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Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 07:24 PM
Per Fay:

Chris Dickerson in for Willy Taveras 8
Jerry Hairston 5
Jay Bruce 9
Brandon Phillips 4
Laynce Nix 7
Ramon Hernandez 3
Alex Gonzalez 6
Ryan Hanigan 2
Aaron Harang 1

vs. RH Dave Bush

Taveras has a tight right hamstring. He hurt it when he slipped fielding Prince Fielder's flyout in the sixth inning last night.

Gallen5862
05-30-2009, 08:05 PM
It's good to see Brandon Phillips is back. Do they think Taveras is day to day or possible dl?

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:08 PM
Doesn't sound too bad with Willy T, hard to know with hamstrings though.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:09 PM
Good stroke from Dickerson to start the game. Lead off single.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:09 PM
JHJ homers.

2-0 Reds lead.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:09 PM
Great start to the game, given the bad/strange news with Votto.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 08:10 PM
Hairy Jairston!

fearofpopvol1
05-30-2009, 08:10 PM
Wow, Reds up 2-0 with no outs in the 1st. That's big.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:10 PM
Hope Bruce doesn't press in Votto's absence. When he learns that he can control the plate, he's going to be special. But he can't make up for Votto's absence by himself.

Bruce Ks.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:11 PM
Phillips gutting it out with a broken tip on his thumb. Glad to have him back.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:12 PM
I still think it would not be the worst play in the world for this team to call Alonso up, but I am guessing Walt et al are firmly in agree to disagree mode with me.

Phillips HOMERS.

3-0 Reds.

Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 08:12 PM
PHILLIPS goes yard...

fearofpopvol1
05-30-2009, 08:12 PM
Brandon Phillips, welcome back!! Home run.

3-0 in the 1st with this lineup is something.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:12 PM
Somewhere in the dugout, Harang must be giggling.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:13 PM
Kinda wish Brandon had tried to hit one that far last night...

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:14 PM
Nix takes a walk. Nice work from Nix there.

fearofpopvol1
05-30-2009, 08:14 PM
Nix Walks. Still only 1 out.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:14 PM
Pitching coach, annoyed, heads to the mound.


"Hey. Your beard. It's awful. You might want to trim that back. Good heavens. Oh, and stop pitching badly."

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 08:15 PM
Laynce wayts as Bush cayn't paynt the corners.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:15 PM
Suitably chastised for his horrible beard, Bush gets a first pitch 4-6-3 DP from Ramon.

3-0 Reds middle of the first.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:16 PM
I want to hate the Ohio Lottery commercial. I think I do. But that song is for some reason catchy. I think. I should grow to hate it.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 08:17 PM
Suitably chastised for his horrible beard, Bush gets a first pitch 4-6-3 DP from Ramon.

3-0 Reds middle of the first.


Now, now. Not everyone can have a sweet porn stache like Javy.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:18 PM
I think it was George Grande and Thom B who conspired to injure Rickie Weeks. They sure do love to talk about Craig Counsell. Tonight, it's Grande getting to hand some love Counsell's way.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:20 PM
A gritty veteran awesome neverbeforeseen halloffame single back through the middle for Counsell.

We are all the better for having witnessed his veteran awesomeness.

One on, none out.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:21 PM
Hardy rips a single to CF as well.

Two on, none out.

Braun up.

Not a great start to this one for Harang.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 08:22 PM
This is getting cruddy fast. Not a huge fan of Harang out of the stretch.

Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 08:22 PM
harang "itching" to let the brewers back in the game, as he doesn't know how to function with run support...sigh...

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:23 PM
Grande says Braun is a


"bonafide outstanding offensive player"

Welsh says he's a


bonafide fly ball hitter

Grande and Welsh sound like the Warvey (sp?) girls from O Brother Were Art Thou.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:25 PM
Braun Ks.

He's NOT bonafide.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:25 PM
Runners still at first and second, one out, Fielder up.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 08:26 PM
Grande says Braun is a



Welsh says he's a



Grande and Welsh sound like the Warvey (sp?) girls from O Brother Were Art Thou.

