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Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 07:03 PM
Lineups:


Brewers (15 - 12)
2nd in NL Central
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Reds (14 - 12)
3rd in NL Central
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Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Weeks, 2B .266 6 19 1
2. C Counsell, 3B .293 0 2 0
3. R Braun, LF .308 5 18 2
4. P Fielder, 1B .250 4 20 0
5. M Cameron, CF .293 6 16 2
6. C Hart, RF .287 3 10 3
7. J Hardy, SS .195 3 12 0
8. J Kendall, C .208 0 7 0
9. M Parra, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. W Taveras, CF .261 0 2 5
2. J Hairston Jr., 3B .184 1 2 1
3. J Votto, 1B .378 3 23 2
4. B Phillips, 2B .226 4 17 4
5. J Bruce, RF .253 6 14 1
6. D McDonald, LF .240 0 1 0
7. R Hanigan, C .389 0 0 0
8. P Janish, SS .412 0 2 0
9. B Arroyo, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
M Parra 0 4 5.33 1.59 23

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
B Arroyo 4 1 4.91 1.39 18

CarolinaRedleg
05-06-2009, 07:32 PM
No Bill Hall, so that's one in the Reds' favor before the game even gets started.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 07:33 PM
That lineup is depressing.

Take away Bruce, Phillips, and Votto, and the rest of the lineup has a combined total of 54 major league home runs.

TheNext44
05-06-2009, 07:35 PM
No Bill Hall, so that's one in the Reds' favor before the game even gets started.

Don't worry, he'll come off the bench at the end of the game with the game winning hit.

CTA513
05-06-2009, 07:35 PM
Rain delay according to mlb.com scoreboard

redsmetz
05-06-2009, 07:41 PM
Rain delay according to mlb.com scoreboard

Yeah, I just glanced out the front door and see a steady spring shower coming down. Not heavy, but enough to delay the game I think. Hopefully it will pass within the half hour or so. I'm about six miles north of downtown.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 07:46 PM
That lineup is depressing.

Take away Bruce, Phillips, and Votto, and the rest of the lineup has a combined total of 54 major league home runs.

Wow, you started early tonight. Stop and take a deep breath. Janish is at SS. Good news. Hanigan is behind the plate. Good news. Brandon's starting to swing the bat. Good news. Hairston isn't at short. Good news. Bruce isn't still languishing in the minors. Good news. Arroyo's pitching and the sun's going down soon. Good news. And if all that's not enough for you to perk up....Joey Votto is still walking among the mortals. :O) Cheer up OBM...you're starting to depress even me. *grin*

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 07:48 PM
So, I guess I'm supposed to lie and say the offense is fine?

I'm thrilled that the Reds are 14-12, but no matter how you want to slice it, the offense needs to be upgraded.

KronoRed
05-06-2009, 07:49 PM
So, I guess I'm supposed to lie and say the offense is fine?

Do that and you can get a job with the local paper :D

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Yes. Yes you are. :O)

You're still too young to realize it yet, but self-delusion is really the only way to true happiness. *grin*

Seriously though, I bet we put up double digits in hits and score 6 runs. Confidence on a young club is like a virus. As long as Bronson doesn't allow several runs early on, I see us dominating the Brew Crew tonight.

Homer Bailey
05-06-2009, 08:03 PM
Yes. Yes you are. :O)

You're still too young to realize it yet, but self-delusion is really the only way to true happiness. *grin*

Seriously though, I bet we put up double digits in hits and score 6 runs. Confidence on a young club is like a virus. As long as Bronson doesn't allow several runs early on, I see us dominating the Brew Crew tonight.

Hope you are right, but I have a terrible feeling about tonight. That said, I'm usually wrong.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 08:10 PM
Everybody was all doom and gloom about last night too if you recall. Positive thoughts people, P-O-S-I-T-I-V-E.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 08:16 PM
Latest update from Fay's blog is the game won't start before at least 7:50.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Latest update from Fay's blog is the game won't start before at least 7:50.

Then the sun should be just about gone completely, right? More good news for Bronson. :O)

Kc61
05-06-2009, 08:21 PM
Everybody was all doom and gloom about last night too if you recall. Positive thoughts people, P-O-S-I-T-I-V-E.

McDonald playing against the lefty instead of Rosales. That's the unusual part of the lineup tonight. Florida consistenly got Rosales out with pitches high in the strike zone.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 08:22 PM
Looking at this radar once this is over it should be done for the night.

http://i.imwx.com/web/radar/us_ind_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg

PuffyPig
05-06-2009, 08:24 PM
McDonald playing against the lefty instead of Rosales. That's the unusual part of the lineup tonight. Florida consistenly got Rosales out with pitches high in the strike zone.

