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DTCromer
05-17-2009, 04:47 PM
. . and that's a big if, where do the Reds go? Rosales and Hernandez have proven they can both play 1st base so they do have some options. Barker? Dorn? They could also call up the likes of Gomes and move Hairston to 3rd base if Rosales plays 1st. No hitter, except Stubbs, has played well enough to grant them an opportunity to be called up.

What would they do IF this happens?

dougdirt
05-17-2009, 04:49 PM
Rosales at 1B, Hairston at 3B and bring someone up to play some outfield, Gomes perhaps.

DTCromer
05-17-2009, 04:53 PM
Rosales at 1B, Hairston at 3B and bring someone up to play some outfield, Gomes perhaps.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully we don't have to come to that.

NorrisHopper30
05-17-2009, 04:55 PM
Yonder is ready :).

EDIT: In all seriousness though, would Yonder be an option that would be considered if Votto got on the DL?

Benihana
05-17-2009, 06:34 PM
EDIT: In all seriousness though, would Yonder be an option that would be considered if Votto got on the DL?

No. Alonso should be called up to Carolina, not Cincinnati.

(What should happen)
McDonald DFA, Gomes promoted.
Votto to DL, Sutton promoted.

Play Rosales at 1B, Sutton at 3B. When Hanigan catches, Hernandez at 1B and Rosales at 3B.

Mario-Rijo
05-17-2009, 07:01 PM
Yonder is ready :).

EDIT: In all seriousness though, would Yonder be an option that would be considered if Votto got on the DL?

He is on the 40 man, I say to heck with it bring him up. What's the worst that can happen? He sticks and Votto has to play LF when he returns?

Benihana
05-17-2009, 09:12 PM
He is on the 40 man, I say to heck with it bring him up. What's the worst that can happen?

Please see Bailey, Homer

Mario-Rijo
05-17-2009, 09:18 PM
Please see Bailey, Homer

The difference is Bailey wasn't anywhere close to being ready either stuff or makeup wise. I have no concerns that Alonso could both hold his own (offensively at least) well enough to not be a complete disaster and it wouldn't hurt his confidence in the least. Probably just make him work that much harder to get here. I don't think it is a fair comparison at all.

GIDP
05-17-2009, 09:28 PM
Yonder could probably translate decently to the show. I would expect him to be better than McDonald haha

Benihana
05-17-2009, 09:33 PM
The difference is Bailey wasn't anywhere close to being ready either stuff or makeup wise. I have no concerns that Alonso could both hold his own (offensively at least) well enough to not be a complete disaster and it wouldn't hurt his confidence in the least. Probably just make him work that much harder to get here. I don't think it is a fair comparison at all.

Bailey had sustained success at the AAA level. Alonso has never even seen AA. The odds are extremely against making the jump from A-ball to the bigs. Why risk tainting your top prospect for a week in the bigs? I see no winning scenario out of this:

1) He stinks and loses confidence, a la Bailey- possibly setting him back and even reducing his potential trade value.
2) He does reasonably well, but gets sent back to AA upon Votto's return, possibly alienating Alonso.
3) He does well, and you alienate Votto by moving him to LF in the middle of a season where he is unquestionably your best player.

Which one of these three options are you gunning for?

cbowen2112
05-17-2009, 09:48 PM
He is on the 40 man, I say to heck with it bring him up. What's the worst that can happen? He sticks and Votto has to play LF when he returns?

Votto will not play LF.

dougdirt
05-17-2009, 10:05 PM
Votto will not play LF.

History says differently.... because he has.

cbowen2112
05-17-2009, 10:31 PM
History says differently.... because he has.

Sorry...Votto will not play LF this year in the MLB.

cbowen2112
05-17-2009, 10:34 PM
Plus Alonso will not be here anytime soon. No reason to put our best 1b in unfamiliar territory. Yes, he has played there(LF) but not frequently. He may get some games there at some point, I don't think he wants to and I don't think they should force that move.

dougdirt
05-17-2009, 10:42 PM
Plus Alonso will not be here anytime soon. No reason to put our best 1b in unfamiliar territory. Yes, he has played there(LF) but not frequently. He may get some games there at some point, I don't think he wants to and I don't think they should force that move.

