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M2
05-18-2009, 11:02 AM
You thought the weekend would never end, but it has and now it's time for re-do a draft.

Today we're doing the 2002 draft. I hear this Gruler kid out in Oakley, CA is the next Tom Seaver. We're going 30 picks here and everybody taken in the 2002 draft is eligible, regardless if they signed. There's no formal picking order, whoever posts gets to make the next selection. Posters can make multiple picks, just don't make two selections in a row.

Anyone selected in the draft for the year in question is eligible. How he was rated prior to the draft should not be considered. The only considerations are how he has played to date and what kind of future you think he has. We're pretending we've got a time machine that takes us back to draft day 2002 with the benefit of knowing everything we know today.

Let's keep the current picks listed with each new pick and then just bold the new selection. For instance:

1. Dude A
2. Dude B
3. Dude C
4. Dude D
5. New Dude

With the benefit of hindsight I get to choose between the two things I'd be most loath to touch on draft day - prep pitchers and prep catchers. Tough choice in this case. Here's the first pick:

1. Brian McCann

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2009, 11:21 AM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels

nmculbreth
05-18-2009, 11:24 AM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton

bucksfan2
05-18-2009, 11:30 AM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke

M2
05-18-2009, 11:40 AM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke

I was between Greinke and McCann. Oddly, the amount of innings Greinke didn't throw at ages 22 and 23 might be the thing that allowed him to get to where he is in perfect health. I like his chances to throw 200+ IP for the next five years a lot better than Hamels or Kazmir.

bucksfan2
05-18-2009, 12:41 PM
I was between Greinke and McCann. Oddly, the amount of innings Greinke didn't throw at ages 22 and 23 might be the thing that allowed him to get to where he is in perfect health. I like his chances to throw 200+ IP for the next five years a lot better than Hamels or Kazmir.

I just happened to get in early and look up the 2002 draft list. Had this been may of 08 Greinke may have been a selection in the 20's now he could have gone #1.

What I found interesting was this was the money ball draft. I went back and looked through the A's selections and saw only a couple of names I knew in their first 30 or so draft picks. Neither Swisher or Blanton are anything special but they did make it to the show and Tehan was also a name that made it to the show. One Levi Burton was drafted later in the draft, but other than those 4 names I didn't recognize anyone of substance. What I did find ironic though ol' leatherpants blew the A's out of the water in the draft, but he failed to sign a key player. I would take a draft that produced Votto and Markakis any day of the week. It sure would be nice to have an OF right now of Bruce, Markakis and Taveras.

TRF
05-18-2009, 12:46 PM
I'll play.

1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain

DTCromer
05-18-2009, 01:16 PM
Too easy and a bit of a homer pick.

1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto

Redlegs212
05-18-2009, 01:36 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder

medford
05-18-2009, 01:37 PM
[QUOTE=DTCromer;1870960]Too easy and a bit of a homer pick.

1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2009, 01:48 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir

BearcatShane
05-18-2009, 01:49 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin

nate
05-18-2009, 02:03 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney

TRF
05-18-2009, 02:07 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester

DTCromer
05-18-2009, 02:19 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 02:23 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher

bucksfan2
05-18-2009, 02:25 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Matt Cain

Already taken, #5.

cincy09
05-18-2009, 02:52 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 03:04 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis

I didn't see him drafted that year. What round?

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2009, 03:10 PM
I didn't see him drafted that year. What round?

The Reds drafted Markakis in the 23rd round of the 2002 draft.

Homer Bailey
05-18-2009, 03:11 PM
The Reds drafted Markakis in the 23rd round of the 2002 draft.

I did not know that. I take it he didn't sign?

Scrap Irony
05-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Markakis a bargain that low. I might even argue him #1 overall. (Though McCann and Grienke would also be good top picks.

BRM
05-18-2009, 03:13 PM
The Reds drafted Markakis in the 23rd round of the 2002 draft.

Baseball-Reference has the Reds drafting Brian Marine in the 23rd round in 2002.

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 03:14 PM
The Reds drafted Markakis in the 23rd round of the 2002 draft.

On Baseball Cube they are saying we selected a Brian Marine that year in the 23rd.