Puds.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 08:27 PM
Tie game

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:27 PM
Game is tied.

Three run homer from Fielder.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:27 PM
Grande thinks the Reds are down 3-2, I assume at some point he will realize it is a tie game.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:28 PM
Cameron flies to RF.

Two outs.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:29 PM
Jam shot single to RF for Hart on the first pitch he sees.

Man on first, two outs.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:29 PM
Bill Hall up. Cue ominous music.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:30 PM
Bill Hall, Nyjer Morgan, and Lance Berkman should meet at a bar and regale each other with tales of how happy they are hitting against the Reds.

Buckeye33
05-30-2009, 08:32 PM
30 pitch innings aren't good ..

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:32 PM
Hall wasting pitches, 1-2 count still.

Harang has thrown 29 so far here in the first.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:32 PM
Hall Ks.

Morgan and Berkman throw him out of the bar.

3-3 game after one.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:33 PM
I don't understand why they allow that guy to steal the beer they clearly purchased.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:34 PM
Dear Elk and Elk guys:

You, on the left, yeah you. Your hair? Wow.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:35 PM
Alex G grounds sharply to 3b.

One pitch, one out, to start the Reds second.

Grande is STILL talking about Bill Hall.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:36 PM
Welsh and Grande are discussing how versatile Castillo is. He is at that. Awful. But versatile while being awful.

Hanigan walks.

One on, one out.

alloverjr
05-30-2009, 08:37 PM
I REALLY like Hannigan.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:37 PM
Harang gets the bunt down. Hanigan moves to second.

Two outs.

Dickerson up.

Hanigan's OBP is .420.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:38 PM
Dickerson TRIPLES to RF corner. !!!!

Nice.

Hanigan scores.

Reds up 4-3.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:40 PM
Wild pitch, Dickerson tries to score, is out at the plate. Fairly easily. Ball didn't kick as far from the catcher as it appeared.

Inning over.

4-3 Reds middle of two.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:42 PM
Guy playing C for Brewers tonite flies to short CF.

One out. Bush up, bottom of second.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 08:43 PM
If Tavaras has a sore hammy, he's really not much use to the Reds. His game is all speed and if he can't run, Dickerson should be in there until Tavaras is 100%.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:44 PM
Bush Ks.

Two down, his veteran awesomness, Craig Counsell, at the dish.

Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 08:44 PM
If Tavaras has a sore hammy, he's really not much use to the Reds. His game is all speed and if he can't run, Dickerson should be in there until Tavaras is 100%.

Please send this post to Dusty immediately

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:46 PM
Counsell flies to LF.

Three up, three down.

End of 2, Reds up 4-3.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:49 PM
JHJ/Bruce/Phillips due up for Cincy here in the third.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:50 PM
Best curve ball Bush has unleashed all night ties Hairston in knots, and he Ks.

One down.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 08:50 PM
Please send this post to Dusty immediately


To his credit, he sat him down tonight. If WT is out for a few more games and Dickerson hits like he has tonight, WT may get Nixed.

I love stolen bases but big base stealers like WT tend to get their legs messed up during the course of the season. Good to have someone like CD to fill in.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:52 PM
Another good curve dispatches Bruce. Two outs.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 08:53 PM
Excepot for that Wednesday game, Jay's been looking pretty rough at the plate. He should have wailed on that last pitch from Bush. If he sees more than a handful of fastballs in StL, I'll be very shocked.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:54 PM
Grounder to 1b retires Phillips.

Middle of 3, 4-3 Reds lead.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 08:55 PM
Prince is pretty nimble for a big guy. I bet he could play an adequate LF if he had to.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:56 PM
Hardy/Braun/Fielder due up for Milwaukee in their half of the third.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:57 PM
Agreed on Fielder, he moves well. That was a nice play to retire Phillips.

Hardy flies to CF on first pitch he sees. One down.

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:57 PM
Dear Ryan Braun:

Please keep trying to lay a bunt down for a hit. That would be swell.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 08:59 PM
Dear Ryan Braun:

Please keep trying to lay a bunt down for a hit. That would be swell.


