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VR
05-06-2009, 01:38 AM
Shutout tonight boosts them up to #1....k totals quickly rising as well.


In gets old doesn't it?...year after year after year after year, stellar pitching.


To think that Owings would have been the ace of the staff 3-4 years ago....now he's barely the 5th.

WVRedsFan
05-06-2009, 02:02 AM
Your tongue was so firmly in cheek that I bet it's bleeding, VR :)

I just wish we could put it all together. For nearly ten years, we had awesome hitting and no pitching. Now we have awesome pitching and sub par hitting.

Someday. Maybe.

The Baumer
05-06-2009, 04:05 AM
I like the Reds.

M2
05-06-2009, 06:22 AM
Pitching well is cool and there's nothing not to like about it.

Always Red
05-06-2009, 06:36 AM
Don't wake me up.

MikeS21
05-06-2009, 06:59 AM
It was definitely a strange sensation glancing at the standings and seeing the Reds ranked #1 in pitching.

RFS62
05-06-2009, 07:24 AM
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...

Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!

Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

RedFanAlways1966
05-06-2009, 07:24 AM
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Love it. :thumbup:

cumberlandreds
05-06-2009, 07:38 AM
This may be the best run of pitching I have seen in my 38 years of being a Reds fan. It's pretty amazing. I just hope it will last.

hebroncougar
05-06-2009, 07:53 AM
They'll never be able to develop or attract good pitching with that ballpark.

nate
05-06-2009, 08:10 AM
I think it's safe to say we've de-Miltonfied.

lollipopcurve
05-06-2009, 08:19 AM
Krivsky trades for Arroyo and Volquez. Signs Arroyo and Harang to LTCs. Does not trade Cueto for Bedard. Signs Cordero. Gotta give the guy credit.

The plan has been clear. Build the future with pitching.

It could be that the future has arrived. Will there be bats for sale?

Strikes Out Looking
05-06-2009, 08:26 AM
Krivsky trades for Arroyo and Volquez. Signs Arroyo and Harang to LTCs. Does not trade Cueto for Bedard. Signs Cordero. Gotta give the guy credit.

The plan has been clear. Build the future with pitching.

It could be that the future has arrived. Will there be bats for sale?

There are always bats for sale, the problem as we saw this offseason is the price for said bats.

hebroncougar
05-06-2009, 08:33 AM
I think it's safe to say we've de-Miltonfied.

Well, we've still got the teases of Scott Scudder, Ty Howington, Lance Davis, Jack Armstrong, Larry Luebbers, Rob Bell, Tim Pugh, John Roper, Pat Pacillo, and Jay Tibbs to go, so let's keep the good pitching up. :)

nate
05-06-2009, 08:56 AM
Well, we've still got the teases of Scott Scudder, Ty Howington, Lance Davis, Jack Armstrong, Larry Luebbers, Rob Bell, Tim Pugh, John Roper, Pat Pacillo, and Jay Tibbs to go, so let's keep the good pitching up. :)

I think one more scan of the carpet with the UV light will reveal their total eradication!

I hope...

:cool:

HeatherC1212
05-06-2009, 09:00 AM
The Reds are leading all of ML baseball in pitching.....welcome to bizarro world, LOL :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:08 AM
For nearly ten years, we had awesome hitting and no pitching.

Personally, I'm still trying to recall the 10 years of awesome hitting. Because I sure don't remember it. Lots of dingers...but "hitting"...not so much.

But who cares....we've got a rotation of studs. I'm a happy camper. :O)

cumberlandreds
05-06-2009, 09:20 AM
Personally, I'm still trying to recall the 10 years of awesome hitting. Because I sure don't remember it. Lots of dingers...but "hitting"...not so much.

But who cares....we've got a rotation of studs. I'm a happy camper. :O)

1970 to 1979 was an awsome hitting stretch. Maybe that was it?

Chip R
05-06-2009, 09:23 AM
Pitching well is cool.


Ayyyyyyy!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/70/The_fonz_thumbs_up.jpg/250px-The_fonz_thumbs_up.jpg

nate
05-06-2009, 09:23 AM
Personally, I'm still trying to recall the 10 years of awesome hitting. Because I sure don't remember it. Lots of dingers...but "hitting"...not so much.

