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Screwball
05-12-2009, 12:00 AM
He will be a good DH when the Reds hit interleague play.

Bah, that's Owings' spot. :thumbup:

fearofpopvol1
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
Willy T. for president

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
Taveras singles! 12-4 Reds. Taveras is 5-for-5!

membengal
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
Willy Taveras has a chance for a six hit night.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
The 5th hit tonight for Taveras. Matches a 5 hit night he had with Colorado 2 years ago.

Tony Cloninger
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
Willy Taveras= Rennie Stennet

Tom Servo
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
Willy Taveras laughs at your simple game of baseball.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
5 for 5. Goodness gracious. :O)

VR
05-12-2009, 12:01 AM
Arroyo has already thrown 113 pitches. It is crazy to leave him in with a 7 run (soon to be more) lead.

Perhaps they didn't want to go to the bench for a hitter?

VR
05-12-2009, 12:02 AM
Willy Taveras= Rennie Stennet

not a 22-0 game however ;)

Screwball
05-12-2009, 12:03 AM
2 and a half years since the Reds scored 12 runs in a game. Taveras was playing against the Reds for Houston then.

Caveat Emperor
05-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Been on the other end of a LOT of these games. I shall remain humble in my viewing.

Tony Cloninger
05-12-2009, 12:03 AM
But it was in 1975....so that is a good omen for the Reds. ;)

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Wild pitch makes it 13-4.

Kc61
05-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Arroyo has already thrown 113 pitches. It is crazy to leave him in with a 7 run (soon to be more) lead.

Maybe "crazy" is a bit harsh.

Arroyo pitched one inning last time.

Arroyo will get extra rest next outing. Reds off on Thursday. He doesn't go again until Sunday.

Arroyo is pitching easy innings, no high stress.

Arroyo can easily go 120 pitches in a non-stress situation, so he has another inning to go.

Reds bullpen can use some rest after heavy use lately.

durl
05-12-2009, 12:04 AM
Just out of curiosity, how common are 5-5 nights for a hitter?

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:04 AM
I have Willy at about 17th in the NL in batting average right now.

Tony Cloninger
05-12-2009, 12:04 AM
As common as having everybody happy in Redszone

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:04 AM
Wild pitch again. This is an.....unusual....feeling. 13-4 Reds. Thirteen. 13.

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:05 AM
Votto smoked that ball again but right at Lopez.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:05 AM
Hairston strikes out.
Votto grounds out to 2nd. 13-4 Reds mid 7th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:05 AM
11 hits out of our 1-4 hitters tonight. I can live with that. *grin*

membengal
05-12-2009, 12:06 AM
Maybe "crazy" is a bit harsh.

Arroyo pitched one inning last time.

Arroyo will get extra rest next outing. Reds off on Thursday. He doesn't go again until Sunday.

Arroyo is pitching easy innings, no high stress.

Arroyo can easily go 120 pitches in a non-stress situation, so he has another inning to go.

Reds bullpen can use some rest after heavy use lately.

Co-sign.

durl
05-12-2009, 12:06 AM
13 runs on 17 hits...after SEVEN innings. Man...

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:06 AM
17 hits for the good guys. When was the last time the Reds hit 20 hits in a game? Just curious.

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:07 AM
Hopefully Taveras can get a shot at a 6th hit. The Reds need one hitter to reach base for Taveras to bat again.

The Reds are now +3 in run differential. Hopefully the pitching can shut them down the rest of the night...

Matt700wlw
05-12-2009, 12:07 AM
The Rollin' Redlegs

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:07 AM
Jay Bruce - lowest season batting average of any of the starters tonight.

Nights like this are fun for statistics, even the simple ones.

VR
05-12-2009, 12:07 AM
Who was the last Red w/ 6 hits in a game?

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:08 AM
Ground out to Hairston. 1 down.

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:08 AM
I don't understand sending Arroyo back out there. The Reds are winning by nine runs and he's thrown 113 pitches already.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:08 AM
Taveras won't get a chance for 6. McDonald is in to play center and Dickerson in to play left.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:08 AM
The Reds are now +3 in run differential. Hopefully the pitching can shut them down the rest of the night...

