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WMR
08-27-2009, 12:26 PM
There are no boosters to get him out of this one. At least he was experienced enough to refuse the BAC tests. Did he do the SFST?

No idea.

He was in town for the negotiations for a settlement... UK's position just got stronger.

WMR
08-27-2009, 12:27 PM
Is that always the best strategy? Refuse the BAC tests?

If you know you're impaired it is. It makes it much easier for your attorney to fight the charge. You automatically lose your license for a year in KY by refusing, but I'm guessing BCG couldn't care less about that.

dabvu2498
08-27-2009, 12:34 PM
Is that always the best strategy? Refuse the BAC tests? It varies some from state to state. I used to have a solid answer for Ohio. But they stiffened the penalty for refusals (license suspensions) so that it is hard to say what I used to say. "Don't walk don't talk don't blow don't go." In other words refuse to do anything and let them arrest you. I can't say that definitively anymore. Although I know what I would do. But I am not going to be in that situation.

durl
08-27-2009, 01:48 PM
5576

Anyone looking for a new avatar?

Are they sure they didn't get the guy from Jurassic Park instead?

durl
08-27-2009, 01:50 PM
Everyone watch Slick Rick's meltdown today? :D

I guess I held on to that UK basketball autographed by Rick Pitino a tad too long.

BRM
08-27-2009, 01:53 PM
But I am not going to be in that situation.

Definitely the best strategy right there.

Blimpie
08-27-2009, 05:11 PM
He's never been convicted of a DUI.

This would be his first.Got it. Kinda like Orenthal was never convicted of murder.

WMR
08-27-2009, 05:20 PM
Hey I'm just telling you the facts... I think it's pretty clear he's got a drinking problem. Hopefully he'll seek help before he kills someone or himself.

dsmith421
08-27-2009, 06:41 PM
Billy's three-hour tour on the failboat continues apace...

WMR
08-27-2009, 06:48 PM
Set sail for fail.

Joseph
08-27-2009, 07:00 PM
What is it with former UK coaches and booze? Reportedly Pitino was soused when the Syphers thing went down, and BCG drives up from Texas to settle a dispute and gets trashed?

I blame CM Newton and Cawood Ledford.

Reds4Life
08-27-2009, 07:07 PM
What is it with former UK coaches and booze? Reportedly Pitino was soused when the Syphers thing went down, and BCG drives up from Texas to settle a dispute and gets trashed?

I blame CM Newton and Cawood Ledford.

Well, after seeing pics of Pitino's lady friend, I'd have to be pretty drunk to.

dabvu2498
08-27-2009, 07:28 PM
What is it with former UK coaches and booze? Reportedly Pitino was soused when the Syphers thing went down, and BCG drives up from Texas to settle a dispute and gets trashed? I blame CM Newton and Cawood Ledford. Don't forget Eddie Sutton! Though, to be fair, that was pills and booze.

dsmith421
08-27-2009, 08:51 PM
What is it with former UK coaches and booze? Reportedly Pitino was soused when the Syphers thing went down, and BCG drives up from Texas to settle a dispute and gets trashed?

Incredibly stressful job in a state famous for delicious sweet booze, seems pretty logical to me.

Blimpie
08-28-2009, 08:47 AM
Hey I'm just telling you the facts... I think it's pretty clear he's got a drinking problem. Hopefully he'll seek help before he kills someone or himself.I was quite familiar with the facts before you restated them. Which is why you will not find a post in which I said he had ever been convicted.

By the way, I absolutely agree the guy has a problem. The driving aspect is only the most visible part of his sickness.

WVRed
08-28-2009, 11:46 AM
Another pic from KSR:

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/otisgillispie.jpg

George Foster
08-28-2009, 11:07 PM
If you made as much as Billy G did last year, why on earth would you drive your car from Texas to Kentucky??? God, that's over 14-16 hours...one way.
Dallas to Louisville is like 2 hours by plane. Rent a car Billy G.

WMR
08-29-2009, 02:00 PM
awesome derek anderson video... mr. anderson. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PllKh7KERBw

one of my all-time favorite wildcats

WVRed
08-29-2009, 11:17 PM
If you made as much as Billy G did last year, why on earth would you drive your car from Texas to Kentucky??? God, that's over 14-16 hours...one way.
Dallas to Louisville is like 2 hours by plane. Rent a car Billy G.

If I had to guess, Billy the Clyde probably had the car while he lived in Kentucky and never changed the registration. Truth be told, he probably still has a place in the Bluegrass.

George Foster
08-30-2009, 12:22 AM
If I had to guess, Billy the Clyde probably had the car while he lived in Kentucky and never changed the registration. Truth be told, he probably still has a place in the Bluegrass.

No, he told the judge he had a Texas License and the car had a Texas license plate. The dood drove all the way up here. His house sold eariler this month.

Reds4Life
08-30-2009, 10:01 AM
Maybe he's afraid to fly?

Drinks on a plane are expensive you know. :D

WVRed
09-01-2009, 02:03 PM
Just went to Borders here in Parkersburg today and they don't even have Bounce Back.

If it wasn't for class and other commitments (aka girlfriend), I would make the three hour trip to Ashland on Thursday night for the book signing at Kroger.

Blimpie
09-01-2009, 03:43 PM
This article from CBS Sportsline writer Gregg Doyel pretty much encapsulates the current state of affairs for BCG:

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12142380/rss


Alcohol troubles leading Gillispie to land of anonymous

Sep. 1, 2009
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist

The video is out there, and we'll see it someday. It'll show Billy Gillispie, months removed from leading the famous Kentucky basketball program, in an orange jumpsuit -- the kind worn by the prisoners picking up garbage on the highway. The video will show Gillispie in that jumpsuit, being arraigned last week on charges of driving while intoxicated.

Already the mug shot is out there, and it's startling enough. It shows Gillispie with puffy, heavy eyes. He looks 10 years older. He looks 20 pounds heavier. He looks drunk.

Still, I submit the following: I submit that Gillispie is one of the luckiest SOB's around.

If he was going to get arrested for DUI -- and this being Gillispie, he was going to get arrested for DUI eventually -- last week was the best week possible. It came shortly after two enormous basketball stories had already broken in that state. Just one week earlier, the NCAA had taken away the 2008 Final Four banner from Memphis and the former Memphis coach who replaced Gillispie at Kentucky, John Calipari. And that came after the revelation that current Louisville (and former Kentucky) coach Rick Pitino had a one-dinner stand with a woman who accused him of raping her, impregnating her, marrying her off to his personal assistant and then paying for the abortion.

That's a lot of basketball headlines for a basketball state. By the time Gillispie landed himself in jail, there weren't many headlines left. He got a handful, but that's all. A handful.

For the most part, the college basketball world has already moved onward, meaning backward. Gillispie's DUI is the latest news, but it's not the biggest news. Not in Kentucky. The new Kentucky coach loses his second Final Four banner? The Louisville coach has an abortion scandal? Those are stories with staying power, and they've stayed around. Relatively speaking, Gillispie's DUI arrest was nothing.

Except for this fact:

It was everything.

It was the most recent straw -- I fear it's not the "final" straw -- in the unraveling of Billy Gillispie, the former coaching savant who won huge at UTEP and Texas A&M and then won bigger still in 2007 by landing the job at Kentucky. He was already a living legend. All he had to do was stay out of his own way, and Billy Gillispie was going to be a god.

Instead he tripped over his own shoes. He alienated the Kentucky administration. He wore down the players. He treated one of the most supportive fan bases in basketball like an annoyance. He had two of the worst seasons in school history, and then he was fired.

And then he was arrested. And spent the night in jail. In an orange jumpsuit.

No, Billy Gillispie isn't a god. He's a schmuck. And before he can even consider working at another school -- and before any school can even consider hiring him -- he probably needs to utter a very precise handful of words:

Hi. My name is Billy, and I have a drinking problem.

And listen to me. I don't write this with malice or mockery. Alcoholism is not a joking matter -- it's deadly serious -- and I'm convinced Gillispie has a deadly serious problem. If he's found guilty of DUI this would be his first alcohol-related conviction, but that's a technicality. This was his third such incident. He was arrested in 1999 in Tulsa, Okla., on charges of DWI, but those charges were dismissed after he pleaded guilty to reckless driving. In 2003 he was arrested in El Paso, Texas, on suspicion of drunken driving, but those charges were dropped for lack of evidence. Some of the evidence: When officers asked Gillispie in 2003 for identification, he gave them a credit card instead of his driver's license.

That's what Gillispie does when he gets pulled over on suspicion of DUI: He ceases to think like an adult. In this latest incident, Gillispie was borderline pathetic. According to the arrest report, he was unable to find proof of insurance for his car. He searched unsuccessfully in his golf bag, of all places, but only after being uncertain how to open the trunk of his own car. First he was befuddled by his car's passenger-side door lock, and then by the door to his glove box, which required several tries by Gillispie to open.

He also drove, spoke, looked and smelled like he was drunk, according to the police report. Gillispie might get out of this one, like he got out of his first two DUI arrests, but enough is enough. As if three DUI arrests in a decade weren't enough circumstantial evidence of a drinking problem, there were the two years Gillispie spent at Kentucky -- where he was infamous for enjoying the nightlife. The next school that thinks about hiring Gillispie will need to speak to administrators at Kentucky who heard story after story after story about their basketball coach. Those stories made their way to fans, and the media. Maybe you've heard them. I've heard at least 10. Do I believe them? I didn't at the time. But now? Yes. I believe some of them. Not sure which ones. Not sure it matters which ones.

You think Gillispie was fired at Kentucky simply for winning "only" 40 games in two years and for being prickly with fans? Think again. There were plenty of reasons, and if Gillispie continues his ill-conceived lawsuit against Kentucky -- which he says owes him a $6 million buyout for firing him with five years left on his deal -- those reasons will come out.

Gillispie doesn't need that, just like he didn't need his third arrest in 10 years on DUI charges. As it was, Gillispie was going to have a hard time finding a decent job in college basketball. What he did at UTEP and Texas A&M was terrific, but being run out of Lexington after just two years stained his résumé.

It's impossible to gauge where Gillispie will go next because there has never been a situation like this, but the closest two comparisons that come to mind -- for various reasons -- are Matt Doherty and Larry Eustachy.

After being chased out of North Carolina in 2003 after three years, Doherty had a comparable résumé to the one Gillispie has now -- Gillispie had more experience as a head coach, but Doherty had been a high-profile player at North Carolina and assistant at Kansas -- and Doherty had to start over at Florida Atlantic University. After one successful season there, he made the jump all the way to ... SMU.

After his painfully public drinking problem at Iowa State in 2003, Eustachy had to start over at the bottom of Conference USA. Maybe you think Gillispie has a better coaching reputation than Eustachy. Maybe you forget that Eustachy has made it to the Elite Eight, whereas Gillispie has not. Eustachy took Iowa State there in 2000, and still he had to swallow his pride in 2004 and take the job at Southern Mississippi.

Gillispie will have to swallow all sorts of pride to get his next job, because he's a combination of Doherty and Eustachy. He failed at a job where failure is almost impossible and he has a public history of alcohol abuse.

It has been a staggering fall for a man who was one of the hottest coaches in college basketball in 2007, but that's where Gillispie is. He's not a rising star anymore. He's the drunk in the orange jumpsuit. He's the guy who couldn't open his own glove box. He's the grouchy coach who gave Kentucky almost no choice but to fire him after two years, and who then sued the school for doing just that.

If it weren't for the recent troubles of Calipari and Pitino, we would be talking a lot more about Gillispie. And we would be saying something like this:

Along with Dave Bliss, Jim Harrick and Nolan Richardson, Billy Gillispie is the least hirable coach in college basketball.

George Foster
09-02-2009, 12:05 AM
Otis!!:beerme:

cumberlandreds
09-02-2009, 09:40 AM
Good article by Doyel. He hit the nail on the head. I believe, unless BG has a total makeover as a person, he is done with bigtime college basketball. He may resurface at a smaller school or a low D-1 program but he has a lot of baggage to overcome just to get to that point.

macro
09-02-2009, 11:18 AM
It looks like Ed Davender is in some trouble...


http://www.kentucky.com/181/story/917900.html?storylink=omni_popular

Posted on Wed, Sep. 02, 2009
Former UK basketball player charged in alleged ticket scam
By Karla Ward and Greg Kocher
kward1@herald-leader.com, gkocher@herald-leader.com

A former University of Kentucky basketball star has been charged with theft by deception in an alleged scam involving UK basketball tickets.

Edward E. Davender, 43, of Georgetown is accused of taking money from at least three people and promising them tickets he didn't have, police say.

Davender was a UK guard from 1984-85 through 1987-88. He is 11th on UK's all-time men's scoring list with 1,637 career points and fourth in career steals with 191. He played his first season under Coach Joe B. Hall and his final three under Eddie Sutton. He was chosen in the third round of the 1988 NBA Draft by the Washington Bullets, but he never played in the pro league.

This isn't the first time questions have surfaced about Davender and UK tickets.

In December, Davender was arrested and charged with a felony count of theft by deception in a similar case, but the charge was later dropped.

According to a criminal complaint filed in that case, Jeffrey Morrison met Davender through a mutual friend and gave him $2,145 in April 2008 for a set of four UK football season tickets and a season parking pass.

"I just figured that former players are given access," Morrison said in an interview Tuesday night. "I thought nothing of it."

Davender gave Morrison four tickets for one game and a single-use parking pass before the first game of the season and said he'd give him the rest before the next game. When that game rolled around, Davender gave Morrison four tickets in a different part of the stadium and no parking pass. After that, Davender did not provide any more tickets and didn't show up when he was supposed to meet Morrison, according to the complaint.

