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Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 07:35 PM
Cards
S. Schumaker 2b
C. Rasmus cf
A. Pujols 1b
R. Ludwick rf
C. Duncan lf
Y. Molina c
K. Greene ss
J. Thurston 3b
K. Lohse p

Reds
W. Taveras cf
J. Hairston Jr. ss
J. Bruce rf
B. Phillips 2b
L. Nix lf
R. Hernandez 1b
A. Rosales 3b
R. Hanigan c
A. Harang p

As a fair warning to all, snotty remarks aren't going to be tolerated. Some of yesterday's exchanges were completely uncalled for.

WVRedsFan
05-09-2009, 08:07 PM
Should be an interesting night. Former Red comes back to the place that traded him and our No. 1 starter faces their best pitcher again. Someday, Aaron Harang will get a break. Probably not tonight, though.

And once again, Phillips back in the four hole is not a good idea, especially since he's been sick.

We shall see what we shall see.

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:09 PM
Lets do this.

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Looks like a pretty good crowd, that spells bad things for us.

nate
05-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Chat opens.

_Sir_Charles_
05-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Okay, that's a SICKENING stat. Last night's o-fer from Albert Puljols....it was the first game all year so far that he didn't reach base via a hit or a walk. That's un-real!

Happy Birthday Aaron! Get it done!

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:12 PM
Here we go with George talking about "Albert".

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:14 PM
Whew Harang got away with one there.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:18 PM
8 pitches to ludwick, but harang finally gets the k

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:21 PM
Nice job by the big man working his way out of that.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:22 PM
After the first two get on, Harang gets AP to popup, Ludwick and Duncan k's. 18 pitches for Harang

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:25 PM
"double" for WT, but Duncan could have had it. Hairston sacs him over to third.

nate
05-09-2009, 08:25 PM
Ugh, I don't get the bunt.

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:28 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce

2-0

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:28 PM
Bruce two run HR to right.

Kc61
05-09-2009, 08:28 PM
Ugh, I don't get the bunt.

I've read that bunting a guy over to third is a much better percentage play then bunting him over to second. Dusty wants to get out in front, that's all there is to it.

And now that Bruce homers, it probably is a moot point. 2-0 Reds.

Who is this team?

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:31 PM
BP with a BB

nate
05-09-2009, 08:31 PM
I've read that bunting a guy over to third is a much better percentage play then bunting him over to second. Dusty wants to get out in front, that's all there is to it.

And now that Bruce homers, it probably is a moot point. 2-0 Reds.

Who is this team?

My point is that Taveras can score from anywhere. Hairston can work a few pitches, throw off Lohse with his long ritual between pitches and maybe get on base. I just don't get giving away an out at the top of the order in the early innings.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:33 PM
Nix k's

Kc61
05-09-2009, 08:35 PM
My point is that Taveras can score from anywhere. Hairston can work a few pitches, throw off Lohse with his long ritual between pitches and maybe get on base. I just don't get giving away an out at the top of the order in the early innings.

I understand your thinking. On the other hand, you've heard the old baseball adage that a man on second, no out, the batter's job is to get him over to third. It's playing for one run, and if Bruce's fly ball stayed in the park it would have paid off with a sac fly.

On a team that emphasizes pitching, which doesn't have a lot of offense, it's not crazy to push along individual runs rather than playing for a bigger inning. Two different approaches, both understandable.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:35 PM
Hernandez walks...BP to second..

WVRedsFan
05-09-2009, 08:36 PM
Lohse avoiding Reds hitters. Pitching like he did for the Reds. I like it.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:38 PM
Rosales pops up to second. Reds 2 , Cards 0 after 1st inning

WVRedsFan
05-09-2009, 08:38 PM
Rosales sure has cooled off. 2-0 Reds at the end of one.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:39 PM
30 pitches for Lohse

Kc61
05-09-2009, 08:39 PM
Lohse avoiding Reds hitters. Pitching like he did for the Reds. I like it.

Reds hitters helped Lohse out there. Nix is a lefty hitting fifth, his K hurt that inning.

I'm happy to have Nix, Dickerson and Hairston on the team, but as for a starting left fielder I think the Reds should be talking some trade.

Tony Cloninger
05-09-2009, 08:40 PM
Rosales inside outs every time he swings the bat......that was a good pitch to drive not try to inside out.

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:40 PM
Rosales sure has cooled off. 2-0 Reds at the end of one.
That was expected.

