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WildcatFan
05-15-2009, 12:16 PM
There are five 20-win teams in the NL, and four of them are in the Central. Is it going to take 95 wins to take this thing, or is it just a matter of scheduling? Seems like it's gone from the weakest division in baseball to the strongest on two years, and just when Cincinnati was starting to turn things around.

On the bright side, the Reds are playing well against Central teams, Which is a sign that they may be a better team than we think. We can only hope.

bgwilly31
05-15-2009, 01:04 PM
yeah i think everybody knows that we have beaten the cubs. we have beaten the brewers. We have beaten the cards.

I think most of us are just nervous to think it. We dont really know how to react to our team winning! Its been soo long. And for some of us NEVER. :beerme:

GIDP
05-15-2009, 01:22 PM
Its probably goin to take 95 games. There is no way all 4 teams, Brewers, Reds, Cardinals, and Cubs, all fall off.

mroby85
05-15-2009, 01:58 PM
yeah i think everybody knows that we have beaten the cubs. we have beaten the brewers. We have beaten the cards.

I think most of us are just nervous to think it. We dont really know how to react to our team winning! Its been soo long. And for some of us NEVER. :beerme:

I'm in with the never, but i've gotta say i'm lovin it! :D

bounty37h
05-15-2009, 02:34 PM
more wins then the other teams.

xavr1
05-15-2009, 03:09 PM
Going to take at least 95 games to win. The wild card, I think, is our best shot. If we stay competitive in the Central, we will be favorites in the wild card race come September.

Hondo
05-16-2009, 05:15 PM
If the Reds get Ninja Skills, and Computer Hacking Skills... They will win the Division.

:duel:

dunner13
05-16-2009, 06:43 PM
right now the reds are on pace for like 92-93 win, i think anyway. Personally I dont think they have overachieved much yet, some of our pitching can be more consistent and some of our hitters could take off soon. Will probably have some injuries and some other problems but if we keep up this pace I can see jocketty going after a big bat at the deadline (holliday possibly) which could bump us up to 95 wins.

DTCromer
05-16-2009, 07:21 PM
You gotta like the Reds chances in the long haul. We clearly have the best pitching staff among anyone in the Division and our offense is certainly good enough to get us at least 80 wins.

The Cubs bullpen is inconsistent while their starting pitching is "blah."

St. Louis is the one team we should be worried about just by saying the name "Pujols."

Dude Rock
05-16-2009, 07:36 PM
I think the Brewers are peaking right now.
The Cubs are overrated.
St. Louis doesn't have as good of pitching as we do.

Last time I checked, Bruce has 10 HR's and Dunn has 11 HR's. Why do people miss Dunn?
Last time I checked, Votto was leading the NL in batting average.
Last time I checked, the Reds were top 3 in team e.r.a. in the NL and top 6 in batting averaged in the NL. And the Reds have already faced some of the toughest pitching in the NL and survived nicely.

Ghosts of 1990
05-17-2009, 12:44 AM
Smoke and mirrors will only work for so long. We saw it in 2002, 2003, 2004. We need to add some bats to compete.

BluegrassRedleg
05-17-2009, 04:07 AM
You can't lose series to the Padres. That's a starting point.

reds1869
05-17-2009, 08:16 AM
You can't lose series to the Padres. That's a starting point.

It happens. I'm not too upset about the two losses. If it becomes a consistent problem then there is a problem, but as it is we will at worst be .500 for the road trip.

I think 95 wins will do the trick and whoever finishes second will grab the Wild Card. I think that second place team will be us and first will be the Cardinals.

Dude Rock
05-21-2009, 01:07 AM
It's going to take a trade for a RH hitting LFer or 3Bman.

Teams essentially already out of it: Baltimore, Cleveland, Oakland, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

What would it take to get Adam Jones from Baltimore? I doubt they would trade him since he is so young and having a good season.

Matt Holliday has his average up to .268 after struggling early on in the season. I don't want to trade the farm for a rental player though.

Let's trade for Ryan Zimmerman of the Nationals. (dream on)

We could propose a change of scenery trade with Arizona, EE for Mark Reynolds. Each of those players have their issues.