But who cares....we've got a rotation of studs. I'm a happy camper. :O)

It was pretty awesome relative to the pitching.

Az Red
05-06-2009, 09:30 AM
...and yet no Reds listed on Baseball Tonights list of young guns last night.....


Go figure!

Chip R
05-06-2009, 09:36 AM
...and yet no Reds listed on Baseball Tonights list of young guns last night.....


Go figure!


You still watch Baseball Tonight?

George Anderson
05-06-2009, 09:52 AM
When was the last time the Reds led MLB in ERA? Past April anyway.

Tommyjohn25
05-06-2009, 09:58 AM
...and yet no Reds listed on Baseball Tonights list of young guns last night.....

Don't you know there was a Red Sox/Yankees game last night?! There isn't time for anything else! Come on now!! :cool:


You still watch Baseball Tonight?


Probably doesn't get MLB Network...I remeber those days. They were dark times indeed.

RichRed
05-06-2009, 09:58 AM
...and yet no Reds listed on Baseball Tonights list of young guns last night.....


Go figure!

Volquez and the Reds-Marlins highlights led off the 8 AM version of "Quick Pitch" on the MLB Network this morning.

I mentioned last night that Baseball Tonight is like remedial baseball compared to MLB Network.

Tommyjohn25
05-06-2009, 10:00 AM
Volquez and the Reds-Marlins highlights led off the 8 AM version of "Quick Pitch" on the MLB Network this morning.

I mentioned last night that Baseball Tonight is like remedial baseball compared to MLB Network.

Yes.

westofyou
05-06-2009, 10:00 AM
It was definitely a strange sensation glancing at the standings and seeing the Reds ranked #1 in pitching.

And the Dodgers #1 in Runs scored. In fact the Dodgers are on pace to score the most runs they have since 1953, the Reds OTOH are on pace to score as much as the 1989 Reds.

FYI most shutouts by Reds since 1969



SHUTOUTS YEAR SHO
1 Reds 1973 15
T2 Reds 1988 10
T2 Reds 1977 10
T2 Reds 1981 10
T5 Reds 1970 9
T5 Reds 1972 9
T5 Reds 1974 9
T5 Reds 1980 9
9 Reds 1976 8
T10 Reds 1971 7
T10 Reds 1979 7
T10 Reds 1985 7
T10 Reds 1969 7

Scrap Irony
05-06-2009, 10:07 AM
So, if I'm reading this list properly, are you telling me, WOY, that the Reds already have as many shutouts as they did in any season over the past 20 years?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

westofyou
05-06-2009, 10:15 AM
So, if I'm reading this list properly, are you telling me, WOY, that the Reds already have as many shutouts as they did in any season over the past 20 years?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

CINCINNATI REDS
SEASON
1969-2008

RSAA--Runs saved against average. It's the amount of runs that a pitcher saved vs. what an average pitcher would have allowed. It's the same stat as Total Baseball's Pitching Runs,


SHUTOUTS YEAR SHO RSAA
1 Reds 1973 15 -12
T2 Reds 1988 10 47
T2 Reds 1977 10 -48
T2 Reds 1981 10 -21
T5 Reds 1970 9 76
T5 Reds 1972 9 -8
T5 Reds 1974 9 21
T5 Reds 1980 9 -24
9 Reds 1976 8 13
T10 Reds 1971 7 -8
T10 Reds 1979 7 1
T10 Reds 1985 7 6
T10 Reds 1969 7 -90
14 Reds 1986 6 -2
T15 Reds 1996 5 -18
T15 Reds 1990 5 66
T15 Reds 1989 5 -13
T15 Reds 1983 5 -35
T15 Reds 1982 5 7
T20 Reds 1975 4 58
T20 Reds 1993 4 -81
T20 Reds 1984 4 -48
T20 Reds 1992 4 14
T24 Reds 2006 3 53
T24 Reds 1978 3 -18
T24 Reds 1998 3 -20
T24 Reds 1999 3 89
T28 Reds 1995 2 6
T28 Reds 1987 2 1
T28 Reds 1994 2 50
T28 Reds 2004 2 -197
T28 Reds 2007 2 -52
T33 Reds 2000 1 109
T33 Reds 2001 1 -77
T33 Reds 2008 1 -21
T33 Reds 2002 1 27
T33 Reds 2003 1 -133
T33 Reds 1991 1 32

