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Red in Chicago
06-04-2009, 07:49 PM
Per Fay:

Jerry Hairston Jr. 5

Chris Dickerson 8

Brandon Phillips 4

Jay Bruce 9

Ramon Hernandez 3

Laynce Nix 7

Alex Gonzalez 6

Ryan Hanigan 2

Aaron Harang 1

vs. RH Chris Carpenter, who's numbers are sick. 3-0, 0.62 ERA.

From Jamie Ramsey:

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:04 PM
I hate seeing players with zeros for their stats. I just feel bad for them. We should help out Chris Carpenter and give him two "1" 's. 3-1, 1.62 ERA. :O)

Red in Chicago
06-04-2009, 09:12 PM
harang due for a good game...carpenter due for a bad one;)

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:16 PM
harang due for a good game...carpenter due for a bad one;)

Whatever it is that you're selling...I'm buyin it. :beerme:

11larkin11
06-04-2009, 09:17 PM
Marlins pitcher Josh Johnson hits a 3-R HR to give the Marlins a 4-1 lead over the Brewers

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:18 PM
Dickerson singles the first pitch through the middle.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:19 PM
Dickerson with a single up the middle. (Hairston grounded out to 3rd for the 1st out)

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:20 PM
Phillips hits into a Phillips. No score after a half inning.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:23 PM
Ummm...I hope Harang gets it together soon. He's all over the place.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:24 PM
Leadoff walk

redsfaninbsg
06-04-2009, 09:25 PM
I'd go for a 4-6-3 here.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:25 PM
I'm probably not going to be able to do the PBP...I'll be in and out. I'll try to help out when I can though.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:27 PM
Harang K's Rasmus. Pujols coming up.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:28 PM
Harang consistantly around 92-93 according to gameday. That's a good sign.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:29 PM
Pujols grounds into a Phillips to end the first inning.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:32 PM
Bruce flies out to right.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:34 PM
Ramon K's looking on a 3-2 pitch on the outside corner.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:36 PM
This rookie home plate ump is a JOKE, but only the Cardinals are laughing. Would love to see side-by-side replays of "ball four" to Shumacher and "strike three" to Ramon Hernandez.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:36 PM
Nix gets jammed and flies out to right. No score after 1 1/2.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Ludwick with a hit to right.
Ankiel hits a single through the right side.

2 on, no out.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Harang seems to be relying on the fastball rather heavily again.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:43 PM
Boy, Brantley is exactly right. Harang is not using his legs nearly enough and that's why he's struggling.

Brantley might be the worst PBP man in radio history, but he's a good color analyst on TV. He's hitting this nail right on the head. Harang is not pushing off enough.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:44 PM
His control is erratic at best right now.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:45 PM
Harang walks Molina. Bases loaded, no outs. Joe Thurston coming up.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:45 PM
Molina walks. Bases loaded for Thurston.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:45 PM
Harang has been a trainwreck so far this inning. Let's hope this is an aberration.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:46 PM
Nice, I love Joe Thurston.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:46 PM
Thurston hit a foul ball that would have cleared the bases if it were fair, and then breaks his back on a popup to short. 1 out, bases still loaded.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:47 PM
I also love it when LaRussa looks like a complete idiot batting the pitcher eighth!!! DP lane baby!!!

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:47 PM
Carpenter grounds into a Phillips. Cardinals waste bases loaded with no outs. No score after 2 innings.

membengal
06-04-2009, 09:47 PM
huge blow ducked there. wow. we'll take it.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:48 PM
Seriously, nice move Tony batting the pitcher eighth you self-proclaimed genius! Hahahaha!!!

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Nice Houdini pulled there by Aaron. But I sure don't like him playing with fire like he was. He needs to settle down and quick-like.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:50 PM
Drink if you are playing the "Alex Gonzalez throws his bat in the stands" drinking game.

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 09:50 PM
3 Phillip's already, one by Brandon...

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:51 PM
I think LaRussa's next bold move should be to bat Pujols ninth. What is his idiotic reasoning again for batting the pitcher eighth?

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:51 PM
A-Gon hits it on a line to center where Rasmus gets to it. One out.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:54 PM
Only a catcher (or pitcher) wouldn't have beat that one out.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:54 PM
Hanigan hits a chopper but isn't fast enough to beat it out and gets thrown out by Ryan. 2 outs.

