandez will catch the rest of the game; however long that might be)

Hanley up. He singles on the first pitch by a diving Janish.

Danny falls behind 2-0 to Cantu. Cantu then grounds sharpy to Votto who throws to Janish 1 out and then he throws it in the dirt by Danny.
(Could have been caught) Paulino scores.

I'm tired. The Reds offense is garbage. Johnson was on his game, but after that is despicable.

BTW, Hanley was clear over trying to take Janish out. Wasn't a clear take out, but he was out of the baseline.

Regardless, ends in embarassing fashion Marlins 3 Reds 2.

NC Reds
05-04-2009, 11:45 PM
Ramirez was out of the baseline on that slide. Bad call.

Red in Chicago
05-04-2009, 11:46 PM
Ramirez was out of the baseline on that slide. Bad call.

yeah, i just saw the clip on mlb network...didn't see it until then...

Tony Cloninger
05-04-2009, 11:46 PM
Exactly....out of the baseline very clearly and no argument. I guess everyone is tired and wanted to go home.

Reds Fanatic
05-04-2009, 11:46 PM
The Reds get 11 singles all night. 1 for 10 with runners in scoring position and they only got 3 hits in 6 2/3 innings against the Marlins bullpen.

dabvu2498
05-04-2009, 11:47 PM
Routine doubleplay and they botch it. LOL. Reds lose. This one belongs to the offense. Should be 14-11 and already have a winning roadtrip clinched. 3-6-1 doubleplays are generally not routine.

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:48 PM
Routine doubleplay and they botch it. LOL. Reds lose. This one belongs to the offense. Should be 14-11 and already have a winning roadtrip clinched.

That double play was anything but routine. Cantu stung it so hard, Janish wasn't even able to take the throw without a double pump from Votto. Herrea also had to come from the mound in a short time. Janish should have kept the ball in his pocket, but that's the small 1st baseman in the league he was throwing too!

Oh well, their offense was to blame. Amazing how the game pretty much started and ended with an error; 14 innings apart.

WVRedsFan
05-04-2009, 11:48 PM
Good Lord. I don't care how good your pitching is, the name of the game is scoring runs. When the three coming up (at one point) were Janish, McDonald, and Traveras, I should have known this was hopeless. Oh well.

alloverjr
05-04-2009, 11:49 PM
Exactly....out of the baseline very clearly and no argument. I guess everyone is tired and wanted to go home.

Dusty tired of watching a roster he helped to construct struggle to to put back to back hits together with any regularity. Of course having Phillips follow Votto on a nightly basis will ensure this.

HokieRed
05-04-2009, 11:49 PM
We'll lose 85 games minimum without major offensive change.

forfreelin04
05-04-2009, 11:52 PM
Big time missed opportunities for steals with Willy T and Phillips tonight. They didn't even look like they were going too.

Best thing that can happen to the Reds in 2009 is they fall below .500, and provoke Bob C to say something stupid so Walt brings in a cleanup hitter.

WVRedsFan
05-04-2009, 11:54 PM
Big time missed opportunities for steals with Willy T and Phillips tonight. They didn't even look like they were going too.

Best thing that can happen to the Reds in 2009 is they fall below .500, and provoke Bob C to say something stupid so Walt brings in a cleanup hitter.

...and a shortstop with a big stick.

SirFelixCat
05-04-2009, 11:57 PM
Things I am taking from this game:


I thought this team was built on speed? For the love of all that is good and holy, how are our 'speedsters' not even trying to steal bases?

Please, God, please get some damn offense for this team.

Great job by the BP tonight, including Lincoln. His yakker was just filthy.

Yeah, that's all I got.

HokieRed
05-04-2009, 11:59 PM
Is it time to exchange Herrera for somebody like Roenicke or Fisher?

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 12:02 AM
If Gonzalez goes on the DL, that means Hairston will play SS. So much for improved defense. Gonzalez is no longer a great defending SS but he's still a huge upgrade over Hairston. Hairston makes Keppinger look great. I know Janish is on the roster but there's no way Dusty will play him over Hairston.

SirFelixCat
05-05-2009, 12:05 AM
If Gonzalez goes on the DL, that means Hairston will play SS. So much for improved defense. Gonzalez is no longer a great defending SS but he's still a huge upgrade over Hairston. Hairston makes Keppinger look great. I know Janish is on the roster but there's no way Dusty will play him over Hairston.

Ya know it's sad when this very thing was said by my GF, who, prior to this year, had all but no interest in baseball. I hope Dusty proves us wrong, but we know he won't.

RedsManRick
05-05-2009, 12:08 AM
No matter what kind of team you build, you have to execute your game. The Reds didn't do it to night. A poor executing speed and defense team is no better than a poor executing slugging one.