Damn near caught a fastball on the hand trying to do that.

remdog
05-30-2009, 08:59 PM
I'm 'watching' this on gamecenter and Bruce stuck out swinging. They didn't show the location of the last pitch but, of the first 5 pitches, 4 were shown as out of the strikezone.

Jay has to stop helping pitchers and start waiting for a ball he can drive.

I've said before, when he first came up, I was more impressed with his patience than anything else. That lasted about 2 weeks and we haven't seen it since.

Come on Jay boy, make the pitchers throw something that you want. Don't go up there to help them.

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 08:59 PM
Braun with an "excuse me" single flare to CF. Ridic.

One out, one on, Fielder up.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:01 PM
Brewers specializing in flare basehits. Fielder with a bloop to RF.

First and second, one out. Cameron up.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:02 PM
I'm 'watching' this on gamecenter and Bruce stuck out swinging. They didn't show the location of the last pitch but, of the first 5 pitches, 4 were shown as out of the strikezone.



It was a hanging curve on the inside part of the plate. He should have killed it. He's just having problems with anything that isn't straight.

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:02 PM
I hope the BP has enjoyed their mini-vacation 'cause it looks like it's over around the 5th inning.

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:03 PM
Cameron Ks. Nice pitch sequence from Harang there.

Two down, two on.

Corey Hart up.

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:03 PM
It was a hanging curve on the inside part of the plate. He should have killed it. He's just having problems with anything that isn't straight.

Thanks very much.

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:04 PM
I hope the BP has enjoyed their mini-vacation 'cause it looks like it's over around the 5th inning.

Rem

Harang could still make it through six or so, they are not killing him of late. Cross your fingers with Hart up...

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:05 PM
Two straight fastballs just off the outside corner, I guess. They looked darn good. 2-2 count on hart.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:05 PM
Hart grounds out to 2nd. Nice pitch from harang.

4-3 Reds lead after three.

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:07 PM
59 pitches through 3 for Harang.

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:07 PM
Easiest AFLAC question ever.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:08 PM
And a chance for Grande to talk glowingly about the opponent yet again.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:08 PM
Nix up to start the Cincy 4th.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:09 PM
Easiest AFLAC question ever.
Seriously. Not only should most Reds fans know it, but it gets brought up by the announcers anytime we play Hoffman's team.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:09 PM
Nix works his second walk of the game.

One on, no one out, Ramon H up.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:09 PM
Laynce drayws the waylk.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:10 PM
For those of you not watching, be glad. They are STILL talking about Hoffman. Because there's nothing more than Reds fans want to do than relive last night's loss.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:11 PM
Ramon lines into a Double Play.


Urgh.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:11 PM
Ramon lines to 2nd, Nix late getting back to first. DP.

Two outs.

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:11 PM
Let me guess (since I didn't hear the question) but could it have something to do with what team Trevor Hoffman was chosen from in the expansion draft? :p:

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:11 PM
Looked like Nix should have been ruled safe back to the bag.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:12 PM
Let me guess (since I didn't hear the question) but could it have something to do with what team Trevor Hoffman was chosen from in the expansion draft? :p:

Rem

Indeed. And what position he was originally drafted to play.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:12 PM
Alex G ground rule doubles to deep CF.

Two outs, runner on second.

Hanigan up.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:13 PM
Hopefully Hanigan can get a hit here.

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:13 PM
Indeed. And what position he was originally drafted to play.

Oh, you mean, like um..., SS?:rolleyes:

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:15 PM
I am in love with Ryan Hanigan.

He singles to CF.

5-3 Reds.

VR
05-30-2009, 09:15 PM
No respect for Hanigan....and he makes them pay with an rbi. Very nice.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:15 PM
That'll do, Hanigan.


That'll do.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:15 PM
Oh, you mean, like um..., SS?:rolleyes:

Rem

Shhhh. Don't ruin it for us. It's a surprise...

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:15 PM
Nice single by Hanigan. 5-3 Reds.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:15 PM
Oh man, how was that NOT out of the park?

VR
05-30-2009, 09:16 PM
Good Lord Harang just missed a two run jack :eek:

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:16 PM
Wow.