Big Klu
06-04-2009, 09:54 PM
Did George just say that Molina is headed to a Hall-Of-Fame career?! :eek:

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 09:54 PM
Ryan grounds out...but man, he never gets cheated in his AB's. He really makes pitchers work.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:55 PM
Harang grounds out to third. No score after 2 1/2.

11larkin11
06-04-2009, 09:55 PM
Only a catcher (or pitcher) wouldn't have beat that one out.

Or, when Votto is out, a first baseman ;)

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 09:55 PM
Did George just say that Molina is headed to a Hall-Of-Fame career?! :eek:

Yes, noted Cardinals fan George Grande did in fact say that. What a tool.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 09:59 PM
Harang K's Brendan Ryan. One out.

remdog
06-04-2009, 10:00 PM
Blitz:

You're making me laugh too much. I'm trying to fix dinner. :lol:

Rem

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 10:01 PM
Shumaker singles through the left side. One on, one out.


I'm afraid I won't be able to continue with play by play at the moment. May be back later.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:02 PM
Rasmus pops up to Gonzo in shallow left. 2 down.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:03 PM
Crud. Dinger. 2-0 cards. Poo-holes.

redsfaninbsg
06-04-2009, 10:03 PM
I said it the other night, why would you ever pitch to him? Make Ludwick beat you.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:04 PM
Will Reds pitchers honestly ever learn? You don't let Pujols beat you with men on base. It's that simple. Arroyo screwed this up too. Walk him. Let Ludwick try to beat you.

Idiots.

membengal
06-04-2009, 10:04 PM
I was too slow. I couldn't get it quite turned quick enough to avoid George Grande's excited tone.

I am sorry. I know it's been said. By everyone. But, really, really, really, really, this is complete horse post-digestive matter that Grande is foisted on a partisan Reds fanbase with his excitement for the Cardinals. I hate it. I hate the Reds for making the fans deal with that year after year. It is past funny now. It has moved up to plain cruel.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:04 PM
Blitz:

You're making me laugh too much. I'm trying to fix dinner. :lol:

Rem

Hopefully Harang pitching to Pujols with two outs didn't ruin your appetite. Ouch, not a very bright move there. I would be pitching around Pujols with two outs 100 times out of 100. Well, I guess if the bases were loaded I would consider pitching to him. ;-)

CTA513
06-04-2009, 10:04 PM
Can't give Pujols that kind of pitch to hit.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:05 PM
I've been as skeptical of Gonzo as anybody, but his defense has been VERY solid this year. Swipes a hit from Ludwick to end the inning. 2-0 Cruds after 3

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:05 PM
Can't give Pujols that kind of pitch to hit.

10-4.

alloverjr
06-04-2009, 10:06 PM
Harang looking no better than Owings recently. Not horrible, just 5 slot material. Even many of his outs are crushed. I wish he was hurt so there was some sound explanation and he's trying to gut it out. Otherwise...

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:06 PM
I think the Reds are the only team that hasn't gotten that memo (pitch around Pujols with men on base and two outs).

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 10:06 PM
No one complained when they pitched to Pujols in the first inning and he hit into a Phillips.

Walking Pujols with a runner on first will hurt you more than it will help.

But not this time.

remdog
06-04-2009, 10:06 PM
Hopefully Harang pitching to Pujols with two outs didn't ruin your appetite. Ouch, not a very bright move there. I would be pitching around Pujols with two outs 100 times out of 100. Well, I guess if the bases were loaded I would consider pitching to him. ;-)

Yeah. But only consider it. ;)

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:08 PM
Dickerson 2 for 2 with another single.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:09 PM
No one complained when they pitched to Pujols in the first inning and he hit into a Phillips.

Walking Pujols with a runner on first will hurt you more than it will help.

But not this time.

There were two outs when HGHhead hit into that double play?

I'm just joking... I know what you mean. But I was saying I would not pitch to him with two outs and a man on... not when Ludwick is struggling.

11larkin11
06-04-2009, 10:10 PM
Phillips with another Phillips

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:10 PM
Drink if you are playing the "I can't freaking believe Brandon Phillips hit into ANOTHER double play" drinking game.

remdog
06-04-2009, 10:11 PM
Right now, Dickerson is playing like the guy we saw last September.

Maybe he could have been the OD CF if Dusty had more faith in in him and the Reds could have saved a lot of money and a roster spot.

Rem

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:11 PM
Phillips hits into his second DP. I hesitate to pick on Brandon too much. He's been VERY good lately. Carpenter's a tough matchup for anybody though when he's throwing well.