"I got a phone call from him almost every day, stating that he was going to get me my money the next day," Morrison said.

After three months, Morrison said he decided to go to the police.

Court records indicate that the case was dismissed without prejudice on Feb. 11.

In an interview Tuesday night, Morrison said he was unaware the charge against Davender had been dropped.

He said Davender's attorney contacted him after Davender's arrest and asked how much he was owed. Morrison said he received a check drawn on the attorney's bank account reimbursing him for the tickets he never received.

Morrison said he never heard back from police and assumed the case had continued to make its way through the court system.

Kenny Walker, who roomed with Davender when they were UK players, said he became aware some years ago that Davender was approaching people who advertised with Kentucky Sports History, a publication that provides a recap of each basketball season. Ex-athletes, including Davender, have sold ads for the publication, which is distributed in school libraries throughout the state and which promotes literacy and staying away from drugs. Davender hasn't been associated with the publication for several years.

Walker said Davender "maybe got a little sideways when he promised tickets he knew he didn't have."

Walker said he had talked to Davender about the ticket sales some years ago. "We had some private conversations about the situation. I felt good about the situation after those conversations."

Walker said he thought that Davender had stopped selling tickets because he hadn't heard any other complaints. "I was under the impression things had changed," Walker said. "I just assumed things had gotten better."

He said Tuesday that "it's an unfortunate situation. It's definitely an unfortunate situation for people that trusted him."

The three alleged victims who have been identified so far gave Davender a total of $5,846, according to court records, after he offered to sell them tickets for the 2009-10 basketball season.

"To my knowledge, he never had any tickets at all," said Commander Ron Compton of the Lexington police.

Davender was arrested in Lexington Tuesday and charged with three felony counts of theft by deception, having a prescription controlled substance not in the proper container and trafficking in a controlled substance within 1,000 yards of a school. Compton said the latter charge was filed because Davender had marijuana in his possession at the time of his arrest.

Court records indicate that Davender had 14.2 grams of marijuana in two jars in his Jeep Cherokee at the time of his arrest.

The prescription controlled substance was Viagra. Davender had a single pill in his pocket, and five others were found in a blue bottle in the vehicle, according to the documents.

Davender was taken to the Fayette County Detention Center on $15,350 bond. He is scheduled to be arraigned at 1 p.m. Wednesday.

The investigation is continuing and there might be other victims, Compton said.

Davender has also had two judgments entered against him in cases in which banks filed suit.

In 2005, Davender was ordered to pay $12,671 plus interest and late charges in a suit brought by Farmers Bank of Milton, Ky.

In 2006, a judgment for $2,914 was entered against him in a contract case brought by Whitaker Bank, court records show.

Hall said Tuesday afternoon that he has run into Davender from time to time over the years and remembers him as "a hard worker" on the team. The former coach said he was surprised to hear of the allegations against Davender.

"He's always been a very dependable and accountable person," he said.

PedroBourbon
09-02-2009, 11:53 AM
Yeah, saw this on the Lexington news last evening. What a shame, he was one of my favorite players from my teen age years.

WMR
09-02-2009, 01:11 PM
Relating to Cousins

By Jason King, Yahoo! Sports

LEXINGTON, Ky. – Before he ended his official visit and left DeMarcus Cousins’ home last spring, Kentucky basketball coach John Calipari wanted to make one thing clear.

“No one,” Calipari told the nation’s second-ranked recruit, “is going to average 30 points for me. No one.”

Cousins was fine with that.

Heck, following the Wildcats’ first practice last week, the 6-foot-11 forward said he won’t even care if he fails to average 20.

“Some players go to a school where they can score a bunch of points and put up big numbers,” Cousins said. “But when the season is over, they’re the same player as they were when it started.

“I’m not going to be like that. I came here to get better. I came here to learn.”

That has to be good news for Kentucky fans, who spent the offseason listening to as many stories about Cousins’ poor attitude as his standout play.

In the summer of 2008, Cousins got benched during a high school all-star game for arguing with one of his coaches. A few months later he was ejected from his team’s regular-season finale for slinging a player to the floor after the two got tangled. Following the game, Cousins reportedly left the locker room to confront a group of heckling fans and had to be restrained.

A few weeks later Cousins got whistled for a technical foul during a loss in the state semifinals. As a result, sportswriters in Alabama failed to select Cousins as the state’s player of the year.

“He’s one of the top-10 players in the country … but he’s not good enough to be Mr. Basketball in Alabama?” LeFlore High School coach Otis Hughley told the Birmingham News. “C’mon. You know that’s not right.”

Cousins doesn’t apologize for his temper or his rough, physical style of play. If anything, he said he thrives on it.

“On the court,” Cousins said, “I’m a badass. I’m mean. I’m there to cut your throat. I’m not there to be nice. Off the court, I’m cool. I’m chill. I play around with you. I’m nothing like people say I am. Anyone that’s taken the time to get to know me will tell you that.”

“But on the court … like I said, I’m there to cut your throat.”

Controversial as his statements may be, Cousins’ brash demeanor is much-needed at Kentucky, where he’s part of a six-man recruiting class that could end up being one of the best in the history of college basketball.

Point guard John Wall – the country’s top-ranked prospect ahead of No. 2 Cousins – is as talented as they come, but he’ll lead more through his actions than his words. Junior forward Patrick Patterson averaged 17.9 points and 9.3 rebounds last season, but he’s more studious and businesslike than brazen.

Cousins plays the game as if the opponent just insulted his mother.

Just ask Kentucky assistant Orlando Antigua, who was on the receiving end of a few Cousins hip-checks and butt-bumps during a recent practice. Cousins was told to establish position in the paint against Antigua, who held a padded shield against his chest as he guarded the freshman. It hardly mattered, though, as Cousins nearly sent him flying across the baseline at the Joe Kraft Center.

In some ways Cousins resembles Joey Dorsey, who helped lead Calipari’s Memphis team to the 2008 national title game. The only difference is that, instead of being just a big, physical presence, Cousins is a top-flight athlete with far superior basketball skills.

Patterson, who will team with Cousins to form one of the nation’s top frontcourts, said Cousins gives the Wildcats “swagger.”

“He’s not really angry or mad all the time,” Patterson said, “but he plays with that anger and fire and frustration. He leaves it on the court. He’s not a bad person, but he’s not going to let up. He’s not going to let you see the light of day. Even when he’s beating you down, he’s still not going to stop.”

Patterson has also been impressed with Cousins’ athleticism and arsenal of post moves.

“He’s got such good footwork for a freshman,” Patterson said. “And he’s not afraid to dribble the ball. He’ll grab it off the rim and take off down the court without hesitation. He’s just so naturally strong. Even when he was young and skinny, I bet he was strong.”

Cousins still has his youth, but these days he’s anything but frail. Cousins said he weighed 290 pounds when he reported to campus this summer but is now down to 270 thanks to workouts with Kentucky’s strength staff and a new diet.

“I cut out fried foods – mainly fried chicken and fried oysters,” said Cousins, laughing.

Cousins said he’s enjoying the attention that he and fellow recruits such as Wall, Eric Bledsoe and Daniel Orton are receiving in Lexington. Almost everywhere they go, the Wildcats are asked to sign autographs or pose for pictures.

Kentucky failed to make the NCAA tournament for the first time in 17 years last season under former coach Billy Gillispie, which means Wildcats fans are hungrier than ever for a good season. Cousins said he, Wall and Bledsoe were recently asked to pose for a picture with one student who was so nervous he was shaking.

“That’s probably the craziest thing that’s ever happened to me,” Cousins said. “I’ve never seen something like that before. I wanted to hug him. It makes me feel good. We feel loved and we feel wanted, but that also means the expectations are through the roof.”

Indeed, most preseason polls have the Wildcats ranked between No. 1 and No. 5. One season after settling for an appearance in the NIT, Kentucky is a Final Four favorite, and Cousins is one of the main reasons.

“That doesn’t bother me,” Cousins said. “People have placed high expectations on me my whole life. I’ve always had pressure on my shoulders. This is just another page in my book.”

And there will likely be many more pages to follow.

As happy as he is to be in Lexington, Cousins knows he stay may not last long. Most NBA mock drafts predict that Cousins will be a first-round pick in the 2010 NBA draft should he choose to leave school after his freshman season.

Cousins, though, said he has a lot of maturing to do before he thinks about the next level.

Cousins wants to improve his conditioning and become a better defensive player in the paint. Even though he has a nice touch on his jump shot – it’s not uncommon for Cousins to connect from 3-point range – he knows he must focus on expanding his post game and his leaping ability. One knock on Cousins is that he often plays “below the rim.”

That’s why Cousins is so glad he signed with Kentucky, where, along with playing in front a sold out Rupp Arena, he can enhance his game under the tutelage of Calipari, a former NBA coach who, during stops at Massachusetts and Memphis, tutored future NBA players such as Derrick Rose, Marcus Camby, Tyreke Evans, Dajuan Wagner, Dorsey and Chris Douglas-Roberts.

“He’s just like me – cut and dried,” Cousins said. “Most coaches who recruited me said, ‘You’re going to be a great player. I’m going to get you the ball every possession and you’re going to average 40. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.’

“Coach Cal came in and said, ‘You work, you’ll play. It’s not about you. It’s about the team.’”

Cousins paused.

“At the end of the season,” he said, “if you have the ability to be one-and-done, he’s going to put your name out there. He’s going to help you get there.

“Other coaches try to hold you back for three or four years just to keep their [reputation] up there and keep their program rolling. It’s not like that with Cal. He lets you display every ability you have.”

Cousins is looking forward to doing just that.

“If I am blessed with the opportunity to be one-and-done, I’m going to take it,” he said. “But I’m not even thinking about that right now. I’ve got one thing on my mind and that’s winning a national championship.”

BEASTLY

WMR
09-02-2009, 10:57 PM
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss315/TrueBlueKentucky/F581761.jpg

:dancingco

dabvu2498
09-02-2009, 11:57 PM
Which one will cause the banner to be taken down?

:D

WMR
09-03-2009, 12:09 AM
Which one will cause the banner to be taken down?

:D

Unfunny AND unoriginal. :(

I expect better trolling out of a Vanderbilt grad. :thumbdown

dabvu2498
09-03-2009, 12:15 AM
Unfunny AND unoriginal. :(

I expect better trolling out of a Vanderbilt grad. :thumbdown

Just wait til it actually happens.

WMR
09-03-2009, 12:22 AM
Just wait til it actually happens.

http://deconstructingthoughts.mlblogs.com/Soccer%20Fail.jpg

I'm sure you and the rest of the haters and/or fake fans end your prayers every night with that very wish.

WMR
09-03-2009, 12:25 AM
Here's a link to the rest of the photos: http://kentucky.rivals.com/photofeature.asp?SID=888&fid=29690

PPatt has cut some weight and is looking very, very strong. Orton has cut weight as well.

Bledsoe looks like he could fill in for Micah Johnson at MLB if they needed him to. :D

BRM
09-03-2009, 09:01 AM
Unfunny AND unoriginal. :(


I thought it was pretty funny actually. ;)

joshnky
09-03-2009, 09:20 AM
I thought it was pretty funny actually. ;)

Me too. :D

I can't wait for basketball season so we can stop talking about hype and start seeing if these recruits can put it together. Given that the hype knows no bounds it seems likely that they'll fall short but we'll know for sure in about 7 months.

durl
09-03-2009, 09:21 AM
Regarding the Cousins interview, I personally don't enjoy watching players who view the basketball court as a battlefield where the opponent must have his "throat cut."

Play the game. Execute the game. Outwork and outperform your opponent. Show him you're the better player. I'm not impressed if you get up in somebody's face or act like you're ready to enter a cage match...any punk off the street can do those things. Play the game, act like a member of a team, and just drop the "'tude."

BRM
09-03-2009, 09:28 AM
Me too. :D

I can't wait for basketball season so we can stop talking about hype and start seeing if these recruits can put it together. Given that the hype knows no bounds it seems likely that they'll fall short but we'll know for sure in about 7 months.

There is now way they can live up to the hype surrounding them now. They would have to put together an undefeated season to do that. But this squad will most definitely be very, very good. Top 10, Final Four contender no doubt.

WVRed
09-03-2009, 09:55 AM
Regarding the Cousins interview, I personally don't enjoy watching players who view the basketball court as a battlefield where the opponent must have his "throat cut."

Play the game. Execute the game. Outwork and outperform your opponent. Show him you're the better player. I'm not impressed if you get up in somebody's face or act like you're ready to enter a cage match...any punk off the street can do those things. Play the game, act like a member of a team, and just drop the "'tude."

I just love the intensity. It's a breath of fresh air compared to what we have seen since the Tubby days.

Kinda reminded me of Kellen Winslow's comments about going to war.

joshnky
09-03-2009, 10:07 AM
There is now way they can live up to the hype surrounding them now. They would have to put together an undefeated season to do that. But this squad will most definitely be very, very good. Top 10, Final Four contender no doubt.

Agreed. I'm just looking forward to seeing the reaction to the first unexpected loss for this vaunted squad.

SeeinRed
09-03-2009, 11:31 AM
It looks like Ed Davender is in some trouble...

Tell you what, this story is dissapointing on a couple levels. One for the fact that he has fallen so far, two for the fact that he is not only hurting the individuals, but his scam also hurts his alma mater.

