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fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 04:27 PM
Apparantly the umpire said that if it was even drizzling just a little bit, they weren't going to take the tarp off.

Really? That's extremely lame. Just get the game over with already. It doesn't look like the rain is going to let up and it's only supposed to get worse as the evening goes on.

Scrap Irony
05-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Active: Santana. Maybe, after this season, King Felix.

Retired: Walter Johnson

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:29 PM
Active: Cole Hamels

Guy's I've seen: Bob Gibson

All Time- Walter Johnson or Christy Mathewson.

alloverjr
05-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Esatimated start time 4:45.

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Tarp coming off. Est start in 15 minutes or so.

gm
05-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Babe Ruth would be a good choice in category #2

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Grounds crew is pulling the tarp off. Just get one more out quickly!

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Babe Ruth would be a good choice in category #2

Good thought.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:33 PM
So is it safe to assume Harang won't be coming back out? Or did he throw enough to stay loose and get one more out and be eligible for the W?

_Sir_Charles_
05-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Santana

Pedro at the top of his game

gm
05-25-2009, 04:34 PM
Good thought.

Or Carl Hubbell

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/asgbox/yr1934as.shtml

fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 04:34 PM
So is it safe to assume Harang won't be coming back out? Or did he throw enough to stay loose and get one more out and be eligible for the W?

Harang has to be done. Too much time has passed and he threw over 80 pitches.

If they just record 1 more out, who does get the win? Is it Harang? Or is it the guy that records 1 out (since it's not a full game)? I don't know the answer to that.

fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 04:35 PM
Brew Crew beats the Cards in the 10th inning on a Bill Hall RBI single (with 2 outs no less). Impressive.

klw
05-25-2009, 04:35 PM
Harang has to be done. Too much time has passed and he threw over 80 pitches.

If they just record 1 more out, who does get the win? Is it Harang? Or is it the guy that records 1 out (since it's not a full game)? I don't know the answer to that.

Not Harang but otherwise I believe the official scorer has discretion.

HotCorner
05-25-2009, 04:35 PM
Harang has to be done. Too much time has passed and he threw over 80 pitches.

If they just record 1 more out, who does get the win? Is it Harang? Or is it the guy that records 1 out (since it's not a full game)? I don't know the answer to that.

Scorer's decision.

Hoosier Red
05-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Tarp coming off. Est start in 15 minutes or so.

Shows what I know. I thought that's what Marty said initially though.

fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Interesting. Well, I'd think Harang would get it in the case. 3 runs isn't exactly a ton for 5 innings.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:37 PM
That's interesting that the official scorer has discretion. It makes sense, but I just always figured you had to go 5 full to get the W.

klw
05-25-2009, 04:38 PM
Interesting. Well, I'd think Harang would get it in the case. 3 runs isn't exactly a ton for 5 innings.

I think Harang can not get it but anyone else could. Hopefully such a question is not getting too far ahead of things.

PuffyPig
05-25-2009, 04:40 PM
That's interesting that the official scorer has discretion. It makes sense, but I just always figured you had to go 5 full to get the W.


THe official scorer has discretion if the starter doesn't go 5 and leaves with a lead, which the team never gives up. But it can't go to the starter. It has to go to a subsequent pitcher.

BCubb2003
05-25-2009, 04:40 PM
Paint a beard on Micah Owings and send him out in Harang's jersey?

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:42 PM
THe official scorer has discretion if the starter doesn't go 5 and leaves with a lead, which the team never gives up. But it can't go to the starter. It has to go to a subsequent pitcher.

Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense!

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:43 PM
Jared Burton taking over where Harang left off.

klw
05-25-2009, 04:43 PM
THe official scorer has discretion if the starter doesn't go 5 and leaves with a lead, which the team never gives up. But it can't go to the starter. It has to go to a subsequent pitcher.

Thank you for phrasing that more clearly than I have.

fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 04:45 PM
What the heck???? Harang is back out?!?