He's yet to give up a HR yet this season. Sick. We need to fix that for him...several times.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:11 PM
Phillips is putty in Carpenter's hand. No chance at all. Totally exploits Phillips' desire to be the hero. *Yank*....DP. Sucker.

dsmith421
06-04-2009, 10:12 PM
Phillips was literally jumping out of his shoes with excitement for the opportunity to thrash at a bad ball. No chance whatsoever.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:13 PM
Phillips was literally jumping out of his shoes with excitement for the opportunity to thrash at a bad ball. No chance whatsoever.

Phillips would be a nightmare in the postseason. His Lil Napoleon approach to hitting going up against titans like Carpenter, Beckett, etc. Deader than a doornail.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:13 PM
Yeah, Phillips is putting up excellent numbers this year and I love him. But if we can't make fun of his "even better than Sean Casey-like" ability to hit into DP's, then what can we laugh at?

dsmith421
06-04-2009, 10:15 PM
Hall of Famer Yadi Molina steps in.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:15 PM
Yeah, Phillips is putting up excellent numbers this year and I love him. But if we can't make fun of his "even better than Sean Casey-like" ability to hit into DP's, then what can we laugh at?

Phillips won't see his game go to the next level till he learns to pick his battles. You don't go head to head against Chris Carpenter. You just don't. All you can do is try to see as many pitches as humanly possible against him and pray something bloops in between defenders.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:16 PM
What a play from Hairston. Snicely done.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:17 PM
Voters are really going to hold that against Yaddi daddi, we like to party. I think his Hall of Fame chances just took a serious hit due to that play from Hairston. (Or "Harriston" as Jorge Gran-de likes to say.)

11larkin11
06-04-2009, 10:17 PM
Nice inning. Now lets get to Carpenter!

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:20 PM
Phillips won't see his game go to the next level till he learns to pick his battles. You don't go head to head against Chris Carpenter. You just don't. All you can do is try to see as many pitches as humanly possible against him and pray something bloops in between defenders.

Going into tonight, Phillips was 3-9 lifetime against Carpenter. Small sample size to be sure, but it's not like he's been a bum.

Blitz Dorsey
06-04-2009, 10:21 PM
I really thought the Reds were going to get to Carpenter tonight. Guess not.

(Understatement of the year alert.)

We really miss Votto.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:24 PM
I really thought the Reds were going to get to Carpenter tonight. Guess not.

(Understatement of the year alert.)

We really miss Votto.

An offense can't go forever without its best hitter. A week, two maybe. But it adds up. And it becomes highly apparent in close games like this one.

11larkin11
06-04-2009, 10:24 PM
Nice inning. Now lets get to Carpenter!

Or not

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:25 PM
Just saw the Hairston play on Molina. That was one of the better plays I've ever seen at thirdbase. Regardless of Molina's speed (or lack of)...flat out extension and a quick throw off balance. Hairston's defense has really surprised me this season.

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 10:27 PM
Phillips would be a nightmare in the postseason. His Lil Napoleon approach to hitting going up against titans like Carpenter, Beckett, etc. Deader than a doornail.

Actually, Phillip's numbers vs. a number of the NL's #1 starters for other NL teams are OK.

Carpenter .889 (before todays game)
Zambrano .719
Gallardo 1.117
Oswalt .838
Maholm 1.085
Santana .833
Hamels .454
Jurrjens 1.667

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:28 PM
You can knock Gonzo's bat (and deservingly so), but his glove has been very good for the Reds this year.

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 10:29 PM
You can knock Gonzo's bat (and deservingly so), but his glove has been very good for the Reds this year.

And seems to be getting better, as he (presumably) gets healthier. His bat is starting to come around a bit too.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:30 PM
I'm thinking the Reds best shot tonight is if Carpenter grabs his right arm in pain.

dsmith421
06-04-2009, 10:30 PM
I wonder if Yadi's Cooperstown plaque will mention his blazing speed...George actually referred to him as a "stealth stolen base threat" last night, which is hilarious because no Molina has ever been "stealth" and it takes them 15 minutes to get to first base.

redsfaninbsg
06-04-2009, 10:31 PM
Harang going to full counts but getting outs.

OldXOhio
06-04-2009, 10:31 PM
I said it the other night, why would you ever pitch to him? Make Ludwick beat you.

Even the Cards announcers are asking this question.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:31 PM
Harang going to full counts but getting outs.

loud outs.

jojo
06-04-2009, 10:32 PM
You can knock Gonzo's bat (and deservingly so), but his glove has been very good for the Reds this year.