Harang doubles off the wall in LF.

Hanigan tries to score. Thrown out in a closeish play at the plate.

Too bad.

5-3 Reds lead, middle of four.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:17 PM
Hindsight's 20/20 but why is a catcher trying to score from 1st on a double to LF?

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:18 PM
Hanigan continues to perform. Maybe he can't do it on an every day basis at the level he's played but everytime the Reds have asked him for something he's come through.

Not to bring up a sore subject but, is that the definition of 'clutch'.

Rem

alloverjr
05-30-2009, 09:18 PM
Hindsight's 20/20 but why is a catcher trying to score from 1st on a double to LF?

Because the guy who's 2-2 with 2 bullets is on deck. :confused:

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:19 PM
They have now answered the AFLAC trivia question. It is giving them more time to talk about Hoffman. Hoffman. Hoffman. Hoffman. Hoffman.

Hoffman.

VR
05-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Hanigan continues to perform. Maybe he can't do it on an every day basis at the level he's played but everytime the Reds have asked him for something he's come through.

Not to bring up a sore subject but, is that the definition of 'clutch'.

Rem

Very impressive at bat there. Got mildly hosed on the 1st two called strikes.....let two borderline balls go by...then hits one up the box for the easy ribeye. Ho-hum.....nicely done. Appreciate seeing them not having to swing for the fences on every pitch.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Bill Hall flies to CF.

One out.

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Who? :lol:

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Mike Rivera, Brewers C, up now.

PuffyPig
05-30-2009, 09:22 PM
Hindsight's 20/20 but why is a catcher trying to score from 1st on a double to LF?

Because his chance of scoring with two outs and him standing at third is about 28%. If you think his chance of scoring is better than that, you send him. I'm guessing that the defenders don't make two great throws better than 28% of the time.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:22 PM
Not good fielding by Nix. Turns in a single into two bases.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:22 PM
Who? :lol:

Rem

Hoffman. Did you know he used to play in the Reds organization? At SS.

Hoffman.

Rivera singles to LF, Nix misplays it, and Rivera takes second.

One out, runner on second.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:23 PM
Reds have knocked Bush from this one.

Jody Gerut pinch hitting for him.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 09:24 PM
Hoffman....the gentleman and scholar and humanitarian.


RH should have been held...even with WT batting. That ball was hit too hard and fast. I thought it was gone also.

I also thought....Hanigan slid under the tag.

Reds need all the runs they can get. Harang looks skittish to me.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:24 PM
Harang pitching to Gerut like he's Lou Gehrig.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:25 PM
Harang realizes it's just Jody Gerut, and works back from 3-1 in the count to blow him away.

Two down, back to the top of the order and Counsell.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:26 PM
If that double was to RF, I could see him being sent much easier.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 09:27 PM
Forgot about CD being on deck..... instead of WT.

Injuries sure come fast and plentiful.

remdog
05-30-2009, 09:28 PM
Speaking of guys named Rivera, Jaun of the Angels is currently putting up .305/.346/.444/.789. He made a sparkeling catch over the fence last night and just missed doing a second time.

Could have had him for $3M, IIRC.

Any comments?

Rem

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:28 PM
Wow. Harang tries to hit the mascot. Wild pitch, runner to third.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
DICKERSON!

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
Holy goodness!

Dickerson with a ridic catch in deep cf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
Fantastic catch by Dickerson

VR
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
"WOW"

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
THAT was unreal.

Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
dickerson makes a spectacular play in center

alloverjr
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
The kid CANNOT play CF. Nope.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:29 PM
Dickerson says take that FCB! :beerme:

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:30 PM
Who says he can't play defense?

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:30 PM
That looked like a surefire double or triple to deep right center field. No doubt about it. Dickerson streaks into the picture and makes a laying out catch on the track. That was absolutely unreal.

5-3 Reds lead after four.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 09:30 PM
Now the George Grande love affair with Dickerson has begun.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:30 PM
I cannot express enough just how good that defensive play was.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:30 PM
That looked like a surefire double or triple to deep right center field. No doubt about it. Dickerson streaks into the picture and makes a laying out catch on the track. That was absolutely unreal.