He doesn't want to, but I would certainly start talking to him about it. The Reds need a bat like Alonso's in the lineup and Alonso can't play anywhere but first base. Votto has the ability to move there.

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 12:36 AM
Bailey had sustained success at the AAA level. Alonso has never even seen AA. The odds are extremely against making the jump from A-ball to the bigs. Why risk tainting your top prospect for a week in the bigs? I see no winning scenario out of this:

1) He stinks and loses confidence, a la Bailey- possibly setting him back and even reducing his potential trade value.
2) He does reasonably well, but gets sent back to AA upon Votto's return, possibly alienating Alonso.
3) He does well, and you alienate Votto by moving him to LF in the middle of a season where he is unquestionably your best player.

Which one of these three options are you gunning for?

Pete Rose went from single A to the major leagues. My point? If you can play baseball you can play baseball. What Alonso possesses over most prospects is the thing that most prospects would require to play major league baseball. All major prospects have talent, what most lack is makeup and polish Alonso has a fair degree of both as did Rose. I'm not suggesting he would set the league on fire right away but what I am suggesting is that he could hold his own better than most players in single A, AA and some in AAA. I mean you have the majority of the board who thinks he is in AAA before the season is over. Why do they think that? They think it because he can play at that level right now. And another thing if his confidence were shook after a week or 2 in the majors regardless of the outcome he'd prove worthy of being dealt anyhow. I believe his confidence is too great to be broke over a couple of weeks anyway. You can also handle him taking offense by telling him up front that this is just a cameo and he'll be headed back or to AA once Votto returns. If he does well you keep him around if he doesn't he knew all along it was just a cameo and it's nothing personal.

I suppose Votto could feel alienated if he were to come back and not have his position. However who says he has too be? If Alonso is swinging the bat that well it get's dicey, and there are a few ways to handle it fairly and keep everyone happy. Remember we did tell Alonso that no matter what this was just a cameo, you have that to fall back on if all else fails. But he'd have to set the league on fire in order to make that an issue, it's posssible but not likely. I personally feel that if you handle it correctly you can pull it all off without hurting anything. I guess what I mean is I can see several scenarios that it can work out just fine for everyone involved and very few scenarios if any that it can turn out negatively. As far as your examples go I don't believe 1 & 2 are an issue and #3 could if it's not handled properly.

DTCromer
05-18-2009, 12:40 AM
Alonso's psyche allows him to be called up from A or AA ball straight to the majors. I think he'd be fine if he stunk up the joint after following him at Miami and now with the Reds.

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 12:42 AM
Plus Alonso will not be here anytime soon. No reason to put our best 1b in unfamiliar territory. Yes, he has played there(LF) but not frequently. He may get some games there at some point, I don't think he wants to and I don't think they should force that move.

Are we to assume that you have 1st hand kowledge that would lead you to believe/know all that you say? Or is this just speculation on your part because it's perhaps the most logical conclusion? If it's the former I'd be interested in hearing more, if it's the latter well I'd agree it's probably the case but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Although knowing that we have our Manager and Front office and not Florida's front office who wouldn't hesitate to make such a move and have it payoff even then yeah I'd have to concede that my scenario is not real likely.

I will agree however that I'd prefer to keep Joey at 1st and trade Alonso for say someone like LaPorta because it's a better and more convenient fit now and into the future. But short of something like that I'd let it be Joey's choice to some extent. If he would prefer to stay there I'd just tell him that it's his job to lose, that's a fair way to go about it.

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 12:43 AM
Alonso's psyche allows him to be called up from A or AA ball straight to the majors. I think he'd be fine if he stunk up the joint after following him at Miami and now with the Reds.

I agree he has big league swagger, that ain't going no where after 2 weeks of anything.