PuffyPig
05-09-2009, 08:42 PM
My point is that Taveras can score from anywhere.


The speed of the baserunner isn't particularly material here. Taveras can't score from 2md on a groundball or a flyball. He easily can from third.

I wouldn't have a hitter like, say, Votto, give himself up in this situation. Hairston? I'n not so sure that a bunt is such a bad idea. And it wasn't like Hairston simply sacrificed, per se. He could have potentially beat out a bunt try.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:42 PM
Molina singles to right

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:42 PM
Rosales inside outs every time he swings the bat......that was a good pitch to drive not try to inside out.
George and Chris will love him.

11larkin11
05-09-2009, 08:43 PM
My point is that Taveras can score from anywhere. Hairston can work a few pitches, throw off Lohse with his long ritual between pitches and maybe get on base. I just don't get giving away an out at the top of the order in the early innings.

Sac Fly, Ground out when MIF are deep, wild pitch, balk, squeeze. Many ways to score from third that you can't from second.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:44 PM
Greene grounds out to short, Molina over to second

nate
05-09-2009, 08:44 PM
The speed of the baserunner isn't particularly material here. Taveras can't score from 2md on a groundball or a flyball. He easily can from third.

I wouldn't have a hitter like, say, Votto, give himself up in this situation. Hairston? I'n not so sure that a bunt is such a bad idea. And it wasn't like Hairston simply sacrificed, per se. He could have potentially beat out a bunt try.

I disagree. I think with the top of the lineup, in the first inning there's no need to give away outs. If you don't give up the out there, it could be 3-0.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:46 PM
Thurston k's for the second out

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:47 PM
Lohse grounds out to short.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:48 PM
Harang at 35 pitches

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:49 PM
Hanigan fly out to center

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:50 PM
Harang grounds out to pitcher..two outs.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:52 PM
Taveras lines out to short. 2 - 0 after two innings.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:53 PM
Lohse at 40 pitches. Jocketty in booth, but not saying much yet.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Schumaker with double to right

_Sir_Charles_
05-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Okay, this is my very first game to watch on TV that is being announced by Reds announcers in MANY years. I always thought you guys were exaggerating about George Grande and Chris Welch. Wow. Guess not. It's almost like they're Cardinals announcers the love-fest they're laying on them. And then there were the back to back beauties that I'd seen referenced before but never heard. HairIston and JockERty. :O) Yep, kinda annoying.

But we're winning...so it's all good. :O)

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:56 PM
Rasmus ks...one out

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 08:59 PM
Pujols lines out to center. Willy almost misplayed that one

reds44
05-09-2009, 08:59 PM
WT took an interesting route to that one.

Scrap Irony
05-09-2009, 09:00 PM
Harang hasn't looked great but he's been effective up till now.

Hope it continues.

PuffyPig
05-09-2009, 09:00 PM
I disagree. I think with the top of the lineup, in the first inning there's no need to give away outs. If you don't give up the out there, it could be 3-0.

Oh, I'm not saying I like it either. But if you are going to bunt early in the game with a runner on second and zero outs, that would be the situation I would consider it.

My being able to stomach it would be based on the hitter attempting to bunt for a base hit, as opposed to simply sacrificing.

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 09:02 PM
Ludwick two run HR...tie game

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 09:03 PM
Duncan flies out to left

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 09:04 PM
Harang with 54 pitches.

nate
05-09-2009, 09:05 PM
Oh, I'm not saying I like it either. But if you are going to bunt early in the game with a runner on second and zero outs, that would be the situation I would consider it.

My being able to stomach it would be based on the hitter attempting to bunt for a base hit, as opposed to simply sacrificing.

I was thinking that play might be more palatable in the late innings of a tie game with your 8 hitter up.

Patrick Bateman
05-09-2009, 09:05 PM
I disagree. I think with the top of the lineup, in the first inning there's no need to give away outs. If you don't give up the out there, it could be 3-0.


FWIW, I just googled a run expectancy map by Tangotiger based on data from 1999 to 2002:

Runner on 2nd none out: 1.189 runs
Runner on 3rd 1 out: 0.983 runs

There's a lot of circumstances to think about (ie. hairston being at bat instead of someone else), but based on that, even getting the bunt down successfully makes it a poor play, and there's a decent enough chance he doesn't even get it down. Looks like you were right.

BCubb2003
05-09-2009, 09:06 PM
The Ohio River looks blue. What's up with that? It's a high-def set.