5-3 Reds lead after four.

Best catch since Freel/Pujols!

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:31 PM
Cue the "he makes a great play and leads off the inning" thing from George.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:32 PM
Cue the "he makes a great play and leads off the inning" thing from George.
...And there it is.

CrackerJack
05-30-2009, 09:32 PM
Can't believe he caught that, another great game by Dickerson thus far. They really need him to step up right now obviously.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:32 PM
And...George takes the low-hanging fruit.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:32 PM
RMR is getting his wish tonight. 3-3 and the best catch of the year.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:33 PM
More on that play, Dickerson was shaded to left-center, and Counsell pulled it deep to right-center, Dickerson had to come a LONG way to even get close to that. For those of you that didn't see it live, make sure you catch a replay of it.

And now he singles to LF.

This is the Dickerson we all saw late last year.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:33 PM
One on, none out, JHJ up.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:34 PM
Oh, and it is Seth McClung now on the bump for Milwaukee.

jojo
05-30-2009, 09:34 PM
Dickerson saves at least a run, probably added an inning onto Harang and so far is having his best game of the season.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:34 PM
And...George takes the low-hanging fruit.

Must be in his contract. :)

:fineprint

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:36 PM
JHJ pulls one down the line, Hall knocks it down. Single for JHJ.

First and second, no one out.

Bruce up.

And Bruce is due.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:36 PM
I'm thinking Bruce will go yard here. Good matchup!

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:36 PM
Now the George Grande love affair with Dickerson has begun.


Better that than having him moon over Prince Albert, Craig Counsell and Trevor Hoffman. Now that Jim Tracy's got a jo again, he has another of his pets to salivate over.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:36 PM
Two on, no out to start. Hopefully some runs score.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:37 PM
Bruce hammers one to the wall in CF. Cameron makes the catch at the wall. Dickerson tags up and goes to third.

One out, runners on first and third.

wheels
05-30-2009, 09:37 PM
That Dickerson guy stinks.

toledodan
05-30-2009, 09:37 PM
deep flyout for bruce. Cd to third but hairston still at first.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:38 PM
Better that than having him moon over Prince Albert, Craig Counsell and Trevor Hoffman. Now that Jim Tracy's got a jo again, he has another of his pets to salivate over.

Good call on Tracy. I do believe in that Hoffman onslaught his name was mentioned by George a time or three.

Phillips up.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:38 PM
I don't think Brandon swings hard enough...

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:39 PM
Brandon grounds into a 6-4-3. Inning over.

5-3 Reds middle of 5.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:39 PM
BPDP

toledodan
05-30-2009, 09:39 PM
like clockwork BP double play ball.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:39 PM
Phillips hits into a Phillips.


Horribly wasted oppurtunity there.

BCubb2003
05-30-2009, 09:39 PM
What was up with Phillips' footwork there?

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 09:40 PM
Trying to pull the ball BP and that's what you are going to get.
Think up the middle.

GG has a thing for JIm Tracy? Why?

KoryMac5
05-30-2009, 09:40 PM
Two consecutive nights Reds get the first two on and DP's end the inning

VR
05-30-2009, 09:42 PM
What was up with Phillips' footwork there?

His foot slid out from under him earlier in that ab, as it has a handful of times this year. It then slid as he took a step to first to enable the DP to be turned.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:42 PM
Hardy ground up the middle, nice play from Alex G to range to it and make it look pretty easy.

One out, none on, Braun up.

jojo
05-30-2009, 09:42 PM
For all of the hub bub, Phillips is one of the least exciting and more overrated offensive players in the majors IMHO.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:43 PM
Braun homers. 5-4.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:43 PM
Braun homers.

5-4 Reds lead.

Fielder due up.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:46 PM
GG has a thing for JIm Tracy? Why?


I think he's from Hamilton and he used to be in the Reds organization.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:47 PM
Brewers are seeing Harang pretty well tonite. It would appear they are coming out of their slump.

Fielder singles to CF.

One out, one on.

