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Joseph
05-29-2009, 04:38 PM
Per ESPN news, the Rockies fired Manager Clint Hurdle and replace him with bench coach Jim Tracy [former Pirates and Dodgers manager].

cincyinco
05-29-2009, 04:42 PM
Wow, I figured he had till the break.

_Sir_Charles_
05-29-2009, 04:44 PM
And with that, I lose the bet. I thought for sure it would be Cecil Cooper out first.

Chip R
05-29-2009, 04:56 PM
What was it, 1 year from a World Series?

RedsManRick
05-29-2009, 05:05 PM
The wheels on the bus go round and round...

traderumor
05-29-2009, 05:06 PM
And with that, I lose the bet. I thought for sure it would be Cecil Cooper out first.

I was with you on that. But, he can't be far behind.

Joseph
05-29-2009, 05:15 PM
And with that, I lose the bet. I thought for sure it would be Cecil Cooper out first.

Not that anything precludes it, but didn't he just sign an extension a month ago?

westofyou
05-29-2009, 05:20 PM
How does Tracy deserve this job?

traderumor
05-29-2009, 05:41 PM
Same way Jerry Narron did, I guess?

Tom Servo
05-29-2009, 05:42 PM
How does Tracy deserve this job?
Step 1: Hire failed manager.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Go to World Series!

westofyou
05-29-2009, 05:45 PM
Same way Jerry Narron did, I guess?

But he's a 2 time loser, whereas Jerry was a 1 time loser.

I think Tracy's a bad choice

cincyinco
05-29-2009, 06:04 PM
Local news is reporting he has been offered another position within the organization although its not being reported what that position may be.

Shrug

M2
05-29-2009, 06:06 PM
Local news is reporting he has been offered another position within the organization although its not being reported what that position may be.

Team sexton.

hebroncougar
05-29-2009, 06:08 PM
I thought for sure Wedge would be next.

RBA
05-29-2009, 06:12 PM
I guess God needs to pick a different team to root for.

klw
05-29-2009, 07:02 PM
And with that, I lose the bet. I thought for sure it would be Cecil Cooper out first.

Cooper had his 2010 option picked up in mid-April.
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2009/04/astros_valverde_bad_back.php

_Sir_Charles_
05-29-2009, 07:32 PM
Yeah, I know he did. But that was also when they had high expectations in Houston for SOME unknown reason. I don't think anybody in the Houston front office expected them to be this bad and have this much discontent in the clubhouse. When one player speaks out, you discipline him and move on...when over a half a dozen do it to the press...it's time to rethink things in the FO.

RedEye
05-29-2009, 08:09 PM
Here's hoping that the new regime lets Ian Stewart get more regular at bats. My fantasy team could use him!

Matt700wlw
05-29-2009, 08:20 PM
And with that, I lose the bet. I thought for sure it would be Cecil Cooper out first.

Didn't you already lose that bet to the Diamondbacks?

_Sir_Charles_
05-29-2009, 10:08 PM
Didn't you already lose that bet to the Diamondbacks?

Nope it was a more recent bet...not first of the season.

fearofpopvol1
05-29-2009, 11:58 PM
Wow, that's no loyalty right there for a team that just went to the World Series.

HOw about we fire Dusty and grab Hurdle?

Team Clark
05-30-2009, 12:23 AM
How does Tracy deserve this job?

Exactly... If they think this team is flat now, just wait until Jim Tracy runs the rest of the air out of the team.

M2
05-30-2009, 02:01 PM
Wow, that's no loyalty right there for a team that just went to the World Series.

HOw about we fire Dusty and grab Hurdle?

That World Series run was a fluke and Hurdle should have been canned years before it. During his tenure, the Rockies have been done and dusted by Memorial Day more often than not.

Hurdle's a slap-em-on-the-backside, rah rah manager who brings precious little to the table. 29 other teams would be looking at a downgrade if they hired him.

Sea Ray
05-30-2009, 02:06 PM
Didn't you already lose that bet to the Diamondbacks?

Can anyone explain to me how Eric Hinch got a contract that runs through 2012? Does he have pictures of someone at a Christmas Party or what?

Team Clark
05-30-2009, 02:21 PM
That World Series run was a fluke and Hurdle should have been canned years before it. During his tenure, the Rockies have been done and dusted by Memorial Day more often than not.

Hurdle's a slap-em-on-the-backside, rah rah manager who brings precious little to the table. 29 other teams would be looking at a downgrade if they hired him.

Without a doubt I would hire Hurdle to replace Jacoby THIS INSTANT. Hurdle was an outstanding hitting coach before he managed.

M2
05-30-2009, 03:20 PM
Without a doubt I would hire Hurdle to replace Jacoby THIS INSTANT. Hurdle was an outstanding hitting coach before he managed.