I'm more interesting in our WIN differential. :O)

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:09 AM
Upton pops out. 2 out.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:09 AM
I don't understand sending Arroyo back out there. The Reds are winning by nine runs and he's thrown 113 pitches already.

Punishment by Dusty for only going 1 inning last outing? :O)

Unassisted
05-12-2009, 12:09 AM
I don't understand sending Arroyo back out there. The Reds are winning by nine runs and he's thrown 113 pitches already.But his previous outing was only 2 innings. Thom was OK with the move.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:10 AM
Reynolds homers to left. 13-5 Reds.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:10 AM
No doubter. Reynolds with a dinger.

Matt700wlw
05-12-2009, 12:10 AM
Taveras won't get a chance for 6. McDonald is in to play center and Dickerson in to play left.

Dusty's a party pooper :)

Caveat Emperor
05-12-2009, 12:10 AM
I'd probably go get Arroyo now. Is Janish available? :)

Tom Servo
05-12-2009, 12:11 AM
Past midnight and Welsh is talking about Marty in a speedo.

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:11 AM
I can live with a few pitches over 113 from Bronson tonight.

He hardly throws "high-stress" 113 pitches.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:11 AM
Byrnes flies out to left. 13-5 Reds after 7.

Kc61
05-12-2009, 12:11 AM
I'd probably go get Arroyo now. Is Janish available? :)

Janish is resting. He'll be ready to pitch again in mid-August.

Unassisted
05-12-2009, 12:12 AM
Pretty good inning for Arroyo. How many pitches was it?

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:12 AM
That is 123 pitches for Arroyo which I still think is too high but at least his night should be over now.

CTA513
05-12-2009, 12:12 AM
Reynolds homers to left. 13-5 Reds.

HR #10 given up and the 6th one on the road

VR
05-12-2009, 12:12 AM
I can live with a few pitches over 113 from Bronson tonight.

He hardly throws "high-stress" 113 pitches.

I'm guessing BA isn't dealing his 'a' stuff right now, more likely in warm up mode.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:13 AM
Pretty good inning for Arroyo. How many pitches was it?

It was like 10 or 11. Other than the long ball, pretty efficient.

Tony Cloninger
05-12-2009, 12:15 AM
I think Dusty thought Redszone sounded a bit too happy and cheery. He needed to make sure everyone would have something to complain about and it had to be a good one.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:15 AM
Gutierrez in to pitch.
Phillips flies out to center.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:16 AM
Bruce flies out to left.
Hanigan is hitting for Hernandez.

VR
05-12-2009, 12:16 AM
Past midnight and Welsh is talking about Marty in a speedo.

I've been shut down, forced to watch dancing w/ the stars w/ my wife. You've got it much better than I.

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:16 AM
Anyone want to call dibs on blaming Arroyo's next poor start on that 7th inning tonight.

I kid, I kid. :D

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:16 AM
I thought that ball Bruce hit was gone. He's hitting into a lot of bad luck. That ends his 11-game hitting streak.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:17 AM
And with that deep fly out, Jay's hitting streak is stopped at 11. Tough luck, he hit the ball hard several times.

VR
05-12-2009, 12:17 AM
And with that deep fly out, Jay's hitting streak is stopped at 11. Tough luck, he hit the ball hard several times.

It's only the 8th...;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:18 AM
And Ramon's 5 game hitting streak also ends as Ryan Hanigan replaces him.

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:19 AM
Arroyo................He doesn't go again until Sunday.

That's what bothers me. I'm thinking of dropping into Petco on Sunday and, of all the Reds starters, the last one I want to watch, is Bronson.

Maybe I'll go to the beach instead. :p:

Rem

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:20 AM
Hanigan singles off the glove of Reynolds. 18 hits.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:20 AM
Nice 9 pitch ab from Hanigan ends with an infield single.

Dickerson up.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:21 AM
Dickerson lines out to 3rd. 13-5 Reds mid 8th.

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:21 AM
Adam Rosales is now hitting .302/.380/.488 - .868. IMO, there's no way the Reds can send him down when EdE returns. He needs to stay around as a utility guy.

VR
05-12-2009, 12:21 AM
Do Dickerson/ McDonald get sent down before the end of this road trip?

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:21 AM
Wonder what happened to that poor offense?

VR
05-12-2009, 12:22 AM
Wonder what happened to that poor offense?