Rosales has looked really bad since he came up.

He has to earn more AB's. Of course, there is no way that McDonald should ever play.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 08:26 PM
Rosales has looked really bad since he came up.

He has to earn more AB's. Of course, there is no way that McDonald should ever play.

I disagree. I thought he looked very good in the first three or four games. He's been pretty bad in the last two games though.

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 08:26 PM
Then the sun should be just about gone completely, right? More good news for Bronson. :O)

Bronson "The Vampire" Arroyo.

GAC
05-06-2009, 08:29 PM
So, I guess I'm supposed to lie and say the offense is fine?

I'm thrilled that the Reds are 14-12, but no matter how you want to slice it, the offense needs to be upgraded.

No... but you base your analysis solely on a lack of HR power by the others. That's not a very comprehensive analysis IMO. :p:

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 08:31 PM
No... but you base your analysis solely on a lack of HR power by the others. That's not a very comprehensive analysis IMO. :p:

No, I was making an observation.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 08:34 PM
This guy on the banana phone should simply be shot in the head....multiple times.

I think he's trying to sound like Randy "macho man" Savage. Kinda sad. But then again, I feel kinda dirty admitting that I even know who that is.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 08:35 PM
Bob Uecker is cracking me up. I can't stop laughing.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 08:38 PM
First pitch around 7:55

PuffyPig
05-06-2009, 08:42 PM
I disagree. I thought he looked very good in the first three or four games. He's been pretty bad in the last two games though.

A .618 OPS suggests he's been really bad since he came up. Zero power. He's been a ground ball machine. And lately he looks like he's been going to the Brandon Phillips school of swinging.

Like I said, he'll need to start earning some AB's. Becuase he giving the ones we give him away for free.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 08:46 PM
A .618 OPS suggests he's been really bad since he came up. Zero power. He's been a ground ball machine. And lately he looks like he's been going to the Brandon Phillips school of swinging.

Like I said, he'll need to start earning some AB's. Becuase he giving the ones we give him away for free.

He went 5-for-9 with three walks in his first three games. Like I said, he was good through the first three games but has struggled in the last couple.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 08:47 PM
A .618 OPS suggests he's been really bad since he came up. Zero power. He's been a ground ball machine. And lately he looks like he's been going to the Brandon Phillips school of swinging.

Like I said, he'll need to start earning some AB's. Becuase he giving the ones we give him away for free.

I gotta agree with OBM here. But this is kinda a silly argument considering the sample size involved. But if OPS is what you want to look at....His first 3 games, his OPS was sitting at 1.171, his last 3 (yes, we're talking 6 games TOTAL) he's gone 1 for 14 with no extra base hits. His last few games, he's swinging at HORRIBLE pitches WAAAAAY up in the zone. I think he's over-excited and has a case of the yips. Give him a few more weeks under his belt and see what we've got then.

westofyou
05-06-2009, 08:52 PM
This guy on the banana phone should simply be shot in the head....multiple times.

I think he's trying to sound like Randy "macho man" Savage. Kinda sad. But then again, I feel kinda dirty admitting that I even know who that is.

One of the most inspiring "sports" moment's I witnessed was the The Macho Man vs Rowdy Roddy at the Cow Palace in 1988, Macho Man was the "Intercontinental Champion" and Roddy bloodied him mightily and kicked him out of the ring and stole his belt and when he held it up above his head 19 K stood up and screamed... it was electrifying and me and my hippie friends sat there and laughed.

PuffyPig
05-06-2009, 08:56 PM
His last few games, he's swinging at HORRIBLE pitches WAAAAAY up in the zone. I think he's over-excited and has a case of the yips.

As I said, he needs to sit some and learn that AB's have to be earned.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 08:56 PM
Game is underway after a 46 minute delay

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 08:57 PM
Weeks lines a double off the wall in left center.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 08:58 PM
One of the most inspiring "sports" moment's I witnessed was the The Macho Man vs Rowdy Roddy at the Cow Palace in 1988, Macho Man was the "Intercontinental Champion" and Roddy bloodied him mightily and kicked him out of the ring and stole his belt and when he held it up above his head 19 K stood up and screamed... it was electrifying and me and my hippie friends sat there and laughed.