Puffy
09-03-2009, 11:37 AM
I thought it was pretty funny actually. ;)

I did too - but I'm a troll on this thread ;)

WMR
09-03-2009, 12:11 PM
Nice to see Tard and Hoosier fans are spending so much time thinking about UK's team, what sort of season they're going to have, etc. etc. And already deciding that this team will fail to meet expectations!! :lol: I love it!

I can't say I've thought about your team's upcoming seasons for more than 5 seconds.

But that's why Kentucky is the King of college basketball and always will be.

joshnky
09-03-2009, 12:18 PM
Either way, he and Marquis Teague are in Lexington.

Pitino has apparently decided to up the ante on Teague and hired his coach as an administrative assistant. Should be a battle. Given that Pitino really needs this committment to overcome all the negative publicity it should be interesting.

WMR
09-03-2009, 12:31 PM
For the record, I think if you polled Kentucky fans the majority would agree that expecting more than a little growing pains is the commonly held opinion. You've got SIX freshmen (soph. DD) and SEVEN guys who are going to be playing with a totally new offense.

I'm expecting at LEAST a couple unforeseen losses along the way, so the first one of those won't be a shock to me at all.

Scrap Irony
09-03-2009, 12:50 PM
Kentucky will be good. By the end of the season. Many UK fans will insist the sky is falling with each loss. As they have for decades. Others will claim Calipari lost on purpose, as the Kentucky coach can do no wrong. As has also been claimed for decades. Some will call for his head. Which has happened for... decades.

And so it goes.

WMR
09-03-2009, 12:57 PM
Kentucky will be good. By the end of the season. Many UK fans will insist the sky is falling with each loss. As they have for decades. Others will claim Calipari lost on purpose, as the Kentucky coach can do no wrong. As has also been claimed for decades. Some will call for his head. Which has happened for... decades.

And so it goes.

And others will realize that even the best teams lose some games and many issues are exacerbated by youth and inexperience.

BRM
09-03-2009, 01:43 PM
Nice to see Tard and Hoosier fans are spending so much time thinking about UK's team, what sort of season they're going to have, etc. etc. And already deciding that this team will fail to meet expectations!! :lol: I love it!

I can't say I've thought about your team's upcoming seasons for more than 5 seconds.

But that's why Kentucky is the King of college basketball and always will be.

They will fail to meet expectations. The hyperbole and ridiculous expectations I've seen levied on some of the recruits for this UK team are unreal.

If you haven't given any real thought to how good other teams may be this season, then I can only say you must simply be a Kentucky fan and not a college basketball fan.

As for the King comment, when did they pass UCLA?

durl
09-03-2009, 01:45 PM
I just love the intensity. It's a breath of fresh air compared to what we have seen since the Tubby days.

Kinda reminded me of Kellen Winslow's comments about going to war.

I love the intensity, as well. I may just have a different idea of what intensity is. I like to see players fired up when they make a good play but I don't believe there's ever a need to yell at opponents or people in the stands, or to draw a technical from rough play. Those things HURT your team at the expense of you trying to look tough.

You can be intense but still show respect.

WMR
09-03-2009, 01:46 PM
They will fail to meet expectations. The hyperbole and ridiculous expectations I've seen levied on some of the recruits for this UK team are unreal.

As for the King comment, when did they pass UCLA?

Whose expectations? Yours? Nameless UK fans? You'll have to be more specific.

One decade < 70 years

BRM
09-03-2009, 01:47 PM
Whose expectations? Yours? Nameless UK fans? You'll have to be more specific.

One decade < 70 years

So you don't think UK nation is expecting a Final Four trip? Especially since you now have "one of the best recruiting classes ever"?

WMR
09-03-2009, 01:47 PM
If you haven't given any real thought to how good other teams may be this season, then I can only say you must simply be a Kentucky fan and not a college basketball fan.


http://dontgosouth.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/obsession1.jpg

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. :(

BRM
09-03-2009, 01:49 PM
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. :(

Lucky for me I can't see your pretty red X. You know that comment was complete bunk anyway. You've thought about other teams and how well they may fare. Every fan does.

WMR
09-03-2009, 01:50 PM
So you don't think UK nation is expecting a Final Four trip? Especially since you now have "one of the best recruiting classes ever"?

Newsflash: "UK Nation" expects a Final Four trip EVERY year.

Just like the fans at UNC.

WMR
09-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Lucky for me I can't see your pretty red X. You know that comment was complete bunk anyway. You've thought about other teams and how well they may fare. Every fan does.

Just admit you spend more time thinking about Kentucky than any other program outside of Indiana. Hell, maybe more than IU as well. :eek:

BRM
09-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Newsflash: "UK Nation" expects a Final Four trip EVERY year.

Just like the fans at UNC.

Then there is a pretty good chance this team will fail to meet expectations. Not sure why that comment got your panties in a bunch.

WMR
09-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Then there is a pretty good chance this team will fail to meet expectations. Not sure why that comment got your panties in a bunch.

:lol:

My panties are just fine, tyvm.

BRM
09-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Just admit you spend more time thinking about Kentucky than any other program outside of Indiana. Hell, maybe more than IU as well. :eek:

Only when I read about your new PG, Santa Claus, in this thread. Other than that, they are just another program that I despise. They sit next to Purdue on most hated list.

WMR
09-03-2009, 01:57 PM
Only when I read about your new PG, Santa Claus, in this thread. Other than that, they are just another program that I despise. They sit next to Purdue on most hated list.

Uh-huh. Suuure. :D

BRM
09-03-2009, 02:02 PM
Big thanks to Dab by the way for getting this turd...err, I mean discussion, started.

WMR
09-03-2009, 02:04 PM
Big thanks to Dab by the way for getting this turd...err, I mean discussion, started.

Things were getting a little too calm in here weren't they? :D

He loves stirring the pot almost as much as I do.

BRM
09-03-2009, 02:09 PM
Things were getting a little too calm in here weren't they? :D

He loves stirring the pot almost as much as I do.

Yeah, but at least you hang around to engage in the debate. Dab drops a bomb and bails.

WMR
09-03-2009, 02:10 PM
Yeah, but at least you hang around to engage in the debate. Dab drops a bomb and bails.

Typical lawyer. :D

Probably saw an ambulance and had to drop everything. ;)

BRM
09-03-2009, 02:13 PM
Typical lawyer. :D

Probably saw an ambulance and had to drop everything. ;)

:laugh:

Dab the ambulance chaser. Nice.

dabvu2498
09-03-2009, 02:57 PM
Things were getting a little too calm in here weren't they? :D He loves stirring the pot almost as much as I do. I had to comment when I saw the NBA All Star Team... Errr... Kentucky's recruiting class pictured.

dabvu2498
09-03-2009, 03:02 PM
:laugh: Dab the ambulance chaser. Nice. Ambulance chasing wasn't my bag. Passing out business cards at dui checkpoints was another matter though.

BRM
09-03-2009, 03:02 PM
I had to comment when I saw the NBA All Star Team... Errr... Kentucky's recruiting class pictured.

Easy now. You're fueling those high expectations. How come Santa never wears his hat in these pictures?

BRM
09-03-2009, 03:03 PM
Ambulance chasing wasn't my bag. Passing out business cards at dui checkpoints was another matter though.

A DUI defender, huh?

dabvu2498
09-03-2009, 03:22 PM
Easy now. You're fueling those high expectations. How come Santa never wears his hat in these pictures?High expectations? This has been promised to UK fans, dontchaknow? Santa will sometimes masquerade as the Tooth Fairy.

BRM
09-03-2009, 03:24 PM
The Tooth Fairy has a mean crossover.

Puffy
09-04-2009, 10:44 AM
The Tooth Fairy has a mean crossover.

Know who else has a mean crossover - - Prince. He actually beat Charlie Murphy one on one. No small feet since Prince is 4 foot 11.

WVRed
09-04-2009, 10:53 PM
I posted a thread in the peanut gallery regarding something involving Cal:

http://lastperson.suncircle.org/index.php?topic=1059.0

improbus
09-05-2009, 08:09 PM
I heard a great Cal story last week. A friend of mine was working one of Cal's camps at UMASS. Typically before these camps the big name coach gives some sort of rah-rah speech telling the coaches to have fun, teach some basketball, and then they throw out some cheesy Lou Holtz quotes or some other nonsense. Not Cal. Instead, Cal tells them this, "I don't care if the kids learn anything about basketball, just make sure they have fun so that they bring back their money next year." Absolutely classic.

Blimpie
09-09-2009, 07:10 AM
In a development that should surprise absolutely nobody:

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=27732


BREAKING NEWS: Billy Gillispie Checks into Alcohol Rehab

After a couple of days of speculation and a report out of Houston, it has now been confirmed that Billy Gillispie has entered the John Lucas Center in Houston, Texas to begin alcohol rehab treatment. As many know, Lucas struggled with his own addictions in his post-playing days and his rehab center is well-known for its ability to help those with similar struggles. Gillispie had been reported to be in Houston working with Lucas and it is likely that after that time, he made the decision to enter the facility.

As many know, we have been hard on Gillispie for some time on this site, especially for his actions in the past year. Having said that, I believe in redemption and know firsthand the way in which alcoholism can ruin lives. I applaud Billy Gillispie for his decision to seek help and I wish him nothing but the best. I have spent a great deal of time making Gillispie jokes and his problems with alcohol have been a punch line for many on this blog. That ends today. The first step in changing behavior is to admit having a problem, and that step is often the most difficult. With Gillispie’s decision, he has taken that action today and I pray that this becomes the step necessary to turn his life around.

WMR
09-09-2009, 03:47 PM
Jeff Goodman of Fox Sports has chosen John Wall as his Pre-Season Player of the Year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/10037796/Preseason-All-Americans-for-2009-10

dabvu2498
09-09-2009, 06:11 PM
In a development that should surprise absolutely nobody:

http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=27732

Not so fast!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2009-09-09-gillispie-rehab_N.htm

Blimpie
09-10-2009, 08:44 AM
Not so fast!Uhm... 'Not so fast'...what?

BRM
09-10-2009, 09:21 AM
Jeff Goodman of Fox Sports has chosen John Wall as his Pre-Season Player of the Year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/10037796/Preseason-All-Americans-for-2009-10

Pre-Season congratulations to Santa.

dabvu2498
09-10-2009, 11:37 AM
Uhm... 'Not so fast'...what?It seems that the article I linked has been edited since I linked it. Yesterday's version said BG hadn't actually gone to rehab yet.

WMR
09-10-2009, 12:30 PM
Pre-Season congratulations to Santa.

:lol:

Guess Jeff Goodman wants to wake up to a bunch of presents under his tree this year? :dancingco

BRM
09-10-2009, 12:31 PM
:lol:

Guess Jeff Goodman wants to wake up to a bunch of presents under his tree this year? :dancingco

That's the reason I don't criticize Mr. Claus. I don't want a lump of coal in my stocking.

WMR
09-10-2009, 12:32 PM
From what I've been told the Hoosiers have their own Santa Claus... Mr. Kyrie Irving.

BRM
09-10-2009, 12:34 PM
From what I've been told the Hoosiers have their own Santa Claus... Mr. Kyrie Irving.

I sure hope so.

WMR
09-10-2009, 12:36 PM
I sure hope so.

That is, if Crean doesn't give all his schollies to 2 and 3 star guys first. ;)

Blimpie
09-10-2009, 01:53 PM
It seems that the article I linked has been edited since I linked it. Yesterday's version said BG hadn't actually gone to rehab yet.Got it...

:cool:

WVRed
09-11-2009, 11:29 AM
In news that should surprise no one, Joe Jackson is committing to Memphis.

My question is this, should Pastner have a rocky season in C-USA this season, do you think Will Barton and Joe Jackson will honor their commitments?

I'd say Jackson would be more likely, but Barton is still going to be having voices in his ear telling him to get out.

dabvu2498
09-11-2009, 04:12 PM
In news that should surprise no one, Joe Jackson is committing to Memphis.

My question is this, should Pastner have a rocky season in C-USA this season, do you think Will Barton and Joe Jackson will honor their commitments?

I'd say Jackson would be more likely, but Barton is still going to be having voices in his ear telling him to get out.

Memphis will still have a good bit more talent than most of C-USA. Maybe all of C-USA. And their nonconference schedule isn't exactly frightening. I'd say they're a decent bet for 25+ wins again.

dabvu2498
09-11-2009, 05:53 PM
I know it is "minor," but it is still a good start!

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2009-09-11/kentucky-basketball-reports-secondary-violation


Kentucky basketball reports secondary violation

Mike DeCourcy, Sporting News
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Kentucky reported a secondary rules violation to the NCAA involving a former program assistant, a source close to the Wildcats told Sporting News.

In early July, Bilal Batley visited the UK practice gym to speak with a player regarding an academic matter, the source said. While there, he was seen gathering rebounds for one of the players. The university determined it should be turned into the NCAA as a secondary violation.

An Oklahoma graduate, Batley worked several years at John Lucas' training center in Houston and joined John Calipari's staff at Memphis last fall. He resigned his Kentucky position last week to return home to Houston because of a family illness, the source said.

Blimpie
09-11-2009, 07:03 PM
The guy shagged a few rebounds for a player while he was dicussing his academics with him? Let's go ahead and give UK the death penalty.

Man, what a bloated piece of excrement the NCAA has become. I actually feel sorry for Sandy Bell, who has to late in bed at night wondering whether or not she should self-report this crap.

WVRed
09-16-2009, 02:02 PM
This is why I like Calipari:

Two SG recruits for 2010 are being recruited by UK.