Homer Bailey
05-06-2009, 11:13 AM
Also the only team in the majors to win 10 games on the road might I add.

fearofpopvol1
05-06-2009, 11:16 AM
so there is a very realistic chance that this team could throw more shutouts than any other Reds staff since 1969? it still may be a stretch to catch the '73 Reds, but maybe not.

Chip R
05-06-2009, 11:21 AM
Also the only team in the majors to win 10 games on the road might I add.


The Dodgers are undefeated at home. When the Reds play them in L.A. something has to give. ;)

Scrap Irony
05-06-2009, 11:26 AM
That's a west coast swing, meaning Cincinnati may not only lose, but get swept and have two or three guys get injured all while wives divorce husbands and pets get run over.

Those west coast swings have historically been absolutely brutal to the Reds.

Chip R
05-06-2009, 11:29 AM
That's a west coast swing, meaning Cincinnati may not only lose, but get swept and have two or three guys get injured all while wives divorce husbands and pets get run over.

Those west coast swings have historically been absolutely brutal to the Reds.


Well, it's 3 in L.A. then 3 in CHI. Next week's going to be the big west coast swing with 3 in AZ then 3 in S.D.

SirFelixCat
05-06-2009, 11:31 AM
Wow, Johnny Cueto is 4th in MLB in Game Score Avg (64)...impressive!

nate
05-06-2009, 11:43 AM
It's interesting because the Reds' staff is middle of the pack in K/9. I would've thought them to be much closer to the top 5 than that.

RedEye
05-06-2009, 11:54 AM
I just wish we could put it all together. For nearly ten years, we had awesome hitting and no pitching. Now we have awesome pitching and sub par hitting.


Before reading this (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75494) thread I would have said the same thing. Now I just think the Reds of the past ten years weren't terribly good at anything. So, yeah, it's nice for them to be really good at something now--no matter how fleeting it might end up being.

Far East
05-06-2009, 11:56 AM
Last individual Red to lead the league in shutouts: Tom Seaver, 1979, tied with Joe Niekro (HOU) and Steve Rogers (MON).

5 shutouts, but back when many more pitchers had more complete games.

westofyou
05-06-2009, 11:58 AM
Before reading this (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75494) thread I would have said the same thing. Now I just think the Reds of the past ten years weren't terribly good at anything. So, yeah, it's nice for them to be really good at something now--no matter how fleeting it might end up being.

They were really good at disappointing all the fans uniformly.

RedEye
05-06-2009, 12:00 PM
They were really good at disappointing all the fans uniformly.

You make a good point. I stand corrected. :)

Mario-Rijo
05-06-2009, 12:21 PM
It's interesting because the Reds' staff is middle of the pack in K/9. I would've thought them to be much closer to the top 5 than that.

And they usually end up higher than that, well at least last year. No quest-tec or the opposition should come down very soon?

gm
05-06-2009, 12:22 PM
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...

Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!

Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Classic, here's my favorite movie line to cover these kind of situations:

If the Reds ever lead the league in pitching ERA, I foresee only one possibility: the encounter could create a time paradox, the results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space time continuum, and destroy the entire universe! Granted, that's a worse case scenario. The destruction might in fact be very localized, limited to merely our own galaxy.

It's kind of what Packer fans are feeling about seeing Brett Favre wearing purple?

Mario-Rijo
05-06-2009, 12:30 PM
Classic, here's my favorite movie line to cover these kind of situations:

If the Reds ever lead the league in pitching ERA, I foresee only one possibility: the encounter could create a time paradox, the results of which could cause a chain reaction that would unravel the very fabric of the space time continuum, and destroy the entire universe! Granted, that's a worse case scenario. The destruction might in fact be very localized, limited to merely our own galaxy.

It's kind of what Packer fans are feeling about seeing Brett Favre wearing purple?