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:46 PM
Wow. Scrap that Burton coming in....Harang is back out for the W. Marty initially said Burton was coming on.

Kc61
05-25-2009, 04:47 PM
What the heck???? Harang is back out?!?

I sense about 500 posts will comment on this move.

Hoosier Red
05-25-2009, 04:47 PM
Harang's jersey should have said "This one's to bother Redszone"

fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 04:47 PM
If it's just for 1 batter...fine. but nothing more. please.

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:48 PM
I hope the W is worth it.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:48 PM
2 hours and 3 minutes since Harang's last pitch. Just get the out and get some ice.

Falls City Beer
05-25-2009, 04:48 PM
For the first time in a long time, I really disagree with Dusty's move here. Though I'm certain it's Harang's idea. Still Dusty has the authority to put his foot down.

BCubb2003
05-25-2009, 04:48 PM
Harang pitching on 2 hours rest.

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 04:49 PM
i've lost track of the order, but isn't the pitcher's spot due up for the reds in the bottom half of the inning?

fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Hit for Pence. And you know Dusty is going to let Harang continue to pitch.

Got to make sure Harang has a chance at that Win!!!!!!

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:49 PM
There's a hit. Ugh!!!

Kc61
05-25-2009, 04:50 PM
Base hit. Ball falls in front of Gomes who probably couldn't get to it due to wet field.

Looked very catchable, but it must be tough going out there.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:50 PM
Harang pitching on 2 hours rest.
:laugh:

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:51 PM
Harang's velocity seems to be fine.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:53 PM
K! Now let's try not to blow the W!

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:53 PM
Harang's velocity seems to be fine.

Not worried about today with this move. It could be OK, but the concern is the aftermath.

Nice K. Now get him out of there.

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 04:53 PM
ok, no damage done. call it a night...

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Base hit. Ball falls in front of Gomes who probably couldn't get to it due to wet field.

Looked very catchable, but it must be tough going out there.

For a minute, I thought that was Griffey out there with the way he played that one.;)

_Sir_Charles_
05-25-2009, 04:55 PM
K to end the inning.

I know everybody's going to go berserk about Dusty letting Aaron go back out there...but every pitcher is different. Considering Aaron's luck vs the Astros lately, I bet he argued pretty hard to let him go back in. As long as it was just a handful of pitches in low leverage situations...I'm not too upset about it.

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 04:55 PM
93 pitches for harang...

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:55 PM
Not worried about today with this move. It could be OK, but the concern is the aftermath.

Nice K. Now get him out of there.

So true. I'm not crazy about it myself. It reminds me of the San Diego game last year when Harang came on in relief. He was nasty and looked great then, but he subsequent starts were the opposite. I am just hoping that Harang felt really loose when they resumed and convinced Dusty he was good for another out before exiting. Although, as a manager you are supposed to not let players convince you on the tough decisions. (i.e. Pedro Martinez)

cincrazy
05-25-2009, 04:56 PM
Does Harang SERIOUSLY have a batting helmet on?

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:57 PM
Does Harang SERIOUSLY have a batting helmet on?

Yes, but I am absolutely sure it is only for bunting purposes if the opportunity is right. Why waste a position player to bunt?

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:57 PM
Votto time??

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:58 PM
Joey Votto PH in the 5th? Interesting.

CTA513
05-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Harang should have let Baker know he was batting 1.000 today.

:)

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 04:59 PM
votto's obp goes up :thumbup:

mth123
05-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Joey Votto PH in the 5th? Interesting.

Had a runner on. Willy gets no respect.

The Astros ought to know.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Harang should have let Baker know he was batting 1.000 today.

:)

Carve that in stone somewhere.

BCubb2003
05-25-2009, 05:00 PM
I think that's the plan for using Votto for now. Send him up for the pitcher and let him get walked.

CTA513
05-25-2009, 05:00 PM
Tejada just butchered a double play and ended up getting 0 outs.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:00 PM
Tejada never touched second. Neither did Votto until after the play.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:01 PM
Burton is coming in. Better tack on some here.