VR
05-30-2009, 09:47 PM
Fielder seeing Harang very very well.....fortunate to just hit a single off him. The ball will need to be replaced as it now has one flat side.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:48 PM
Cameron up.

Hopefully the Reds bullpen is up as well. Harang is at the end of his night.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:48 PM
Hey Aaron, believe it or not people can hit an outside pitch when they know that's where it's gonna be 95% of the time.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:48 PM
Reds are down 6-5.

Cameron homers.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:49 PM
6-5 Brewers. Harang is terrible today.

CrackerJack
05-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Harang, ugh.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Ugh. For it being a "big" road trip, the Reds are not off to a great start.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Too bad.....5 runs should have been enough.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Too much offense for a guy like Harang. Sweep-a-delic with Owings going tomorrow.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:49 PM
6-5 Brewers. Harang is terrible today.

Missing his spots quite a bit for sure.

VR
05-30-2009, 09:50 PM
I wonder if he's tipping pitches. 5 of the last 6 hitters have swung from the heels and tee'd off on Aaron. His velocity and movement seem good.

CTA513
05-30-2009, 09:50 PM
Ugh. For it being a "big" road trip, the Reds are not off to a great start.


Doesn't matter, Bruce already said the Reds would return home in 1st place.

:cool:

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:50 PM
10 hits for the Astros off Harang last Monday.

10 hits for Milwaukee tonite.

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:51 PM
Just pull him, Dusty.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 09:51 PM
10 hits for the Astros off Harang last Monday.

10 hits for Milwaukee tonite.

Speaking of overrated performers.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:51 PM
Excuse me single for Hart up the middle, Phillips knocks it down but can't do anything with.

No one is up in the pen for Cincy. Because Dusty is in a coma?

One out, one on. Hall up.

jojo
05-30-2009, 09:52 PM
Cameron is one of my favorite players but that sucks.....he got a good pitch to hit.

Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 09:52 PM
i hope bp didn't aggravate that thumb diving at second

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:52 PM
This has been a rather disappointing 5th inning. Reds should have scored in their half, instead didn't get one across to pad the lead. And now this. Frustrating.

Finally Reds pen is up. Herrera and Lincoln.

Matt700wlw
05-30-2009, 09:53 PM
Dusty doing a poor job with Harang tonight

jojo
05-30-2009, 09:53 PM
6 runs aint gonna do it tonight....

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:54 PM
I wonder if he's tipping pitches. 5 of the last 6 hitters have swung from the heels and tee'd off on Aaron. His velocity and movement seem good.

5 of his 6 runs were given up on 2 pitches that he missed up and out over the plate on.

Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 09:54 PM
Dusty doing a poor job with Harang tonight

don't you know that your ace MUST pitch 5 complete innings;)

Tom Servo
05-30-2009, 09:55 PM
7 runs now. Pull him.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:55 PM
Hall doubles off the wall in left. Runner scores from first in a close play at the plate, and Hall takes third.

7-5 Brewers.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 09:55 PM
He did not do a poor job....Harang pulled a Milton just like that.

No one expects Harang to pull a Milton.

VR
05-30-2009, 09:55 PM
This has been a rather disappointing 5th inning. Reds should have scored in their half, instead didn't get one across to pad the lead. And now this. Frustrating.

Finally Reds pen is up. Herrera and Lincoln.

just frozen rope after frozen rope.

CTA513
05-30-2009, 09:55 PM
Baker with the quick hook.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:55 PM
Mercifully, Dusty finally ends the Harang show for this night.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 09:56 PM
Dusty doing a poor job with Harang tonight


He was trying to get dude a win.

PuffyPig
05-30-2009, 09:56 PM
If Gonzalez doesn't bounce the 100 foot throw, Hart is dead at the plate.

VR
05-30-2009, 09:56 PM
5 of his 6 runs were given up on 2 pitches that he missed up and out over the plate on.

I saw those.....put there have been some absolute rockets hit for singles and doubles as well. You just don't see that very often off of Harang.

BoydsOfSummer
05-30-2009, 09:56 PM
Doesn't appear that tossing under the stands during the rain delay did Harang any favors. Wow they are raking him.

membengal
05-30-2009, 09:56 PM
Gang, I have to attend to the grill and cook dinner for the family. Can someone pick up the PBP?

