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NeilHamburger
05-26-2009, 09:51 PM
Anyone else here for starting to stretch him out and giving him a chance at the number 5 spot. Owings just doesn't have the stuff to get hitters out consistently.

Captain Hook
05-26-2009, 09:59 PM
I'm not opposed to it.I do feel Owens has done enough to this point to keep his job though.That said Owens probably does have less of a rope to hang himself with then most other 5th starters.Massett is certainly a good option.

Captain Hook
05-26-2009, 10:02 PM
Not that i'm ready to proclaim Jockety GM of the year but it seems like all of his moves work out pretty good.He basically stole Massett from the White Sox.

kentjett
05-26-2009, 10:52 PM
I'm more confident in Owings than Arroyo at this point. We need to demote Lincoln when Edinson gets back.

Shawn_RedsFan
05-26-2009, 10:59 PM
I'm more confident in Owings than Arroyo at this point.

WOW?? :rolleyes:

jmac
05-26-2009, 11:20 PM
For all the talk of Owings, including Marty on radio, after his game tonight, the guy still has ERA of 4.80. Before his last start where he got hit pretty hard by phillies, his ERA was 3.95.
What I am saying is
A: He is still a good option as a 5th starter
B: Masset has done an excellent job in the "pen" role so I wouldnt mess with it. I wouldnt mind seeing his role expanded in that capacity.

Captain Hook
05-27-2009, 12:17 AM
3 runs in 5 IP is nothing to brag about but the bottom line is that the Stros had their ace going tonight and we had our 5th starter going and we won the game.Owens wasn't great but he kept us in the game.That is his job and he did it imo.

Massett did look pretty good in his 1 inning.I think I saw 1 fastball hit 96 on the gun.

tbball10
05-27-2009, 01:11 AM
I wouldn't mess with Masset because he has been awesome in the pen. Owings has also been a solid #5 starter. We are 4-4 when he takes the mound, and we have won when he's faced Haren and Oswalt now. I'll take that out of the #5 spot.

Griffey012
05-27-2009, 01:36 AM
3 runs in 5 IP is nothing to brag about but the bottom line is that the Stros had their ace going tonight and we had our 5th starter going and we won the game.Owens wasn't great but he kept us in the game.That is his job and he did it imo.

Massett did look pretty good in his 1 inning.I think I saw 1 fastball hit 96 on the gun.

With the way our 5th starters have been the past few years it is! :eek:

corwinator3407
05-27-2009, 02:28 AM
3 runs in 5 IP is nothing to brag about but the bottom line is that the Stros had their ace going tonight and we had our 5th starter going and we won the game.Owens wasn't great but he kept us in the game.That is his job and he did it imo.

Massett did look pretty good in his 1 inning.I think I saw 1 fastball hit 96 on the gun.

Who is this "Owens" you speak of?


Leave Masset right where he is I say.

Dude Rock
05-27-2009, 02:49 AM
Well, I've defended Owings all season. Many were wanting to replace him with Bailey over and over and I was against that, and wisely so.

BUT...........Owings frustrated me tonight. His e.r.a. remains below 5.00........which is pretty good for a 5th starter. BUT...........there are no big bats out there for a reasonable trade value...........I'd much rather have Peavy if we had to sell the farm system........and I think it would scare the crud out of the rest of the NL if we got him. Just my $.02.

Hondo
05-27-2009, 01:02 PM
Well, I've defended Owings all season. Many were wanting to replace him with Bailey over and over and I was against that, and wisely so.

BUT...........Owings frustrated me tonight. His e.r.a. remains below 5.00........which is pretty good for a 5th starter. BUT...........there are no big bats out there for a reasonable trade value...........I'd much rather have Peavy if we had to sell the farm system........and I think it would scare the crud out of the rest of the NL if we got him. Just my $.02.

I agree...

I want Peavy, and Owings has been good, and frustrating... I would like to give him atleast 20-25 Starts before pulling him out... HE looks good somedays, and just seems to lose it every other start... But keep running him out there or we're never going to know what we have here...

schmidty622
05-27-2009, 01:29 PM
Well, I've defended Owings all season. Many were wanting to replace him with Bailey over and over and I was against that, and wisely so.

BUT...........Owings frustrated me tonight. His e.r.a. remains below 5.00........which is pretty good for a 5th starter. BUT...........there are no big bats out there for a reasonable trade value...........I'd much rather have Peavy if we had to sell the farm system........and I think it would scare the crud out of the rest of the NL if we got him. Just my $.02.

That is outstanding for a 5th starter.

PedroBourbon
05-27-2009, 01:39 PM
Who is this "Owens" you speak of?

You know, the guy in the order right after Johnie Kweato and Bronston Aroyah.

dunner13
05-27-2009, 02:03 PM
Im intrigued by the idea of moving owings to the pen having him be a relief pitcher/LF. Imagine Owings starting the game in left then coming in to pitch the 7th innining then trotting back out to left after that. Or coming off the bench to pinch hit and staying in the game as the left fielder or pitcher. Im not sure if it would work but it would give us alot of interesting options and owings seems like a good enough athelete to pull it off.

PedroBourbon
05-27-2009, 03:02 PM
Im intrigued by the idea of moving owings to the pen having him be a relief pitcher/LF. Imagine Owings starting the game in left then coming in to pitch the 7th innining then trotting back out to left after that. Or coming off the bench to pinch hit and staying in the game as the left fielder or pitcher. Im not sure if it would work but it would give us alot of interesting options and owings seems like a good enough athelete to pull it off.

I've thought about moving him around in the batting order to mix up the line-up a little. With the ability to do a double switch, it's not THAT imperative that pitchers always bat 9th.

ian_madden
05-27-2009, 04:45 PM
I thought for sure that Dusty would bat him 8th every time he pitches. With this you get:

Basically a double leadoff man with AGON batting 9th followed by Willy.
A chance at RBI's for your PITCHER, who will see more fastballs because they don't want to walk him.
And more protection for your 7 and 8 hitters.

But if we did this, could this tire out Owings sooner, If he is running all over the base paths, could this take the legs out from under him? Could this effect Dusty's strategy when it comes time to yank him? ie. double switch?