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:01 PM
Muffed DP Reds get a highly unusual break. Bases loaded.

You have to wonder if Taveras helps cause those errors because the fielders are rushing things due to his speed. He' probably most successful, WT, when he just hits the ball on the ground.

Let's go Hairston.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 05:02 PM
Insurance runs in the 5th!

_Sir_Charles_
05-25-2009, 05:02 PM
Hold the phone...did the Reds just catch a break? *falls down dizzy*

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:02 PM
OK. Sac Fly. Now Dickerson against a RH.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Muffed DP Reds get a highly unusual break. Bases loaded.

You have to wonder if Taveras helps cause those errors because the fielders are rushing things due to his speed. He' probably most successful, WT, when he just hits the ball on the ground.

Let's go Hairston.

Excellent point on Willy T. Opposing defenders are definitely affected when they know that they have to rush everything.

fisch11
05-25-2009, 05:04 PM
Hold the phone...did the Reds just catch a break? *falls down dizzy*

Better get some anti-biotics for that inner ear infection. AKA Joey Votto's Disease.

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 05:05 PM
gomes to break it open??

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:05 PM
I'd go Nix here against the RH. Need Laynce defense from here on out anyhow.

Chip R
05-25-2009, 05:06 PM
Santana

Pedro at the top of his game


I'm a little late to the party but I'd agree with this.

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:08 PM
I'd go Nix here against the RH. Need Laynce defense from here on out anyhow.

Good point. I just think Dusty's enamored with Gomes right now. Probably kicking himself that the guy was ever sent down.

fearofpopvol1
05-25-2009, 05:09 PM
That was a fantastic AB by Gomes. Nicely done for the hacker!

fisch11
05-25-2009, 05:09 PM
Keep 'em coming! 8 runs scored in a game in which Harang started! What?!

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:09 PM
Good AB Gomes. (Plate appearance actually).

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 05:09 PM
after being down 0 - 2, gomes draws the bb...excellent plate appearance...

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:10 PM
That was a fantastic AB by Gomes. Nicely done for the hacker!

Wonderful at bat. Aggressive hitter falls behind yet is patient and takes the walk against the good stuff/subpar command reliever.

Really a professional at bat. Gomes has been impressive so far.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:14 PM
Huh!!! 5 Run lead and you take the team's best defender out. Is Janish hurt somehow?

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 05:15 PM
burton can't find the strike zone...walks will haunt...

CTA513
05-25-2009, 05:15 PM
Fine him for that walk

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:17 PM
Bring on Carlos. Burton needs to go down when Masset comes back. Hopefully he finds it and comes back in a few weeks as the guy he was last year.

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:17 PM
Somebody tell the Reds that Burton used to throw 94 and now throws 89-90.

CTA513
05-25-2009, 05:18 PM
Burton is going to find himself in AAA if he keeps pitching like this when Masset is ready to return.

_Sir_Charles_
05-25-2009, 05:18 PM
That was freaking hilarious. Matsui never looks at his 3rd base coach and Phillips/Gonzo pretend to turn a double play on an invisible ball. Matsui BUYS it and holds...then realized he was duped and only gets to second. Classic. :O)

BCubb2003
05-25-2009, 05:20 PM
That was freaking hilarious. Matsui never looks at his 3rd base coach and Phillips/Gonzo pretend to turn a double play on an invisible ball. Matsui BUYS it and holds...then realized he was duped and only gets to second. Classic. :O)

That's cheating!

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:20 PM
Nice play Rosales.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:21 PM
Burton gives back the 2 the Reds just got. Now Berkman is up with a man on.

Falls City Beer
05-25-2009, 05:22 PM
Why on earth is Burton still with this club?

CTA513
05-25-2009, 05:22 PM
Burton is making it easy for the Reds to pick who gets the boot.

CTA513
05-25-2009, 05:23 PM
Why on earth is Burton still with this club?

The same reason why Lincoln is still with the Reds.