Pythagoras stopped by the clubhouse for a pep talk.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:22 AM
Wonder what happened to that poor offense?

We left it back in April. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:23 AM
DRH into pitch.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:24 AM
As much as Bronson got knocked around tonight...he didn't issue a single walk.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:24 AM
Herrera in to pinch
Roberts the pinch hitter singles.

Caveat Emperor
05-12-2009, 12:25 AM
Adam Rosales is now hitting .302/.380/.488 - .868. IMO, there's no way the Reds can send him down when EdE returns. He needs to stay around as the everyday third baseman.

Fixed that for you. ;)

I said it in the offseason, I'll say it again now -- I'm beyond tired of Encarnacion's fielding adventures and maddeningly inconsistent bat. Let him be a power-threat off the bench, where I'll only have to watch him stand cluelessly in the box for 1 PA per game.

Just my biased opinion -- I've, admittedly, never been much of an Encarnacion fan.

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Herrera needs to get it going. Pedro Viola has a 0.66 ERA and is averaging over a K/IP in Louisville.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:26 AM
I thought they'd use Lincoln here.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Snyder grounds into a DP. 2outs.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Fixed that for you. ;)

I said it in the offseason, I'll say it again now -- I'm beyond tired of Encarnacion's fielding adventures and maddeningly inconsistent bat. Let him be a power-threat off the bench, where I'll only have to watch him stand cluelessly in the box for 1 PA per game.

Just my biased opinion -- I've, admittedly, never been much of an Encarnacion fan.

Rosales could've EASILY been tagged for 4 errors tonight. Kind scorer IMO.

Screwball
05-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Really nice turn from Phillips on the 6-4-3 DP. He definitey has a SS arm.

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:27 AM
Fixed that for you. ;)

I said it in the offseason, I'll say it again now -- I'm beyond tired of Encarnacion's fielding adventures and maddeningly inconsistent bat. Let him be a power-threat off the bench, where I'll only have to watch him stand cluelessly in the box for 1 PA per game.

Just my biased opinion -- I've, admittedly, never been much of an Encarnacion fan.

Rosales has been disappointing in the field too. As much as I like his bat, he tends to bobble at least one groundball a game. He could easily have three/four errors tonight. IMO he has solid range but he struggles on the routine grounders.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:27 AM
Ojeda flies out to left. 13-5 Reds after 8.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:27 AM
Fixed that for you. ;)

I said it in the offseason, I'll say it again now -- I'm beyond tired of Encarnacion's fielding adventures and maddeningly inconsistent bat. Let him be a power-threat off the bench, where I'll only have to watch him stand cluelessly in the box for 1 PA per game.

Just my biased opinion -- I've, admittedly, never been much of an Encarnacion fan.There's probably only two of us, but I agree. Edwin will be 35 and his supporters will continue to say, "well, he's young."

Caveat Emperor
05-12-2009, 12:28 AM
Rosales could've EASILY been tagged for 4 errors tonight. Kind scorer IMO.

Neither is an attractive long-term solution defensively, but (for now), I'll take the energy and speed of Rosales vs. the long-swinging infield pop-ups and horrible plate approach PAs from Enacarnacion.

Blitz Dorsey
05-12-2009, 12:28 AM
Gosh darn it feels good to be a Redleg.

(Cleaned up for the kids, of course.)

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:29 AM
Fixed that for you. ;)

I said it in the offseason, I'll say it again now -- I'm beyond tired of Encarnacion's fielding adventures and maddeningly inconsistent bat. Let him be a power-threat off the bench, where I'll only have to watch him stand cluelessly in the box for 1 PA per game.

Just my biased opinion -- I've, admittedly, never been much of an Encarnacion fan.

No one should or can 'fix' anything for anyone. Quoting someone and replying is one thing but quote them and changing their quote is disingenuous.

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:29 AM
There's probably only two of us, but I agree. Edwin will be 35 and his supporters will continue to say, "well, he's young."

No, I agree that Edwin needs to be done with the 3rd base experiment. He simply doesn't have it. I'm just not sure if Rosales is the answer there. I love Adam's game, but his glove is suspect.

