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fearofpopvol1
05-23-2009, 04:31 AM
Pythag currently says so.

Reds, 183 scored to 179 against.
Cubs, 184 scored to 179 against.

Now, some people will point to the Cubs' injuries, but you really could do the same thing for the Reds. Votto has been a non-factor for the last few weeks. Encarnacion has been out basically the whole season. Volquez is now on the DL. Massett is now on the DL. Gonzales (while not exactly an offensive force) has missed playing time.

I would actually say the Reds have had it worse injury wise than the Cubs or certainly as bad over the course of the season thus far.

mth123
05-23-2009, 04:39 AM
If all the players on both teams play to their normal capabilities, the Cubs are much better. That never happens though as some guys have career years and others get hurt or fall short. That's why they play the games.

I'd rather be in the position of having the superior team if everything goes according to norms (that is what all the off-season/roster moves, critiques and complaints are about), but nothing is destined and a surpise here or an injury there and who knows where they'll wind up.

Falls City Beer
05-23-2009, 10:09 AM
If all the players on both teams play to their normal capabilities, the Cubs are much better. That never happens though as some guys have career years and others get hurt or fall short. That's why they play the games.

I'd rather be in the position of having the superior team if everything goes according to norms (that is what all the off-season/roster moves, critiques and complaints are about), but nothing is destined and a surpise here or an injury there and who knows where they'll wind up.

The Cubs are not *much* better. I'll take the Reds bullpen and top three starters over the Cubs' in a heartbeat. And honestly, I'd take the solid percentage of the Reds' offense over theirs.

If we're looking at runs scored, the Reds aren't all that far off of the Cardinals either--they're ahead of the Reds by 16 runs, but they've also played one more game than the Reds. The Central is a division with a startling amount of parity right now. Yes, teams will begin to distance themselves from one another (this is usually the time when that happens), but right now, only the Brewers are clearly out in front offensively (but not pitching-wise).

traderumor
05-23-2009, 11:21 AM
The Cubs have more potential firepower, but Ramirez and Lee are getting old, and Lee is noticably less formidable as a 3 hitter. The rotation is shaky and dependant on old arms repeating what they did last year. I think there are a lot of balancing factors on teams in this division that should lead to as good a pennant race as the AL East is shaping up to be.

Brewers-top 5 offense, below average pitching staff
Cardinals-I don't know how they do it every year. Maybe Tony LaRussa is as smart as he thinks he is?
Cubs-aging, pitching issues, esp. over the long haul of the season
Reds-bordering on above average pitching, below average offense, need some support players to step up like is happening in St. Louis
Pirates-rotation is strong, but same cast of characters makes me wonder how long it will last. Better, but still just not deep enough to compete, bullpen is shaky.
Houston-lots of names, but they are closer to Social Security than they are their prime. Will Wandy Rodriguez continue to pitch like this? I doubt it. Oswalt is always one stride away from another groin injury. They and the Pirates will be duking it out for the basement. The Astros seem most likely to do some deadline dealing with all the vets that might fit a team in the pennant race.

westofyou
05-23-2009, 11:32 AM
TEAM GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS
Milwaukee 42 1388 209 354 75 7 51 596 205 .255 .349 .429 .778
St. Louis 42 1384 199 355 75 7 46 582 194 .257 .330 .421 .750
Pittsburgh 42 1423 188 367 93 9 27 559 180 .258 .327 .393 .720
Chicago Cubs 40 1345 184 331 65 5 46 544 173 .246 .329 .404 .733
Cincinnati 41 1387 183 352 70 8 42 564 173 .254 .330 .407 .737
Houston 41 1394 180 372 71 10 35 568 169 .267 .332 .407 .740

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TEAM GP W L ERA Sv CG SHO IP QS ER R BB SO BAA
St. Louis 42 25 17 3.87 14 2 3 374.1 17 161 177 143 272 .254
Cincinnati 41 22 19 4.01 11 1 6 375.0 20 167 179 158 285 .244
Milwaukee 42 26 16 4.02 16 1 2 371.2 25 166 179 148 285 .241
Pittsburgh 42 19 23 4.11 8 2 4 367.2 25 168 178 155 232 .255
Chicago Cubs 40 21 19 4.38 9 0 1 351.2 23 171 179 159 330 .242
Houston 41 18 22 4.68 9 0 2 365.2 17 190 201 151 284 .277

oneupper
05-23-2009, 11:37 AM
Not to nitpick woy since the stats are great, but Milwaukee's offensive stats are missing from the table.

fearofpopvol1
05-26-2009, 01:18 AM
Updated:

Reds Runs Scored: 201
Reds Runs Scored Against: 194

Cubs Runs Scored: 195
Cubs Runs Scored Against: 199

Reds are now 2.5 games up on the Cubs.

traderumor
05-26-2009, 10:48 AM
And the Cubs lost their 8th in a row, at home, giving up 10 runs to the Pirates. I wonder if more Reds fans are aware of this than Cubs fans? ;)

Falls City Beer
05-26-2009, 10:53 AM
The big story has been their weak offense, but that should improve. Their bullpen, on the other hand, is a festering wound that is unlikely to heal, barring some massive trade.

fisch11
05-26-2009, 02:00 PM
This thread could arguably be renamed, "Are the Cubs as good as the Reds this year?"

fearofpopvol1
05-26-2009, 03:34 PM
The big story has been their weak offense, but that should improve. Their bullpen, on the other hand, is a festering wound that is unlikely to heal, barring some massive trade.

They should've never let Wood go. That was a bad idea. And trading DeRosa looks awfully suspect right now. He could easily be helping out their club right now.

Tornon
05-26-2009, 03:51 PM
And trading DeRosa looks awfully suspect right now. He could easily be helping out their club right now.

They let DeRosa walk as a free agent, didn't they?

Edit: Nevermind, dunno why I thought that

Strikes Out Looking
05-26-2009, 04:15 PM
I hate the Cubs, and smile every day they are below the Reds in the standings.

hebroncougar
05-26-2009, 05:06 PM
I hate the Cubs, and smile every day they are below the Reds in the standings.

+1, the only Cub I can even begin to like is Lou Pinella. I'd love to have him back here. I still think one of the worst offseason contract handouts in the long run will be Dempsters.