Doron Lamb (26th Scout, 21st Rivals)
Stacey Poole (58th Scout, 27th Rivals)

Lamb is the scorer that Kentucky needs out of the SG position rather than the athletic ability that Poole possesses. That being said, Poole is in for a visit this weekend and will make a decision thereafter. Kentucky wants Lamb but if he doesn't speed up the commitment process, they will take a commitment from Poole instead.

Why is this different? Gillispie and Tubby had more of a tendency to throw all of their eggs into one basket and came out empty handed. All indications are that Poole will likely commit, but if you can pressure a higher ranked player to commit, you do it.

WVRed
09-22-2009, 02:55 PM
Poole will make his decision on Thursday at 5:30 on ESPN-U. It's between Kentucky and South Carolina.

Hoosier Red
09-22-2009, 02:58 PM
Why is this different? Gillispie and Tubby had more of a tendency to throw all of their eggs into one basket and came out empty handed. All indications are that Poole will likely commit, but if you can pressure a higher ranked player to commit, you do it.


Mike Davis was notoriously bad at that as well.

IU came in "2nd" for Josh Smith(NBA) Charlie Villanueva(UConn) Sean May(UNC) and Josh McRoberts(Duke)

jmac
09-24-2009, 05:45 PM
Poole will make his decision on Thursday at 5:30 on ESPN-U. It's between Kentucky and South Carolina.

Winner is Kentucky ! Poole himself says on ESPNU. :)

WMR
09-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Very, very nice. Kid is an absolute monster athletically and will thrive in the DDMO.

WVRed
09-24-2009, 07:23 PM
Very, very nice. Kid is an absolute monster athletically and will thrive in the DDMO.

Love the fact that he is a slasher type, but we need shooters bad. Would have liked to have had Lamb, but Poole isn't a bad consolation prize.

jmac
10-02-2009, 10:20 PM
Sporting News preseason basketball magazine is out. Has pic of Calapari/ Pitino facing each other on cover.
Ranks Kentucky #2 behind Kansas.

macro
10-03-2009, 09:56 AM
Sporting News preseason basketball magazine is out. Has pic of Calapari/ Pitino facing each other on cover.
Ranks Kentucky #2 behind Kansas.

This is a minor point, I confess, but in case folks in other parts of the country go out looking for this...

The major preseason publications such as Sporting News, Athlon, Steele's, Lindy's, etc.) put out different covers for different regions of the country. So each region will get a photo of a player or coach that is likely to sell the most magazines off the stand in that area.

jmac
10-03-2009, 10:19 AM
This is a minor point, I confess, but in case folks in other parts of the country go out looking for this...

The major preseason publications such as Sporting News, Athlon, Steele's, Lindy's, etc.) put out different covers for different regions of the country. So each region will get a photo of a player or coach that is likely to sell the most magazines off the stand in that area.

Great point as I forgot to mention that. :thumbup:
Baseball magazines do it the same way as far as regionally.

WVRed
10-03-2009, 10:29 PM
On a completely unrelated note, i'm surprised there hasn't been any coverage on here regarding the campouts at the Craft Center for Big Blue Madness tickets.

The players were out this week mingling with the fans and playing cornhole. Calipari's wife brought out hot chocolate to the campers the night before and Cal and his son pitched a tent and stayed out among the campers last night.

The atmosphere at Kentucky is just absolutely amazing compared to the past. The excitement that Cal has brought to the program and how he has received the fans compared to Gillispie and even Tubby has been great.

WVRed
10-03-2009, 10:31 PM
Also, here is a list from KSR of the recruits attending BBM:


Maybe more important than who’s going to be visiting the ticket lines, is the amount of talent that will be visiting UK the weekend of Madness. Here’s where the list stands now:

Tobias Harris (2010 forward)
Rankings: Scout’s #2 PF, #9 overall/Rivals’ #1 PF, #5 overall
Recruitment: Kentucky, Louisville, Maryland, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, West Virginia
Harris is one of the more versatile forwards in his class. Standing 6′8″, he can handle the ball well in the open court and has nice range to his jumper.

CJ Leslie (2010 forward)
Rankings: Scout’s #3 PF, #12 overall/Rivals’ #4, #14 overall
Recruitment: Long list, Kentucky, Florida, Maryland, UConn, others
Another versatile forward, CJ Leslie also has a lot of length and athleticism. Handling the ball well for his size is not a problem but critics love to knock his ability to finish around the rim, something which he has shown flashes of improving over the summer.

Kyrie Irving (2010 guard)
Rankings: Scout’s #2 PG, #5 overall/Rivals’ #4 PG, #9 overall
Recruitment: Kentucky, Duke, Georgia Tech, Seton Hall, Texas A&M
Irving’s leadership skills and knack for handling the ball well make him a great fit for the point guard position but this kid can also pour in points when he needs to, especially if he gets hot from behind the arc.

Michael Gilchrist (2011 forward)
Rankings: #1…in everything, everywhere
Recruitment: Kentucky and Villanova are leaders, although there are other schools involved
As his rankings indicate, there aren’t too many holes in his game. His smooth slashing and ability to finish through contact is what sticks out most. Also has a pretty rangy jumper.

Marquis Teague (2011 guard)
Rankings: Scout’s #1 PG, #5 overall/Rivals’ #1 PG, #2 overall
Recruitment: Long thought to be a UL lean, the fact that he continues to hold off a decision bodes well for others, including UK. UNC is also making an effort to get involved. Ohio State, Wake Forest, UC, Purdue and Indiana are in there as well.
Teague is a flashy scoring point guard. He is able to score easily most of the time just based on the fact that he is quicker and more explosive than anyone guarding him.

Angel Nunez (2011 forward)
Rankings: Scout’s #13 SF, #59 overall/Rivals’ #11 SF, #47 overall
Recruitment: Still has a long list. Arizona, Kentucky and Louisville have been some of the most talked schools surrounding Nunez but UConn, Indiana, Rutgers, St. John’s and West Virginia are also in pursuit.
Nunez stands at 6′7″ and has a lot of abilities that others his size lack. He can handle the ball well and also passes the ball well for his size. His shot isn’t great, but decent and rangy given his size. When Louisville began their pursuit of Nunez and things started picking up steam, the hot comparison was to former Louisville standout Francisco Garcia.

Achraf Yacoubou (2011 guard)
Rankings: Scout’s #16 SG, #69 overall/Rivals’ #19 SG, #76 overall
Recruitment: Yacoubou doesn’t receive a lot of national attention, which is weird since he holds offers from the likes of UConn, Kentucky, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Oklahoma, Villanova and Wake Forest. Nova, Kentucky and UConn are thought to be in good position.
Yacoubou had a sprained ankle for part of the summer, which may have dipped his rankings. He’s an aggressive guard on both ends of the court and always plays hard. He’s shown good shooting ability and form.

A very important note: Most don’t expect this to be the finalized list of Madness visitors and you can count me in that group. There is a LOT of talk about Quincy Miller, another consensus top ten player in 2011, making the visit to Lexington. His high school coach couldn’t confirm the visit when I talked to him today, but most believe this one to be set. Either way, that visit should be confirmed before the end of this weekend. There are other candidates as well, so don’t be surprised if this list continues to grow.

WVRed
10-04-2009, 10:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLm_5kQpngY

jmac
10-09-2009, 10:02 PM
One preseason publication listed Wall as 2nd team All-American and PP 3rd Team. A friend of mine also said he saw CBS Sports listed Wall as their Player of The Year pick.
Now personally I havent seen Wall except youtube so I am anxious to see just how good this kid is. Cal did say he has caught on already to the DDO with no problem.

WMR
10-10-2009, 12:00 AM
I'm predicting that by March, John Wall will have made himself the consensus #1 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft.

joshnky
10-10-2009, 10:46 AM
I'm predicting that by March, John Wall will have made himself the consensus #1 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft.

That seems to be a safe pick. Once the NBA falls in love with a player they seldom change their minds.

On the other hand, I would be surprised to see him win player of the year. For a freshman to do it he has to dominate a la Durant or Oden as almost a one man team. UK is so loaded that the points and minutes probably won't be enough to get him over that hump. I could see Patterson getting more awards and accolades then Wall.

dabvu2498
10-10-2009, 11:42 AM
That seems to be a safe pick. Once the NBA falls in love with a player they seldom change their minds. On the other hand, I would be surprised to see him win player of the year. For a freshman to do it he has to dominate a la Durant or Oden as almost a one man team. UK is so loaded that the points and minutes probably won't be enough to get him over that hump. I could see Patterson getting more awards and accolades then Wall. I don't think he will have any energy after delivering all those presents, hiding all those Easter eggs, and putting all those quarters under kids' pillows.

WMR
10-10-2009, 12:51 PM
That seems to be a safe pick. Once the NBA falls in love with a player they seldom change their minds.

On the other hand, I would be surprised to see him win player of the year. For a freshman to do it he has to dominate a la Durant or Oden as almost a one man team. UK is so loaded that the points and minutes probably won't be enough to get him over that hump. I could see Patterson getting more awards and accolades then Wall.

I'm not talking about the NBA. I'm talking about the basketball viewing public and their perception of JW.

Scrap Irony
10-10-2009, 01:44 PM
I don't even think Wall will be the best player on his own team. (Of course, to be fair, I DO think he'll be a second-team All-American behind KU's PG, Sherron Collins, who should put up monster numbers this year.)

Patrick Patterson could very well be the first Naismith POY from Kentucky ever. He'll put up good numbers for a good team. He is, by all accounts, an exceptional young man who interviews well, and he'll be on television every game. Too, it's not like there are a ton of guys who're better either. Harangody's great, but his team isn't. Collins will put up good numbers, but Patterson's the better story.

WVRed
10-10-2009, 09:20 PM
I've made this prediction before and I will make it again:

Eric Bledsoe will join John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, and Patrick Patterson in this years NBA draft class from Kentucky. That is how much of an impact I think Bledsoe will have if he starts alongside Wall.

jmac
10-10-2009, 09:45 PM
Anyone on here going to Big Blue Madness ?

Scrap Irony
10-11-2009, 10:37 AM
I've made this prediction before and I will make it again:

Eric Bledsoe will join John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, and Patrick Patterson in this years NBA draft class from Kentucky. That is how much of an impact I think Bledsoe will have if he starts alongside Wall.

Bledsoe one and done? Doubt it. Not enough balls to go around Lexington. Patterson will get his on effort, rebounding, and specific plays. Cousins will get his largely the same way. Wall gets his because he has the ball in his hands much of the time.

Bledsoe will be lucky to average 10 points per game, perhaps 12.

TeamSelig
10-11-2009, 05:58 PM
Bledsoe one and done? Doubt it. Not enough balls to go around Lexington. Patterson will get his on effort, rebounding, and specific plays. Cousins will get his largely the same way. Wall gets his because he has the ball in his hands much of the time.

Bledsoe will be lucky to average 10 points per game, perhaps 12.

Agreed.

I think Bledsoe has a big impact on games, but gets nothing statistically. I'd probably go as low as 6-8 PPG.

IMO... no way is he one and done, but hopefully I am wrong (not that he leaves early but that he is good enough to)

WMR
10-11-2009, 10:47 PM
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq324/Fastcat/M_IMAGE1223cc986ef9388fad0208818d86.jpg

dabvu2498
10-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Bledsoe is also 6 foot nothing. Not many 6 foot even guys getting drafted, especially as frosh. Mike Conley is the only one that comes to mind.

joshnky
10-12-2009, 07:31 AM
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq324/Fastcat/M_IMAGE1223cc986ef9388fad0208818d86.jpg

Should I post the mug-shot of Santa, John Wall? They were stupid, but from what I've heard Smith did nothing outside of trying to break up a fight that never really got started.

WVRed
10-12-2009, 01:33 PM
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq324/Fastcat/M_IMAGE1223cc986ef9388fad0208818d86.jpg

http://forums.alpinezone.com/gallery/data/515/Nelson_Muntz_rie2.jpg

WVRed
10-12-2009, 10:55 PM
Gotta love KSR:

Rick Pitino comment's (this is obviously fake):


“Here we are on this, the day of Columbus—intrepid pioneer of the Americas, fortifier of man, breath of hope to the breathless—and you guys want to talk about a minor transgression involving two of my players? I realize we live in a world where news gets reported and everything, but to take away from the accomplishments of a man like Sir Christopher Columbus is not only a gross disservice to the Columbus family, but to each and every one of us fortunate enough to call this land, ‘our land.’ This is a non-issue and one that will be handled internally…

Scrap Irony
10-12-2009, 11:59 PM
A bar fight, according to the news, at a UofL alumni function, with Smith allegedly getting tasered.

Man, Louisville's karma is in serious need of polishing. Has any university had a worse last four months?

dabvu2498
10-13-2009, 12:36 AM
A bar fight, according to the news, at a UofL alumni function, with Smith allegedly getting tasered. Man, Louisville's karma is in serious need of polishing. Has any university had a worse last four months? Their primary competition for that honor would be Memphis.

joshnky
10-13-2009, 10:54 AM
A bar fight, according to the news, at a UofL alumni function, with Smith allegedly getting tasered.

Man, Louisville's karma is in serious need of polishing. Has any university had a worse last four months?

I think you may have mis-quoted the news story (or they mis-told it). First, Jennings was tasered not Smith. Second, Kye's is not a bar but a relatively high-profile reception/special event hall. It is very popular for wedding receptions or events like the alumni event. Third, Jennings may have been drinking (the full story hasn't come out) but if he was a charge will be added for underage drinking since he is only 20. I haven't heard anything regarding that.

They were both charged with a misdemeanor for resisting arrest because apparently one of the guys involved was an off-duty cop. All of the speculation I've seen suggests that the charges will be dropped because nothing of consequence really happened. Basically, Jennings lost has cool, got agitated, the cop tried to pull him away and was unsuccessful so he tased him.