The extent of my knowledge of Macho Man is that of my friends in Pataskala being in love with the WWF (despite how ridiculous it is) and me seeing him in Slim Jim commercials. Actually sitting down and watching it...I'd rather volunteer for a full frontal lobotomy. But that's just me.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Bronson's got to get his breaking stuff over. Relying on the "fastball" is a bad move.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:01 PM
Single to right....BUT THE BRUCE NAILS HIM!!!! :O) Horrible move to send him on that. Nice throw.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:01 PM
Great throw by Bruce to nail Weeks at home!

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:01 PM
Counsell singles to right. Bruce nails Weeks at the plate with a perfect throw.

reds44
05-06-2009, 09:02 PM
BRUUUUUUUUCE

/delayed

OUReds
05-06-2009, 09:02 PM
We complain about our 3rd base coach... Man, what were the Brewers thinking?

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:02 PM
6 fastballs out of 11 pitches. Yikes. Come on guys.

7 out of 12 but it was a line out to Brandon. 2 down. They've GOT to mix it up if Arroyo's going to be effective.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:03 PM
Braun lines out to Phillips. All 3 batters have hit it hard.

Red in Chicago
05-06-2009, 09:03 PM
BA has two outs with no runs scored, but he's not really fooling anyone yet.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:04 PM
Tight strikezone tonight.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Walk to the purple one.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Fielder walks. 1st and 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Very close 3-2 pitch to Fielder is called ball 4. There were about three borderline pitches to Fielder and all were called balls.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:07 PM
Arroyo throws a 2-1 fastball right down the middle at the knees...called ball 3. This is going to be a loooong night if he keeps this strikezone. Bases loaded for Hart.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:08 PM
BtB walks to load the bases for Sunglasses.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:08 PM
Cameron walks. Bases loaded. Strike zone tonight nothing on the lower half is a strike. Balls slightly outside are strikes.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:09 PM
2-0 Brewers already.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:09 PM
Hart singles to center. 2-0 Brewers.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:10 PM
This team is horrible at home. Want fans to show up? Play better at home.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:10 PM
Single to score 2 with Cameron going to third. Okay, not exactly the way the script was written before the game started.

I really dislike the pitch calling so far. And the ump's zone isn't helping. Let's just hope he at least stays consistant.

GAC
05-06-2009, 09:10 PM
Arroyo's pitches are flat as can be. He won't be in there long at this rate.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2009, 09:11 PM
Buzzkill Bronson

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Arroyo's pitches are flat as can be. He won't be in there long at this rate.

Of course they are...they're all fastballs.

3 run dinger. Off another fastball. 5-0 Brewers.

19 fastballs out of 34 first inning pitches. He'll NEVER be successful with that kind of ratio. Regardless of who we're playing.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2009, 09:12 PM
3 run shot

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:13 PM
Hardy homers to left. 5-0 Brewers. Every time this team comes home with people excited about the team they seem to tank.

Red in Chicago
05-06-2009, 09:13 PM
pray for rain

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:14 PM
Hardy homers to left. 5-0 Brewers. Every team this comes home with people excited about the team they seem to tank.

Yep.

Hardy has been AWFUL this season, too. Way to go Bronson.

I'll be watching the Phillies/Mets the rest of the night.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:14 PM
Fantastic play by Phillips. Good defense is the only reason Bronson made it out of the 1st.

CTA513
05-06-2009, 09:14 PM
Masset can get some work in tonight.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2009, 09:14 PM
I don't get the home problems....makes absolutely no sense.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:15 PM
It sucks that I wasted money on tickets to Saturday and Sunday's game.

Mario-Rijo
05-06-2009, 09:16 PM
Of course they are...they're all fastballs.

3 run dinger. Off another fastball. 5-0 Brewers.

19 fastballs out of 34 first inning pitches. He'll NEVER be successful with that kind of ratio. Regardless of who we're playing.

He's had to throw Fastballs he can't get the curveball high enough for Herman Munster behind the plate to call a strike.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:16 PM
Yep.

Hardy has been AWFUL this season, too. Way to go Bronson.

I'll be watching the Phillies/Mets the rest of the night.

Nah, he broke out of his slump last night with his 3 for 3 night. It was all mental (he said as much during his interview last night on the MLB network), it doesn't surprise me to see him swing well today.

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 09:17 PM
At least it killed the rally.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:18 PM
Taveras pops out to 3rd. His OBP continues to drop.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:18 PM
It sucks that I wasted money on tickets to Saturday and Sunday's game.