UZR seems to agree.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:32 PM
Even the Cards announcers are asking this question.

I'm okay with pitching to Pujols (you have to at some point), but I don't cotton to first pitch cookie fastballs down Broadway. Totally not solid strategy.

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 10:33 PM
I'm thinking the Reds best shot tonight is if Carpenter grabs his right arm in pain.


That's funny, as I've been imagining that happening almost every pitch.

Carpenter is like Williamson when he pitched for us before his trade to the BoSox. Every pitch might just be his last. The difference is, Carpenter throws so much in control all the time, he never looks like he might ever get injured.

11larkin11
06-04-2009, 10:33 PM
I wonder if Yadi's Cooperstown plaque will mention his blazing speed...George actually referred to him as a "stealth stolen base threat" last night, which is hilarious because no Molina has ever been "stealth" and it takes them 15 minutes to get to first base.

According to GG, Yadi is a "stealth stolen base threat", and Rasmus "poses no threat on the basepaths"

Sigh.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:35 PM
Gonzo grounded out to Ryan on the first pitch.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:35 PM
If Hanigan gets on here, do you PH?

Never mind.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:35 PM
Hanigan K's swinging.

CTA513
06-04-2009, 10:36 PM
6 innings and 63 pitches for Carpenter

redsfaninbsg
06-04-2009, 10:37 PM
6 innings and 63 pitches for Carpenter

Wow.

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 10:37 PM
Cubs rained out, we get Zambrano tomorrow now.

jojo
06-04-2009, 10:39 PM
It only takes an innocent walk or nubber for an infield hit followed by a pitch over the plate.... it can even happen with two outs. This game can turn from hopeless to something completely different during a trip to the fridge....

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:40 PM
It only takes an innocent walk or nubber for an infield hit followed by a pitch over the plate.... it can even happen with two outs. This game can turn from hopeless to something completely different during a trip to the fridge....

Yep, it's only a 2 run game guys. Far from over.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:40 PM
It only takes an innocent walk or nubber for an infield hit followed by a pitch over the plate.... it can even happen with two outs. This game can turn from hopeless to something completely different during a trip to the fridge....

I agree. But which Red is going to take Carpenter out?

With Dunn, there was always a chance, but this lineup is not conducive to bloop-and-blast ball.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:41 PM
Ummm...Yep, it's only a 3 run game guys. Far from over.

redsfaninbsg
06-04-2009, 10:41 PM
This is ridiculous, walk him.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:41 PM
WALK Pujols. It's that simple.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:41 PM
And the point may be moot after Pujols' AB.

Edit: The point IS moot.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:42 PM
Foolish error on Brandon Phillips.

This game is over.

membengal
06-04-2009, 10:43 PM
This one's over.

jojo
06-04-2009, 10:43 PM
Pujols laughs at defense. Harang kind of served him one though.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:44 PM
Foolish error on Brandon Phillips.

This game is over.

Yes it was...and no it isn't. If this team has shown us anything this season is that they have the ability to comeback and they refuse to give up.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:45 PM
Yes it was...and no it isn't. If this team has shown us anything this season is that they have the ability to comeback and they refuse to give up.

They do fight, they just don't have the necessary weapons against a breezing Carpenter.

jojo
06-04-2009, 10:46 PM
Foolish error on Brandon Phillips.

This game is over.

Phillips lost his concentration on that one. A man has got to know his limitations and I have a feeling that Clint Eastwood would've gunned Phillips down.....

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2009, 10:46 PM
How do you miss that badly when you pitch to the best hitter in the game....how can your location just go on 2 straight AB's? He has not had any problem with the other hitters like that.

Is Albert so good that he is like a magnet that brings the ball back into his hitting zone or does Harang not know how to throw a ball?

jojo
06-04-2009, 10:48 PM
Harang got away with one on the K to Ankiel.....

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:48 PM
How do you miss that badly when you pitch to the best hitter in the game....how can your location just go on 2 straight AB's? He has not had any problem with the other hitters like that.

Is Albert so good that he is like a magnet that brings the ball back into his hitting zone or does Harang not know how to throw a ball?

I don't know, Pujols just never misses a mistake pitch, where others do from time to time.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:48 PM
Phillips lost his concentration on that one. A man has got to know his limitations and I have a feeling that Clint Eastwood would've gunned Phillips down.....

That is totally true.