Gallen5862
05-09-2009, 09:09 PM
How does Harang look? Does Phillips look like he has recovered from the flu?

nate
05-09-2009, 09:10 PM
FWIW, I just googled a run expectancy map by Tangotiger based on data from 1999 to 2002:

Runner on 2nd none out: 1.189 runs
Runner on 3rd 1 out: 0.983 runs

There's a lot of circumstances to think about (ie. hairston being at bat instead of someone else), but base don that, even getting the bunt down successfully makes it a poor play, and there's a decent enough chance he doesn't even get it down. Looks like you were right.

I'm not really trying to be right or wrong, I would just like a different approach in that situation.

Patrick Bateman
05-09-2009, 09:11 PM
I'm not really trying to be right or wrong, I would just like a different approach in that situation.

I don't care what you were trying.

Based on percentages, you were right.

Deal with it.

:lol:

nate
05-09-2009, 09:15 PM
I don't care what you were trying.

Based on percentages, you were right.

Deal with it.

:lol:

I don't understand the need for personal attacks saying I'm right!

:cool:

VR
05-09-2009, 09:17 PM
Despite the walk, a well-timed 10 pitch inning for Harang.

_Sir_Charles_
05-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Does that count as a sack for the linebacker Nix? Loshe looked like he was bouncing off a brick wall there. :O)

nate
05-09-2009, 09:20 PM
I wouldn't've stood in there against Nix!

Tony Cloninger
05-09-2009, 09:22 PM
How did he hold on to that ball?


Another trivia quiz so Pujols can be fawned over again?

Rosales with a better swing on that outside pitch.

VR
05-09-2009, 09:23 PM
generous single there to Rosales.

VR
05-09-2009, 09:25 PM
Phillip Hughes gave up "8" in 1 2/3 today.

Speaking of 8, Rosales thrown out by 8 feet.

nate
05-09-2009, 09:46 PM
Nice play by Bruce to make the catch and get the inning ending DP!

reds44
05-09-2009, 09:53 PM
Come on Laynce

reds44
05-09-2009, 09:53 PM
NIX.

3-2

CrackerJack
05-09-2009, 09:53 PM
The big ugly gets it done

reds44
05-09-2009, 09:54 PM
RAMON.

4-2.

reds44
05-09-2009, 09:56 PM
Rosales was all over that pitch.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:00 PM
I would have PH here.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:01 PM
HARANG IN YO MOUF

2 RBI SINGLE

hahahaahahahahah

6-2

BCubb2003
05-09-2009, 10:01 PM
Take that, Micah.

VR
05-09-2009, 10:01 PM
Good for Aaron. We've been waiting 6 years for a hit like that :eek:

Tony Cloninger
05-09-2009, 10:02 PM
Brett Tomko recalled by the Yankees.....that should help their HR totals.

Nice swing at a hanger by harang.

VR
05-09-2009, 10:02 PM
I would have PH here.

shows what you know about baseball :p:

MrCinatit
05-09-2009, 10:02 PM
Harang spanked Kyle on his birthday. Nice turn of the table.

Mario-Rijo
05-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Holy CRap, that was sweet! :beerme:

BCubb2003
05-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Go Pythagoras.

VR
05-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Aaron pretty excited to be on the base paths

Tony Cloninger
05-09-2009, 10:04 PM
You would have PH for him that early?

Mario-Rijo
05-09-2009, 10:04 PM
Aaron feelin' his oats trying to go 1st to 3rd, oh well what the heck it's his B-Day! :thumbup:

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:05 PM
You would have PH for him that early?
He already had pitched 6 innings, and the Reds had a chance to put the game away. With 2 outs, yes I would have.

It worked out anyway.

_Sir_Charles_
05-09-2009, 10:05 PM
That was hilarious. Aaron came to the plate and I was telling my kids "here comes the worst swing in baseball". Happy Birthday Harang. First single of the year. I love it. It was also nice to see him smile a bit. Haven't seen THAT in a while.

Tony Cloninger
05-09-2009, 10:06 PM
Well based on the way he ran the bases.....he might as well come out anyway....he will be gassed and probably not have much left.

CrackerJack
05-09-2009, 10:06 PM
First time ever I've heard the crowd from my patio over in NKY, been here 3 years, pretty cool

VR
05-09-2009, 10:14 PM
Craptastick

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:14 PM
Defense has been an issue this inning. You know that's a play Votto makes.