I'm stuck in Houston, it sucks that fans that don't appreciate it are going. Time to look at it the right way OBM. You're going to the ballpark for a game. That's NEVER a bad thing.

Mario-Rijo
05-06-2009, 09:18 PM
I swear to ya I have no idea why Taveras feels the need to take a couple, get ahead and then swing at a pitch off the plate.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:18 PM
Hairston grounds out to short. 2 outs.

RedsManRick
05-06-2009, 09:19 PM
When Arroyo is bad, he's BAD. At least I can go watch LOST in peace.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:19 PM
I swear to ya I have no idea why Taveras feels the need to take a couple, get ahead and then swing at a pitch off the plate.Especially drives you crazy against a pitcher known to be wild and an ump with a tight strikezone. So far 2 outs on 6 pitches.

Gallen5862
05-06-2009, 09:20 PM
We need some runs Reds. Maybe the Reds should wear their road jerseys at home. :)

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:21 PM
Amazing. A tight strikezone for Arroyo and he calls that a strike. Votto called out on strikes. 5-0 Brewers after 1.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:21 PM
Okay, now THAT ticks me off. Close calls right on the edge...called balls for Bronson. There's a called third strike to Votto that was inside. I can deal with a small zone. I can't deal with an inconsistant one...especially when it varies from team to team.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Amazing. A tight strikezone for Arroyo and he calls that a strike. Votto called out on strikes. 5-0 Brewers after 1.

Yep.

Prince Fielder should have been struckout on that 3-2 pitch. MLB umpires are so inconsistent.

Mario-Rijo
05-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Especially drives you crazy against a pitcher known to be wild and an ump with a tight strikezone. So far 2 outs on 6 pitches.

Yeah and as Brantley pointed out they both pulled off of the low outside pitch. Votto K's on a called strike 3 on the inside part.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:23 PM
Infield hit for Parra as Phillips flips the ball behind his back to try to get the out.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:24 PM
wow. IF single for the pitcher and then a 4 pitch walk. Yep, this may be a long night.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:24 PM
Bronson won't be around much longer. A 4 pitch walk. Already 3 walks and 4 hits given up.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Counsell singles to right. Bases loaded.

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 09:25 PM
This is putting a dent in that team ERA.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Single on the first pitch to load the bases with no outs. Braun, Fielder, Cameron due up. Not a good sign.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Can we get the rain back.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2009, 09:25 PM
The Reds should just put a batting tee out there and take their chances...

Kc61
05-06-2009, 09:26 PM
This is turning into a disaster. The Reds leading the league in team ERA was too good to last.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:26 PM
They may be last in ERA by the end of the night.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Braun just missed an extra base hit down the line. Just foul

CTA513
05-06-2009, 09:29 PM
9-0 Brewers

:ughmamoru

fearofpopvol1
05-06-2009, 09:29 PM
Grand Slam!

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:29 PM
This team wonders why they can't draw a crowd. Grand slam. 9-0 before an out in the 2nd.

_Sir_Charles_
05-06-2009, 09:29 PM
LOL. Are you kidding me? Grand slam. 9-0.

Marty just called Bronson "effectively a batting practice pitcher tonight". Yep, called spot on.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Bullpen is going to have to go a full 8 innings tonight.

Matt700wlw
05-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Nice job, Bronson...

fearofpopvol1
05-06-2009, 09:31 PM
I try to be fair to Dusty...more so than I think a lot of people. But Dusty, what on earth are you doing? You're down 5, bases loaded, no outs and you continue to let this go on? I know it's early, but if your pitcher doesn't have it, and it's OBVIOUS, you PULL HIM.

The bullpen is plenty rested.

He leaves pitchers in longer than any other manager in baseball.

westofyou
05-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Delay get him? Wouldn't be the first pitcher, No offense but blaming Dusty ain't aiming at the right target this evening.

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 09:35 PM
This team wonders why they can't draw a crowd. Grand slam. 9-0 before an out in the 2nd.

At least the fans get to see some offense tonight.

fearofpopvol1
05-06-2009, 09:37 PM
The ump is awful. No doubt about that.

Is there any chance the weather storms in and washes this game out (no pun intended).

membengal
05-06-2009, 09:37 PM
Too bad to have them come home after playing such an energetic road trip again and lay this stinker before the home crowd. Again. Their timing is impeccable.

Reds Fanatic
05-06-2009, 09:39 PM
The ump is awful. No doubt about that.

Is there any chance the weather storms in and washes this game out (no pun intended).No unfortunately the rain is completely out of the area for the night.

