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GOYA
06-01-2009, 10:53 PM
Yes, I know it's early. I'm pretty sure he's eligible. He only had 85 ABs last year and I don't think he was on the roster 45 days. Or is it 45 days prior to 9/1?

Anyway, where is his NL ROY competition? Do you think he'll get enough ABs for consideration?

GIDP
06-01-2009, 10:58 PM
He wont have enough playing time to warrant the award.

GOYA
06-01-2009, 11:21 PM
There's only two NL rookies currently qualified for the batting title. Colby Rasmus and Jordan Schafer. They're hitting .229 and .204 respectively. Pitching doesn't look much better.

But that's from the ESPN site and they don't even list Hanigan in the unqualified rookies.

Plus Plus
06-02-2009, 06:42 PM
Danny Ray Herrera would be a fun one, wouldn't he? He has been dominating and although he probably will not even be remotely considered it is a fun discussion point.

Here are some key stats for Dr. H

ERA- 1.74 in 22 games (20.2IP)
25 Ks
ERA+ of a whopping 261

Thoughts? I know this is impossible, btw.

flash
06-02-2009, 07:59 PM
Hannigan was called up at the beginning of august last year which means he had between 45 and sixty consecutive days on the club last year. He is ineligible. Same thing for Dickerson. Herrera is eligible though.

GOYA
06-02-2009, 08:49 PM
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 - a rookie is formally defined as a player with less than 130 at-bats, a pitcher with less than 50 innings pitched, or anyone with less than 45 days on any Major League roster.

Hanigan had 95 total ABs in the majors prior to this year.

2007 - 10
2008 - 85

Redeye fly
06-02-2009, 09:19 PM
Hanigan is a rookie. But the only way he gets any serious consideration for ROY is if Hernandez is playing first all of the time because Votto is not there,or Hernandez goes into such a tailspin that Hanigan becomes the starting catcher getting most of the playing time.

I don't think we want either of those things to happen.

flash
06-18-2009, 12:00 AM
I stand corrected. Hanigan has never been on a major league roster for 45 consecutive days before September 1st which is what the rule states. I was somewhat upset tonight. The annoucers were making a big deal out of the fact that two of the four hits tonight were home runs. They neglected to mention that Hanigan had the other two hits. I am also upset that the reds refuse to promote this guy. He has the second highest BA and OBP in the National league. He is the only catcher that has more caught stealing than stolen bases. he is also the Reds only .300 hitter. He has one of the highest fielding percentages Calling him a back-up is wrong since he now has caught more games than Hernandez. One of the Reds announcers was touting Russel Martin as one of the guys he would build a club around.

Well, since the Reds won't promote this guy, I guess it is up to the fans. No disrespect to Herrera, but Hanigan should be Rookie of the Year. He probably should be on the All-Star team also.

Ghosts of 1990
06-18-2009, 12:54 AM
I'll say it again: Hanigan has really impressed me and he looks a lot to me like Jason Kendall was when Kendall was an All-Star catcher. Minus the speed to steal a base of course, but the approach and the hitting. Very simple and quiet approach, good contact hitter, a lot of singles. Love this guy.

davereds24
06-18-2009, 02:31 AM
I stand corrected. Hanigan has never been on a major league roster for 45 consecutive days before September 1st which is what the rule states. I was somewhat upset tonight. The annoucers were making a big deal out of the fact that two of the four hits tonight were home runs. They neglected to mention that Hanigan had the other two hits. I am also upset that the reds refuse to promote this guy. He has the second highest BA and OBP in the National league. He is the only catcher that has more caught stealing than stolen bases. he is also the Reds only .300 hitter. He has one of the highest fielding percentages Calling him a back-up is wrong since he now has caught more games than Hernandez. One of the Reds announcers was touting Russel Martin as one of the guys he would build a club around.

Well, since the Reds won't promote this guy, I guess it is up to the fans. No disrespect to Herrera, but Hanigan should be Rookie of the Year. He probably should be on the All-Star team also.

until dusty moves him up in the lineup from the 7/8 hole it's not gonna happen. having bruce/gonzo/jhj etc and their .300obp ahead of him he has no opportunities for rbi's.

corwinator3407
06-18-2009, 11:32 AM
Danny Ray Herrera would be a fun one, wouldn't he? He has been dominating and although he probably will not even be remotely considered it is a fun discussion point.

Here are some key stats for Dr. H

ERA- 1.74 in 22 games (20.2IP)
25 Ks
ERA+ of a whopping 261

Thoughts? I know this is impossible, btw.

Why is it impossible?


And the #2 spot in the lineup is supposed to be the guy that gets hits right, why not put Hanigan in the 2 hole cause he's the only guy consistently hitting right now.

Old NDN
06-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Gonna be hard to justify ROY consideration if he becomes a part-time player.

flash
06-22-2009, 11:09 PM
I just checked. Against the Phillies this year Hanigan went 3-6 with 2 walks. He hit his only home run. He had one error, but he also picked a runner off first. He gave up two stolen bases. So he performed well in front of Manuel, who will be picking the reserves for the AS team.

GIDP
06-23-2009, 10:56 AM
Hanigan will never get the playing time once Votto returns. Blame the manager for refusing to play the better player once again.

sivman17
06-23-2009, 01:03 PM
Per John Fay: "He hit .271 in 31 games with the Reds last season, but because he didn't have 130 AB (he had 126) or appear on the active roster for 45 days, he retained his rookie status."

He's definitely a rookie, as a couple of you have stated. He has thrown out 10 of 22 runners trying to steal, which LEADS THE MAJORS among catchers with 20 or more chances. He is batting .325 with a .411 OBP. He is without a doubt deserving of playing time once Votto comes back and of the ROY.

bounty37h
06-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Deserving, most likely, prob unnoticed or recognized for that by others, most likely.

Kingspoint
06-23-2009, 05:16 PM
But, he's a catcher. He must bat 7th or 8th.

Dusty's unreal. It's way beyond my understanding.

You've got one player, Dickerson, an excellent Centerfielder, with a lifetime OBP of .396, and lifetime OPS of .882, yet he sits on the bench instead of playing every day so he can get even better. Yet, Taveras and his butt-ugly OBP of .274 and OPS of .552, is given more at-bats every game than any player on the REDS.

You've got another player, Hanigan, an excellent Catcher, so it seems, with a lifetime OBP of .411, and OPS of .808, and he bats either in front of a pitcher at 8th, or in front of a crappy offensive player like Rosales at #7. Instead of batting #2 and setting the table for the Bruce homeruns and Phillips' clutch hitting, he gets fewer at bats than any starter on the team.

Thank you Dusty Baker for once again causing this team to under-achieve.

Fire Dusty Baker. He's clearly the weakest link for the 2nd year in a row.

CesarGeronimo
06-23-2009, 08:06 PM
Hanigan even runs pretty well for a catcher. I don't see any reason he shouldn't bat second in this lineup.

Kingspoint
06-23-2009, 08:10 PM
Hanigan even runs pretty well for a catcher. I don't see any reason he shouldn't bat second in this lineup.

No kidding. Lot's of catchers have batted 2nd or 1st because they can hit .300.

The Crusty Baker would rather five a .200 hitter 4 PA's and handicap the club offensively though because he's really fast.

OOOOOHHHHH. He's really fast. OOOOOHHHH.