The Reds do have a slight bit of hope...with it being 3 runs. But it's going to take something special happening to come back in this game.

CTA513
06-04-2009, 10:49 PM
Still a 3 run game after Molina hit into a double play to end the 6th inning.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:51 PM
Just no chance. Two instantaneous outs.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:52 PM
Well, I don't think Phillips will hit into another DP here. And I'm going out on a limb here. :O)

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:53 PM
Phillips Ks on a slider 6 inches off the dish. "Overmatched" is an insult to understatements.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:53 PM
I hate the Cards and Carpenter...but man, he has been REALLY impressive. He's faced the minimum thru 7

If we would've just walked Poo-holes each time...this might be a scoreless game.

alloverjr
06-04-2009, 10:54 PM
At least they made him work that inning - 2 more pitches than last.

CTA513
06-04-2009, 10:55 PM
7 innings and 72 pitches for Carpenter

Hes on his way to a complete game under 100 pitches.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:55 PM
At least they made him work that inning - 2 more pitches than last.

Sort of the problem with Carpenter. He's not going to walk you. You pretty much have to try to put it in play in order to continue to the inning.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:56 PM
Sort of the problem with Carpenter. He's not going to walk you. You pretty much have to try to put it in play in order to continue to the inning.

They certainly could be working him into deeper counts though. This first pitch swinging is a horrible idea unless you want to face him for 9 innings.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 10:56 PM
All things considered, Harang bounced back to have a pretty solid game so far.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 10:58 PM
We like to joke on here about how stupid Jocketty was to sign Carpenter to a long-term deal. I'm guessing Mozeliak is kissing the ink on that contract right about now. Carpenter IS the Cardinals' chance for the postseason. No Carpenter; no postseason for the Cardinals. Simple as that.

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 10:58 PM
If we would've just walked Poo-holes each time...this might be a scoreless game.


If you reconstruct the game based on walking Pujols each time, and we walked him in the first, they get two runs in that first inning.

AmarilloRed
06-04-2009, 10:58 PM
Wasn't it only a couple of years ago when Harang outdueled Carpenter in a 1-0 game? Different result this time.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 10:59 PM
We like to joke on here about how stupid Jocketty was to sign Carpenter to a long-term deal. I'm guessing Mozeliak is kissing the ink on that contract right about now. Carpenter IS the Cardinals' chance for the postseason. No Carpenter; no postseason for the Cardinals. Simple as that.

Let's see how deep into the season he makes it. It was a good risk, but not sure if it'll pay off.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 10:59 PM
We like to joke on here about how stupid Jocketty was to sign Carpenter to a long-term deal. I'm guessing Mozeliak is kissing the ink on that contract right about now. Carpenter IS the Cardinals' chance for the postseason. No Carpenter; no postseason for the Cardinals. Simple as that.
It still wasn't necessary to sign the deal at that time, but Carpenter certainly is worth the Cardinals money.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:00 PM
If you reconstruct the game based on walking Pujols each time, and we walked him in the first, they get two runs in that first inning.

Hey! Don't go using logic on me here. In my happy fantasy world this game would be tied. Just HAD to burst my bubble didn't you. :D

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:00 PM
It still wasn't necessary to sign the deal at that time, but Carpenter certainly is worth the Cardinals money.

Then Carpenter goes on the open market. Rule of thumb: keep the winners around.

Ltlabner
06-04-2009, 11:02 PM
Who's got the bigger case of puppy love? George Grande for Molina or FCB over Carpenter?

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:03 PM
Cubs & Braves rained out
Pirates beat Mets 11-6 (nice debut for McCutchen)
Brewers lost 3-4 to the Fish
Astros down 7-1 in the 7th to the Rockies

Nice escape again for Aaron. I can't remember the last time I saw this many double plays in one game. That's 6 so far.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:03 PM
Who's got the bigger case of puppy love? George Grande for Molina or FCB over Carpenter?

I'm wondering when Jocketty's going to get the Reds their version of Carpenter--as opposed to say Owings?

westofyou
06-04-2009, 11:04 PM
Let's see how deep into the season he makes it. It was a good risk, but not sure if it'll pay off.

If he can face the Reds every game he's a steal until his arm falls off.. oh and how bout that #3 hitter tonight?

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 11:04 PM
Who's got the bigger case of puppy love? George Grande for Molina or FCB over Carpenter?
Atleast FCB's is justified, Carpenter's that good. Did Grande seriously suggest Molina was a HOF candidate? REALLY?