GAC
05-06-2009, 09:39 PM
Delay get him? Wouldn't be the first pitcher, No offense but blaming Dusty ain't aiming at the right target this evening.

You're right. No manager likes to be put in this kind of position after little more then an inning by their starting pitcher.

Did the delay affect BA? Possible. But it sure hasn't had any adverse affect on Parra.

When BA implodes.... he implodes. How many games has he thrown like this since last year? I count 4.

membengal
05-06-2009, 09:40 PM
When Arroyo is bad, he's BAD. At least I can go watch LOST in peace.

Yeah. It's amazing how little in-between there is with him.

Chip R
05-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Delay get him? Wouldn't be the first pitcher, No offense but blaming Dusty ain't aiming at the right target this evening.


Dusty isn't giving up those line drives and home runs.

membengal
05-06-2009, 09:44 PM
Votto has not rested for an inning yet this year. Perhaps this would be a good night to get him a few innings off...

westofyou
05-06-2009, 09:45 PM
You're right. No manager likes to be put in this kind of position after little more then an inning by their starting pitcher.

Did the delay affect BA? Possible. But it sure hasn't had any adverse affect on Parra.

When BA implodes.... he implodes. How many games has he thrown like this since last year? I count 4.

He's a "touch" pitcher, no touch and he's rotten.

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 09:46 PM
Jim Kelch sounds like he's calling from Louisville. Does he have a cheaper mic than Marty's?

fisch11
05-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Rally time!

NC Reds
05-06-2009, 09:48 PM
I just came over from the minor league thread to say McDonald sucks.

membengal
05-06-2009, 09:54 PM
Yeah, not sure how much longer the Darnell McDonald experience will be inflicted on the fanbase. He's had a few cuts, but, really, there are better options in AAA that should be here in his place.

fisch11
05-06-2009, 09:55 PM
Yeah, not sure how much longer the Darnell McDonald experience will be inflicted on the fanbase. He's had a few cuts, but, really, there are better options in AAA that should be here in his place.

Was I the only person that thought he was a stopgap for the first few games until Taveras kicked the flu? I really did not expect him to hang around.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 09:56 PM
Was I the only person that thought he was a stopgap for the first few games until Taveras kicked the flu? I really did not expect him to hang around.

I'm not surprised. Afterall, our GM is Wait Jocketty.

membengal
05-06-2009, 09:58 PM
It is fun to watch Herrera befuddle batters at times.

fisch11
05-06-2009, 09:59 PM
I wonder how many innings Dusty is looking to get out of Danny tonight. The bullpen could be taxed for the big St. Louis series this weekend if Owings lays another egg tomorrow.

membengal
05-06-2009, 10:17 PM
Herrera still befuddling Brewers. If he can work into the 5th, it would help preserve the pen for the weekend.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Hairston is a terrible infielder. Now 10-0 Brewers after an unearned run.

nate
05-06-2009, 10:22 PM
Looks like I picked the right night to not watch the game!

SMcGavin
05-06-2009, 10:26 PM
Are people still sticking to the whole "hide Herrera cause people will eventually figure him out" thing? Cause six guys got to face him twice tonight, they went 1-6 on the second time seeing him.

Also DRH has faced 54 batters this season and allowed 1 extra base hit. Yes, you read that correctly.

top6
05-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Votto has not rested for an inning yet this year. Perhaps this would be a good night to get him a few innings off...

I was coming on here to post the exact same thing. And not only has not rested for an inning yet, it's hard to see how he'll ever be able to do so. Add in the wet conditions, and I'd take him out (unless the Reds put up 4 or 5 this inning).

flyer85
05-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Yeah, not sure how much longer the Darnell McDonald experience will be inflicted on the fanbase.
hopefully longer than Willy T

membengal
05-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Um, the Reds' approach tonite with the runners on has been awful. Just awful. They are not winning, but stranding 8 runners in the last three innings is pretty bad work.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 10:36 PM
Once again, a struggling pitcher is shutting down the Reds.

alloverjr
05-06-2009, 10:41 PM
Um, the Reds' approach tonite with the runners on has been awful. Just awful. They are not winning, but stranding 8 runners in the last three innings is pretty bad work.