SirFelixCat
05-05-2009, 12:10 AM
I'd assume that it's Richar that is called up, right? When AGon goes on the DL...it certainly can't/won't be Vailaka...Bankston deserves it, but he's an OF, unless, as predicted that JHJ is your everyday SS. Then that would make sense to call up Bankston as a BU OF, right?

alloverjr
05-05-2009, 12:12 AM
No matter what kind of team you build, you have to execute your game. The Reds didn't do it to night. A poor executing speed and defense team is no better than a poor executing slugging one.

I think the lack of overall talent talent 1 thru 8 has much more to do with the "poor execution" than just poor execution - if that makes any sense.

alloverjr
05-05-2009, 12:14 AM
I'd assume that it's Richar that is called up, right? When AGon goes on the DL...it certainly can't/won't be Vailaka...Bankston deserves it, but he's an OF, unless, as predicted that JHJ is your everyday SS. Then that would make sense to call up Bankston as a BU OF, right?

I think any move involving Bankston has to involve McDonald.

Red in Chicago
05-05-2009, 12:30 AM
...and a shortstop with a big stick.

they're not growing on trees...rollins and hardy ops'ing less than gonzo

WVRedsFan
05-05-2009, 02:37 AM
they're not growing on trees...rollins and hardy ops'ing less than gonzo
I know. We all know. I still conend that you can have a shortstop who doesn't hit, but you must have the other positions hitting. That means Janish just isn't the ticket. Neither is Hairston. Left field?

WVRedsFan
05-05-2009, 02:54 AM
One more thing...

Much was made tonight about harping on the hitting. Worry. Truth is, it's more than an appropriate topic. Yes, Phillips, Edwin (when he comes back), and Bruce will hit in time. But what of Gonzalez, Hariston, and Dickerson? I don't know. Gonzo had a year off (and he played little the year before), so rust might be settling in or maybe he's had it. time will tell. Hairston had a career year last year, but he looks like the JHJ or yesteryear these days. I think someone got fooled. Dickerson bloomed late, or did he? I think we're seeing the answer. That leaves left field a great wasteland (unless you go with the hot hand--Nix or bring Gomes up). Sad.

I do know a couple of things (which you can shoot holes in):

1. Leaving our pitchers a razon-thin percentage of error will only make future games more apt to causing losses. Oru pitchers are great, but giving them 2 runs to work with is inhuman. And using the excuse that this pitcher or the other is really pitching well doesn't compute when that pitcher is hit by everyone but the Reds.

2. Smallball is good when the players you have can execute it. We don't have those players.

3. When Dunn and Griffey (with their potential of 65 HR's and 200 RBI's) were sent packing for Massett and Owings, did anyone in the FO even consider where that production was going to come from? Did they actually think that they could win games while the pitcher allowed 2-3 runs if the offense didn't have the ability to score 4?

In 14 of the 25 games played this year, the Reds have scored 3 or less runs. they are 4-10 in those games. In games they have scored more than 3 runs they are 9-3. Runs matter. Defense and pitching be damned, runs matter and whoever put this team together forgot that. And whoever made the decision to bring McDonald over Gomes needs to be committed. You must hit the ball and you must score. The Reds have proven that.

Ron Madden
05-05-2009, 03:16 AM
Top of 6:

Willy T tries to bunt. Called a strike, either on the attempt or the pitch. Willy T K's looking. Terrible at bat. 1 out

Dickerson singles on the 0-1 by a diving Uggla.

(Let's see if he steals)

Dickerson takes off. Votto swings and misses, Dickerson out dead to rights. Acrobatic and nice tag by Ramereiz. He's single handedly winning this game for Flordia. 2 out




Could've been a hit and run that Joey just swung thruogh.

:confused:

Ron Madden
05-05-2009, 03:50 AM
Willy T gets behind 0-2. Johnson befuddles him. UNTIL NOW! Willy T singles in front of Maybin.

Dickerson looks at 2 strikes on the outside corner. (IMO they are off the plate) He then singles to LF on a 1-2 pitch. Nice day at the plate for Dickerson. Runners on 1st and 2nd.

I believe Dickerson looked at those two strikes in order to give Taveras a chance to steal second base.

I agree with others in this thread who question the value of Taveras if he can't steal a base in situations like this.

:(

Ron Madden
05-05-2009, 04:25 AM
My main point is, every night the game threads are flooded with how putrid our offense is. We know, give it a rest.

I'd rather read a truthful game thread than look at 32 pictures of kitty cats.

;)

15fan
05-05-2009, 08:56 AM
Ramirez was out of the baseline on that slide. Bad call.

Yep. Janish threw the relay from short center field and still had to hurdle Ramirez to get the throw away.