M2
05-18-2009, 03:14 PM
Markakis a bargain that low. I might even argue him #1 overall. (Though McCann and Grienke would also be good top picks.

I considered him. Gave some thought to Curtis Granderson too.

The Brian Marine listings are wrong. Don't know how that got listed. Here's the Reds' 2002 draft list -

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/reds02.html

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2009, 03:15 PM
I did not know that. I take it he didn't sign?

The Reds drafted Markakis in the 35th round of the 2001 draft and failed to sign him. They then drafted him again in the 23rd round of the 2002 draft and again failed to sign him. He was the #1 draft and follow prospect but the Reds wouldn't give him the extra $100,000 or whatever it was he wanted. He was then drafted 7th overall by the Orioles in 2003.

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2009, 03:17 PM
On Baseball Cube they are saying we selected a Brian Marine that year in the 23rd.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=cin&year=2002

BRM
05-18-2009, 03:19 PM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=cin&year=2002

Interesting. I wonder why BR and Baseball Cube both have Brian Marine with that pick?

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 03:23 PM
Bummer, I would have taken him ahead of Swisher had I known that. Guess I better find a better list to go off of.

Good pick there Cincy09, the steal of the draft perhaps.

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 03:32 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon

nate
05-18-2009, 03:45 PM
Wasn't Papelbon drafted in 2003?

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Wasn't Papelbon drafted in 2003?

I have him down (again using Baseballcube) as being selected in the 40th rd by Oakland.

Sea Ray
05-18-2009, 03:50 PM
It'd be fun to see where these guys were actually drafted after their name in this hindsight draft

nate
05-18-2009, 04:02 PM
I have him down (again using Baseballcube) as being selected in the 40th rd by Oakland.

Ah, yes. Similar to Markakis.

Stewie
05-18-2009, 07:17 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson

OnBaseMachine
05-18-2009, 07:21 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes

Betterread
05-18-2009, 07:28 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings

Mario-Rijo
05-18-2009, 07:33 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson

Daggonit Josh Johnson I missed also, sheez. What round was he drafted in and was it the Marlins?

Stewie
05-18-2009, 07:38 PM
Daggonit Josh Johnson I missed also, sheez. What round was he drafted in and was it the Marlins?

4th round - and yes.

M2
05-18-2009, 11:22 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence

Mario-Rijo
05-19-2009, 02:13 AM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence
23. Jeremy Hermida
24. Howie Kendrick

M2
05-20-2009, 11:44 AM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence
23. Jeremy Hermida
24. Howie Kendrick
25. Dave Bush

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2009, 11:50 AM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence
23. Jeremy Hermida
24. Howie Kendrick
25. Dave Bush
26. John Maine

M2
05-20-2009, 12:56 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence
23. Jeremy Hermida
24. Howie Kendrick
25. Dave Bush
26. John Maine
27. Joe Blanton

OnBaseMachine
05-20-2009, 01:15 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence
23. Jeremy Hermida
24. Howie Kendrick
25. Dave Bush
26. John Maine
27. Joe Blanton
28. Joe Saunders

Mario-Rijo
05-20-2009, 01:22 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence
23. Jeremy Hermida
24. Howie Kendrick
25. Dave Bush
26. John Maine
27. Joe Blanton
28. Joe Saunders
29. Joel Zumaya

M2
05-20-2009, 01:25 PM
1. Brian McCann
2. Cole Hamels
3. B.J. Upton
4. Zack Greinke
5. Matt Cain
6. Joey Votto
7. Prince Fielder
8. Curtis Granderson
9. Scott Kazmir
10. Russell Martin
11. James Loney
12. Jon Lester
13. Jonathan Broxton
14. Nick Swisher
15. Nick Markakis
16. Jonathan Papelbon
17. Josh Johnson
18. Elijah Dukes
19. Denard Span
20. Micah Owings
21. Chris Snyder
22. Hunter Pence
23. Jeremy Hermida
24. Howie Kendrick
25. Dave Bush
26. John Maine
27. Joe Blanton
28. Joe Saunders
29. Joel Zumaya
30. Luke Hochevar

Mmm, delicious trade bait.