Every hitting coach is outstanding in Colorado.

fearofpopvol1
05-30-2009, 06:48 PM
That World Series run was a fluke and Hurdle should have been canned years before it. During his tenure, the Rockies have been done and dusted by Memorial Day more often than not.

Hurdle's a slap-em-on-the-backside, rah rah manager who brings precious little to the table. 29 other teams would be looking at a downgrade if they hired him.

I'd still take Hurdle over Dusty, personally. Regardless of it being a fluke or not, he was still the manager when they went to the world series. When the Rockies are constantly letting go of players and being cheap, it's going to be hard for the team to compete. Certainly, Hurdle can be blamed, but I think the FO bears more of that blame than he does.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:59 PM
I'd still take Hurdle over Dusty, personally. Regardless of it being a fluke or not, he was still the manager when they went to the world series. When the Rockies are constantly letting go of players and being cheap, it's going to be hard for the team to compete. Certainly, Hurdle can be blamed, but I think the FO bears more of that blame than he does.
Dusty also managed a team that went to a World Series, and managed many more winning teams than Hurdle.

Team Clark
05-30-2009, 10:34 PM
Every hitting coach is outstanding in Colorado.

True. That said, every hitting coach in Cincinnati should be equally as good. :thumbup:

cincinnati chili
05-31-2009, 05:59 AM
But he's a 2 time loser, whereas Jerry was a 1 time loser.

I think Tracy's a bad choice

Disagree strongly. First of all, he's a ONE-time loser, not a two-time loser. Four of his five years in L.A. featured good records. His two years in Pittsburgh were bad, just like the other managers over the last 16 years. This Rockies team has a lousy pen and needs a real 5th starter, but otherwise has a lot more to work with than those Pirate teams

Tracy is a bit small ball for me, but not to the extreme, and I like the way he handles pitching. There are only six men currently managing who I'd rather have managing the Rockies:

Francona
Torre
Maddon
Scioscia
LaRussa
Girardi


Yes, I'm intentionally excluing Cox, Piniella and Leyland, the latter of whom completely quit on the Rox in his last go round.



Hurdle's a slap-em-on-the-backside, rah rah manager who brings precious little to the table. 29 other teams would be looking at a downgrade if they hired him.


This is pretty much spot on, tho the '29' may be overdoing it a bit. He doesn't abuse his pitchers, and he's generally a positive guy. That alone keeps him out of the bottom 5 or so. But otherwise, he doesn't have much to offer. The '07 Rox won largely in spite of his lack of tactics.

fearofpopvol1
05-31-2009, 01:56 PM
Dusty also managed a team that went to a World Series, and managed many more winning teams than Hurdle.

And Dusty also also walked into some pretty sweet team situations. The Reds may be the worst/roughest of all.

I like Hurdle's decision making better.

Jpup
06-11-2009, 09:10 AM
The Rockies have won 7 straight games. Maybe changing managers has helped.

westofyou
06-11-2009, 10:13 AM
The Rockies have won 7 straight games. Maybe changing managers has helped.

Dead cat bounce.

traderumor
06-11-2009, 10:56 AM
Dead cat bounce.

But the timing couldn't be more perfect.

Jpup
06-12-2009, 08:50 AM
8

Sea Ray
06-12-2009, 09:07 AM
8

Thet're not going anywhere this year but I have to tip my cap to them.

Jpup
06-15-2009, 10:16 AM
11:cool:

cumberlandreds
06-15-2009, 11:30 AM
11:cool:

They have won 11 straight but are still 10.5 behind the Dodgers. That would be kinda depressing in a way. At least they are winning.

Sea Ray
06-15-2009, 11:36 AM
Wow, maybe they'll make a liar out of me

There's always the wildcard

BRM
06-15-2009, 12:22 PM
Only 3.5 back in the Wild Card. Just a half game behind our beloved Reds.

traderumor
06-15-2009, 01:07 PM
The Rockies DOA again and get a streak going. Taking the mantle from the Astros, I guess.

cincinnati chili
06-15-2009, 10:58 PM
Only 3.5 back in the Wild Card. Just a half game behind our beloved Reds.

and a +22 in runs allowed/scored, which is third-best in the National League.

As I said earlier in the thread, the Tracy hire was a good one, and the team does have a fair amount of talent.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-21-2009, 06:22 PM
Rockies partying like it's 2007 again. What must Clint Hurdle be thinking? 16 of 17 wins

Seriously, this team's lineup is really good. Must be nice for Jim Tracy to decide between Ian Stewart or Garrett Adkins at 3rd. I'm beyond jealous.

cincinnati chili
06-21-2009, 07:33 PM
Now 1.5 games out in the wild card.