Yea, this team has to have the lowest baseball IQ in recent memory. Parra couldn't throw 3 pitches out of 7 for strikes if you came up without a bat and yet we hack at pitches out of the zone in hitter's counts.

flyer85
05-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Yea, this team has to have the lowest baseball IQ in recent memory. Parra couldn't throw 3 pitches out of 7 for strikes if you came up without a bat and yet we hack at pitches out of the zone in hitter's counts.
not a surprise. These guys have a track record of being hackers.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 10:45 PM
Just when the Reds get their run differential to -1, they go out and get blown out.

membengal
05-06-2009, 10:46 PM
Between the 10-2 shellacking that Bronson started that I witnessed, and tonite, Bronson is a -18 against the Reds' pythag in those two meltdowns. That's not helping at all...

CTA513
05-06-2009, 10:50 PM
Phillips with a solo shot

10-1 Brewers

CTA513
05-06-2009, 10:53 PM
Rosales replaces Votto at 1st.

Chip R
05-06-2009, 10:55 PM
Phillips with a solo shot

10-1 Brewers


10 runs down, he's gonna give us all the HRs we need. I think I've heard that somewhere before. ;)

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 10:56 PM
Just when the Reds get their run differential to -1, they go out and get blown out.

That's what bugs me about the run differential. For all its usefulness, you can be sure that the next game will change it. One game is skewed by a 6-0 win, the next is skewed by a 10-1 loss (so far).

BuckeyeRedleg
05-06-2009, 11:12 PM
Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but why not (when you know the game is already over at 9-0) keep Arroyo in to get his 5-6 innings?

Is it about mercy?

I'm just curious what others think as leaving Arroyo in to "take one for the team" probably saves the bullpen being overworked in a game that now doesn't matter anyway.

OnBaseMachine
05-06-2009, 11:13 PM
Laynce Nix doubles in a run to make it 10-2. What does this guy have to do to get a start?

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 11:14 PM
Weathers ties Cy Young! Good for you, Dave.

alloverjr
05-06-2009, 11:14 PM
Sure wish Dusty would give Nix a few looks in LF. I was a supporter of Dickerson (albeit for CF) but Nix is punishing the ball and, well, no one else is. Cowboy was on the Dusty last inning for this as well.

LincolnparkRed
05-06-2009, 11:17 PM
Tough one tonight for bronson. Hard to be a consistent winner at home if you are 0-5 in the first game of every home series so far.

Gallen5862
05-06-2009, 11:22 PM
What inning is the game and what is the score? How long did Arroyo and Hererra pitch?

fisch11
05-06-2009, 11:23 PM
Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but why not (when you know the game is already over at 9-0) keep Arroyo in to get his 5-6 innings?

Is it about mercy?

I'm just curious what others think as leaving Arroyo in to "take one for the team" probably saves the bullpen being overworked in a game that now doesn't matter anyway.

I agree with your view. However, he was getting hit so hard and couldn't throw strikes so he probably would have been at 100 pitches in the 3rd inning. I think mercy has to step in at some point though.

Kc61
05-06-2009, 11:26 PM
Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but why not (when you know the game is already over at 9-0) keep Arroyo in to get his 5-6 innings?

Is it about mercy?

I'm just curious what others think as leaving Arroyo in to "take one for the team" probably saves the bullpen being overworked in a game that now doesn't matter anyway.

I agree with you fully. Unless there is a need to bring back Arroyo on short rest, I would have left him out there tonight.

Bullpen had a fourteen inning game Monday. Let Arroyo throw his 110 pitches and save some wear and tear on the pen.

Maybe it's considered a professional courtesy not to embarrass a pitcher who doesn't have it. I don't know. But I don't see why the bullpen should eat 8 innings when the game is out of hand so early.

fisch11
05-06-2009, 11:27 PM
What inning is the game and what is the score? How long did Arroyo and Hererra pitch?

Top 8th - Brewers up 10-3. Arroyo gave up 9 in 1 IP, and Hererra came in and pitched 3 innings giving up 1 unearned run.

Gallen5862
05-06-2009, 11:28 PM
Thanks for the update Fisch11 and welcome to the ORG.

Chip R
05-06-2009, 11:29 PM
Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but why not (when you know the game is already over at 9-0) keep Arroyo in to get his 5-6 innings?

Is it about mercy?

I'm just curious what others think as leaving Arroyo in to "take one for the team" probably saves the bullpen being overworked in a game that now doesn't matter anyway.


It's not the worst idea in the world and I had the same thought.

fisch11
05-06-2009, 11:29 PM
Thanks for the update Fisch11 and welcome to the ORG.

Thank you!

fisch11
05-06-2009, 11:37 PM
7 IP from the bullpen tonight and 0 ER. Gotta find a silver lining.

traderumor
05-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Arroyo is no longer allowed to pitch at GAB.