I'd love to pry Justin Upton away from the D'backs. Again......dream on.

I've mentioned trying to get Aaron Rowand from the Giants. I think they do that deal, and I'd do it if we didn't have to give up much. He is a gold glove CFer. We could move Tavares to LF and put Rowand in CF.

Scott Hairston of the Padres? He's 29. Having a good season. NL West teams are so far behind the ML leading Dodgers. They might be willing to deal.

All of the above players are RHers.

RedLakerFan24
05-21-2009, 01:31 AM
Peavy + Harriston for Bailey, Alonso, Stubbs, Frazier, Moloney

CincyRed44
05-21-2009, 05:44 AM
Bailey, Alonso, Stubbs, Frazier, Moloney :eek: Give them 4 of our top 5 prospects "NO WAY" :eek:

Sure I'd love to get Peavy for our rotation but two problems arise; First, his contract is heavily waited toward the back-end, which leaves very little leeway in negotiating long-term contracts for our core young players. Secondly, Peavy would not waive his no-trade clause to be shipped to Cincinnati. He's a great pitcher but I think the chasm they call Petco deflates his statistics. If we were the Cubs or Cardinals he'd probably think long and hard, but we are not, so obtaining him is highly unlikely and for that package I wouldn't want him.

What would Hairston bring that the the table that we don't already have on this team or available at AAA, nothing, so I'd pass on him as well.

DTCromer
05-21-2009, 08:35 AM
Why would we want Jake Peavy? When healthy, we have arguably the best starting 5 in the NL. If we're going to trade Alonso, Frazier, and Stubbs in the same package, we better we trading for David Wright.

Dude Rock
05-21-2009, 09:11 AM
Peavy + Harriston for Bailey, Alonso, Stubbs, Frazier, Moloney

Throw in Neftali Soto, Heisey, and the rest of our quality minor league players...........let's totally destroy our farm system............(sarcasm)

Seriously. That's why we're not trading for Peavy or Holliday. They will want the bank..........and we're not giving it to them (I hope).

Besides, we need an experienced RH bat that comes at a decent price.

Bumstead
05-21-2009, 09:29 AM
[QUOTE=Last time I checked, Bruce has 10 HR's and Dunn has 11 HR's. Why do people miss Dunn?
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Bruce replaced Griff...we miss Dunn because we don't have a LF or a true #4 hitter...you surely were kidding? Maybe we don't miss Dunn because of how great Nix, Dickerson and McDonald have been...:eek::rolleyes: Comical.

As far as how many wins it will take to win the central...it probably depends on whether the Cubs stay injured or continue to underachieve as they clearly have the best team (whether you like them or not, and I don't). I will say that the division will become a grind and if the chubs don't run away with it late and somebody else wins: 90-92 wins. I think any of the top 4 teams could potentially win the division. I still give the chubs even odds to win (50%) the division and the other 3 teams an equal chance (out of the 50%) as they all have some major deficiency.

Bum

Dude Rock
05-21-2009, 11:05 AM
Bruce replaced Griff...we miss Dunn because we don't have a LF or a true #4 hitter...you surely were kidding? Maybe we don't miss Dunn because of how great Nix, Dickerson and McDonald have been...:eek::rolleyes: Comical.

As far as how many wins it will take to win the central...it probably depends on whether the Cubs stay injured or continue to underachieve as they clearly have the best team (whether you like them or not, and I don't). I will say that the division will become a grind and if the chubs don't run away with it late and somebody else wins: 90-92 wins. I think any of the top 4 teams could potentially win the division. I still give the chubs even odds to win (50%) the division and the other 3 teams an equal chance (out of the 50%) as they all have some major deficiency.

Bum

I don't miss Dunn and his crummy fielding and lacksadaisical attitude.

DTCromer
05-21-2009, 11:06 AM
Bruce replaced Griff...

I think Darnell McDonald replaced Griff.

Bumstead
05-21-2009, 11:30 AM
DTCromer and Dude Rock: both funny posts in different ways!