Trouble.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:15 PM
BIG.

Pujols has missed some cookies tonight.

AND GEORGE JUST CALLED HIM PRINCE ALBERT. SHUT UP GEORGE

VR
05-09-2009, 10:16 PM
Defense has been an issue this inning. You know that's a play Votto makes.

Trouble.

Yep.

Harang does a great job getting Albert to end the inning. Albert's gotta be spittin nails about now.

VR
05-09-2009, 10:17 PM
I'd bring in Lincoln for the 8th.....Harang at 107.

Tom Servo
05-09-2009, 10:18 PM
Hairston hoorah!

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:18 PM
Jerry gets the run right back.

8-3

Tom Servo
05-09-2009, 10:20 PM
For some reason I'm getting these stupid Cardinals announcers.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:20 PM
George and Chris shocked that Pujols did something wrong.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:20 PM
Bruce steals 2nd

VR
05-09-2009, 10:20 PM
Grande speechless that Albert dropped it.

Chris upset that the error is on the Prince. That's pretty sad. He dropped it Chris. We call that an error.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:21 PM
Grande speechless that Albert dropped it.

Chris upset that the error is on the Prince. That's pretty sad. He dropped it Chris. We call that an error.
The 5 second delay from George was money.

VR
05-09-2009, 10:21 PM
For some reason I'm getting these stupid Cardinals announcers.

Consider yourself lucky.....Chris and George can't complete a sentence with using the A word.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:22 PM
Consider yourself lucky.....Chris and George can't complete a sentence with using the A word.
I think TS was making a funny.

Tom Servo
05-09-2009, 10:23 PM
BP with some Freel baserunning.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:23 PM
Why are the Reds running up by 5 in the 7th?

VR
05-09-2009, 10:24 PM
It's almost like they sit in the dugout and say.....man, we're up by 5 runs....we gotta give away some outs here.

BCubb2003
05-09-2009, 10:26 PM
They give away outs because they can always make more.

VR
05-09-2009, 10:27 PM
They give away outs because they can always make more.

/brilliant!

WVRedsFan
05-09-2009, 10:30 PM
Stirmy Weathers. Ugh

nate
05-09-2009, 10:32 PM
Stirmy Weathers. Ugh

Stir your own Weathers!

:cool:

Tom Servo
05-09-2009, 10:33 PM
Stir your own Weathers!

:cool:
:lol:


Harmless inning.

11larkin11
05-09-2009, 10:36 PM
Gotta love Joey dancing in the dugout hahahah

Gallen5862
05-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Is CoCO or Rhodes warming up to pitch the 9th? How did Harang look tonight?

VR
05-09-2009, 10:39 PM
Is CoCO or Rhodes warming up to pitch the 9th? How did Harang look tonight?

Harang looked very very good...especially w/ the stick.

Tom Servo
05-09-2009, 10:39 PM
Boyer's got a nice curve.

Bob Borkowski
05-09-2009, 10:41 PM
Attendance tonight 40,651.

Forget the economy and all of the other excuses...if this club continues to gel, attendance will skyrocket.:)

Falls City Beer
05-09-2009, 10:41 PM
Have they announced attendance?

Tom Servo
05-09-2009, 10:43 PM
Masset in to finish this bad boy off.

Mario-Rijo
05-09-2009, 10:45 PM
Attendance tonight 40,651.

Forget the economy and all of the other excuses...if this club continues to gel, attendance will skyrocket.:)

Nice!

One side note to this series thus far, anyone who has watched Schumaker (and yes I know his story) play should be grateful of our 2B defense. He's made a lot of poor plays but more than that his lack of range has caused the Cards staff to give up way too many hits to that side.

Tom Servo
05-09-2009, 10:45 PM
I love the huge crowd.

reds44
05-09-2009, 10:46 PM
Nick Masset has a nice right arm.

And this one belongs to the Reds!

CrackerJack
05-09-2009, 10:47 PM
From Rob Butcher
Tonight's game will be the second sellout of the season (42,177 on Opening Day vs Mets) and the 41st sellout overall at Great American Ball Park.
Entering play tonight, on the field the Reds are 18-22 when playing in front of sellout crowds at GABP (0-1 in 2009, 2-3 in 2008, 1-2 in 2007, 3-4 in 2006, 1-1 in 2005, 7-4 in 2004, 4-7 in 2003).