I will agree, however, that in light of all of the bad news UofL has had, it certainly doesn't help to have your senior captain and starting center arrested regardless of the severity of their crime.

This is the article in the C-J:

University of Louisville basketball players Jerry Smith and Terrence Jennings were released from a Southern Indiana jail on Sunday morning after being arrested the night before on misdemeanor charges stemming from an altercation at an alumni homecoming party, according to a university official.

U of L spokesman Kenny Klein said he did not have complete details of the incident but confirmed that Smith and Jennings were released from the Clark County jail Sunday morning.

Klein said Jennings and Smith were attending the UofL alumni homecoming party at Kye's in Jeffersonville when the altercation occurred late Saturday night. Jennings was arrested and hit with a police Taser in the process, Klein said.

He said the two were jailed on misdemeanor charges of resisting arrest.

Further details about the incident were unavailable. Calls made to a Jeffersonville police spokesman by The Courier-Journal were not immediately returned.

BRM
10-13-2009, 10:54 AM
I don't think he will have any energy after delivering all those presents, hiding all those Easter eggs, and putting all those quarters under kids' pillows.

:laugh:

Now he's morphed into the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy as well? The kid can do it all.

WMR
10-13-2009, 11:49 AM
:laugh:

Now he's morphed into the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy as well? The kid can do it all.

You guys will be getting your own Santa soon when Kyr...

woops, my bad. :(

Scrap Irony
10-13-2009, 01:06 PM
I think you may have mis-quoted the news story (or they mis-told it). First, Jennings was tasered not Smith. Second, Kye's is not a bar but a relatively high-profile reception/special event hall. It is very popular for wedding receptions or events like the alumni event. Third, Jennings may have been drinking (the full story hasn't come out) but if he was a charge will be added for underage drinking since he is only 20. I haven't heard anything regarding that.

The story, from WHAS 11, stated Smith was tasered. Too, while it did mention Kyle's, it also mentioned that Jennings was at the bar (of the restaurant, I suppose, as they showed it on television) when the fight took place. It didn't say he was drinking, but I can see where I wasn't real clear with my word choice there.

I agree that it's much ado about nothing, but it's bad PR for a program and university that needs something-- anything-- to go right.

PS: Anyone want to bet on the NCAA reversing their decision on Memphis? I'm guessing they'll re-allow the wins. But common sense has never been the NCAA's strong suit, so who knows?

BRM
10-13-2009, 01:06 PM
You guys will be getting your own Santa soon when Kyr...

woops, my bad. :(

Not all championship teams have a Santa Claus on the roster. Nor is it a necessity. Losing Kyrie definitely stung though.

dabvu2498
10-13-2009, 01:22 PM
The story, from WHAS 11, stated Smith was tasered. Too, while it did mention Kyle's, it also mentioned that Jennings was at the bar (of the restaurant, I suppose, as they showed it on television) when the fight took place. It didn't say he was drinking, but I can see where I wasn't real clear with my word choice there. I agree that it's much ado about nothing, but it's bad PR for a program and university that needs something-- anything-- to go right. PS: Anyone want to bet on the NCAA reversing their decision on Memphis? I'm guessing they'll re-allow the wins. But common sense has never been the NCAA's strong suit, so who knows? So Memphis should be allowed to keep wins in which they played an ineligible player? You guys would be all over this if it had been UNC or IU or Louisville. The posts on the Jennings/Smith situation prove that.

WMR
10-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Wrong. Scrap is just employing common sense. He's not even a UK fan, by the way.

dabvu2498
10-13-2009, 02:00 PM
Wrong. Scrap is just employing common sense. He's not even a UK fan, by the way. Common sense says it is ok to ignore what Rose did?

cumberlandreds
10-13-2009, 03:27 PM
So Memphis should be allowed to keep wins in which they played an ineligible player? You guys would be all over this if it had been UNC or IU or Louisville. The posts on the Jennings/Smith situation prove that.

IMO,it's moronic to strip any teams of wins after the fact. The games did happen. You can never take them away. If a player was deemed ineligible after the fact then just put an asterisk in the record books stating that after the season a player(s) for Team X was ruled ineligible. If anything the school should give back the $$$ they received for advancing in the NCAA tournament or in football, bowl game money. Stripping wins is just an easy way for the NCAA to punish schools but in all reality it does nothing at all.

Scrap Irony
10-13-2009, 03:50 PM
In past cases, the NCAA has given the university and coach a pass if they didn't know the player was ineligible. For example, Corey Maggette was, by definition, an ineligible player before he enrolled at Duke. (He signed with an agent at an AAU event before playing a game at the university.)

Because they (the NCAA) didn't catch it and verified his eligibility, the NCAA then agreed with Duke that neither the Duke coach nor the university should be held accountable for their error.

With Memphis, the opposite has happened.

Shouldn't happen both ways, but the NCAA isn't exactly a fair governing body, IMO, and certainly can't be considered partial, even by their most ardent supporter, so who really knows?

And, for what it's worth, I am a Western Kentucky Hilltopper fan, but am also a fan of good basketball and dynasties like the ones at Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA, and Duke.

dabvu2498
10-13-2009, 04:37 PM
3 things. 1. Ncaa tourney appearance money goes to the conferences, not the school. 2. The Ncaa investigation of Duke and the Maggette situation is still open afaik. Is it shady as heck that the criminal justice system acted on that situation before the ncaa has? Yes. 3. Memphis is the 11th program to be forced to vacate a Final 4, including the Hilltoppers. It is how the ncaa deals with stuff like Rose. I don't know how folks can act surprised that's how they handled it.

Scrap Irony
10-13-2009, 06:42 PM
So Memphis gets punished because the NCAA thinks Rose (or another alleged player) now cheated on his SAT, yet, at the time, the NCAA told that same team (after reviewing that same test, mind you) he was eligible?

Does that make sense to anyone?

This was done without the school, coach, or anyone else knowing. It was okayed by the same institution that now says it's not good.

Yet...

UCLA's transgressions are ignored as "ancient history" after Bill Walton and others confirm boosters gave them cash and other considerations while playing for John Wooden.

The closest example of a similar happening came from Kentucky, during the infamous Eddie Sutton era. (No surprise there, as Kentucky is one of the NCAA's whipping boys.) Sutton had a player who cheated on his entrance exam. (IIRC, Eric Manuel) Yet, though the probation for other infractions were severe (probation, money, lack of TV and scholarships, loss of players), the team never had to vacate wins (like Memphis).

So far, I see an institution that haphazardly enforces rules depending on everything but common sense. The university did no wrong (little wrong, as evidenced by the plane ticket/ money issue). The coach did no wrong.

Common sense says they shouldn't be punished.

dabvu2498
10-13-2009, 07:02 PM
Kentucky did forfeit their 2 Ncaa tourney wins and was also stripped of their SEC regular season and tourney titles in 88.

Scrap Irony
10-13-2009, 08:29 PM
Kentucky did forfeit their 2 Ncaa tourney wins and was also stripped of their SEC regular season and tourney titles in 88.

I'd argue that was a lesser punishment (for a host of major violations) than is this for one violation the university knew nothing of.

Nor should they.

Nor would anyone expect them to.

Except, apparently, the NCAA. (And dab.)

dabvu2498
10-13-2009, 10:12 PM
I'd argue that was a lesser punishment (for a host of major violations) than is this for one violation the university knew nothing of. Nor should they. Nor would anyone expect them to. Except, apparently, the NCAA. (And dab.) Not playing on tv for a year, losing a scholarship for 3 (I think), and not being able to play in any postseason for 2 is much worse than what Memphis got.

gilpdawg
10-14-2009, 07:04 AM
Kentucky did forfeit their 2 Ncaa tourney wins and was also stripped of their SEC regular season and tourney titles in 88.

Yeah, but the guys on the court and bench don't care about that. They still won those games on the court. You can't take it away from them. It's an empty gesture.

dabvu2498
10-14-2009, 10:13 AM
Yeah, but the guys on the court and bench don't care about that. They still won those games on the court. You can't take it away from them. It's an empty gesture. Then why are so many people bent about it?

Scrap Irony
10-14-2009, 05:56 PM
Because it punishes people who shouldn't be punished. Memphis, its coaches, its boosters-- none of them did wrong.

They shouldn't be punished.

dabvu2498
10-14-2009, 06:10 PM
Because it punishes people who shouldn't be punished. Memphis, its coaches, its boosters-- none of them did wrong. They shouldn't be punished. So they should punish Rose? And let's not forget that Rose would likely have been ineligible anyway because his brother was receiving free transportation frow the university.

Scrap Irony
10-14-2009, 06:21 PM
So they should punish Rose? And let's not forget that Rose would likely have been ineligible anyway because his brother was receiving free transportation frow the university.

Who cheated? It certainly wasn't the institution nor its coaches or representatives/ boosters.

And, no, the university didn't give his brother free transportation. They gave him rides back from games on chartered planes for a fee. He'd paid for some of the rides, but didn't after a specific time. When the charges came out, Rose paid Memphis back for the ride.

(This apparently happens all the time in Division I athletics, concerning player families and chartered plane rides; it is not considered a major violation and would have only made Rose ineligible if he or his family had not paid back the price of the tickets.)

dabvu2498
10-14-2009, 06:39 PM
Who cheated? It certainly wasn't the institution nor its coaches or representatives/ boosters. And, no, the university didn't give his brother free transportation. They gave him rides back from games on chartered planes for a fee. He'd paid for some of the rides, but didn't after a specific time. When the charges came out, Rose paid Memphis back for the ride. (This apparently happens all the time in Division I athletics, concerning player families and chartered plane rides; it is not considered a major violation and would have only made Rose ineligible if he or his family had not paid back the price of the tickets.) Was Rose not a part of the institution? And I would like to see proof that Rose paid back the university for those plane rides, because that is not how I read it.

Scrap Irony
10-14-2009, 08:13 PM
Was Rose not a part of the institution?

He was as much a part of the university as was Darrell Arthur at Kansas. Arthur "graduated" to the NBA after his team defeated Calipari's team. Then, the NCAA found out Arthur's high school grades were changed to keep him eligible. If his grade hadn't been changed, he'd have been ruled ineligible. As it was, he was just as ineligible as Rose.

What happened to Kansas's championship and wins?

Nothing.

That involved obvious, admitted academic fraud.

Rose's case, meanwhile, is based on possibilities and supposition. (No one at the site in Detroit nor anywhere else "caught" Rose cheating. The NCAA just thinks it's possible Rose cheated and, because they're the NCAA, that's enough to charge Memphis with the crime. Guilty until proven innocent, in this case.)


And I would like to see proof that Rose paid back the university for those plane rides, because that is not how I read it.

Numerous reports detail that Memphis made a "clerical error" and, in fact, had Rose's credit card on file before the "free" tickets. Rose assumed all was paid, and, when he found out, paid the outstanding charges in full.

These are minor violations that have, in past cases, warranted, a small in-season suspension ranging from 1-3 games. In other words, the tickets were not a big deal.

dabvu2498
10-14-2009, 09:11 PM
Have you actually read the NCAA reports on the Memphis situation? Arthur's grade changes did affect his high school eligibility, but not his college eligibility. Yes, the Texas high school association has higher standards than the NCAA. Maybe the AAU should go back and strip the Carlisle Indian School of some wins because Pop Warner used to pay Jim Thorpe a quarter a touchdown. Let's deal with one scandal at a time.

Scrap Irony
10-14-2009, 09:36 PM
Sure I have read the reports on Memphis. Two minor violations for basketball (and a nebulous charge about a lack of institutional control that is patently ridiculous) and a majority of violations against the girls' golf team. (I actually find that question kind of insulting and it has little to do with this our conversation.)

And, according to the NCAA's own by-laws, any time a player's grade is changed, he is, by definition, ineligible. It's academic fraud any way it's sliced.

The NCAA chooses what rules to enforce and enforces those only when it feels like it against only specific programs.

It's a patently unfair situation. How you can argue that point frankly baffles me. Memphis did no wrong, yet is being punished-- harshly-- for no other reason than the NCAA thinks Rose might have cheated on a test. Maybe.

The SAT test administrators noticed nothing and did not flag the test. Remember, too, you must provide proof you are who you say you are with a picture ID. The proctors of the test noticed nothing amiss at the test site as well.

He was cleared to play by the NCAA Eligibility Board before and during his freshman year while at Memphis.

dabvu2498
10-14-2009, 09:46 PM
ETS invalidated Rose's test score because he refused to respond to 2 inquiries about the validity of the score. That is the bottom line. Regardless of when things came to light, Rose's test score was no good and he was ineligible.

dabvu2498
10-14-2009, 10:22 PM
Are the NCAA's rules impossible to comprehend and seemingly haphazardly enforced? Yes. But is it better than it used to be with SMU and UK and the majority of the SEC running roughshod over the very definition of amateurism? Also yes. And also that the NCAA is not perfect in doling out punishment is no excuse for the Memphis situation. Schools know if they have a kid that breaks the rules, they will be punished, not the kid that broke the rule. It is the reality they operate in.

Scrap Irony
10-14-2009, 11:22 PM
Schools know if they have a kid that breaks the rules, they will be punished...

...unless they're Kansas (Arthur), Duke (Maggette), UCLA (Walton, et al) or one of the other NCAA Golden Dynasties?