BCubb2003
05-25-2009, 05:23 PM
Burton gives back the 2 the Reds just got. Now Berkman is up with a man on.

You have to think of it as the Reds got the 2 they knew Burton would give up.

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:23 PM
When Massett comes up, Burton should go to AAA to work things out.

If Lincoln doesn't improve soon, Roenicke should come up to replace him.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:25 PM
The same reason why Lincoln is still with the Reds.

Not really. Lincoln has a bad contract that makes the Reds stuck for a while. Burton has options. A serious team can't have two mop up guys. Burton has to be the one to go when Masset and Volquez return (Castillo probably goes down first).

Falls City Beer
05-25-2009, 05:26 PM
I don't get the lack of respect this club shows to the Astros' offense. There should be only the best relievers out there against them. We're verging on two decades of Astros' dominance over the Reds. You'd think they'd take them a bit more seriously. Or, I don't know, scout their hitters better or something.

_Sir_Charles_
05-25-2009, 05:26 PM
That's cheating!

No, that's Phillips. The same guy who swipes 2 bases with the switch on. :O) He does make some intelligent plays that don't always show up in the box score. If he was a first baseman...he would've pulled the hidden ball trick at least once this year. *grin*

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:28 PM
I don't get the lack of respect this club shows to the Astros' offense. There should be only the best relievers out there against them. We're verging on two decades of Astros' dominance over the Reds. You'd think they'd take them a bit more seriously. Or, I don't know, scout their hitters better or something.

Rhodes, Weathers and Cordero can't pitch every inning.

Falls City Beer
05-25-2009, 05:30 PM
Rhodes, Weathers and Cordero can't pitch every inning.

Couldn't hurt to test that theory. Not against this club. Promise them a week off after the Astros leaves.

BCubb2003
05-25-2009, 05:30 PM
No, that's Phillips. The same guy who swipes 2 bases with the switch on. :O) He does make some intelligent plays that don't always show up in the box score. If he was a first baseman...he would've pulled the hidden ball trick at least once this year. *grin*

Yes, Phillips seems to treat the field as his playground, inventing new plays because he's so comfortable there. Mostly, it's a joy to watch.

_Sir_Charles_
05-25-2009, 05:30 PM
I don't get the lack of respect this club shows to the Astros' offense. There should be only the best relievers out there against them. We're verging on two decades of Astros' dominance over the Reds. You'd think they'd take them a bit more seriously. Or, I don't know, scout their hitters better or something.

No, I think we know thier hitters well enough. It's not scouting. And I consider Burton one of our better relievers. He's struggled this year, but he's certainly got the stuff. If we don't continue to use him, he'll never break out of his funk. And a 5 run lead is a pretty safe place to use him.

In regards to Berkman, yes I know he's killed the Reds in Cincy (or in Houston), but he's struggling this year...going after him IS the right move. You'll never break that dominance by giving him free passes. (last part wasn't directed at you FCB...just a few comments earlier in the game)

_Sir_Charles_
05-25-2009, 05:31 PM
Yes, Phillips seems to treat the field as his playground, inventing new plays because he's so comfortable there. Mostly, it's a joy to watch.

Bingo!

~edit~ I'm an idiot. I forgot that Phillips isn't even PLAYING today. That was Hairston who made that fake. Hehe. You just get used to seeing somebody at a position. Oh well, fun play none the less.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:33 PM
Carlos coming in to face Carlos. 8-5 Reds after 6.

BearcatShane
05-25-2009, 05:34 PM
Didn't Dusty say he would not let Owings pinch hit the day before a scheduled start? Could Masset be starting tomorrow?

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:36 PM
Lee pops to Votto. 1 Out.

pahster
05-25-2009, 05:38 PM
I don't get the lack of respect this club shows to the Astros' offense. There should be only the best relievers out there against them. We're verging on two decades of Astros' dominance over the Reds. You'd think they'd take them a bit more seriously. Or, I don't know, scout their hitters better or something.

