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Superdude
05-27-2009, 06:00 PM
I guess we signed him? Where and when is he supposed to start this year? I'm kind of psyched about that pickup considering he was once a highly touted power lefty

redsmetz
05-27-2009, 06:06 PM
There was a thread on ORG (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75996), although I'm not sure why it got posted there.

Gallen5862
05-27-2009, 09:16 PM
When does he have to be protected from the Rule V draft? How many option years does he have left?

Brutus
05-27-2009, 09:44 PM
When does he have to be protected from the Rule V draft? How many option years does he have left?

I am pretty sure he has a total of six years before he is put on the 40-man roster or exposed. Since I don't believe he's ever been on the 40-man roster, he should theoretically have three options still remaining.

RED VAN HOT
05-27-2009, 10:02 PM
When does he have to be protected from the Rule V draft? How many option years does he have left?

I'd like to see this question answered as well. If I understand the rule, he would be eligible for Rule 5 after his 5th year in the minors because he was signed at age 18. He began in 2005, so his fifth year would be this year. It is not clear, however, if being released outright would affect his eligibility. It seems to me that it should. Otherwise, teams would be discouraged from picking up a released player that needed to be developed further before going on a 40 man roster. After all, Rule 5 is there to prevent stockpiling of talent in the minors, and not to preclude the signing of minor league free agents.

dougdirt
05-27-2009, 10:29 PM
Lots of questions that likely don't need to be answered. He likely doesn't have a whole lot left or he wouldn't have been available at the end of May at a young age. I hope he breaks out and kills it for us, but I am not going to be holding my breath.

Mario-Rijo
05-28-2009, 10:36 PM
Lots of questions that likely don't need to be answered. He likely doesn't have a whole lot left or he wouldn't have been available at the end of May at a young age. I hope he breaks out and kills it for us, but I am not going to be holding my breath.

From reading the article above sounds too me like we ought to be finding answers to those questions.

lollipopcurve
05-29-2009, 08:28 AM
Lots of questions that likely don't need to be answered. He likely doesn't have a whole lot left or he wouldn't have been available at the end of May at a young age.

If his arm's healthy - and there's no reason to think it isn't -- his roster status is well worth keeping an eye on. He's a big, 22 year-old power lefty, not a veteran retread with marginal stuff.

dougdirt
05-29-2009, 01:15 PM
If his arm's healthy - and there's no reason to think it isn't -- his roster status is well worth keeping an eye on. He's a big, 22 year-old power lefty, not a veteran retread with marginal stuff.

Maybe its just me.... but I can't imagine that a 22 year old lefty with a power arm and a first round pedigree would have been available in May for next to nothing. I really hope he proves me wrong, but I just can't see a guy that fits that profile being available Mid May for a contract.

Brutus
05-29-2009, 02:00 PM
Maybe its just me.... but I can't imagine that a 22 year old lefty with a power arm and a first round pedigree would have been available in May for next to nothing. I really hope he proves me wrong, but I just can't see a guy that fits that profile being available Mid May for a contract.

Though the percentages would probably agree with you, clubs do funny things. Maybe it was an attitude issue. Maybe they simply grew impatient. There could be a variety of factors. Ultimately, I would also agree there may have been something more than mechanical (but rather physical) for them to give up on him already - but clubs sometimes do strange things.

Mario-Rijo
05-29-2009, 03:49 PM
Maybe its just me.... but I can't imagine that a 22 year old lefty with a power arm and a first round pedigree would have been available in May for next to nothing. I really hope he proves me wrong, but I just can't see a guy that fits that profile being available Mid May for a contract.

I think this explains his situation pretty good unless of course this guy who wrote it just doesn't know what he's talking about, certainly possible.


Some insight on this kid from Cub Reporter:


The Cubs selected Mark Pawelek with their #1 pick (#20 overall) in the 2005 Rule 4 (June) draft. He was the 4th HS pitcher selected in the '05 draft, but he almost certainly would have gone higher if it wasn't for the fact that he had Scott Boras as an "advisor" (unofficial agent) and that he had signed a Natioal Letter of Intent to attend Arizona State. But the Cubs were able to sign him, and he reported initially to the AZL Cubs at Fitch Park.