I personally think they should've left Frazier at third. I think HE was our future third sacker.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Josh Wilson a position player is in to pitch the 9th.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Rosales flies out to right.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:31 AM
No, I agree that Edwin needs to be done with the 3rd base experiment. He simply doesn't have it. I'm just not sure if Rosales is the answer there. I love Adam's game, but his glove is suspect.Very true. But given the two at third, I'd rather have Rosales. Edwin's streakiness just drives me nuts.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Janish, PH'ing, draws the free pass.

McDonald up.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:31 AM
Janish walks.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:32 AM
Very true. But given the two at third, I'd rather have Rosales. Edwin's streakiness just drives me nuts.

I agree with that. If it's between the two...Adam will be MUCH less prone to the slumps/streaks.

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:32 AM
Rosales should stay when EdE comes back because the Reds need an infielder more than lugging around a guy like McDonald.

Adam has played OK but he's not got the upside of Edwin.

JMO.

Rem

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:32 AM
McDonald grounds into a DP. 13-5 Reds mid 9th

11larkin11
05-12-2009, 12:33 AM
McDonald says "What more can I do to prove I don't belong here?"

Oh. GIDP against a position player

Caveat Emperor
05-12-2009, 12:33 AM
Darnell McDonald. Thanks for the memories. ;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:33 AM
Wait a second. Josh Wilson? He's not a pitcher is he?

*heads off to check* Nevermind...just saw another post about it.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Rosales should stay when EdE comes back because the Reds need an infielder more than lugging around a guy like McDonald.

Adam has played OK but he's not got the upside of Edwin.

JMO.

RemYeah, he's young. ;)

VR
05-12-2009, 12:34 AM
McDonald grounds into a DP. 13-5 Reds mid 9th

Just nothing from these two........just nothing.

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:34 AM
McDonald grounds into a double play with a position player pitching. Can we please send him to AAA? He's a nice story and he seems like a great guy, but he's simply not a big league player. It's time to replace him.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:34 AM
So THAT'S what it takes to slow down our offense. Non-pitchers pitching. :O)

Screwball
05-12-2009, 12:34 AM
McDonald grounds into a DP. 13-5 Reds mid 9th

Darnell doing his best to get sent back to Louisville.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:35 AM
Lincoln in to close it out.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:35 AM
Lincoln in for the 9th.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:35 AM
Whitesell ground out to Janish. 1 down.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:36 AM
Whitesell grounds out. 1 out.

VR
05-12-2009, 12:36 AM
As fantastic as Votto has been this year.....I finally got around to looking at Evan Longoria's season stats. 44 ribbies already....leading the bigs by 10 :eek:

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:36 AM
What you want to bet he doesn't go down? The fact that Darnell is even on the club, much less an opening day starter speaks volumes about our "brain trust."

Screwball
05-12-2009, 12:36 AM
Lincoln's K:BB ratio is an absurdly bad 4:11 on the year.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Josh Wilson HBP.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Wilson is hit by the pitch.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Good grief. Lincoln has no idea where his pitches are going.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:37 AM
As fantastic as Votto has been this year.....I finally got around to looking at Evan Longoria's season stats. 44 ribbies already....leading the bigs by 10 :eek:

Yep. Out-vottoing Votto.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:38 AM
Pop out to McDonald. 2 down.

VR
05-12-2009, 12:38 AM
That's what Wilson gets for going 1-2-3 in the top of the 9th

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:38 AM
What you want to bet he doesn't go down? The fact that Darnell is even on the club, much less an opening day starter speaks volumes about our "brain trust."
I doubt he goes anywhere until at least when the Reds are back home. They have played a week with less than a full roster so I don't think they will make any move in a hurry.

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:38 AM
All in all, what a nice bounce-back after the heart-breaking loss yesterday. On a west-coast trip no less.

:beerme:

Caveat Emperor
05-12-2009, 12:38 AM
Good grief. Lincoln has no idea where his pitches are going.

Usually towards the outfield at a high rate of speed.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:38 AM
Yep. Out-vottoing Votto.

More chances. That may change now that the bats of the Reds have warmed up.

Reds Fanatic
05-12-2009, 12:39 AM
Fly out to left ends the game. Reds win 13-5!!! :beerme:

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:39 AM
Montero flies out to Dickerson. And this one belongs to the Reds! 13-5 final.