The NCAA hammered Memphis for a violation they have ignored or slapped programs on the wrist for in the past.

dabvu2498
10-14-2009, 11:40 PM
...unless they're Kansas (Arthur), Duke (Maggette), UCLA (Walton, et al) or one of the other NCAA Golden Dynasties? The NCAA hammered Memphis for a violation they have ignored or slapped programs on the wrist for in the past. But they really didn't "hammer" Memphis.

Scrap Irony
10-14-2009, 11:52 PM
Kansas: No action taken
Duke: "Still investigating"
UCLA: No action taken

Memphis: Loss of 38 games, cash, and forfeiture of Final Four banner.

I'd call that hammered.

dabvu2498
10-15-2009, 12:01 AM
Kansas: No action taken Duke: "Still investigating" UCLA: No action taken Memphis: Loss of 38 games, cash, and forfeiture of Final Four banner. I'd call that hammered. You want them to investigate UCLA 35 years after the fact? Upon further review of the Arthur situation, the Dallas schools ruled him "ineligible" for athletic competition but decided not to take his diploma away. If they had... That may have caused the NCAA to take more action. The Duke situation, I agree with you on. Some things have been proven there.

Scrap Irony
10-15-2009, 12:13 AM
If Rose was ruled ineligible after the fact (and he was-- Memphis wasn't told his scores were being questioned until after the school year was over in late May) and they should be punished for wrong-doing, why not UCLA?

Rose allegedly committed academic fraud (or someone did it for him). So did Arthur. Again, I don't see the difference there. Academic fraud is academic fraud and the NCAA Handbook explains it as a violation. (Paraphrasing here-- any fraudulent alteration in a prospective student-athlete's transcript will result in that student-athlete losing eligibility at all NCAA charter schools)

You're not supposed to be able to pick and choose which rules you're going to enforce against which programs. That's patently unfair.

I'm just asking the NCAA to either be 1) fair, or, 2) use common sense.

WVRed
10-15-2009, 09:25 AM
I'm just asking the NCAA to either be 1) fair, or, 2) use common sense.

Good luck with that one.

cumberlandreds
10-16-2009, 09:44 AM
Great article about Patrick Patterson! It's worth your time to read.

LEXINGTON, Ky. – The lights inside Rupp Arena had been off for 20 minutes, but Patrick Patterson wasn’t ready to leave.


Not as long as there were still pictures to take, he said. Not as long as there were autographs to sign and fans to meet – especially the 4-year-old who had waited more than an hour after the game to talk to her favorite Kentucky basketball player.

As Patterson reached over the rail to sign the girl’s program, a security guard grabbed him by the arm and directed him toward the tunnel. Rupp Arena was officially closed, the man announced. It was time for everyone to leave.

Two years later, Patterson still remembers how he felt as the girl dropped her pen, wrapped her arms around her father’s leg and began to sob.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=Anf8U9tA6IrAVI__3iFx2_revbYF?slug=jn-patterson101609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Scrap Irony
10-16-2009, 09:49 PM
Is Patterson the most loved player in UK history? In my neck of the woods, he's right up there. Great kid with a heart of gold and great numbers. I'd say he's top five, all time, anyway, with King Rex, Macy, Mashburn, and either Bowie or Hayes.

Though, thinking back, no one touches the hysteria that was Rex Chapman. I went to a HS State Finals. Two minutes left in regulation, I had to pee. Went and there was Rex right next to me. Walked out the door and there had to be 100 really, really cute high school girls. (I was in high school at the time.)

It had to have been good to be the king.

dabvu2498
10-16-2009, 10:59 PM
I would think you would have to win an NCAA tournament game to make the most beloved list at UK, though he should take care of that this year. I would say Macy, Rex, Givens, Mash and the 4 seniors from the 92 team would be at the top of most lists.

WMR
10-16-2009, 11:10 PM
I would think you would have to win an NCAA tournament game to make the most beloved list at UK, though he should take care of that this year. I would say Macy, Rex, Givens, Mash and the 4 seniors from the 92 team would be at the top of most lists.

Yup. Talk to me in April and I'll be able to tell you with more accuracy where PPatt ranks. (Not to take anything away from Pat, he's a special kid/player)

jmac
10-17-2009, 12:49 PM
A couple of points on Wall after watching BBM last night.
The kid is super super fast as advertised. Also...any possibilty a kid this "good" would be a stuck up-rather be in pro's- type kid was all put aside when I seen him introduced.
He actually appeared to be having the most fun during the intro's, smiling and cutting up with crowd and almost always had a smile on face during the scrimmage.
So it appears Wall has a great attitude to go along with exceptional ability.

WMR
10-17-2009, 12:59 PM
Wall is a freak. The way he can get to the rim whenever he wants is amazing. He's faster than Rondo.

WVRed
10-20-2009, 09:32 AM
Just something to get you woke up this morning. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm-pk-v3ILk&feature=player_embedded

WVRed
10-22-2009, 10:05 AM
Kyrie Irving is set to announce today on ESPNU, and all indications are that it will be for the Dukies. Let Dick Vitale and Billy Packer rejoice.

Losing Kyrie really doesn't bother me. You win some (Wall) and you lose some (Irving). I have to think we are in pretty good with both Josh Selby and Brandon Knight.

Also, Tobias Harris is going to make his decision on November 18th(?). With Youcabu picking Villanova last night, UK will likely be 0-2 on Madness visitors. Hopefully Harris and Gilchrist can break the streak.

Javy Pornstache
10-22-2009, 05:01 PM
I'm not worried about losing those two recruits myself, I don't mean to take away from Youcabu and Irving, but the real prizes in the class are Gilchrist and Harris, and UK stands better with them than they did the others. If they manage not land either of those, I will be sorely disappointed. I think there are some concerns that've come up with character stuff on Selby, and it may not be a bad thing if he committed somewhere else, though UK is his preferred school.

Chip R
10-22-2009, 07:27 PM
Looks like a couple of UK recruits are - surprise, surprise - facing eligibility issues.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4586311

Javy Pornstache
10-23-2009, 12:07 AM
If that link is about Wall's AAU coach, it's a non-issue, but of course, since it's UK, it will be blown out of proportion. Brian Clifton, Wall's AAU coach, paid for some expenses on road trips with Wall, which is completely normal and common practice for school and AAU coaches to do, buy McDonald's on the way, or whatever. However, because Clifton not only was a coach, but had been previously registered as an agent through FIBA, though he hadn't practiced in a few years, that's what makes this shaky and why it's being brought up. The NCAA and SEC have been reviewing it for a few weeks now; at worst, Wall misses three games because of the technicality. Not a major infraction, but I'm sure that won't be the way it's played.

EDIT: Saw the link, not a couple UK recruits, just about Wall, the second recruit in that article is Mississippi State's Renardo Sidney.

TeamSelig
10-23-2009, 02:43 AM
If that link is about Wall's AAU coach, it's a non-issue, but of course, since it's UK, it will be blown out of proportion. Brian Clifton, Wall's AAU coach, paid for some expenses on road trips with Wall, which is completely normal and common practice for school and AAU coaches to do, buy McDonald's on the way, or whatever. However, because Clifton not only was a coach, but had been previously registered as an agent through FIBA, though he hadn't practiced in a few years, that's what makes this shaky and why it's being brought up. The NCAA and SEC have been reviewing it for a few weeks now; at worst, Wall misses three games because of the technicality. Not a major infraction, but I'm sure that won't be the way it's played.

EDIT: Saw the link, not a couple UK recruits, just about Wall, the second recruit in that article is Mississippi State's Renardo Sidney.

No big deal. Surprise, surprise.

:rolleyes:

WVRed
10-23-2009, 03:01 PM
On an unrelated note,

I am doing a survey for a marketing research class and would greatly appreciate any responses. Needless to say, this is about the upcoming college basketball season. :)

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=KVlbEyGsABPjpcttA8cMQw_3d_3d

jimbo
10-23-2009, 03:44 PM
On an unrelated note,

I am doing a survey for a marketing research class and would greatly appreciate any responses. Needless to say, this is about the upcoming college basketball season. :)

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=KVlbEyGsABPjpcttA8cMQw_3d_3d

I answered "Other" to one of the questions but was told that the question required an answer. Couldn't find a circle to check for "Other," am I missing something?

Hoosier Red
10-23-2009, 04:38 PM
I answered "Other" to one of the questions but was told that the question required an answer. Couldn't find a circle to check for "Other," am I missing something?

Same Problem.

Scrap Irony
10-23-2009, 04:57 PM
Looks like a couple of UK recruits are - surprise, surprise - facing eligibility issues.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4586311

If Wall is ruled ineligible, so too will everyone Clifton coached. And one of those guys has gone to Duke.

So Wall will be ruled eligible.

dabvu2498
10-23-2009, 05:04 PM
If Wall is ruled ineligible, so too will everyone Clifton coached. And one of those guys has gone to Duke. So Wall will be ruled eligible. Depends. Maybe Clifton didn't pay for Kelley's expenses on trips.

WVRed
10-23-2009, 11:04 PM
I answered "Other" to one of the questions but was told that the question required an answer. Couldn't find a circle to check for "Other," am I missing something?

Fixed it. Just made it a non requirement.

Scrap Irony
10-23-2009, 11:30 PM
Depends. Maybe Clifton didn't pay for Kelley's expenses on trips.

If it's an AAU tournament, the AAU founder and team pays for all the expenses for the entire team, without much exception. I've never seen an AAU team NOT pay for their team's expenses, anyway. That includes everything from McDonald's to shoes to warm-ups to hotels. Everything.

To single out Wall in this is ridiculous. Every high Division One player does it. All of them. Oden did. James did. Bryant did (and his family was really, really well off.)

Perhaps Kelly was the one guy in all of AAU basketball to pay for all his own stuff. He is, after all, a Duke player and they do no wrong.

dabvu2498
10-23-2009, 11:39 PM
If it's an AAU tournament, the AAU founder and team pays for all the expenses for the entire team, without much exception. I've never seen an AAU team NOT pay for their team's expenses, anyway. That includes everything from McDonald's to shoes to warm-ups to hotels. Everything.

To single out Wall in this is ridiculous. Every high Division One player does it. All of them. Oden did. James did. Bryant did (and his family was really, really well off.)

Perhaps Kelly was the one guy in all of AAU basketball to pay for all his own stuff. He is, after all, a Duke player and they do no wrong.

Not every recruit has his AAU coach pay his way on recruiting trips.

And not every recruit's AAU coach in an "agent," no matter how dubious that term may be.

Scrap Irony
10-23-2009, 11:57 PM
Only Wall has had an AAU coach pay his way on a recruiting trip?

I find that hard to believe.

No, I find that impossible to believe.

I KNOW AAU coaches. They (or their backers) pay. For everything. Recruiting trips. Shoes. Warm-ups. Clothes.

Whatever.

To somehow insist only Wall is guilty strikes me as obtuse, Dab. Your ati-UK bias is showing.

(This is not to say I think Kentucky is clean. I think all Division I programs cheat. A lot.)

Do I think Wall's taken advantage of the situation? Absolutely.

But so do ALL AAU players. All of them. So do all foreign players who come to America to play. (And talk about professional amateurs!) I don't know a Top 200 basketball player who doesn't play on the AAU circuit at least in the summer.

And their AAU coaches pay for it all.

dabvu2498
10-24-2009, 12:30 AM
Only Wall has had an AAU coach pay his way on a recruiting trip?


No. Here's what I said:

Not every recruit has his AAU coach pay his way on recruiting trips.



And their AAU coaches pay for it all.

No. Actually, most AAU coaches drum up sponsorship, etc. to pay for their teams' expenses on the AAU circuit. Most coaches don't pay expenses out of their own pockets.

dabvu2498
10-24-2009, 12:32 AM
For the record, I don't think the Wall-Clifton affair is a huge deal. Worst case, he misses 3 games. Clifton screwed up. Should have given up his "agency" before he started coaching AAU.

And actually, I am a UK fan... most of the time. I just try to hold them to a higher standard than most do.

Scrap Irony
10-24-2009, 12:48 AM
And, if you read my response earlier, you'd see I said coaches or backers. And, yes, most AAU coaches DO pay much of their teams' expenses out of their own pockets. Many I know have paid for recruiting trips, clothes, and other incidentals.

It's the way business is now done in big-time recruiting.

In-season basketball has become something to keep kids in shape and little more. The real instruction and the real recruiting happens in the summer.

Scrap Irony
10-24-2009, 12:57 AM
For the record, I don't think the Wall-Clifton affair is a huge deal. Worst case, he misses 3 games. Clifton screwed up. Should have given up his "agency" before he started coaching AAU.

And actually, I am a UK fan... most of the time. I just try to hold them to a higher standard than most do.

Clifton was an agent when Kelly (and others) played for him, too.

If Wall gets a one minute suspension, it's not fair. But that's been the NCAA modus operandi for years now, so it's nothing new.

I'd just like to see everyone play on the same playing field.

But hey, Kelly is a special case.

He plays at Duke.

Scrap Irony
10-24-2009, 01:00 AM
...I just try to hold them to a higher standard than most do.

Are you talking about the standards at Duke? UConn? Kansas?

Cheaters, all.

TeamSelig
10-24-2009, 01:34 AM
On an unrelated note,

I am doing a survey for a marketing research class and would greatly appreciate any responses. Needless to say, this is about the upcoming college basketball season. :)

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=KVlbEyGsABPjpcttA8cMQw_3d_3d

Mind sharing the results when its finished? Just curious is all.

dabvu2498
10-24-2009, 03:26 AM
And, if you read my response earlier, you'd see I said coaches or backers. And, yes, most AAU coaches DO pay much of their teams' expenses out of their own pockets. Many I know have paid for recruiting trips, clothes, and other incidentals.