:thumbdown

durl
05-05-2009, 09:13 AM
3. When Dunn and Griffey (with their potential of 65 HR's and 200 RBI's) were sent packing for Massett and Owings, did anyone in the FO even consider where that production was going to come from? Did they actually think that they could win games while the pitcher allowed 2-3 runs if the offense didn't have the ability to score 4?

In 14 of the 25 games played this year, the Reds have scored 3 or less runs. they are 4-10 in those games. In games they have scored more than 3 runs they are 9-3. Runs matter. Defense and pitching be damned, runs matter and whoever put this team together forgot that. And whoever made the decision to bring McDonald over Gomes needs to be committed. You must hit the ball and you must score. The Reds have proven that.

I can't point to specific posts, but I seem to recall quite a few people on this board thinking that average outfielders could produce enough offense to make up for the departure of Dunn and Griffey. "Runs would be saved because of better defense..." "Fewer strikeouts means better OBP which translates to more runs..." Stuff like that.

redsmetz
05-05-2009, 10:02 AM
I can't point to specific posts, but I seem to recall quite a few people on this board thinking that average outfielders could produce enough offense to make up for the departure of Dunn and Griffey. "Runs would be saved because of better defense..." "Fewer strikeouts means better OBP which translates to more runs..." Stuff like that.

It's interesting to look at the breakdown of the games where we scored three or fewer runs. As was noted, we won four of those games and lost ten. Of those ten games that we lost, six were blowouts where we lost by an average of 6.50 runs (two @ 5, one @ 6, one @ 7, two @ 8). We lost three by one run and the other by three runs. Certainly more offense in three of those games (including last night's), and our record would be appreciably better.

I'm in the camp that the offense will improve. I really don't believe that Encarnacion and Phillips will remain in the doldrums and that's a quarter of our offense. Despite the lackluster offense, we're still above .500 and not out of it and this from a club that most of us assumed would not, and could not, contend.

SirFelixCat
05-05-2009, 01:08 PM
I believe Dickerson looked at those two strikes in order to give Taveras a chance to steal second base.

I agree with others in this thread who question the value of Taveras if he can't steal a base in situations like this.

:(

I agree wholeheartedly w/ this. His value to this team is to turn BB's and singles into doubles and he has done that at a surprisingly low rate.

Razor Shines
05-05-2009, 01:39 PM
I can't point to specific posts, but I seem to recall quite a few people on this board thinking that average outfielders could produce enough offense to make up for the departure of Dunn and Griffey. "Runs would be saved because of better defense..." "Fewer strikeouts means better OBP which translates to more runs..." Stuff like that.

I don't think an argument was made that getting rid of Griffey and Dunn would improve OBP. And I certainly don't believe that fewer strike outs translates to higher OBP. Look at the leaders in OBP and you'll see some pretty high strike out rates.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2009, 01:55 PM
I didn't notice just how far Hanley Ramirez was out of the baseline last night on the game ending botched doubleplay until just now when I saw the replay on Sportscenter. What the heck was the umpire looking at? Ramirez was out of the baseline by five feet. The umpire must have wanted to get the game over with it so he could go home.

WVRedsFan
05-05-2009, 02:16 PM
I can't point to specific posts, but I seem to recall quite a few people on this board thinking that average outfielders could produce enough offense to make up for the departure of Dunn and Griffey. "Runs would be saved because of better defense..." "Fewer strikeouts means better OBP which translates to more runs..." Stuff like that.

I can't remember the OBP argument as related to strikeouts, but there were some who believed that Dickerson and somebody could do that--make up for the loss of production. It's early. Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic.

WVRedsFan
05-05-2009, 02:28 PM
It's interesting to look at the breakdown of the games where we scored three or fewer runs. As was noted, we won four of those games and lost ten. Of those ten games that we lost, six were blowouts where we lost by an average of 6.50 runs (two @ 5, one @ 6, one @ 7, two @ 8). We lost three by one run and the other by three runs. Certainly more offense in three of those games (including last night's), and our record would be appreciably better.

I'm in the camp that the offense will improve. I really don't believe that Encarnacion and Phillips will remain in the doldrums and that's a quarter of our offense. Despite the lackluster offense, we're still above .500 and not out of it and this from a club that most of us assumed would not, and could not, contend.
I want to believe the offense will improve, but I'm a little worried. Even if Dickerson, Hairston, and Phillips go back to norms, Reds will still be pretty much a punchless team. The only reliable power the team has--Bruce and Votto--can't do it all. Witness the 11 singles last night. I worry about Encarnacion's wrist and him coming back and the shortstop position is scary. That's in addition to left field. Not a pretty picture. I contend that you cannot continue to place this much pressure on a pitching staff. Sooner or later they will break.

Other than more offense, that above .500 record won't last long. Look at the Pirates who were flying high earlier and now are below .500 and sinking.