Great Scott Marty, what will we do? :confused:

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 12:37 PM
You still watch Baseball Tonight?

Exactly. Try the MLB network...MLB Tonight. Their coverage is TONS better IMO. Lots of indepth insight too.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 12:40 PM
It's interesting because the Reds' staff is middle of the pack in K/9. I would've thought them to be much closer to the top 5 than that.

It wasn't until this past week that we started racking up the K's. Up until then the whole staff was really behind in that department. But it was okay, we made up for it with extra walks. *grin*

tripleaaaron
05-06-2009, 01:12 PM
I like the Reds.

I am not sure why, but that is hilarious. By the way this is my first post in the ORG and I thank you for all who gave me the opportunity. Wanted my first post to be a great one, but for some odd reason this post raised me from my rainy day funk and put a smile on my face.

RED VAN HOT
05-06-2009, 01:47 PM
With this pitching I feel as if the Reds could win any game, with the possible exception of one pitched by Oswalt. Should the Reds slip into the wild card spot with a 82-80 record, they would have as good a chance as any other team to win it all. Even an anemic hitting team has an above average chance of winning when it pitches a shutout.

RedlegJake
05-06-2009, 02:22 PM
With this pitching I feel as if the Reds could win any game, with the possible exception of one pitched by Oswalt. Should the Reds slip into the wild card spot with a 82-80 record, they would have as good a chance as any other team to win it all. Even an anemic hitting team has an above average chance of winning when it pitches a shutout.

This a point I think Walt has to be looking at - pitching wins in the post season. Offense can get you there in the long grind of a season but it's almost always comes down to dominant pitching in October. These guys might just be that good. At some point I hope they say wait a minute - with this kind of pitching we could be the surprise of baseball this year and get a legitimate bat for the cleanup spot. IF - and that's a big if, these guys continue to dominate like this you must take a shot at it all.

OldXOhio
05-06-2009, 02:28 PM
Krivsky trades for Arroyo and Volquez. Signs Arroyo and Harang to LTCs. Does not trade Cueto for Bedard. Signs Cordero. Gotta give the guy credit.

The plan has been clear. Build the future with pitching.

It could be that the future has arrived. Will there be bats for sale?

I was thinking the same thing, along with the emphasis on defense. I'm pretty sure the team would look much the same at this point if WK still were in charge.

PuffyPig
05-06-2009, 02:33 PM
With this pitching I feel as if the Reds could win any game, with the possible exception of one pitched by Oswalt.


In two games against us this year, Oswalt is 0-0 (the Astros are 1-1).

Good pitching can even neutralize unbeatable pitchers.

knuckler
05-06-2009, 05:58 PM
And they're doing it with all their home games in GABP!

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 06:32 PM
And they're doing it with all their home games in GABP!

Well, not quite. Their play at home has something to be desired so far. On the road though...NICE.

Homer Bailey
05-06-2009, 06:46 PM
Well, not quite. Their play at home has something to be desired so far. On the road though...NICE.

I think he was referring to the fact that the team ERA is best in the bigs despite playing 11 out of 26 games at GABP, which only makes the feat even more impressive.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 06:53 PM
Okay, that I can go along with.

But at some point in time, they need to start showing that fire in the home stadium. You'll never rebuild the fan-base if they continue to really only show it on the road.

Homer Bailey
05-06-2009, 06:58 PM
Okay, that I can go along with.

But at some point in time, they need to start showing that fire in the home stadium. You'll never rebuild the fan-base if they continue to really only show it on the road.

Very true. It's going to take a long time to rebuild our fanbase, I'm sad to say.

Scrap Irony
05-06-2009, 07:09 PM
One season of winning will rebuild the fanbase.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 07:11 PM
One season of winning will rebuild the fanbase.

Well, I don't agree with that...but it's certainly a good start.

westofyou
05-06-2009, 07:26 PM
One season of winning will rebuild the fanbase.

10%. .. no more.

nate
05-06-2009, 07:42 PM
10%. .. no more.

So you're saying we'll need 10 seasons of winning baseball?

I can get with that.

:cool:

membengal
05-06-2009, 08:45 PM
It was fun while it lasted. I would assume they lead the league in ERA no longer...