It's the way business is now done in big-time recruiting.

In-season basketball has become something to keep kids in shape and little more. The real instruction and the real recruiting happens in the summer.

Yeah, I'm aware of what goes on with AAU basketball and recruiting. I spent 4 years as an assistant at a junior college.




Clifton was an agent when Kelly (and others) played for him, too.

If Wall gets a one minute suspension, it's not fair. But that's been the NCAA modus operandi for years now, so it's nothing new.

I'd just like to see everyone play on the same playing field.

But hey, Kelly is a special case.

He plays at Duke.

I don't know what sort of "benefits" Clifton provided for either Wall or Kelly, so I'm not going to speculate on what either of them "deserves" as an outcome based on a couple offhand comments by the commissioner of the SEC.



Are you talking about the standards at Duke? UConn? Kansas?

Cheaters, all.

Think higher.

joshnky
10-24-2009, 06:50 AM
The same thing happened when Derek Caracter was a freshman at Louisville so their is a precedent (somewhat) for dealing with this. Wall will have to repay the money and sit out a couple games. No big deal, it happens (and is punished) all the time.


The NCAA student-athlete reinstatement staff announced today it has reinstated the eligibility of University of Louisville men’s basketball student-athlete Derek Caracter.


Caracter, a freshman at Louisville, will be required to sit out three games during the current season for receiving benefits from a family friend during the summer prior to his freshman year. The family friend is a former employee of a sports agency. Caracter had repaid the loan in question prior to today’s ruling by the NCAA.


According to the facts of the case submitted by Louisville, Caracter was loaned $2,164.49 for various travel-related expenses for two basketball camps and an unofficial visit to Louisville as a prospective student-athlete by a family friend. During the student-athlete reinstatement process, the University of Louisville cited that the loans did not take place while the family friend was employed by a sports agent, as well as the fact that the loan had been repaid. In addition, the university notes that the acquaintance knew Caracter prior to his ninth-grade year and had a close relationship with him and his family for several years, including dating his aunt and living in the same house with him for a period of time.

WVRed
10-25-2009, 12:06 AM
Mind sharing the results when its finished? Just curious is all.

I posted the survey on Facebook, through emails of my college class, and on here and I already have fifteen replies, which is the minimum. So far, most of the respondents have been UK fans. Would have liked some more WVU fans or others involved.

I will try to get the results out when its over with.

jimbo
10-25-2009, 12:23 AM
Fixed it. Just made it a non requirement.

Still having the same problem, won't let me fill in the "Other" option without getting an error.

joshnky
10-25-2009, 08:14 AM
Still having the same problem, won't let me fill in the "Other" option without getting an error.

I just picked another team but wrote in Louisville. I will also add that while I don't think they'll make it, several betting sites have Louisville as the third pick to win the championship this year (7-1 odds) so I was surprised to not see them on the list.

cumberlandreds
10-26-2009, 08:06 AM
I posted the survey on Facebook, through emails of my college class, and on here and I already have fifteen replies, which is the minimum. So far, most of the respondents have been UK fans. Would have liked some more WVU fans or others involved.

I will try to get the results out when its over with.

Well you got another UK fan to respond. :) The WVU fans will respond after the football season. ;)

WVRed
10-26-2009, 06:11 PM
Adriean Payne will be announcing his decision on Friday. My money is on West Virginia and their "House of Payne" promotion. I'll be happy with a Payne commitment but I'd rather have Tobias Harris and CJ Leslie. They seem more likely to contribute right away.

WVRed
10-28-2009, 01:50 PM
For those interested, the Blue White game will be on tonight on one of the Fox Sports channels. Here it is Fox Sports Atlantic, but it's also supposed to be Fox Sports South as well. Might want to flip through the channel guide tonight.

Terrence Jones and CJ Leslie are expected to be in attendance, plus this will be a good chance to see the cats in action.

cumberlandreds
10-28-2009, 02:25 PM
For those interested, the Blue White game will be on tonight on one of the Fox Sports channels. Here it is Fox Sports Atlantic, but it's also supposed to be Fox Sports South as well. Might want to flip through the channel guide tonight.

Terrence Jones and CJ Leslie are expected to be in attendance, plus this will be a good chance to see the cats in action.

If you have DISH it's on channel 447, one of the sports alternate channels. Can't wait!
Wall will be playing btw. He can participate in scrimmages.

Scrap Irony
10-28-2009, 07:56 PM
From the Blue-White scrimmage, Jon Hood looks an awful lot like the 1996 version of Jeff Sheppard.

And John Wall looks like... Well, he looks good.

I really don't know who he looks like. He's in control, super quick, changes speeds really well, and is fundamentally solid. No range on his jump shot shown tonight, but his form is good. He finishes well, too.

WVRed
10-28-2009, 10:02 PM
Darius Miller 14 points and 5 rebounds

Darnell Dodson 26 points and 7 rebounds (four threes)

Jon Hood 14 points and 5 rebounds

John Wall 25 points, 7 rebounds and 11 assists

Demarcus Cousins 16 points and 9 rebounds

Eric Bledsoe 14 points, 5 rebounds and 9 assists

Daniel Orton 14 points and 8 rebounds

Patrick Patterson 24 points and 8 rebounds (11-15 from field)

Josh Harrellson 11 points and 15 rebounds

Ramon Harris 12 points and 7 rebounds (4-7 from field)

Mark Krebs 5 points and 2 rebounds

Perry Stevenson 2 points and 3 rebounds

Deandre Liggins 0 points and 4 rebounds

What is even scarier is when you consider that both Bledsoe and Cousins were one assist and rebound away from a double double.

WMR
10-29-2009, 08:43 AM
John Wall is sick. He can literally get to the rim whenever he wants.

cumberlandreds
10-29-2009, 10:31 AM
The one thing you can certainly conclude from this scrimmage is that they are very talented. The best talent I've seen at UK since at least 1998. They may have as much as the 96 team. Too early for me to say for sure about that though.
Wall is something else. If he is eligible, UK is definitley a Final Four contender. Without him its much more iffy.
Whenever they get their defense together they could be devastating. With Wall and Bledsoe out front and all those long bodies in the paint its going to be hard for teams to do a lot against them. Calipari said they just started working hard on defense a couple of days ago. His emphasis has been on the offense.
We will be able to tell a little more against Campbellsville. I don't think they were as focused as Calipari expects them to be in this scrimmage since they were still playing against themselves.

WMR
10-29-2009, 11:49 AM
Wall will be eligible.

The MOST he will miss is 3 games.

joshnky
10-29-2009, 02:46 PM
Wall will be eligible.

The MOST he will miss is 3 games.

I hate UK and would love it if Wall was declared ineligible but I have to agree with you on this point. There is no way he is declared ineligible for the season and really he shouldn't be. The NCAA has established a precedent here: pay back the money and sit out a small number (3 or less) of games. UK will follow that precedent and the NCAA won't argue with it.

WMR
10-29-2009, 02:59 PM
I read an interesting report on a Louisville scrimmage recently.

Wonder how long Pitino will stick with Sosa at the 1? Sounds like Siva is better at everything.

Louisville is going to really struggle on the wings this season. Their big man depth leaves a bit to be desired as well.

WVRed
10-29-2009, 03:16 PM
Ok, who had Payne to Michigan State?

Makes sense with the pipeline. The Buckeye State has been very good to Mr. Izzo. Just thought WVU would come out on top with their recruiting pitch at madness, lol.

joshnky
10-29-2009, 03:23 PM
I read an interesting report on a Louisville scrimmage recently.

Wonder how long Pitino will stick with Sosa at the 1? Sounds like Siva is better at everything.

Louisville is going to really struggle on the wings this season. Their big man depth leaves a bit to be desired as well.

Siva is a lot more talented than Sosa but its difficult to win with a freshman point guard. In last nights exhibition, he had seven assists and looked great running the floor but he also had seven turnovers. For UofL to be an elite team this year their co-captain backcourt of Smith and Sosa has to play well. They won't make any All-American teams but if they are solid, the rotation with Knowles and Siva will carry them through a lot of games.

I totally agree with you on the wings. The loss of Williams and Clark is huge and Delk and Swopshire aren't anywhere near their level. However, the strength of this team is at the five. Samuels and Jennings were very good last year and look even better this year.

This will be an interesting year. Theoretically, the inside out punch and depth should take this team far but they have to transition from a forward-led team to a guard-led team. Also, in addition to everything else he brought, Terrence Williams was the heart and soul of that team. Now you have Reginald Delk trying to fill his position and Smith and Sosa trying to fill the leadership void.

One thing you can count on with this team (and with every Pitino team really) is they will likely look rough early before turning it on for conference play.

joshnky
10-29-2009, 03:28 PM
And I'll add, just like UK they looked like world-beaters in the red-white scrimmage. The Georgetown game was a better gauge of their situation as they clearly showed their inexperience and lack of practice time. Mike Marra went from three point specialist (7 threes in the scrimmage) to the bench (too many turnovers and stupid plays) in less than a week.

jimbo
10-29-2009, 11:25 PM
Ok, who had Payne to Michigan State?


I think a lot of us Flyer fans had him to Michigan St. UD was on his list early on in the process, but he eventually decided he wanted to leave the area. It's well known that he is friends with several of the Flyers and played a lot of pickup games with them. It makes sense with the Gregory-Izzo connection. He's familiar with Gregory's system, likes it, and knows he'll get the same thing at Michigan St.

Personally, if it wasn't UD, I'm glad he decided on Michigan St.

WVRed
10-30-2009, 12:10 AM
I think a lot of us Flyer fans had him to Michigan St. UD was on his list early on in the process, but he eventually decided he wanted to leave the area. It's well known that he is friends with several of the Flyers and played a lot of pickup games with them. It makes sense with the Gregory-Izzo connection. He's familiar with Gregory's system, likes it, and knows he'll get the same thing at Michigan St.

Personally, if it wasn't UD, I'm glad he decided on Michigan St.

Izzo has successfully built a pipeline into Ohio. If I were an Ohio State fan or Thad Matta, I would take notice. Raymar Morgan and now Adriean Payne to a conference rival.

At least I don't have to hear WVU fans bragging about stealing a recruit away from Coach Cal.

Blimpie
10-30-2009, 10:58 AM
After watching the Blue-White scrimmage, I only have one real concern at this time. Who the heck in going to hit the outside shot?

cumberlandreds
10-30-2009, 11:12 AM
After watching the Blue-White scrimmage, I only have one real concern at this time. Who the heck in going to hit the outside shot?

Dodson hit a few from outside. He looked fine from out there. Hood may help out there too. Also Patterson hit three 3's,IIRC. Altogether, they hit something like 35% from behind the arc in this scrimmage. If they hit something like that all season they will be just fine.

dabvu2498
10-30-2009, 12:03 PM
Izzo has successfully built a pipeline into Ohio. If I were an Ohio State fan or Thad Matta, I would take notice. Raymar Morgan and now Adriean Payne to a conference rival. At least I don't have to hear WVU fans bragging about stealing a recruit away from Coach Cal. Weren't 4 of the guys on Mich. St's Final 4 team last year from Ohio? I know Morgan and Travis Walton are Ohio kids. Izzo has done well recruiting in Ohio as far back as Andre Hutson (also a Dayton kid) about ten years ago.

guttle11
10-30-2009, 12:06 PM
Weren't 4 of the guys on Mich. St's Final 4 team last year from Ohio? I know Morgan and Travis Walton are Ohio kids. Izzo has done well recruiting in Ohio as far back as Andre Hutson (also a Dayton kid) about ten years ago.

Delvon Roe is from Cleveland. Izzo does very well in Ohio. Garrick Sherman from Kenton is a freshmen to go with Payne coming next year.

Ohio is a very fertile recruiting ground.

Scrap Irony
10-30-2009, 04:10 PM
After watching the Blue-White scrimmage, I only have one real concern at this time. Who the heck in going to hit the outside shot?

I'm guessing this Kentucky team is going to depend an awful lot on Dodson, Hood, and (maybe) Miller. Bledsoe's shot doesn't look horrid and Wall has good form, but neither is going to hit for over 30%.

Expect lots of zone from teams playing Kentucky this year. And losses in some of those.

WVRed
10-30-2009, 05:35 PM
I'm guessing this Kentucky team is going to depend an awful lot on Dodson, Hood, and (maybe) Miller. Bledsoe's shot doesn't look horrid and Wall has good form, but neither is going to hit for over 30%.

Expect lots of zone from teams playing Kentucky this year. And losses in some of those.

IF Kentucky can hit around 35% from behind the arc, I believe they will win a lot of games.

I'll add two more names to your list. Mark Krebs and Josh Harrellson. If Harrellson is allowed to step out and hit some threes, it is going to make Kentucky that much more deadly. Krebs is another shooter who could get minutes just because Kentucky is low in that department.

Javy Pornstache
10-30-2009, 07:17 PM
Dodson and Krebs are without question the two best perimeter shooters, and then you would probably put Miller, but beyond that, UK's next best outside shooters, believe it or not, are all their big men. Harrellson's been mentioned, but the others have better outside games than do Wall, Bledsoe, Liggins and Harris. Hood is improving, but hasn't had much of an outside shot until more recently. Cousins has a very versatile game and can step out and 3s pretty consistently, in the mold of an Antoine Walker (without the debt, I hope). Stevenson is surprisingly pretty decent from beyond the arc, which he might as well be because he's definitely not an offensive threat down low. Patterson and Orton are probably the least effective of UK's five big men from outside, but they are better than the average big man beyond the arc. It's a team with unusually strong range from the big men, but rather thin range from the spots you'd normally expect it from.