I saw Mark Pawelek in his first pro season at AZL Mesa (2005), and I can tell you he was as good as advertised (94 MPH fastball, plus-curve, plus-slider, and plus-change). Then he went to the AZ Instructional League post-2005, and the Cubs coaches apparently started tinkering with his pitch selections, delivery, arm slot, release point, etc (probably with the intention of trying to prevent an arm injury), and he gradually just lost confidence.

The Pawelek Family is very unusual, in that the dad fancies himself a pitching coach, and is very involved in Mark's career. His dad pitches for a top senior team, and he really knows his stuff. But he's kind of like Mike Marshall, in that he has a somewhat different approach than do most minor league pitching coaches.

Mark and his older brother Dennis (who was drafted by the White Sox, but chose to play college football instead) had a special work-out regimen back home in Utah, where their dad had them throw every day, and where Mark and Dennis were taught a particular philosophy of pitch selection.

Unfortunately, the Cubs have only one way for everybody, and Mark was forced to conform to the Cubs Way (especially when it came to side sessions and pitch selection), and apparently it messed him up.

The Cubs claimed Pawelek came to Minor League Camp in 2006 "out of shape," but he wasn't overweight or anything, he was just "messed up" mentally and his mechanics were out of whack, to where his velocity was down into the mid-80's and he couldn't throw any of his "hard" pitches (fastball and slider) for strikes. And he kept hitting batters. How much of that stemmed from his work in the AZ Instructional League after the 2005 season, I don't know, but his confidence was clearly adversely affected and he couldn't get back to where he was at AZL Cubs in 2005.

There is nothing wrong with Mark Pawelek's arm. His problems have all been related to messed-up mechanics that caused his velocity to drop into the mid-80's and his command to go haywire (where he started hitting batters with regularity), and then (with the drop in velocity and loss of command) a confidence issue ensued.

I talked to a scout from another organization last year, and he said his club is just waiting for the Cubs to give up on Pawelek so that his club can get him and "pick up the pieces." (The Cubs minor league pitching coaches are not held in real high esteem by some of the other organizations, BTW).

From what I can see, Pawelek at least appears to be getting his confidence and enthusiasm back, and he's once again relying on his innate talent and just cutting the ball loose and then whatever happens, happens. While he might continue to struggle some with command (and what 21-year old hard-throwing left-hander doesn't?), if he's got his confidence and enthusiasm back, that's half the battle.


Looks like a combination of bad coaching and immaturity hopefully the Reds have better luck with him. We don't have a great track record when it comes to developing pitchers either.

Dude Rock
05-29-2009, 08:36 PM
I think this explains his situation pretty good unless of course this guy who wrote it just doesn't know what he's talking about, certainly possible.

Good article. Good post.

Maybe a change of scenery and allowing him to get back to what made him successful will do him good.

Gallen5862
05-31-2009, 10:23 PM
Where was Pawelek assigned to? When will he make his debut?

RED VAN HOT
06-01-2009, 01:17 PM
Where was Pawelek assigned to? When will he make his debut?

I don't know the answer. I believe I can make an uneducated guess. The Golden West league is an amalgam of players with experience as high as the major leagues. It is generally considered about the level of A+. That said, Pawelek has never established that he can play there.

Given the nature and history of his problems, IMO the Reds will not want to put him into a situation that could further erode his confidence. Instead, they will want to work with him and see what they have. My guess is that he goes to the GCL for at least a month. If his progress is good, he could be reassigned to Billings or Dayton in late July. It does not sound to me as if he will be ready for Sarasota this season.

lollipopcurve
06-01-2009, 01:54 PM
My guess is he starts in Billings. It's near his home state of Utah.

TRF
06-01-2009, 02:42 PM
I'd guess A+. pitcher's league, big parks, and everyone's SLG takes a nosedive it seems. He's not a baby, and while coddling pitchers is usually a good idea, I think at 22 he needs to be challenged a little bit.

Mario-Rijo
06-01-2009, 03:27 PM
I'd guess A+. pitcher's league, big parks, and everyone's SLG takes a nosedive it seems. He's not a baby, and while coddling pitchers is usually a good idea, I think at 22 he needs to be challenged a little bit.

