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flash
05-06-2009, 08:18 AM
In the last four shutouts Dusty has relieved the starter in the ninth inning. I realize in Volquez's first shutout he only had a three run lead, but in the other games the Reds were up 4, 5, and 7 runs. The pitch counts were not really high either. Why not let the starter go for the big zero?

OldRed1966
05-06-2009, 08:21 AM
In the last four shutouts Dusty has relieved the starter in the ninth inning. I realize in Volquez's first shutout he only had a three run lead, but in the other games the Reds were up 4, 5, and 7 runs. The pitch counts were not really high either. Why not let the starter go for the big zero?


Volquez was at 110 pitches last night after 8 innings. That's pretty high. I know in the game that Cueto went 8 innings that he told Dusty he was gassed, and wanted out.

Eric_the_Red
05-06-2009, 08:28 AM
I could just see Dusty leaving them in and the pitchers struggling or getting hurt, then the board would be all over Dusty for "ruining young arms again". Dusty can't win with fans in this town.

tommycash
05-06-2009, 08:37 AM
I could just see Dusty leaving them in and the pitchers struggling or getting hurt, then the board would be all over Dusty for "ruining young arms again". Dusty can't win with fans in this town.

I was thinking the same thing.

flash
05-06-2009, 08:43 AM
I'm not disagreeing. If a pitcher says he is done then he's done. Take him out. And the bullpen does need some work.

Bumstead
05-06-2009, 08:43 AM
Why is it important to have complete games? I think it's more important to keep these guys healthy and not have them throw too many pitches at this stage in their careers. Also, the bullpen is rested; no reason to leave Volquez out there beyond 110 pitches as far as I am concerned. If he had a no-hitter going then I put him back out there, otherwise, get a fresh arm out there and let Voquez/Cueto start preparing for the next game.

Bum

lidspinner
05-06-2009, 08:49 AM
Why is it important to have complete games? I think it's more important to keep these guys healthy and not have them throw too many pitches at this stage in their careers. Also, the bullpen is rested; no reason to leave Volquez out there beyond 110 pitches as far as I am concerned. If he had a no-hitter going then I put him back out there, otherwise, get a fresh arm out there and let Voquez/Cueto start preparing for the next game.

Bum


EXACTLY....he is making sure they are ready for the stretch run after the all star break. These guys are young and push their bodies farther than needed, Dusty is doing this the right way. Winnign cures alot of things but I see Dusty as doing EXACTLY what is needed here.

PedroBourbon
05-06-2009, 10:26 AM
Chris Welsh addressed this the other night when they took Cueto out. He mentioned that the "complete game" stat is not really a big deal anymore (shut out or not.) He also mentioned that you have to have some work for the middle relief guys in real game situations so that they don't have long stretches without pitching.

Personally, I would like them to have the CG shutout, but it's probably better to give it a break.

Ghosts of 1990
05-06-2009, 10:56 AM
I say let them pile up the shutouts if they possibly can. If the starters end up throwing as many innings as they do, then a few extra pitches to put a SHO and CG on their baseball card won't hurt.

GIDP
05-06-2009, 11:06 AM
Dusty really has a thing for leaving guys in for full innings.

If a guy is at 95 pitches Dusty is going to send him back out no matter what in most cases.

Chris Sabowned
05-06-2009, 11:47 AM
I love this new Dusty Baker. Why stretch out the long arms? We don't want Volquez/Cueto to become Wood/Prior do we? Our bullpen is doing great, no reason to use them less.

Caveman Techie
05-06-2009, 12:27 PM
Exactly, Dusty is doing the right thing when it comes to these pitchers. I have really been impressed with how he has been using them and more importantly saving them from themselves.

ian_madden
05-06-2009, 12:47 PM
WOW Am I really reading this correctly, people on this site don't think Dusty is the Anti-Christ?

I love this pitching staff. I have not felt this confident on a daily basis in a long time. Mario Soto for pitching coach of the decade. Best change-up in history.

Fon Duc Tow
05-06-2009, 01:23 PM
I could just see Dusty leaving them in and the pitchers struggling or getting hurt, then the board would be all over Dusty for "ruining young arms again". Dusty can't win with fans in this town.


haha that's the first thing I thought of too.

Can't fault Dusty for this one.

mroby85
05-06-2009, 02:40 PM
If they completed the shutouts and won those games, is there really anything worthy of complaining about?

Mutaman
05-06-2009, 02:54 PM
I haven't heard anyone complaining about Dick Pole lately. maybe Maddox was right.

Kingspoint
05-06-2009, 04:05 PM
The first 40 games of the season are very difficult to manage. You have to get all of your players playing time so that they can be ready for the Summer grind. Deciding when to play guys and when not to takes an experienced Manager like Dusty, and his reasons for doing what he does only partially has anything to do with what's going on in the game at that moment.

It's a marathon, as they say. You can't say one move is wrong, or one move is right at the time Dusty makes it, because we don't know all of the reasons that went into making it. Sometimes it's personal for one or more players involved, and quite often, it's instinctual, that only Dusty Baker knows why the move(s) need to be done.

I'm trusting Dusty on this that his decisions are going to be the right ones.

I'm just happy as heck that there's no Corey Patterson around to be involved with any of these decisions.

Kingspoint
05-06-2009, 04:06 PM
I haven't heard anyone complaining about Dick Pole lately. maybe Maddox was right.

Leiter and Larkin were "kind of" complimenting him last night.

Shawn_RedsFan
05-06-2009, 04:14 PM
Some people may care about a specific pitcher leading the league in Complete game shutouts, I am not that person baseball is a team sport. It is pointless to bring your starter in an extra inning just for to look good and take the chance of an injury. I am liking what I am seeing because the WHOLE pitching staff is producing 0's on the board.