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:39 AM
Yeah, he's young. ;)


Rosales is the same age as EdE. He's got about 75 Big League AB's and he's already shown that he shakey in the field. He's never hit 26 HR's in the bigs.

Next question?

Rem

OnBaseMachine
05-12-2009, 12:40 AM
Nice win! Hopefully the bats stay hot against Dan Haren tomorrow night.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:40 AM
Games like this are wonderful. No pressure and no fights in the game thread (well, almost). Life is good when Mary can say TOBTTR.

BoydsOfSummer
05-12-2009, 12:40 AM
11-5 Road Warriors. Nice!

VR
05-12-2009, 12:41 AM
5 consecutive shutout innings for Lincoln.....baby steps.

I still think he'll contribute quite a bit this year.

_Sir_Charles_
05-12-2009, 12:42 AM
More chances. That may change now that the bats of the Reds have warmed up.

Maybe (in terms of RBI's...but overall, not sure). As good as Joey's been...Evan is just a stud. .358 with 11 dingers & 15 doubles. 1.158 OPS.

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:43 AM
5 consecutive shutout innings for Lincoln.....baby steps.

I still think he'll contribute quite a bit this year.

I was thinking during the game...Lincoln could quietly get his ERA down to the mid-3s and no one would notice, yet many would still complain. :D

VR
05-12-2009, 12:43 AM
Bronson Arroyo leads the NL in wins.


I'm thinking Micah Owings is going to come to the park w/ a chip on his shoulder tomorrow night.

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:45 AM
I was thinking during the game...Lincoln could quietly get his ERA down to the mid-3s and no one would notice, yet many would still complain. :D


I agree that it's possible. Whether it will happen, I don't know but I think he's got a chance.

Rem

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 12:46 AM
I agree that it's possible. Whether it will happen, I don't know but I think he's got a chance.

RemYou have to hope he finds his stride and does well. He's an important part of that bullpen. So far, so good.

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:47 AM
Bronson Arroyo leads the NL in wins.


I'm thinking Micah Owings is going to come to the park w/ a chip on his shoulder tomorrow night.

And 2nd to last in qualified ERA. (56th)

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:48 AM
Maybe (in terms of RBI's...but overall, not sure). As good as Joey's been...Evan is just a stud. .358 with 11 dingers & 15 doubles. 1.158 OPS.

Love Joey but Evan is a beast.

I'd love the Reds to have them both. (That ain't gonna' happen.)

Rem

pedro
05-12-2009, 12:48 AM
Rosales is the same age as EdE. He's got about 75 Big League AB's and he's already shown that he shakey in the field. He's never hit 26 HR's in the bigs.

Next question?

Rem

I like Rosales' energy A LOT, but that just doesn't mask the fact that he doesn't have EE's tools at bat or even in the field really. I'm having a hard time believing he could sustain an OPS over .750 and his glove just isn't going to carry that offensive level as an everyday player. I hope I'm wrong though.

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 12:50 AM
I like Rosales' energy A LOT, but that just doesn't mask the fact that he doesn't have EE's tools at bat or even in the field really. I'm having a hard time believing he could sustain an OPS over .750 and his glove just isn't going to carry that offensive level as an everyday player. I hope I'm wrong though.

That said, another month from Edwin like his April went, could severely wreck this team's chance to contend.

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:52 AM
That said, another month from Edwin like his April went, could severely wreck this team's chance to contend.

Other than a good pitching staff, what makes you think this team can contend with someone of Rosales' ability playing 3rd base?

Rem

OUReds
05-12-2009, 12:53 AM
I like Rosales' energy A LOT, but that just doesn't mask the fact that he doesn't have EE's tools at bat or even in the field really. I'm having a hard time believing he could sustain an OPS over .750 and his glove just isn't going to carry that offensive level as an everyday player. I hope I'm wrong though.

I'm really struggling to to think of what (positive) tool EE has defensively at third.

Caveat Emperor
05-12-2009, 12:57 AM
I like Rosales' energy A LOT, but that just doesn't mask the fact that he doesn't have EE's tools at bat or even in the field really. I'm having a hard time believing he could sustain an OPS over .750 and his glove just isn't going to carry that offensive level as an everyday player. I hope I'm wrong though.