I was gonna say extended s/t is probably where he is initially for a couple of weeks then off to Dayton. But this is a good argument so I must agree Sarasota is a good bet.

lollipopcurve
06-01-2009, 03:52 PM
I think at 22 he needs to be challenged a little bit.

What's between the ears is more important than what's on the tires in this case, I'd say. You want him to have success out of the chute. Plenty of years left to challenge the guy.

TRF
06-01-2009, 05:01 PM
What's between the ears is more important than what's on the tires in this case, I'd say. You want him to have success out of the chute. Plenty of years left to challenge the guy.

Sarasota is the best place for that. It fits from an offensive suppression standpoint. Plus if he fails at levels he's already been, it's a waste of a signing. At 22 it's time to see if he has it between the ears.

lollipopcurve
06-01-2009, 05:16 PM
Sarasota is the best place for that. It fits from an offensive suppression standpoint.

But the hitters are a lot better than they are in Billings.


Plus if he fails at levels he's already been, it's a waste of a signing.

If he fails at Billings, that means he was not wasting a roster spot at a higher level. If he fails in Sarasota, you don't know if he could have handled an assignment at a lower level. Put him in a place where he can succeed, then move him up. Don't start him where he might fail, then move him back. Bass ackwards.


At 22 it's time to see if he has it between the ears.

We already know he got all mixed up in the Cubs organization. It's going to take time for the kid to get comfortable again. Best to initiate that process where he's got a good chance of seeing positive results. Like I said, there's plenty of time -- years -- to ramp up the competition.

dougdirt
06-01-2009, 05:20 PM
I'd guess A+. pitcher's league, big parks, and everyone's SLG takes a nosedive it seems. He's not a baby, and while coddling pitchers is usually a good idea, I think at 22 he needs to be challenged a little bit.

The guy has pitched 4 innings above rookie ball. If he goes anywhere for a full season league it ought to be Dayton.

Gallen5862
07-10-2009, 01:41 PM
Here is a update on Mark Pawelek.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476263

Mark Pawelek * 38 | P
Status: Active

Sarasota Reds
Class A Advanced Florida State League

Stats
ERA:
9.00W-L:
0-1SV:
0SO:
6 Bookmark Player
Full Name: Mark W. Pawelek
Born: 08/18/1986
Birthplace: Springville, UT
Height: 6' 3"
Weight: 190
Bats: L
Throws: L


2009 Season
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
SAR FSL 0 1 9.00 5 0 0 0 0 6.0 7 6 6 1 5 6 0.71 .280
Minors 0 1 9.00 5 0 0 0 0 6.0 7 6 6 1 5 6 0.71 .280

Last 10 Games: (Current team only)
Date OPP W L ERA SV IP H ER BB SO
Jun 13 @LAK 0 0 0.00 0 1.0 1 0 2 0
Jun 16 CLR 0 0 0.00 0 1.0 0 0 1 0
Jun 26 LAK 0 0 18.00 0 1.0 2 2 2 1
Jun 27 LAK 0 0 4.50 0 2.0 1 1 0 4
Jul 05 @CHA 0 1 27.00 0 1.0 3 3 0 1
Totals 0 1 9.00 0 6.0 7 6 5 6

*
Splits: (Current team only)
Entire Season W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
Reliever 0 1 9.00 5 0 0 0 0 6.0 7 6 6 1 5 6 0.71 .280
vs Left 54.00 0.1 5 2 2 0 0 1 .833
vs Right 6.35 5.2 2 4 4 1 5 5 0.71 .105
Home Games 0 0 6.75 3 0 0 0 0 4.0 3 3 3 1 3 5 0.40 .200
Away Games 0 1 13.50 2 0 0 0 0 2.0 4 3 3 0 2 1 1.50 .400
Night Games 0 1 9.00 5 0 0 0 0 6.0 7 6 6 1 5 6 0.71 .280
On Grass 0 1 9.00 5 0 0 0 0 6.0 7 6 6 1 5 6 0.71 .280
June 0 0 5.40 4 0 0 0 0 5.0 4 3 3 1 5 5 0.43 .211
July 0 1 27.00 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 3 3 3 0 0 1 2.00 .500
Pre All-Star 0 0 0.00 2 0 0 0 0 2.0 1 0 0 0 3 0 0.50 .143
Post All-Star 0 1 13.50 3 0 0 0 0 4.0 6 6 6 1 2 6 1.00 .333
Bases Empty 4.50 2.0 2 1 1 1 2 4 0.00 .250
Runners On 11.25 4.0 5 5 5 0 3 2 1.00 .294
Scoring Position 16.87 2.2 5 5 5 0 1 2 2.00 .385
Season Totals 0 1 9.00 5 0 0 0 0 6.0 7 6 6 1 5 6 0.71 .280