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:57 PM
If Gonzalez doesn't bounce the 100 foot throw, Hart is dead at the plate.

Yeah that was an awful throw, took a lot off it.

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 09:57 PM
They are talking about the rain delay against HOU...affecting him. Is this going to be another San Diego story?

jojo
05-30-2009, 09:57 PM
I thought Hart was gonna be gunned....the play at the plate always makes my heart race into my throat...

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 09:57 PM
6 runs aint gonna do it tonight....

Yeah it will

jojo
05-30-2009, 09:58 PM
Nix/Gonzo=jello arms.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 09:59 PM
I saw those.....put there have been some absolute rockets hit for singles and doubles as well. You just don't see that very often off of Harang.

True, don't yet know what to make of it. Of course the Vulture says he's overrated anyway. :rolleyes:

BoydsOfSummer
05-30-2009, 09:59 PM
Eight runs will prolly be enough.:(

Red in Chicago
05-30-2009, 09:59 PM
burton continues to not miss bats....

CTA513
05-30-2009, 10:00 PM
burton continues to not miss bats....

Hes trying to copy some of the starting pitchers.

VR
05-30-2009, 10:00 PM
If Burton lets McClung get a hit.....they should make him walk to Louisville and think about things.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:01 PM
If Burton lets McClung get a hit.....they should make him walk to Louisville and think about things.


Well, he didn't get a hit.

toledodan
05-30-2009, 10:01 PM
wow, this inning is a game killer.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:02 PM
I don't get the holding out on demoting/cutting Burton.

jojo
05-30-2009, 10:02 PM
The good performances from the rotation have hid the sins of a vanilla, flawed bullpen.

VR
05-30-2009, 10:02 PM
Continue to swing from the heals.

Cue up some chin music.

Matt700wlw
05-30-2009, 10:02 PM
Speaking of overrated performers.

You've been waiting for this type of beating all year....finally gives you a legit reason to rail on the guy

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:03 PM
Wild pitch on a strikeout sends McClung to 1st and the other runner to 3rd.

remdog
05-30-2009, 10:03 PM
I earlier suggested that the BP would be in in the 5th. Sorry. I was wrong. I was over-optomistic. :(

Rem

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:03 PM
The good performances from the rotation have hid the sins of a vanilla, flawed bullpen.

You definitely get the 6th/7th man out of the pen when you only go 4 1/3. That's just the nature of it.

VR
05-30-2009, 10:04 PM
Continue to swing from the heals.

Cue up some chin music.

Check that. Cue the circus music.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:04 PM
I don't get the holding out on demoting/cutting Burton.


If I were running things he'd be in LOU. He has to have options left since he's never been sent down by the Reds, IIRC.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:04 PM
You've been waiting for this type of beating all year....finally gives you a legit reason to rail on the guy

Him and Arroyo both = average/sub-average starters viewed otherwise by this board.

BCubb2003
05-30-2009, 10:05 PM
You definitely get the 6th/7th man out of the pen when you only go 4 1/3. That's just the nature of it.

Agree with that. Starters who go seven and eight make a big difference for the bullpen.

WVRedsFan
05-30-2009, 10:07 PM
This is just brutal.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 10:08 PM
Him and Arroyo both = average/sub-average starters viewed otherwise by this board.

And I suppose Wellemeyer & Pineiro are above average.

Matt700wlw
05-30-2009, 10:08 PM
Woohoo! Air Raid sirens blaring...lovely night in the Nati :lol:

jojo
05-30-2009, 10:08 PM
You definitely get the 6th/7th man out of the pen when you only go 4 1/3. That's just the nature of it.

I wasn't just referring to their 6th man on in the pen though.

jojo
05-30-2009, 10:10 PM
Him and Arroyo both = average/sub-average starters viewed otherwise by this board.

Harang is an above average starting pitcher.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:10 PM
Woohoo! Air Raid sirens blaring...lovely night in the Nati :lol:


The Godless Communists are invading?