Whereas I'm having a hard time believing that Edwin will ever effectively utilize even a fraction of the "tools" people have described him as having -- given his awful plate approach at the dish and his continuously poor fielding at third (seriously, it's going on 3 seasons of bad defense now; the light ain't coming on).

Potato v. Potatoe -- I think there are valid points on both sides.

I err on the side of what's working as opposed to what hasn't worked in the past but has the potential of working better in the future.

remdog
05-12-2009, 12:58 AM
I'm really struggling to to think of what (positive) tool EE has defensively at third.

Quick reflexes, good hands, strong arm...? His problems come on poor footwork. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever figure that aspect out just as many here are wondering.

But, his bat is, potentially, the one power RH bat in the lineup. Brandon Phillips has jumped the shark trying to be that bat and it ain't him.

Whether someone likes EdE at third or not, we need his bat.

Rem

OUReds
05-12-2009, 01:04 AM
Quick reflexes, good hands, strong arm...?

Rem

Sorry, I just don't see any of these things.

He's consistently last in plays made in his zone. A lot of that is his atrocious footwork/throwing, but his his hands and reflexes aren't anything special either. Less arm then Rosales as well IMHO.

kaldaniels
05-12-2009, 01:08 AM
Quick reflexes, good hands, strong arm...? His problems come on poor footwork. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever figure that aspect out just as many here are wondering.

But, his bat is, potentially, the one power RH bat in the lineup. Brandon Phillips has jumped the shark trying to be that bat and it ain't him.

Whether someone likes EdE at third or not, we need his bat.

Rem

I'm looking at the Rosales/Edwin discussion and each side has a valid argument. I don't know the right answer.

I worry that Edwin will pickup where April left off.
I worry that Rosales could be a once-around the league and done type of guy.

Either one could happen. Either one might not happen.

WVRedsFan
05-12-2009, 01:17 AM
I'm looking at the Rosales/Edwin discussion and each side has a valid argument. I don't know the right answer.

I worry that Edwin will pickup where April left off.
I worry that Rosales could be a once-around the league and done type of guy.

Either one could happen. Either one might not happen.

The sad thing is both are likely to happen. I think the Reds really need to shop for (but not have to panic to find) a shortstop and a third sacker. They can take their time and move Edwin or Adam to do it. Edwin isn't well regarded around the league, so Adam is the best shot with his upside now.

Of course, that isn't going to happen.

Never mind.

VR
05-12-2009, 01:36 AM
And 2nd to last in qualified ERA. (56th)

Good call.....just goes to show you how lame ERA is :)

pedro
05-12-2009, 02:05 AM
Whereas I'm having a hard time believing that Edwin will ever effectively utilize even a fraction of the "tools" people have described him as having -- given his awful plate approach at the dish and his continuously poor fielding at third (seriously, it's going on 3 seasons of bad defense now; the light ain't coming on).

Potato v. Potatoe -- I think there are valid points on both sides.

I err on the side of what's working as opposed to what hasn't worked in the past but has the potential of working better in the future.

I'd love for just about anybody to Wally Pipp Edwin because I'm just not sold on him either, I just don't think Rosales is it either although from a pure asthetic sense he's way more fun to watch than Encarnacion.

mth123
05-12-2009, 06:36 AM
Willy Taveras= Rennie Stennet

Good comp. If it were the 70s, and Taveras a MI, he'd be fine. I lke more power from the OF in the current era. But hats off to Willy, he's done really well so far.

Ron Madden
05-13-2009, 02:55 AM
Taveras has been doing well, I hope his year end stats prove my prediction of him being a waste of resources proves me wrong.

:)

traderumor
05-13-2009, 09:59 AM
Taveras has been doing well, I hope his year end stats prove my prediction of him being a waste of resources proves me wrong.

:)Hey, I think me and Walt Jocketty were the only two excited about his signing. But don't worry, if we do get our money's worth out of him, you always have the backup of "well, things may have turned out ok, but his numbers coming in made it a bad signing, regardless of how he performs" ;)

Ron Madden
05-14-2009, 03:14 AM
don't worry, if we do get our money's worth out of him, you always have the backup of "well, things may have turned out ok, but his numbers coming in made it a bad signing, regardless of how he performs" ;)

Very true.

;)