2008 Season:
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
BOI NOR 2 2 6.20 13 2 0 0 0 24.2 25 21 17 0 19 21 2.25 .272
Minors 2 2 6.20 13 2 0 0 0 24.2 25 21 17 0 19 21 2.25 .272

Biography:
Selected by the Chicago Cubs in the first round (No. 20 overall) in the 2005 First-Year Player Draft out of Springville (Utah) High School...scouted by John Bartsch.
Highlights:
Made 13 appearances -- including two starts -- for Class A Short-Season Boise in the Northwest League. Went 2-2 with a 6.20 ERA over 24 2/3 innings. Struck out 21 and walked 19...fanned season-high six after allowing two runs on a hit two walks in three innings for the victory in 8-5 win over Yakima on Aug. 4.
Began the season with the Peoria Chiefs of the Class A Midwest League, but was transferred to extended spring training April 17...broke his right (non-throwing) elbow in June after tripping over his PlayStation and slammed the joint against the corner of a wall...pitched one game with the (Rookie-level) Arizona League Cubs on July 28 against the AZL Mariners and allowed an unearned run on two hits and a walk while striking out one in one inning...promoted to the Boise Hawks of the Class A Short-Season Northwest League on July 29...did not allow a run in three of his first four appearances for Boise.
Spent the entire season with the Boise Hawks of the Class A Short-Season Northwest League, going 3-5 with a 2.51 ERA in 15 appearances (12 starts)...lost his first three decisions, before alternating wins and losses the rest of the way...surrendered 24 runs -- 17 earned -- in 61 innings...fifth in the league in ERA.
Made 14 appearances (13 starts) in his first professional season with the (Rookie-level) Arizona League Cubs...went 0-3 with a 2.72 ERA...second in the league in games started.

Benihana
07-10-2009, 02:21 PM
Sounds to me like a left-handed Josh Ravin. If they can get him straightened out, he would be a welcome pickup. Have patience...

mac624
07-10-2009, 02:24 PM
he's struggled in A+, though I'm not surprised. My guess is we'll see a completely different pitcher this time next season once he relaxes and goes back to his natural pitching form and can get through the mental part. He simply needs reps now to relearn everything.

He's not someone I'd suspect to see great things out of for awhile, but he's a lefty and has filthy stuff, so that alone will buy him time.

TRF
07-15-2009, 06:53 PM
Sarasota is the best place for that. It fits from an offensive suppression standpoint. Plus if he fails at levels he's already been, it's a waste of a signing. At 22 it's time to see if he has it between the ears.


As I have mentioned in the past... I'm a prophet. :cool:

GOYA
07-15-2009, 08:09 PM
Here's a link with a little more detail to see how his outings have been:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t535&t=p_pbp&pid=476263

Check his splits for lefties and righties.

RED VAN HOT
07-15-2009, 10:33 PM
As I have mentioned in the past... I'm a prophet. :cool:

Congratulations. I can't find my post, but I do recall that I missed it badly. I think I had him going to GCL for evaluation before assigning him. This admission gives me the right to boast should I ever get one right in the future.

TRF
07-16-2009, 03:06 PM
Congratulations. I can't find my post, but I do recall that I missed it badly. I think I had him going to GCL for evaluation before assigning him. This admission gives me the right to boast should I ever get one right in the future.

I get so few right... I had no choice but to boast. :D