Speaking of GAB, opposing teams just come in here wailing because of the ballpark's history. A possible solution might be to knock a few guys off the plate in the first few batters to back them off instead of just letting them dig in and start turning on pitches. Just a thought.

No matter how many rep points he gets from announcers, Tim McClelland is not a good umpire. His strike zone is indecipherable and the little "look at me" delayed hand signals is annoying to everyone. I dread when I see that guy behind the plate. Tonight, it was no strikes at the knees, going both ways, that is, until I essentially quit watching in favor of Idol ;)

11larkin11
05-06-2009, 11:44 PM
Janish in to pitch! just hit 91

traderumor
05-06-2009, 11:46 PM
It's true. My 7 year-old: "Dad, since when does Janish pitch?"

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 11:46 PM
Janish in to pitch! just hit 91

But he can't hit as well as Owings.

TeamMorris
05-06-2009, 11:49 PM
I had no idea he could pitch!

traderumor
05-06-2009, 11:50 PM
I think he may have pitched some at Rice?

Chip R
05-06-2009, 11:50 PM
TM, check your e-mail

11larkin11
05-06-2009, 11:51 PM
Article I found says he was recruited to pitch at Rice, but they had four or five first rounders supposedly, so he didn't

BoydsOfSummer
05-06-2009, 11:53 PM
Janish needs to drop a deuce on these guys. Just a show me pitch. Nothing but fastballs so far....lol

Playadlc
05-06-2009, 11:54 PM
This is kinda stupid.

BCubb2003
05-06-2009, 11:57 PM
He nearly struck out the side ...

BoydsOfSummer
05-06-2009, 11:57 PM
Janish K's two! Nice job, Paulie!

Throws harder than Bronson.

fisch11
05-06-2009, 11:58 PM
The madness ends. Thanks for taking an inning for the team, Paul.

CTA513
05-07-2009, 12:00 AM
best part of tonights game

LawFive
05-07-2009, 12:04 AM
He just became the answer to a trivia question.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2009, 12:07 AM
Nice night for Bruce despite the blowout. 2-for-3 with his 7th homer, a walk, and threw out a runner at home.

CarolinaRedleg
05-07-2009, 12:12 AM
That's OK, come back at them tomorrow. Getaway games are this team's specialty thus far.

WVRedsFan
05-07-2009, 12:27 AM
Got in late, turned the TV on at about 8:30 and saw the score was 9-0. Ate dinner and did a couple of things I needed to do to end the day. By this time, it's 10:30 or so and what do I see? Janish pitching. Good grief. Couldn't help but think about what we would do if he got hurt with Gonzalez out. Oh well.

This is a great reality check for everyone. The team is 14-13 and the pitching has been excellent, but blowups like this happen and that's why a complete team has hitters who can hit, not that it would have done any good tonight, but the Reds scored their usual 3 runs (yes, they ocassionally break out, but that's once in awhile). Never mind, just a thought.

The danger is it's our 5th starter going tomorrow night against a red hot team. We could be at .500 after tomorrow and all the air is out of the baloon. It's going to be like this all year, friends. I'm still hoping for 82 wins.

Big Klu
05-07-2009, 12:44 AM
Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but why not (when you know the game is already over at 9-0) keep Arroyo in to get his 5-6 innings?

Is it about mercy?

I'm just curious what others think as leaving Arroyo in to "take one for the team" probably saves the bullpen being overworked in a game that now doesn't matter anyway.


I agree with your view. However, he was getting hit so hard and couldn't throw strikes so he probably would have been at 100 pitches in the 3rd inning. I think mercy has to step in at some point though.


I agree with you fully. Unless there is a need to bring back Arroyo on short rest, I would have left him out there tonight.

Bullpen had a fourteen inning game Monday. Let Arroyo throw his 110 pitches and save some wear and tear on the pen.

Maybe it's considered a professional courtesy not to embarrass a pitcher who doesn't have it. I don't know. But I don't see why the bullpen should eat 8 innings when the game is out of hand so early.

Arroyo threw only 46 pitches tonight. Any chance he could come back and help the bullpen by throwing an inning or two in relief on Thursday or Friday?

mbgrayson
05-07-2009, 12:44 AM
Janish still had a better pitching line than Arroyo tonight. He only gave up 5 runs in his one inning(Arroyo gave up 9 earned runs in his one official inning), and Janish struck out two, Arroyo none. However, opposing batters are hitting .625 vs. Janish.....lol.

kaldaniels
05-07-2009, 12:47 AM
Maybe this was brought up earlier in the thread, but why not (when you know the game is already over at 9-0) keep Arroyo in to get his 5-6 innings?