VR
05-09-2009, 10:48 PM
I love the huge crowd.

I love the w's. A chance to sweep tomorrow....that's pretty cool.

Gallen5862
05-09-2009, 10:48 PM
"And This One Belongs To The Reds." Great job keeping the Winning streak going.

nate
05-09-2009, 10:51 PM
Nice win tonight!

Another excellent pitching performance and an offense that feels like it's starting to find it's feet. Very nice to be well above .500.

CarolinaRedleg
05-09-2009, 10:51 PM
Nice! First winning home series, three wins in a row and another 0-fer for St. Albert.

Sweep 'em back to St. Louis!!

nate
05-09-2009, 10:51 PM
And even better when it's against the Cards.

redsmetz
05-09-2009, 10:52 PM
Massett finishing was a good call, I think. What's with the funky missing fives with everybody. Looks like they're having fun with it.

VR
05-09-2009, 10:52 PM
120 posts for a 8-3 romp game three. RZ'ers must have made it a sellout tonight. :thumbup:

nate
05-09-2009, 10:53 PM
Massett finishing was a good call, I think. What's with the funky missing fives with everybody. Looks like they're having fun with it.

Dick Pole refused to engage in those shenanigans.

Bob Borkowski
05-09-2009, 10:53 PM
And even better when it's against the Cards.

I hate the Cards. :angry:

redsmetz
05-09-2009, 10:53 PM
Nice win tonight!

Another excellent pitching performance and an offense that feels like it's starting to find it's feet. Very nice to be well above .500.

And still without our top hitter playing. Very nice game. We watched it on MLB.tv at our hotel room down here in Atlanta.

CarolinaRedleg
05-09-2009, 10:55 PM
I hate the Cards. :angry:

And the Scrubs
And the Brewers
And the Pirates
And the Astros

I think that covers everybody:D

Red in Chicago
05-09-2009, 10:57 PM
And the Scrubs
And the Brewers
And the Pirates
And the Astros

I think that covers everybody:D

Too young to hate the Dodgers ;)

nate
05-09-2009, 10:58 PM
And still without our top hitter playing. Very nice game. We watched it on MLB.tv at our hotel room down here in Atlanta.

Yep. I think Ramon has been really solid as a lineup anchor while Votto's been out. I'm really pleased with his game so far.

Harang pitched nicely again and, of course, got his "lethal" bat going with the two knocked in.

RedlegJake
05-09-2009, 11:00 PM
I hate but respect the Cardinals. I plain hate the Braves and Cubs.

Falls City Beer
05-09-2009, 11:02 PM
I hate but respect the Cardinals. I plain hate the Braves and Cubs.

I think the Cubs are in a bit of trouble. Getting Zambrano back will help, but boy, they certainly don't look like the juggernaut they were supposed to be.

traderumor
05-09-2009, 11:20 PM
Why are the Reds running up by 5 in the 7th?To score more runs? Did you see how quick a 6-1 lead evaporated last night? Bruce had stolen easily off Reyes earlier in the inning and this time he held the ball, so Phillips looks bad.

Reds Fanatic
05-10-2009, 12:59 AM
I just got home from the game. Fantastic crowd tonight. Over 40,000 with over 9,000 walkup tickets purchased today. Hopefully they get another big crowd tomorrow as they go for the sweep.

SirFelixCat
05-10-2009, 02:53 AM
Great game tonight. Serious props to Hernandez. While he's no gold glover @ 1B, he has done a FINE job filling in for Votto and Hanigan has looked great behind the dish. Loved the game.

But for the love of all that is good and holy, I loathe George and Chris. You're telling me Cincinnati doesn't deserve better than these two?!? They forget FAR TOO OFTEN THAT WE ARE CINCINNATI REDS FANS, NOT FANS OF THE OPPOSING TEAM! ESP. WHEN IT'S THE 'REDBIRDS', RIGHT GEORGE?!?:mad:

/rant


Great game tonight though!

NJReds
05-10-2009, 12:04 PM
The game was televised on MLB Network last night. It was great to see the stadium full and rocking.

OnBaseMachine
05-11-2009, 01:14 PM
I just got home from the game. Fantastic crowd tonight. Over 40,000 with over 9,000 walkup tickets purchased today. Hopefully they get another big crowd tomorrow as they go for the sweep.

I was at this game too. The crowd was awesome. The ballpark was rocking after Harang's huge 2-run single. That was a lot of fun.