There is reason for concern, however. Their bullpen has been really bad this year, and merely okay during the streak. The starting pitching has carried much of the load, getting the win in almost all of the wins during the run. Now, Manny Corpas is about to go on the DL, after seemingly getting his groove back under Tracy.

This might mean Josh Fogg will be the set-up man for the near future. Never a good thing, as Reds fans know. If Dan O'Dowd believes in this team this year (which he should), he will trade for bullpen arm(s). Ryan Spilborghs is expendable and Garrett Atkins might be as well.

cincinnati chili
06-28-2009, 07:21 PM
Now .5 out in the wild card and the 2nd-best Pythagorean record in the National League. Do the Reds have anything the Rockies would want for Garrett Atkins? They've made this run with him on the bench, but it looks like the Rockies will showcase him. His line away from Coors from 06-08 was not spectacular, but better than anybody the Reds have until Edwin comes back.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-28-2009, 09:17 PM
Atkins really helped the Rox as a DH in AL parks. Now where does he play? He's another player that nobody on this board wanted to touch with a 10-foot pole this past offseason but he would have helped this offense immensely.

WebScorpion
06-29-2009, 03:09 AM
Atkins really helped the Rox as a DH in AL parks. Now where does he play? He's another player that nobody on this board wanted to touch with a 10-foot pole this past offseason but he would have helped this offense immensely.

He's really just another EE...a guy who can hit and field, but can't seem to make a decent throw to first. We already have that guy.

membengal
08-26-2009, 07:26 AM
The Rockies are now 54-26 since Jim Tracy took over. 52-22 in their last 74 games. One of the darndest things I have ever seen, in terms of mid-year shake-ups.

bucksfan2
08-26-2009, 08:36 AM
The Rockies are now 54-26 since Jim Tracy took over. 52-22 in their last 74 games. One of the darndest things I have ever seen, in terms of mid-year shake-ups.

Mid year shake-ups often work. But they are usually limited to around a 20 game stretch. What the Rockies are doing is just phenomenal.

Degenerate39
08-26-2009, 10:24 AM
I wonder how big of an extension Tracey will get

BRM
08-26-2009, 11:17 AM
The announcers said last night that the Rockies were 15.5 games behind LA at one point this season.

Joseph
08-26-2009, 11:21 AM
The announcers said last night that the Rockies were 15.5 games behind LA at one point this season.

So there is still hope for the Reds?

BRM
08-26-2009, 11:23 AM
So there is still hope for the Reds?

Sure...for 2011.

Highlifeman21
08-26-2009, 11:31 AM
Sure...for 2011.

That soon?

BRM
08-26-2009, 11:31 AM
That soon?

Call me an optimist.

Jpup
08-26-2009, 11:31 AM
It doesn't surprise me. Colorado has a good team. That dead cat keeps bouncing.

Sea Ray
08-26-2009, 11:32 AM
What amazes me, and it's gotten very little pub, is how this humidor thing has turned Coors Field into a normal park. Who woulda known something so simple...

Highlifeman21
08-26-2009, 11:34 AM
Call me an optimist.

Must be all those kids in the minors that are going to save the day

BRM
08-26-2009, 11:36 AM
Must be all those kids in the minors that are going to save the day

You know it. The Bats are just loaded with I-71 Saviors (royalty check is on it's way Ltlabner ;)).

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-26-2009, 12:01 PM
What amazes me, and it's gotten very little pub, is how this humidor thing has turned Coors Field into a normal park. Who woulda known something so simple...

So maybe that Matt Holliday guy really is kinda good then. Wow, who would have thought that? :cool:

membengal
08-26-2009, 01:08 PM
Must be all those kids in the minors that are going to save the day

All joking aside, the Rockies have done just fine and then some with their kids from the minors coming up and helping them along...

Highlifeman21
08-26-2009, 01:09 PM
All joking aside, the Rockies have done just fine and then some with their kids from the minors coming up and helping them along...

Sure, but they have better player development, and a better farm system.

Team Clark
08-26-2009, 08:18 PM
The Rockies are now 54-26 since Jim Tracy took over. 52-22 in their last 74 games. One of the darndest things I have ever seen, in terms of mid-year shake-ups.

I 100% agree. Just goes to show you how much difference a manager can make. Like McKeon and the Marlins.

hebroncougar
08-26-2009, 08:55 PM
And how in the heck does Josh Fogg have an era under 3.00 for them?

cincinnati chili
08-27-2009, 02:28 AM
I wonder how big of an extension Tracey will get

If I'm his agent, I ask for $$$$$$$$. This town is very hard on the Montfords for being cheap, sometimes deservedly so, and Tracy could have them over a barrel if he wanted to.

Interestingly, one unsung reason for the improvement in the Rockies this year has been not having Wily Tavares making outs 4 or 5 times a game.