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 11:04 PM
Then Carpenter goes on the open market. Rule of thumb: keep the winners around.

He would have gone on the open market at a time when he was recovering from a serious injury.

The Cards would currently have him signed on a much lower, incentive laden contract.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:06 PM
He would have gone on the open market at a time when he was recovering from a serious injury.

The Cards would currently have him signed on a much lower, incentive laden contract.

No, someone ELSE would have him signed on a much lower, incentive laden contract.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:06 PM
MLB record for most DP's in one game is 10 (multiple times)

Well, 6 is the most I think I personally have ever seen.

GAC
06-04-2009, 11:06 PM
The fact of the matter is.... Carp has been dead on in his game tonight. He'd be shutting down a majority of MLB teams tonight the way he has been pitching.

Tom Servo
06-04-2009, 11:07 PM
Nix still rules!

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:07 PM
Nix! :jump: 3-1 game

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:07 PM
At least no shut out.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:07 PM
His ERA had gone all the way down to 0.49....Nixy just put it up to 0.74

jojo
06-04-2009, 11:08 PM
Dang it's like absolute offensive futility.

Mario-Rijo
06-04-2009, 11:09 PM
1st HR Carpenter has given up in 68 IP! :eek:

redsfaninbsg
06-04-2009, 11:09 PM
In the words of Thom a bloop and a blast from a tie ball game.

PuffyPig
06-04-2009, 11:10 PM
No, someone ELSE would have him signed on a much lower, incentive laden contract.


I doubt it. He has been fiercely loyal to the Cards, even when he got injured under his initial contract. He loves Duncan. he would have felt he owed them for sure.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:11 PM
After that first inning, did anybody think Aaron would still be in the game in the 8th inning? He's really fought thru his control issues tonight.

CTA513
06-04-2009, 11:11 PM
I'm wondering when Jocketty's going to get the Reds their version of Carpenter--as opposed to say Owings?

I think Ben Sheets is still available.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:13 PM
After that first inning, did anybody think Aaron would still be in the game in the 8th inning? He's really fought thru his control issues tonight.

Reds' new slogan: Good Enough to Lose!

But seriously, there's no reason for him to be in there. Don't often disagree with Dusty, but this is stupid.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:13 PM
I give Albert absolutely NOTHING to swing at here.

GAC
06-04-2009, 11:14 PM
And you have to give credit to Aaron. They guy is still out there pitching in the 8th inning. Not a bad outing for the guy at all IMO. Did more then his job in keeping us in this game. Pretty solid start IMO.

jojo
06-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Hairston owes God a Christmas card.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Reds' new slogan: Good Enough to Lose!

But seriously, there's no reason for him to be in there. Don't often disagree with Dusty, but this is stupid.

Why? He's at 110 pitches and he's been pretty darned solid since about the 2nd inning. When he's gotten into trouble he's worked his way out of it. He's on a short leash now though I say. 2 poor pitches since the 2nd...just both to Pujols unfortunately.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:15 PM
11 pitch inning from Aaron for a 1-2-3 8th. 3-1 heading to the 9th.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:15 PM
And you have to give credit to Aaron. They guy is still out there pitching in the 8th inning. Not a bad outing for the guy at all IMO. Did more then his job in keeping us in this game. Pretty solid start IMO.

Except he gave in twice to the only hot bat on the entire squad. The rest of this lineup is in a ferocious slump, but he lets Pujols beat him.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:17 PM
Except he gave in twice to the only hot bat on the entire squad. The rest of this lineup is in a ferocious slump, but he lets Pujols beat him.

True, but only 2 bad pitches after the 2nd...that's a quality start IMO.

Rhodes up in the pen

Tony Cloninger
06-04-2009, 11:17 PM
I barely realized it was the 8th......bad pitching to Pujols more than anything ruined a good start for AH..
How many times in the last 20 years have you seen both pitchers throw CG in the same game.

It feels like 1968 to me....... Nelson Briles defeats George Culver.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:18 PM
Gomes PH'ing

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:19 PM
Another short pop out to Ludwick. Reds down to their last out.

CTA513
06-04-2009, 11:22 PM
Reds lose 3-1

95 pitch complete game for Carpenter

GAC
06-04-2009, 11:23 PM
Except he gave in twice to the only hot bat on the entire squad. The rest of this lineup is in a ferocious slump, but he lets Pujols beat him.

He didn't "let" Pujols do anything, other then what Pujols characteristically is known to do quite consistently.

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:23 PM
Ground out to short. Game over.

Split the series 2-2. Tough loss but the Reds acquitted themselves very nicely after the Brewers sweep. With Mil. losing we didn't lose any ground at least. Gotta find that silver lining.

CG's by both starters. 6 DP's turned in the game. Pretty darned good game...shame we're on the wrong end of it.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:23 PM
Aaron needs a pitching crib sheet in his back pocket.

Falls City Beer
06-04-2009, 11:23 PM
He didn't "let" Pujols do anything, other then what Pujols characteristically is known to do quite consistently.

Did you see the fat pitches he threw to him twice?

kaldaniels
06-04-2009, 11:24 PM
Reds lose 3-1

95 pitch complete game for Carpenter

Worth nothing but Harang gets a CG too right?

CTA513
06-04-2009, 11:24 PM
Worth nothing but Harang gets a CG too right?

Yeah he also got a complete game

_Sir_Charles_
06-04-2009, 11:26 PM
Did you see the fat pitches he threw to him twice?

Yep. 2 bad pitches. We lost and we deserved to lose. But I'd hardly say that it was a bad game for Harang. 110 pitch complete game only allowing 3 runs? He just got outpitched. I don't think many teams were going to do much against Carpenter tonight.

dsmith421
06-04-2009, 11:55 PM
No shame in splitting a road series against a team with two Hall of Famers.

fearofpopvol1
06-04-2009, 11:59 PM
He didn't "let" Pujols do anything, other then what Pujols characteristically is known to do quite consistently.

Gotta disagree here. He could've intentionally walked him...something that I think he should've done every at bat Pujols had...with .240 Ryan Ludwick standing in behind him.

Big Klu
06-05-2009, 12:00 AM
Three observations:

1) Harang battled, but was outdueled tonight by a better pitcher. It's rare in today's game that you see two CG's in the same game, however.

2) The defense turned 4 DP's tonight. So Harang was throwing a lot of ground balls. (However, he also had to allow some baserunners in order to have the opportunity to get the DP's.)

3) What was up with the postgame interview with Carpenter? :angry: I guess FSN Ohio has become FSN CardinalsFanBoys. Seriously, I don't want to see a postgame interview with an opposing player, talking about "Albert". I can understand if it was a national broadcast, but this is the Reds network!

westofyou
06-05-2009, 12:05 AM
3) What was up with the postgame interview with Carpenter? :angry: I guess FSN Ohio has become FSN CardinalsFanBoys. Seriously, I don't want to see a postgame interview with an opposing player, talking about "Albert". I can understand if it was a national broadcast, but this is the Reds network!

Post game with an opposing player?

Blasphemy... he better not get the gift for that appearance.

Big Klu
06-05-2009, 12:14 AM
Post game with an opposing player?

Blasphemy... he better not get the gift for that appearance.

I remember Nux sometimes interviewing opposing players for the "Star Of The Game", so I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. But the problem I had with it tonight was that they have never done it for anyone else. Why are they doing it now?

I didn't recognize the interviewer. I assumed he was an FSN St. Louis guy. It just seemed like a bunch of ass-kissing on our part, but maybe I'm overreacting.

westofyou
06-05-2009, 12:17 AM
The problem I had with it was that they have never done it for anyone else. Why are they doing it now?

I didn't recognize the interviewer. I assumed he was an FSN St. Louis guy. It just seemed like a bunch of ass-kissing on our part, but maybe I'm overreacting.

No, it's not overreaction, it's a load of wrong on a Red wagon with a bird on it not a guy with a big head.

Ron Madden
06-05-2009, 05:33 AM
Carpenter beat the Reds he pitched a hell of a game.

Pretty hard to win with just three hits, 2 singels by Dickerson and the Nix HR.

Razor Shines
06-05-2009, 09:28 AM
Carpenter beat the Reds he pitched a hell of a game.

Pretty hard to win with just three hits, 2 singels by Dickerson and the Nix HR.

Yeah, Carp looked nasty. The only thing I wish is that they'd have made him throw a few more pitches. He hadn't thrown more than 93 pitches in a game before last night. Tony wouldn't have let him go long.

But it still may be asking a little much. He was really, really good last night.

traderumor
06-05-2009, 10:23 AM
Yeah, Carp looked nasty. The only thing I wish is that they'd have made him throw a few more pitches. He hadn't thrown more than 93 pitches in a game before last night. Tony wouldn't have let him go long.

But it still may be asking a little much. He was really, really good last night.Unfortunately, he was just pumping quality, barely hittable strikes in there last night, so there wasn't an opportunity to work the count but on a few occasions. I honestly think he would have shut down any team in MLB last night, as he has since coming back from injury. We are just the latest victim.

westofyou
06-05-2009, 11:08 AM
Pujols has had two games all year (TWO) when he did not reach base — both, oddly enough, in Cincinnati.

cumberlandreds
06-05-2009, 11:14 AM
Did you see the fat pitches he threw to him twice?

I haven't read the game thread but why did they even pitch to Pujols? He's easily their most productive hitter and the NL's for that matter. IMO,he needs the Barry Bonds treatment. IIB's every time up,especially if there are runners on 1st and 2nd or just a runner at first.

cumberlandreds
06-05-2009, 11:17 AM
I remember Nux sometimes interviewing opposing players for the "Star Of The Game", so I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. But the problem I had with it tonight was that they have never done it for anyone else. Why are they doing it now?

I didn't recognize the interviewer. I assumed he was an FSN St. Louis guy. It just seemed like a bunch of ass-kissing on our part, but maybe I'm overreacting.

IIRC, Joe would always interview a player from the winning team. It was fun listening to him interview someone who could not speak English too well. :) I don't think its a big deal but normally they don't interview someone from the opposing team.

Ltlabner
06-05-2009, 01:31 PM
I dont mind interviewing the opposing team.

I am less tollerant of Reds announcers and internet forum members gushing like star-struck teenagers over the other team.

Carpenter pitched a stellar game (even if against an offensivley anemic team) and I think we all tip our collective caps to him in respect. Acting like a school girl who just got a class ring and a letterman jacket is a wholey different issue.

Regarding the future hall of famer behind the plate for the Cards....I'm working under the asumption that George was flat out stoned on some killer tripweed last night.

redsmetz
06-05-2009, 01:58 PM
I haven't read the game thread but why did they even pitch to Pujols? He's easily their most productive hitter and the NL's for that matter. IMO,he needs the Barry Bonds treatment. IIB's every time up,especially if there are runners on 1st and 2nd or just a runner at first.

I went to baseball-reference to look at Aaron v. Albert and there was Pujols right at the top of Harang's list. Of course, that means he's faced Pujols more than any other hitter (59 PA's).

Here's his line:

.296/.322/.556 16 hits, 5 doubles, 3 homers
3 K's and 3 walks, 10 RBI's

but then I looked at the breakdown and Pujols had his best time against Harang in his first four years against him (although 2004 was down, just 1 for 7). In the last three seasons, he's just batting .185 against Harang. Last night Albert just beat Aaron - without last night's numbers, he was just batting .130 since 2007.

_Sir_Charles_
06-05-2009, 02:10 PM
I actually like it when our pitchers go after the opposing hitters. I liked it when we challenged Berkman. I liked it when we challenged the guys in the Brewers lineup. And on the surface, I like it when we challenge Albert...but when the guys behind him are struggling as badly as they are...I disagree with it. I like the aggressive mentality, but someone's got to rein that in and look at the bigger picture. Aaron was struggling with his control early in the game and he's not had his best stuff recently. Giving Pujols the free pass and shutting down the rest of the team is the way to go there. Had Aaron been lights out and throwing his best stuff, I'd have no problem with him challenging ANY hitter regardless of that hitter's protection or lack of protection. That just wasn't the case yesterday. Walk him.

GAC
06-05-2009, 04:26 PM
Did you see the fat pitches he threw to him twice?

Yep. And they certainly weren't intentional. Believe me. Pitchers do miss their spots on occasion.

Big Klu
06-05-2009, 05:17 PM
I dont mind interviewing the opposing team.

I am less tollerant of Reds announcers and internet forum members gushing like star-struck teenagers over the other team.

Carpenter pitched a stellar game (even if against an offensivley anemic team) and I think we all tip our collective caps to him in respect. Acting like a school girl who just got a class ring and a letterman jacket is a wholey different issue.

Regarding the future hall of famer behind the plate for the Cards....I'm working under the asumption that George was flat out stoned on some killer tripweed last night.

That's exactly how I feel about it, but you stated it much better than I did.

Ron Madden
06-06-2009, 06:07 AM
If somehow Albert was a Red and Brandon was a Cardinal.....

Albert would be the best thing since Babe Ruth and Brandon would be a Hotdog who wears his cap wrong. ;)