The Astros are 13th in the league in runs scored. They've earned no respect.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:38 PM
Pence walks,

GADawg
05-25-2009, 05:38 PM
yep, all y'all critics were correct...Keppinger can't hit and has nothing to add:rolleyes:

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:39 PM
DP! 5-4-3. Fisher specializes in getting grounders.

Falls City Beer
05-25-2009, 05:40 PM
Hot Carlos.

CTA513
05-25-2009, 05:40 PM
yep, all y'all critics were correct...Keppinger can't hit and has nothing to add:rolleyes:

3 for 3 got his May batting average up to .243

Falls City Beer
05-25-2009, 05:40 PM
The Astros are 13th in the league in runs scored. They've earned no respect.

They still know how to pound Reds' pitching.

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 05:41 PM
yep, all y'all critics were correct...Keppinger can't hit and has nothing to add:rolleyes:

the biggest problem with kepp, is that we already had a handful of players just like him...in addition, his defense is what was really lacking.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:46 PM
the biggest problem with kepp, is that we already had a handful of players just like him...in addition, his defense is what was really lacking.

He can't play any position that his bat can justify. The Reds have a ton of cheap guys who can do the same.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:47 PM
Votto Ks

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 05:50 PM
wt doubles

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 05:52 PM
hairston k

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 05:54 PM
dickerson caught looking for a k

GADawg
05-25-2009, 05:55 PM
mth123 for General Manager!

maybe Grande can pronounce that...he seems to think that Jocketty has a "R" in it.

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:56 PM
Who pitches now?

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:57 PM
Who pitches now?

Still Carlos.

mth123
05-25-2009, 05:58 PM
Nice play by Votto, 1 out,

Kc61
05-25-2009, 05:59 PM
Fisher is proving something out there. Let's hope he gets through this inning ok.

GADawg
05-25-2009, 05:59 PM
Quick game thread poll....anyone's favorite player not Adam Rosales?

mth123
05-25-2009, 06:00 PM
Fisher is proving something out there. Let's hope he gets through this inning ok.

If they intend to send him back down, they sure are using him in fairly critical spots.

Falls City Beer
05-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Jason-Brett-Shawn Michaels pops out.

mth123
05-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Michaels with a Pop to Hairston after a walk to Kepp. 2 Outs, Kepp on first.

Kc61
05-25-2009, 06:02 PM
If they intend to send him back down, they sure are using him in fairly critical spots.

Have a feeling that Dusty made a decision that Weathers and Rhodes are unavailable today except in a crisis. They've pitched for several consecutive days.

I agree with mth. If Dusty is taking a liking to this young pitcher, he'll stay with the team. He certainly is earning his shot right now.

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 06:04 PM
GOMES!!!!!!! nice grab to end the inning

mth123
05-25-2009, 06:04 PM
Have a feeling that Dusty made a decision that Weathers and Rhodes are unavailable today except in a crisis. They've pitched for several consecutive days.

I agree with mth. If Dusty is taking a liking to this young pitcher, he'll stay with the team. He certainly is earning his shot right now.

He gives up a hit to Bourne. Stumbling a bit now. Nice play Gomes for the 3rd out. Who needs a defensive replacement?

Chip R
05-25-2009, 06:06 PM
I agree with mth. If Dusty is taking a liking to this young pitcher, he'll stay with the team. He certainly is earning his shot right now.


Now with McDonald gone, maybe Dusty will introduce him to his daughter. ;)

guttle11
05-25-2009, 06:08 PM
Johnny Gomes > Bill Brasky.

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 06:11 PM
hernandez flies out to right

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 06:12 PM
gonzo flies out to center

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 06:14 PM
technical difficulties, but of course, the commercials come through fine:rolleyes:

Chip R
05-25-2009, 06:15 PM
Nice work by Fisher. Too bad he won't stay in there to get the save.