Falls City Beer
05-06-2009, 08:51 PM
It was fun while it lasted. I would assume they lead the league in ERA no longer...

10-4. Who knows how many slots that dropped them?

tripleaaaron
05-06-2009, 11:24 PM
We were not the only team that suffered today. San Fran, #2 in ERA going into today gave up 11 runs, so we stay ahead of them.
#3 Kan City gave up only 1 run tonight so they will move to 1st as the #4 Dodgers have also given up 1 run through 4 innings. If they can keep from giving up more than 7 runs they too will pass us by.
#5 Pitts gave up 4 runs tonight and they will also pass us by, #6 Seattle gave up 9 tonight and will stay below us. #7 Oakland has given up 3 runs through 5 innings and will probably not catch us. It looks as if we end the day at #4 in ERA.

Always Red
05-07-2009, 07:15 AM
Don't wake me up.

OK, who woke me up?? :D

jojo
05-07-2009, 08:53 AM
Oakland has given up 3 runs through 5 innings and will probably not catch us. It looks as if we end the day at #4 in ERA.

Make that #8.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2009, 09:50 AM
Pitching was due for a correction, and of all the candidates to swing the pendulum back, Arroyo was as good as any.

hebroncougar
05-07-2009, 10:29 AM
Janish is killing our team ERA.

gm
05-07-2009, 12:29 PM
Last night's pitching performance reminds me of a chapter title from a Western Civ textbook

"Return to normalcy"

jojo
05-07-2009, 12:41 PM
Last night's pitching performance reminds me of a chapter title from a Western Civ textbook

"Return to normalcy"

At least nobody was at GABP to actually see it....

Rojo
05-07-2009, 12:50 PM
Thanks a lot jinxies.

M2
05-07-2009, 02:45 PM
Having the best overall ERA in MLB for a day is fun, what the Reds ought to be after is to finish the season with a better than average ERA in the NL. That would be a tremendous gain for the franchise.

nate
05-07-2009, 02:48 PM
Due to the nature of homonyms, the title of this thread will always be true!

Rojo
05-07-2009, 03:27 PM
Due to the nature of homonyms, the title of this thread will always be true!


That's the metal, not the past tense.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2009, 03:33 PM
Having the best overall ERA in MLB for a day is fun, what the Reds ought to be after is to finish the season with a better than average ERA in the NL. That would be a tremendous gain for the franchise.

Well, after tonight, the Brewers will be in front of the Reds, so that's one more team in front of the Reds. I think the Reds have plunked their team-ERA-ceiling and are headed down for a bit. They'll be lucky to plateau at about average in the NL.

As far as little victories, it only matters if they are able to repeat it (or better yet, best it) next season.

nate
05-07-2009, 03:34 PM
That's the metal, not the past tense.

If this keeps up, it will be strangely appropriate though!

M2
05-07-2009, 03:44 PM
As far as little victories, it only matters if they are able to repeat it (or better yet, best it) next season.

True, you've got to repeat it a few times before you can consider it a permanent improvement. I was just noting that a passable pitching staff would be a relatively huge improvement for a club that gives up 800+ runs a year.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2009, 05:55 PM
Well, after tonight, the Brewers will be in front of the Reds, so that's one more team in front of the Reds. I think the Reds have plunked their team-ERA-ceiling and are headed down for a bit. They'll be lucky to plateau at about average in the NL.

As far as little victories, it only matters if they are able to repeat it (or better yet, best it) next season.

Well, considering you can't get any higher than #1, I think you may be right. :thumbup:

Falls City Beer
05-07-2009, 09:11 PM
I'm more than delighted that the Reds don't have to throw both Owings and Arroyo at the Cards this weekend. That would make for some unwatchable baseball.

WebScorpion
05-10-2009, 12:24 AM
The 2009 Cincinnati Reds are now 4th in MLB in ERA. They do lead both leagues in 2 pitching categories, though... Shutouts and blown saves. They are one up on the Tigers in shutouts with 6 and they are the ONLY team in the majors with 0 blown saves. :thumbup: It's not just the starters...this bullpen has started the season pretty hot. ;)