Is it about mercy?

I'm just curious what others think as leaving Arroyo in to "take one for the team" probably saves the bullpen being overworked in a game that now doesn't matter anyway.

I would think Arroyo's agent would have something to say on the matter as well....you just can't let a guy give up 15 runs. Same thing if Dusty had Arroyo throw 180 pitches...the agent would go ballistic.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2009, 12:51 AM
Hopefully the Reds can bounce back and split the series tomorrow night. It'll be tough, though. We have our fifth starter going against a red hot Brewers club, plus Looper is pitching and he owns the Reds since he became a starter.

WVRedsFan
05-07-2009, 01:21 AM
Hopefully the Reds can bounce back and split the series tomorrow night. It'll be tough, though. We have our fifth starter going against a red hot Brewers club, plus Looper is pitching and he owns the Reds since he became a starter.

Tough is right. The Reds could be 15-16 by the end of day Sunday (I pray they win one game). Proof positive that the pitching staff has to be nearly perfect for them to win. That's what concerns me.

cincyinco
05-07-2009, 03:57 AM
Saddest.. Game thread.. EVER.

Glad I was working for this one. Had a feeling arroyo was going to lay and egg tonight.

I was praying while reading that since it was only an 11 page thread that maybe the rain returned and we dodged a bullet.

No such luck. Can't wait to read a recap of this game.

Ron Madden
05-07-2009, 04:14 AM
Well I'm glad that's over. Go get'em next time.

traderumor
05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
I would think Arroyo's agent would have something to say on the matter as well....you just can't let a guy give up 15 runs. Same thing if Dusty had Arroyo throw 180 pitches...the agent would go ballistic.I hear what you're saying, but I sure hope that Dusty doesn't even give a fleeting thought to what some player's agent thinks about how he uses his players.

traderumor
05-07-2009, 11:14 AM
Saddest.. Game thread.. EVER.

Glad I was working for this one. Had a feeling arroyo was going to lay and egg tonight.

I was praying while reading that since it was only an 11 page thread that maybe the rain returned and we dodged a bullet.

No such luck. Can't wait to read a recap of this game.

Game Recap:

Bronson was all over the place, but when he did throw a strike, it was right down the middle, about thigh high, the same place where guys would want every pitch in home run derby.

Brandon Phillips popped up overswinging with the bases loaded, then took a nice, fluid swing with the bases empty and hit one in the upper deck.

JJ Hardy hasn't hit in a month but suddenly finds his stroke right the day before the series with the Reds starts and "muscles" an outside pitch to right for a 3 run homer to make it 5-0 after 1.

Quote from me in the 2nd inning after pitcher gets infield hit and Weeks reaches again, but before Craig Counsell hits a tracer to right for the second inning in a row: "I sure hope Dusty gets someone warmed up in a hurry before this one gets out of hand." Enter Ryan Braun. Fastball down the middle, thigh high, Grand Slam to deep right center. Game over.

Jay Bruce hits a home run. Paul Janish pitches and gives up 5 runs but strikes out two. Janish boards a plane to Sarasota to work on a second pitch as he converts to pitcher ;)

Really, the less you know about this game, the better. It was a bad reminder of hopefully bygone days, when the starters got rocked in this manner seemingly every other night.

westofyou
05-07-2009, 11:15 AM
I hear what you're saying, but I sure hope that Dusty doesn't even give a fleeting thought to what some player's agent thinks about how he uses his players.

No doubt, when you start worrying about the agents take on your managing then it's time to quit and go fishing.

traderumor
05-07-2009, 11:24 AM
Another note on leaving Arroyo in: my recent memory of letting someone get rocked "taking one for the team" was LaRussa leaving Jason Marquis in one time a few years back. 13 runs, 14 hits. I thought then and do now that unless you have absolutely no other options or you are looking to get rid of the guy, it is unfair to the guy who just doesn't have anything that night, which was clearly the case with Arroyo last night. Which is why it isn't suprising that it was LaRussa :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=ArRnkxTdRwypmTCW5W75rAYRvLYF?gid=260 621104

Ron Madden
05-08-2009, 04:15 AM
I would think Arroyo's agent would have something to say on the matter as well....you just can't let a guy give up 15 runs. Same thing if Dusty had Arroyo throw 180 pitches...the agent would go ballistic.

I doubt an agent has any influence on how a player is used once a contract is signed.