WVRed
10-30-2009, 08:50 PM
Just announced, Wall to miss the exhibition on Monday against Campbellsville and the season opener against Morehead State. And to repay roughly 750 bucks.

OnBaseMachine
10-31-2009, 01:36 AM
Just curious, how does Wall only miss one game but Dez Bryant gets suspended for a full year for panicking and telling a lie? FWIW, I'm glad Wall didn't lose his eligibility. I just think the NCAA mishandled the Dez Bryant situation.

Redhook
10-31-2009, 07:34 AM
I just think the NCAA mishandled the Dez Bryant situation.

No surprise at all. The NCAA is one of the worst run organizations in the world.

The rules and regulations are so out of whack they could probably find some reason to suspend every single NCAA athlete. And when they do actually catch someone they seem to make a precedent each and every time to set an example to the other kids.

The NCAA doesn't seem to realize they're dealing with humans, young one at that, who will make accidental mistakes at times. The punishments rarely fit the crime.

dabvu2498
10-31-2009, 09:34 AM
Just curious, how does Wall only miss one game but Dez Bryant gets suspended for a full year for panicking and telling a lie? FWIW, I'm glad Wall didn't lose his eligibility. I just think the NCAA mishandled the Dez Bryant situation. It would seem that Bryant mishandled the NCAA by lying about his meeting with Sanders. In the Wall situation, the kid was completely unaware that anything improper was going on. His situation is all on his AAU coach.

jmac
10-31-2009, 10:38 AM
Just announced, Wall to miss the exhibition on Monday against Campbellsville and the season opener against Morehead State. And to repay roughly 750 bucks.

And once again..Pat Forde strikes out swingin ! ;)

WMR
10-31-2009, 11:53 AM
And once again..Pat Forde strikes out swingin ! ;)

What a surprise. :rolleyes:

Still waiting for his scathing article on his butt buddy Ricky P.

OnBaseMachine
10-31-2009, 01:37 PM
Again, how does this guy get suspended for 20 games but Wall only gets one game? Crazy.

Kilicli Out For 20 Games

West Virginia University freshman Deniz Kilicli will not participate in the first 20 regular season games of the 2009-10 basketball season, the school announced today.

The NCAA determined that prior to his enrollment at WVU, Kilicli played on a team in Turkey during the 2007-08 season, which included a professional player. This is not permissible under NCAA amateurism regulations.

Kilicli will be able to particpate in all other team activities, including practices and exhibition games. He will be eligible to return to competition when West Virginia hosts Pitt on Feb. 3.

A 6-foot-9 forward from Istanbul, Turkey, Kilicli attended Mountain State Academ

http://westvirginia.scout.com/2/914652.html

dabvu2498
10-31-2009, 01:48 PM
Again, how does this guy get suspended for 20 games but Wall only gets one game? Crazy. Kilicli Out For 20 Games West Virginia University freshman Deniz Kilicli will not participate in the first 20 regular season games of the 2009-10 basketball season, the school announced today. The NCAA determined that prior to his enrollment at WVU, Kilicli played on a team in Turkey during the 2007-08 season, which included a professional player. This is not permissible under NCAA amateurism regulations. Kilicli will be able to particpate in all other team activities, including practices and exhibition games. He will be eligible to return to competition when West Virginia hosts Pitt on Feb. 3. A 6-foot-9 forward from Istanbul, Turkey, Kilicli attended Mountain State Academ http://westvirginia.scout.com/2/914652.html There are several womens volleyball players from Europe who have been ruled totally ineligible by this regulation.

guttle11
10-31-2009, 01:49 PM
There are several womens volleyball players from Europe who have been ruled totally ineligible by this regulation.

And several that haven't despite evidence of playing with professionals that were paid more than just necessary expenses. The NCAA just randomly chooses who is eligible and who isn't.

dabvu2498
10-31-2009, 02:42 PM
And several that haven't despite evidence of playing with professionals that were paid more than just necessary expenses. The NCAA just randomly chooses who is eligible and who isn't. Maybe. Proving it in an espn piece is much different than proving it to the ncaa. Nancy Grace "proves" a lot of things on her show too.

WVRed
11-01-2009, 12:54 AM
Again, how does this guy get suspended for 20 games but Wall only gets one game? Crazy.

Kilicli Out For 20 Games

West Virginia University freshman Deniz Kilicli will not participate in the first 20 regular season games of the 2009-10 basketball season, the school announced today.

The NCAA determined that prior to his enrollment at WVU, Kilicli played on a team in Turkey during the 2007-08 season, which included a professional player. This is not permissible under NCAA amateurism regulations.

Kilicli will be able to particpate in all other team activities, including practices and exhibition games. He will be eligible to return to competition when West Virginia hosts Pitt on Feb. 3.

A 6-foot-9 forward from Istanbul, Turkey, Kilicli attended Mountain State Academ

http://westvirginia.scout.com/2/914652.html

It's a joke, and I am a Kentucky fan. The NCAA really needs to get some things ironed out and i'm sure everybody has their own say on what needs fixed.

Me personally, I would be for paying athletes and fixing the BCS.

WMR
11-02-2009, 12:15 PM
Is tonight's game showing on Dish Network? I don't see it on any of the alternate channels.

DTCromer
11-02-2009, 12:23 PM
Just curious, how does Wall only miss one game but Dez Bryant gets suspended for a full year for panicking and telling a lie? FWIW, I'm glad Wall didn't lose his eligibility. I just think the NCAA mishandled the Dez Bryant situation.

Dez Bryant plays Okie State football.

John Wall plays Kentucky basketball.

Is this even a question? The NCAA hand picks who gets punished more severely if all things are equal.

The Peter Warrick/Laverneous Coles issue in college was a prime example.

dabvu2498
11-02-2009, 02:23 PM
The Wall-Bryant comparison is a bad one. What did their 2 actions have in common? But anyway, you guys have me convinced... the NCAA would never punish a program like UK or IU basketball or FSU football? Right? Right?

FutureRedsGM
11-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Is tonight's game showing on Dish Network? I don't see it on any of the alternate channels.

Not sure about Dish, but it's on Fox Sports South, which is channel 70 and 521 for Insight users.

improbus
11-02-2009, 07:04 PM
Patterson was named a First Team Pre-season All American. Here are your others:
Sherron Collins - Kansas
Luke Harangody - ND
Cole Aldritch - Kansas
Kyle Singler - Duke
I love Patterson, but that isn't exactly a murderer's row of players either. This college hoops season will be wide open.

WMR
11-02-2009, 07:54 PM
Dodson is more involved than I thought he would be.

WMR
11-02-2009, 08:55 PM
Love seeing Delk on the UK bench.

WVRed
11-02-2009, 11:02 PM
Love seeing Delk on the UK bench.

The one I am enjoying more is Scott Padgett, and I think we are going to need him.

I could honestly see him working with Patterson, Harrellson, and Dodson and crafting an outside shot. If Padgett and Harrellson worked together, I believe it would pay dividends bigger than anything most Kentucky fans could imagine.

dabvu2498
11-02-2009, 11:12 PM
Padgett is not permitted to do on-floor coaching in practice in his current position. Only the head coach and 3 assistants.

dabvu2498
11-02-2009, 11:14 PM
On another topic, will it ever click for Liggins or should he have left when he had the chance?

cumberlandreds
11-03-2009, 09:03 AM
On another topic, will it ever click for Liggins or should he have left when he had the chance?

Looks to me like he should have left too. Couldn't even get off the bench for a scrimmage against an NAIA team. It wouldn't surprise me if he transfers after December.
I thought the defense showed great promise last night. For most of the 1st half Campbellsville didn't even a get good look at the basket. Great quickness and long arms should make for a very devastating defense later in the season.

HBP
11-03-2009, 09:59 AM
Bledsoe is the read deal. He and Wall will be dynamic. Now only if they could shoot...

macro
11-03-2009, 05:28 PM
There's a new tee shirt being seen around Lexington:

"I'd rather ride with Billy G than to dine with Ricky P."

WVRed
11-07-2009, 12:40 AM
Kentucky beats Clarion (Cal's Alma Mater) 117-52.

John Wall with 27 points, 9 assists, and 4 rebounds.

DeMarcus Cousins with 20 points and 6 rebounds.

Liggins did not see the floor again tonight. My guess is that he is gone soon.

Scrap Irony
11-07-2009, 01:10 AM
More importantly than the score for Kentucky, Wall looks like he can shoot. Nice form on the jump shot and, iirc, he hit the only three he shot. Ridiculously fast end to end. Faster than Jason Kidd while at Cal, IMO, who I thought was the fastest in NCAA history.

WMR
11-07-2009, 09:55 AM
John Wall!!!!

WMR
11-07-2009, 11:35 AM
Just saw Wall to Patterson on ESPN's Top 10. Gonna be a little weird getting used to seeing Kentucky all over ESPN again. It has been too long!

dabvu2498
11-07-2009, 02:16 PM
Just saw Wall to Patterson on ESPN's Top 10. Gonna be a little weird getting used to seeing Kentucky all over ESPN again. It has been too long!

They were all over ESPN last year. Just think of all those NIT games. :D

WMR
11-07-2009, 02:24 PM
They were all over ESPN last year. Just think of all those NIT games. :D

Sorry, last season has been purged from the WMR data bank. :D

jmac
11-07-2009, 05:59 PM
More importantly than the score for Kentucky, Wall looks like he can shoot. Nice form on the jump shot and, iirc, he hit the only three he shot. Ridiculously fast end to end. Faster than Jason Kidd while at Cal, IMO, who I thought was the fastest in NCAA history.
Most of the time I listen to the UK radio broadcast while watching the games. I noticed Pratt is going to have to step up his tempo to keep up with this team.
Yeah Wall is about the fastest I can remember. ;)

WMR
11-07-2009, 06:00 PM
He's just sick. sick sick sick. He's one of those guys you can just look at and see future NBA superstar written all over him. A man among boys out there.

durl
11-09-2009, 03:49 PM
So what's everyone's opinion of Cousins now that he's had a couple of exhibition games under his belt?

George Foster
11-10-2009, 12:41 AM
So what's everyone's opinion of Cousins now that he's had a couple of exhibition games under his belt?

Soft hands, still not in game shape. If I could buy stock in a person...Cousins is a BUY!

George Foster
11-10-2009, 12:45 AM
More importantly than the score for Kentucky, Wall looks like he can shoot. Nice form on the jump shot and, iirc, he hit the only three he shot. Ridiculously fast end to end. Faster than Jason Kidd while at Cal, IMO, who I thought was the fastest in NCAA history.

Cal said during the press conference that Wall is sometimes TO FAST. Cal said on a fast break Wall is so fast that his teammates can't get back fast enough to rebound if Wall were to miss the shot while driving to the basket.

WMR
11-12-2009, 02:32 PM
Stacey Poole is a Cat.

WMR
11-13-2009, 04:32 PM
This is not another Gardner Webb. Morehead State is a solid club; a team that I expect to challenge strongly for an NCAA tournament bid. No John Wall and a possibly injured Eric Bledsoe? Hopefully Eric is good to go... might have to try some Darius Miller at the point-forward.

Scrap Irony
11-13-2009, 04:56 PM
I agree on Morehead. This is a game to make Kentucky fans scream for Calipari's ousting because he's overrated, or something or other.

WMR
11-13-2009, 04:59 PM
What are you expecting out of your Toppers?

Scrap Irony
11-13-2009, 05:11 PM
Another Sun Belt title and a good shot at the Sweet 16. Four starters back may mean a Top 25 spot by the end of the year.

dabvu2498
11-13-2009, 06:02 PM
Another Sun Belt title and a good shot at the Sweet 16. Four starters back may mean a Top 25 spot by the end of the year. What was the deal with the Boyd kid? I never heard the details on that. Btw, I am typing this from the Rupp lobby/mall, waiting for my late-arriving brother.

TeamSelig
11-13-2009, 08:47 PM
Good game. A few notes:

- Bledsoe is better than I thought. Very athletic. Made quite a few "freshman" mistakes, although that should improve with each game.

- DUDson. Not a fan of this guy. He is a chucking machine.

- PP54 looks like he is in amazing shape.

As a team, I think we perform a lot better if we are pushing the tempo. I can't wait to see the Wall/Bledsoe combo, which should help out on the turnovers (Miller had 5! turnovers)

Also, we shot too many turnovers. We need to play inside-out. Draw double teams and kick out for open threes... otherwise don't take the first half way open 3.

WMR
11-13-2009, 10:34 PM
What was the deal with the Boyd kid? I never heard the details on that. Btw, I am typing this from the Rupp lobby/mall, waiting for my late-arriving brother.

I guess I see who my friends are! :(

Scrap Irony
11-13-2009, 10:37 PM
Boyd (and another freshman) left school before the season started. (Before schol started as well, fwiw.) Both allegedly cheated on their SAT's or broke other NCAA rules and would have been ineligible, the rumor mill insists.

Would have been a nice get for WKU, but, hey, que sera, sera, right?

dabvu2498
11-14-2009, 06:21 AM
I guess I see who my friends are! :(

I was stunned my brother asked me. They're his tickets.

Anyway, my thoughts (not that anybody asked for them):

It's amazing how much more organized on the court they are after 20 practices with Cal than they were with 2 years of BG. Just little things, attention to detail, and Cal holding them accountable, it seems.

I like Dodson. Somebody has to be a threat to shoot.

I like Cousins more than I thought I would. I know he fouled out, but lots of people are going to have problems guarding Faried. Faried is at the wrong level.

Morehead did not play one possession of man-to-man. Get used to it, kids.