Chip R
05-25-2009, 06:15 PM
technical difficulties, but of course, the commercials come through fine:rolleyes:


:lol:

Hoosier Red
05-25-2009, 06:16 PM
yep, all y'all critics were correct...Keppinger can't hit and has nothing to add:rolleyes:


Just curious, who would you take Keppinger over this year?

Red in Chicago
05-25-2009, 06:19 PM
REDS Win!!!

PuffyPig
05-25-2009, 06:20 PM
Just curious, who would you take Keppinger over this year?


Rosales.

Edit: I mean I would take Rosales over Keppeinger any day. And if we had Keppinger, Rosales wouldn't be here.

PuffyPig
05-25-2009, 06:21 PM
Nice work by Fisher. Too bad he won't stay in there to get the save.


Why would you want to leave in a tiring rookie when we have Cordero who has been perfect in this role this year?

Gallen5862
05-25-2009, 06:22 PM
"And This One Belongs To The Reds."

GADawg
05-25-2009, 06:23 PM
Just curious, who would you take Keppinger over this year?

I'm happy with the way the things are for the most part....but if I was a brand new fan who knew nothing about the Reds I was told that Keppinger was worthless....Hairston couldn't play short....Tavares couldn't get on(and in some cases couldn't play D..today's gaffe in cf notwithstanding)....Dickerson was the LF of the future(I like him I wish he was)....Phillips should be traded while he has some value...etc...etc..etc... just wondering at what point you retract some of that or admit that maybe the hierarchy knows a little somthin' somthin'

VR
05-25-2009, 06:33 PM
Thanks for those 8 unearned runs. Otherwise the Reds lose 5-0. :)

redsmetz
05-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Thanks for those 8 unearned runs. Otherwise the Reds lose 5-0. :)

It's a wonderful game, isn't it?

traderumor
05-25-2009, 08:20 PM
Something begging the question right now. When you bring up a player from AAA because the guy he is replacing loses his place on the roster like the Gomes/McDonald transaction, then you are batting the guy you brought up from AAA in the 4 hole, and it isn't really because of injuries, but its because that is where he should be hitting, you have screwed up. But, that makes me wonder if McDonald may have been a GM more than a manager decision.

I mean, come on, you don't call up clean up hitters from AAA in late May unless its some hot prospect busting his way into the majors. Of course, it is also an indictment on the overall weakness of the lineup (some due to injuries)

BearcatShane
05-25-2009, 09:34 PM
You know, I can kind of see why they would of chose McDonald. They didn't anticipate him hitting that poorly and they probably assumed he would play pretty good defense, which he did not. I have a new appreciation for outfield defence after watching Hairston and Dickerson play left, I realize that stopping a ball from going to the wall and saving 2-5 hits a week can really, really help. I do like Gomes though and even know some balls will drop in front of him and get by him from time to time, his bat will make up for it. Especially only playing against lefties. I would of taken Gomes instead of McDonald out of spring training, the Reds did make a mistake, but I think I can kind of se their logic. Maybe.

traderumor
05-25-2009, 09:51 PM
Well, I do see in another thread that I was wrong, it was apparently Dusty who seemed to go to bat (pardon the pun) for McDonald

Ron Madden
05-25-2009, 09:53 PM
You know, I can kind of see why they would of chose McDonald. They didn't anticipate him hitting that poorly and they probably assumed he would play pretty good defense, which he did not. I have a new appreciation for outfield defence after watching Hairston and Dickerson play left, I realize that stopping a ball from going to the wall and saving 2-5 hits a week can really, really help. I do like Gomes though and even know some balls will drop in front of him and get by him from time to time, his bat will make up for it. Especially only playing against lefties. I would of taken Gomes instead of McDonald out of spring training, the Reds did make a mistake, but I think I can kind of se their logic. Maybe.


Like you, I think I can understand their logic for bringing McDonald north instead of Gomes. Still doesn't change the fact that it was the wrong decision.

:)

CTA513
05-25-2009, 10:01 PM
Tampa Bay just gave up 7 runs in the 9th inning and lost 11-10