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:10 PM
I wasn't just referring to their 6th man on in the pen though.

Guess I fail to see what's vanilla about Cordero, Rhodes, Weathers, Fisher, Herrera.

You got me with Lincoln and Burton....

Don't know many teams solid from 1-7 in their pen.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:11 PM
Harang is an above average starting pitcher.

He has been--he wasn't last year.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:11 PM
And I suppose Wellemeyer & Pineiro are above average.

Not really.

PuffyPig
05-30-2009, 10:12 PM
The good performances from the rotation have hid the sins of a vanilla, flawed bullpen.

Our starters are 6th in the NL with a 4.11 ERA (excluding Harang's performance tonight).

Our relievers are 4th with an ERA of 3.62, with one blown save (the next best is 4).

Tony Cloninger
05-30-2009, 10:12 PM
Even the BRM had Ed Sprauge, Ray Washburn and Mike McQueen.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 10:14 PM
Not really.

Why not it's almost as absurd. Actually probably moreso.

jojo
05-30-2009, 10:14 PM
He has been--he wasn't last year.

Even last season his peripherals were solidly above average-he just gave up more dingers than usual.

VR
05-30-2009, 10:14 PM
I think the Reds will still make some noise in this one.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:14 PM
Nix Ks looking.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:15 PM
Even last season his peripherals were solidly above average-he just gave up more dingers than usual.

Not all of his peripherals

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:16 PM
Why not it's almost as absurd.

Arroyo is decidedly below average. Harang has been about average the last eight months of pitching (since April of 2008).

Nothing absurd about that.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:16 PM
Razor Ramon K's swinging.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:17 PM
Gonzo flies to CF

jojo
05-30-2009, 10:17 PM
Our starters are 6th in the NL with a 4.11 ERA (excluding Harang's performance tonight).

Our relievers are 4th with an ERA of 3.62, with one blown save (the next best is 4).

The pen is decidedly average when ranked by it's FIP (16th in the majors).

Cordero and Rhodes are the only arms that are interesting in the pen and Rhodes is a little older than Methuselah.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:18 PM
Offense (even without Votto) has been on a slow but steady upsweep. Pitching has been on a slow but certain down-tic.

If pitching can level off, great. But it's showing no signs of steadying.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 10:19 PM
Arroyo is decidedly below average. Harang has been about average the last eight months of pitching (since April of 2008).

Nothing absurd about that.

So if eight months are some sort of indication then you have Arroyo wrong for sure, if not then Harang isn't below average. So eight months or even a year determines the level of pitcher one is? Sorry that's just plain being facetious.

traderumor
05-30-2009, 10:19 PM
The bad news is that the Brewers are the Dunn-Griffey era Reds on offense. Homers or bust. Long slumps, runs in bunches, slump, runs in bunches. Can beat up even good pitchers when the bombs are flying.

The good news is that the Brewers are the Dunn-Griffey era Reds on offense.

The bad news is that they have a wee bit more pitching--not a bunch--but a wee bit more pitching and might be able to play homer or bust baseball and win.

jojo
05-30-2009, 10:21 PM
Not all of his peripherals

His k/9 and BB/9 were both much better than average for a starter. He's always had neutral to slight flyball tendencies. His "luck" metrics were all a little higher than normal last season (BABIP, HR/FB and LOB%).

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:21 PM
So eight months or even a year determines the level of pitcher one is?

It's not the worst determinant, especially if you're a pitcher over 30.

Mario-Rijo
05-30-2009, 10:22 PM
It's not the worst determinant, especially if you're a pitcher over 30.

Come on now your just grasping at straws.

Chip R
05-30-2009, 10:22 PM
You guys want to talk about the game or what?

traderumor
05-30-2009, 10:23 PM
I don't think its fair to pile on Harang when he has generally pitched pretty well this year, FCB and Jojo. He didn't have it tonight. He didn't have his patented slider at all. Why can't folks just leave it at that instead of overreacting and start playing taps each time a pitcher has a bad outing.

Falls City Beer
05-30-2009, 10:24 PM
You guys want to talk about the game or what?

You're right. Probably best to go to the ORG. This one's over.