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KoryMac5
06-02-2009, 05:19 PM
Heyman was just on WFAN talking baseball with Mike Francesa. He felt that the Reds would probably wait a month before making a decision on whether or not to unload one of these guys or both. Heyman feels that teams like the Phillies would be interested in Harang if they don't snag their first choice like Peavy or Lee.

Should be an interesting summer of trade rumors.

cincrazy
06-02-2009, 05:21 PM
IMO, if this team is even close to attention, they can't trade Harang. MAYBE Arroyo. But if we're 3 games back and this management pulls a mid 90's White Sox, the fan base will revolt. Maybe not all of the fans, but enough of the casual fans to make a difference at the gate. I think they'll really have to go on a slide in June for this to happen. Not saying it's impossible, but I don't expect it.

Krusty
06-02-2009, 05:23 PM
Heyman was just on WFAN talking baseball with Mike Francesa. He felt that the Reds would probably wait a month before making a decision on whether or not to unload one of these guys or both. Heyman feels that teams like the Phillies would be interested in Harang if they don't snag their first choice like Peavy or Lee.

Should be an interesting summer of trade rumors.

You're talking about New York broadcasters. Other than the Yankees, Mets and probably the Red Sox, they think the other clubs are the farm system for the Big Three.

KoryMac5
06-02-2009, 05:27 PM
You're talking about New York broadcasters. Other than the Yankees, Mets and probably the Red Sox, they think the other clubs are the farm system for the Big Three.

Point taken, but most of the conversation centered on the Phillies who are pushing very hard for a pitcher to go along with Hammels in that rotation. The Philles feel they have a team built to win over the next year or two and want to go after another quality arm.

RedEye
06-02-2009, 05:51 PM
I dunno. The injury to Volquez has reminded me how nice it is to have depth at SP. What's more, pitchers like Harang and Arroyo take a lot of work (and a little luck) for small market teams like the Reds to acquire in the first place.

If Walt thinks he can acquire a blue chip pitching prospect and a young mainstay at a crucial position for the offense (a C, SS or CF) in the same deal, then he should really consider it. What I have in mind, though, is a Bedard-level return (Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, etc.) Otherwise I'm just not sure it makes sense for this team.

NJReds
06-02-2009, 05:58 PM
You're talking about New York broadcasters. Other than the Yankees, Mets and probably the Red Sox, they think the other clubs are the farm system for the Big Three.

Francesca has been pining for Arroyo to the Yanks for three years.

Strikes Out Looking
06-02-2009, 06:03 PM
The only ways Bronson and Aaron are on the block are: 1. The Reds drop to about 10 games out or 2. Both Maloney and Bailey pitch lights out at the Major league level (with injuries they'll get or in Bailey's case, got, opportunities).

lollipopcurve
06-02-2009, 06:09 PM
1. The Reds drop to about 10 games out or 2. Both Maloney and Bailey pitch lights out at the Major league level (with injuries they'll get or in Bailey's case, got, opportunities).

As for #1: Don't see this happening, mainly because none of the Central opponents looks real strong right now, and I don't see the Reds going into a prolonged funk. Now, if the Cubs or Brewers get Peavy, they could get hot and leave others in the dust.

As for #2: Ain't happening.

The decision whether to deal Harang or Arroyo will be a tough one, I think. They may try to have it both ways -- deal the expensive pitcher while acquiring an expensive bat.

membengal
06-02-2009, 06:19 PM
Harang can go to Philly as long as the package back is built around or includes Michael Taylor.

Mario-Rijo
06-02-2009, 06:21 PM
Harang can go to Philly as long as the package back is built around or includes Michael Taylor.

Ya don't say, what's the 411 on Taylor mem?

membengal
06-02-2009, 06:24 PM
6'6" 250 pound OF. Easily onto Top 100 lists to start the year, and has been monstrous at AA Reading. He's 23. He was highly touted going to Stanford, I believe, they messed up his swing, he came to MLB after that with the shine off his star, and has since re-found his original swing and is a hitting machine. I am sure there are plenty of holes etc. once the minor league gurus weigh in, but I love his potential as well as what he is now, and he's the kind of player that would be a nice return:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Michael%20Taylor&pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446345

Currently at .341/.398/.604 for a 1.001 OPS at Reading. 9 homers. 8 stolen bases.

The light came back on after his first year of Pro Ball:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=taylor010mic

OnBaseMachine
06-02-2009, 06:33 PM
Sure, the Phillies can have Harang for Dominic Brown/Michael Taylor, Kyle Drabek, and Carlos Carrasco or Lou Marson.

Will M
06-02-2009, 06:46 PM
I have no problem moving Bronson if the Reds fade. IF everyone was healthy the Reds are still just an above average team not really a World Series contender. with the injuries to EE, Votto & Volquez I just don't see the Reds making the playoffs this year.

Scrap Irony
06-02-2009, 07:12 PM
If the Reds fall out of it, both Harang and Arroyo should be available for fairly significant deals. Marson, Jason Donald, Taylor, and Vance Worley should do it.

RED VAN HOT
06-02-2009, 07:47 PM
You're talking about New York broadcasters. Other than the Yankees, Mets and probably the Red Sox, they think the other clubs are the farm system for the Big Three.

Absolutely.

I don't put much stock in this as a prediction. That the Reds might consider moving one of them in July is prediction that could easily have been made last December.

IMO, however, this is becoming increasingly unlikely as the season progresses. The Reds do have pitching depth in the minors, but none of them has proved that he can win in the majors yet. Further, the Reds are not so far away from putting a strong contender on the field that giving up starting pitching, a scarce commodity, for future prospects is warranted. A top SS prospect at AA or higher would be the only return that might be tempting. Other than that, let's play the hand the we have.

TheNext44
06-02-2009, 07:48 PM
Harang can go to Philly as long as the package back is built around or includes Michael Taylor.

Thinking the exact same thing.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75953

membengal
06-03-2009, 08:20 AM
Thinking the exact same thing.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75953

Yeah, there's not a lot to hate about Taylor's future. He would be monstrous in GABP. He'd be monstrous in any park, I do believe.

redsfan4445
06-03-2009, 11:59 AM
i agree. Michael Taylor HAS to be in any offer for either Harang or Arroyo!!

deltachi8
06-03-2009, 12:54 PM
The only ways Bronson and Aaron are on the block are: 1. The Reds drop to about 10 games out or 2. Both Maloney and Bailey pitch lights out at the Major league level (with injuries they'll get or in Bailey's case, got, opportunities).

or due to fiscal constraints.

TheNext44
06-03-2009, 01:00 PM
Here's an article about Taylor from philly.com

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20090603_Phils__prospect_Taylor_bides_his_time.htm l

Key part:


The Phils are looking for starting pitching help, and it could take a player like Taylor to land what they need. They are not in a hurry to trade Taylor - organization officials rave about his upside, performance, character, and work ethic - but there are factors suggesting that Taylor could go. He is younger and may have a higher ceiling than Mayberry. That could make him more coveted and therefore bring a better return than Mayberry.

Though no one has said it, Brown and pitcher Kyle Drabek seem to be untouchable. Collier and Gose, both products of last year's draft, can't be dealt until they have been in the system a year, and the Phillies probably aren't in a hurry to trade either. Together, they cost the Phils $1.775 million in signing bonuses.

It all adds up to Taylor possibly being a trade chip. (It is imperative to use the word possibly because team officials won't comment on potential trades or trade pieces.)

Reds1
06-03-2009, 06:59 PM
It would have to be just a knock out trade which won't happen. I think Arroyo has more value then some realize.