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TC81190
05-07-2009, 12:35 AM
How likely could it be that Todd Frazier could be somewhat like a Joey Votto (at least offensively) in the majors? When Votto was in the minors, I had heard that he didn't have a very high ceiling (Aubrey Huff lite I think I heard a couple times), he had a slower stick, not much power etc. People even used those reasons to support trading him for Bedard. He's clearly blowing through these comparisons and has been a force this year.

I've heard similar things about Frazier and his ceiling. I've heard him called Troy Glaus lite, has holes in his swing etc. But is there any chance he could be more than that? Could Frazier also have a higher ceiling than some scouts suggest?

Mario-Rijo
05-07-2009, 01:32 PM
How likely could it be that Todd Frazier could be somewhat like a Joey Votto (at least offensively) in the majors? When Votto was in the minors, I had heard that he didn't have a very high ceiling (Aubrey Huff lite I think I heard a couple times), he had a slower stick, not much power etc. People even used those reasons to support trading him for Bedard. He's clearly blowing through these comparisons and has been a force this year.

I've heard similar things about Frazier and his ceiling. I've heard him called Troy Glaus lite, has holes in his swing etc. But is there any chance he could be more than that? Could Frazier also have a higher ceiling than some scouts suggest?

Well I'll say this the slow stick thing on Votto is probably all my fault. When I watched the Futures game Joey was in I read the comments of the ESPN blogger (I wrongly assumed he knew what he was talking about) stating that he had a slow bat and I sort of ran with it. I mean I had no idea for sure but I was always bringing the question up, I didn't want to be surprised when he got here and was Brandon Larson. And of course Joey has nice power but it isn't elite he's probably a solid 30 HR guy but he's not a 40 or 50 HR slugger. Of course he is also gonna hit 30-40 doubles most likely and hit for a good average. He is Pujolsian lite if you will.

Frazier I think we will just have to take a wait and see approach. I find it curious that he has got off to a slow start at the last 2 levels, maybe he is just a slow starter or maybe there is something to be concerned about. The thing I like about Frazier though is that if it's something fixable he is the kind of guy who will work to fix it, if there is an issue at all. More to your point though is I think he is very similiar to Votto except with less ability to hit for average. But I think he brings enough measurables to the table that what he will truely bring to the table (intangibles) makes him a perfect fit for what we are trying to do.

In my mind if this were the Big Red Machine, Frazier would be our Pete Rose. Not as immensely talented as Morgan or Bench but plenty talented enough and the driving fire and passion. I guess that would make Bruce our Perez and Votto our Bench. I don't know if that makes Brandon our Morgan but clearly we don't have a Concepcion or Foster IMO and definitely don't have our Sparky Anderson yet.

thorn
05-07-2009, 02:26 PM
If I remember correctly, Votto was a slow starter in the minors as well. I know his last year in LOU (2007), he started off slow and finished with this line after a slow start:

.294 .371 .478 .859

In 2005 he finished with this line in A+

.256 .330 .425 .754

I think he started off slow there as well, but I can find any splist to verify that. I think looking at stats this early really clouds the mind on the type of hitters will be or become. As long as Frazier finishes the season strong I'll be satisfied.

Javy Pornstache
05-07-2009, 04:18 PM
Joey, more than anyone probably, suffered from the ridiculous "take a first pitch" mandate that we had in the O'Brien regime and that helped get him off to the slow start in the system that dogged him for a while.

AmarilloRed
05-07-2009, 04:21 PM
If I remember correctly, Votto was a slow starter in the minors as well. I know his last year in LOU (2007), he started off slow and finished with this line after a slow start:

.294 .371 .478 .859

In 2005 he finished with this line in A+

.256 .330 .425 .754

I think he started off slow there as well, but I can find any splits to verify that. I think looking at stats this early really clouds the mind on the type of hitters will be or become. As long as Frazier finishes the season strong I'll be satisfied.

Votto was 56 of 253 in the minor leagues in the month of April for a line of .221/.320/.395./715. He was traditionally slow out of the gate.

http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi