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Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Is anybody else like me and more interested in seeing Maloney pitch rather than the Reds at bat?

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Is anybody else like me and more interested in seeing Maloney pitch rather than the Reds at bat?

Yep.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:29 PM
Dewmpster grounds out. Good start for the 5th.

jojo
06-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Is anybody else like me and more interested in seeing Maloney pitch rather than the Reds at bat?

Maloney is the bigger storyline for tonight.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Maloney working high and low back and forth and he gets strike two swinging on Soriano.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Got him. Strike out on the changeup.

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
High fastball, low changeup

strike 3

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
That is 4 Ks for Maloney as he gets Soriano on another changeup.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Dude, that change-up fooled the crap outta Soriano.

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Hanigan is brilliant man. He worked Soriano like a rented muel there, with help from Maloney of course.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
And Chris Welsh drops in a Tom Glavine reference. Hmm, where did I hear that? Oh that's right. Beat you to it Chris. Post #182! lol

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Dickerson gets to an easy fly. 3 down.

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:32 PM
Real nice inning from Maloney.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 09:32 PM
72 pitches through 5 for Maloney

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:32 PM
And Chris Welsh drops in a Tom Glavine reference. Hmm, where did I hear that? Oh that's right. Beat you to it Chris. Post #182! lol

I know what you're saying, but it's kinda funny to hear Tom Glavine and Jamie Moyer references about this kid.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:32 PM
You can say Maloney's fb isn't all that but he rarely has thrown it in the strike zone tonight. Almost always at the neck or eyes, then he comes back at the ankles next pitch with a curve or change.

membengal
06-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Gotta say, I am a lot more impressed with Maloney tonite than some of the skeptics on here. He's looked poised to me when he has runners on, is trusting his stuff, and has great arm action on the change.

5 IP: 4 hits 4 Ks 1 BB 1 ER 1 hit batter

Not seeing a lot I hate in that, especially since the Cubs have gone righty heavy against him.

Nice debut, frankly.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
You can say Maloney's fb isn't all that but he rarely has thrown it in the strike zone tonight. Almost always at the neck or eyes, then he comes back at the ankles next pitch with a curve or change.

Excellent observation. It's more a set-up pitch that has the Cubs baffled so far.

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
I gotta say any guy who is LH, throws strikes and has a good feel for keeping a guy off balance can play MLB. To what level who knows but as a MR he'd be solid I think at the very least.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
Tons of pitchers can get by with a 90 FB. They are literally everywhere in MLB.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 09:34 PM
I know what you're saying, but it's kinda funny to hear Tom Glavine and Jamie Moyer references about this kid.

It is. For me, it's about knowing how to pitch. It's about knowing where to throw the ball and being able to put it there. It's about changing eye levels and changing speeds. Maloney has been able to do that. Even without an overpowering fastball, I still believe he can be a very serviceable major league pitcher.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:35 PM
Gotta say, I am a lot more impressed with Maloney tonite than some of the skeptics on here. He's looked poised to me when he has runners on, is trusting his stuff, and has great arm action on the change.

5 IP: 4 hits 4 Ks 1 BB 1 ER 1 hit batter

Not seeing a lot I hate in that, especially since the Cubs have gone righty heavy against him.

Nice debut, frankly.

I'm impressed but he has been lucky, too. Of course, keep your head, keep making your pitches and you make a lot of your own luck. I love the way he works his pitches around the zone

jojo
06-06-2009, 09:36 PM
Tons of pitchers can get by with a 90 FB. They are literally everywhere in MLB.

Not a straight one.

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:36 PM
Dempster's strikezone is twice the size of Maloney's

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:37 PM
BP chases a ball lunging at a down and out splitter. Nasty pitch. 2 down.

jojo
06-06-2009, 09:38 PM
Three runs might be enough tonight.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:38 PM
Dempster fans the side as Ramon fans.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:39 PM
Not a straight one.

jojo, we'll have to agree to disagree I guess, but location of said fastball completely overshadows movement. This is especially true in Maloney's case when he uses it to set up his change so darn well.

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2009, 09:39 PM
I think Dempster has discovered Nix's hole in his swing. Down and in as long as you don't keep it there.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 09:40 PM
Not a straight one.

Next project for him if I'm the Reds: teach him a good 2-seam fastball. This will solve that problem.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 09:41 PM
I know I'm late to it, but Dickerson should absolutly be the regular CF now. I really can't see any reason, other then contract, that Willy should be playing over Chris.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 09:41 PM
Jim Day is both thirsty and hungry.


Just so everybody knows.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 09:41 PM
I know I'm late to it, but Dickerson should absolutly be the regular CF now. I really can't see any reason, other then contract, that Willy should be playing over Chris.

Ditto.

membengal
06-06-2009, 09:42 PM
Now is the part of the game where we have to look at Jim Day instead of baseball.

jojo
06-06-2009, 09:42 PM
jojo, we'll have to agree to disagree I guess, but location of said fastball completely overshadows movement. This is especially true in Maloney's case when he uses it to set up his change so damn well.

There's plenty of time to debate Maloney's stuff. We don't need to reach a consensus during his debut.

Right now I'm just hoping the Cubs are mesmerized.
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Everyone have a:beerme:

Put it on Raisor's tab....he's got a least $53M from the nobel prizes he's collected.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:42 PM
Jim Day is both thirsty and hungry.


Just so everybody knows.

They have LaRosa's. Jim'll be alright. :)

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Right now I'm just hoping the Cubs are mesmerized.

Now there's something we can agree upon.

God I hate Cubs fans.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Beautiful curve gets the strike 2 call on Derek Lee
High fastball 2-2
Lined foul to the right 2-2
Full count on an inside pitch, then a foul tip Hanigan can't handle. Still 3-2
And Lee shoots single into left just past Hairston

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:43 PM
I might get the bullpen up

membengal
06-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Apparently Jon Lester working on a no-hitter through six innings against Texas.

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:44 PM
Apparently Jon Lester working on a no-hitter through six innings against Texas.
Perfect game with 10 Ks.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:44 PM
4 th time leadoff man reaches. First time its a single.
Fox pops up to Bruce . 1 down

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:44 PM
Honest question: does Dick Pole always call the pitches/sequences?

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:46 PM
Ball 1-0. Huge swing and miss on change. 1-1
1-2 swings and misses curve down
6-4-3 DP!

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:46 PM
Rack em up.

Maloney has settled in nicely the last couple innings.

membengal
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Loving Matt Maloney's poise on the mound. Loving it.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Maloney's change is a plus pitch, and that's all there is to it.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Maloney in this game is reminiscant of Bobby Livingston's starts, where he'd bend but not break. I think Maloney's got more talent though.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Nice, nice debut for Maloney.

SMcGavin
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Maloney through 6 with one run. Not exactly smoke and mirrors either, 4 K vs 1 BB.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
86 pitches through 6 for Maloney

Red in Chicago
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
sure would like a few extra insurance runs here, just in case

membengal
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Maloney's change is a plus pitch, and that's all there is to it.

Yes. Yes it is. That changes things a bit in terms of what he might add to this staff.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Cubns announcers talking about how beautifully he is setting up hitters by using his fastball just out of reach to set up the curve and changeups down. Very impressed by his poise. 86 pitches 57 strikes.

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Bottom of the order for the Cubs in the 7th, I'm letting Maloney continue.

Mario-Rijo
06-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Perfect game with 10 Ks.

Sweet he's on my fantasy team. I have Him, Beckett, Hamels, Cueto, Kershaw, Wolf, Lidge, Soria and F. Francisco and i'm 9th out of ten teams.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:49 PM
ground out leads off the Reds 6th

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:50 PM
3-0 to Bruce
And he walks.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:51 PM
I'd stand there and make Dempster throw 3 pitches over the plate. And then I'd walk to first while twitching my hand for no good reason.

RedlegJake
06-06-2009, 09:52 PM
fly out. 2 out.

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:52 PM
Gonzalez just missed that.

fearofpopvol1
06-06-2009, 09:53 PM
I bet Dusty puts Maloney back out there for the 7th. I guess with the bottom of the order due up, it may be ok. I'd still have someone ready in the pen just in case.

SMcGavin
06-06-2009, 09:53 PM
I bet Dusty puts Maloney back out there for the 7th. I guess with the bottom of the order due up, it may be ok. I'd still have someone ready in the pen just in case.

86 pitches and he is rolling, why would Dusty even consider pulling him?

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:53 PM
I bet Dusty puts Maloney back out there for the 7th. I guess with the bottom of the order due up, it may be ok. I'd still have someone ready in the pen just in case.

At 86 pitches I don't see why not.

jojo
06-06-2009, 09:55 PM
Really, Dickerson should probably take all of Taveras' at-bats against righties away from him.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Really, Dickerson should probably take all of Taveras' at-bats against righties away from him.

Agreed. But then again we've all said this since March.

fearofpopvol1
06-06-2009, 09:58 PM
86 pitches and he is rolling, why would Dusty even consider pulling him?

Confidence. If he were to give up 2 runs or something, he's going to go out not feeling as good about himself.

As I said, not a bad idea to put him out there, but I'd have the pen warming (which I know Dusty doesn't).

And as you see...3-2 now.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 09:58 PM
I hate the Cubs fans in Cincy.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 09:58 PM
Michael Young just broke up Lester's perfect game with a double with 1 out in the 7th.

reds44
06-06-2009, 09:58 PM
Well, when Maloney gives them up he makes them count.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 09:59 PM
Darn, off the foul pole. 3 feet lefter and that's a loud strike.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:00 PM
Good debut by Maloney: 6IP, 6H, 2ER, 1BB, 4K.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:00 PM
Nice debut for the kid. And good work from Dusty for being prepared to go get him there.

SMcGavin
06-06-2009, 10:01 PM
Well, that sucked. Nonetheless, very good debut from Maloney. Let's hope the bullpen can hang on and get him a win.

SMcGavin
06-06-2009, 10:02 PM
Herrera getting work in a pretty important spot here. I like it.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:03 PM
It may work because Herrera's so nasty with his screwball, but I might want, in the future, to come in with a hard-throwing righty after Maloney as opposed to Herrera who is another change of pace lefty.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:03 PM
Nice debut for the kid. And good work from Dusty for being prepared to go get him there.

Word. For all the crap Dusty got for Prior and Wood, he's done a very good job handling this pitching staff in Cincy - which is arguably the most important job a manager has.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:04 PM
Scales grounds out to short and Fontenot grounds out to 3rd and Bradley grounds out to 2nd. Good job by Herrera

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:04 PM
That was about as easy of an inning as you'll see for DRH.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:04 PM
FTR, I love me some Reds bullpen.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:04 PM
I do think Dusty has managed his young arms, by and large, very deftly since he got to Cincy.

I love watching DRH pitch. I just do.

Red in Chicago
06-06-2009, 10:04 PM
DH gets the job done very efficiently

SMcGavin
06-06-2009, 10:04 PM
1-2-3 for Herrera, three soft ground balls.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:06 PM
Heilman in to pitch. Owings is pinch hitting

fearofpopvol1
06-06-2009, 10:07 PM
I don't think anyone's upset over Maloney's debut. He did a fine job and has given the Reds a chance to win tonight.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:08 PM
Owings flies out to center. 1 out.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:09 PM
I don't think anyone's upset over Maloney's debut. He did a fine job and has given the Reds a chance to win tonight.

Yup. Almost anti-Homer if you will. I think just about any MiLer would take that debut.

CrackerJack
06-06-2009, 10:10 PM
I don't think anyone's upset over Maloney's debut. He did a fine job and has given the Reds a chance to win tonight.

And with this lineup right now, giving up no more than 2 runs seems to be required to win. Tall order for a AA kid making his debut against a good team.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:10 PM
Hairston out on a soft liner to 2nd. 2 outs.

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:10 PM
I don't think anyone's upset over Maloney's debut. He did a fine job and has given the Reds a chance to win tonight.

It was said in the Maloney thread that MM probably gave the Reds the best chance to win versus their other options and he's given the Reds a chance to win.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:12 PM
Reds gon have to make 3 stand up.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:13 PM
Dickerson strikes out swinging. 3-2 Reds after 7.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:15 PM
Dickerson's been great in CF with the glove, but playing every day, his bat's a little more vanilla than a lot of folks were claiming. Sure, it's been better than Taveras, but they're probably a lot closer to different-handed versions of the same hitter.

I like CD as a part-timer better.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:15 PM
Don't let Soriano or Lee hurt you.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:15 PM
Weathers in to face the top of the lineup

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:16 PM
Reds gon have to make 3 stand up.

This one will probably go to extras. Chicago has the momentum.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:16 PM
Dickerson's been great in CF with the glove, but playing every day, his bat's a little more vanilla than a lot of folks were claiming. Sure, it's been better than Taveras, but they're probably a lot closer to different-handed versions of the same hitter.

I like CD as a part-timer better.
I expected a bit more power, but his BA/OB is right around where I would have expected.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 10:16 PM
I keep forgetting we still have Stormy.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:17 PM
Soriano strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:17 PM
Holy crap Soriano. What in the world were u swinging at?

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:18 PM
Theriot singles to left.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Got a bad feeling vis. Weathers v. Lee.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Nervous time here. Runner on, and Lee up. And Lee's been hot this week.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Lee GIDP. Calling it.

Red in Chicago
06-06-2009, 10:19 PM
really need the dp here

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:20 PM
Dickerson's been great in CF with the glove, but playing every day, his bat's a little more vanilla than a lot of folks were claiming. Sure, it's been better than Taveras, but they're probably a lot closer to different-handed versions of the same hitter.

I like CD as a part-timer better.

Ya.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Weathers forecast calls for pain.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Lee lines a single to left. 1st and 3rd.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:21 PM
There was no way 3 was going to stand up.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Lee GIDP. Calling it.

... or not.

C'mon Weathers. You're better than that.

SMcGavin
06-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Uh oh.

Tony Cloninger
06-06-2009, 10:22 PM
I thought Weathers owned Lee?

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:22 PM
Weathers keeps falling behind guys.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:22 PM
Weathers hasn't had a full-scale meltdown this season. Probably looking at one tonight. He's really not fooling them.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Dickerson is ungodly.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Dickerson's been great in CF with the glove, but playing every day, his bat's a little more vanilla than a lot of folks were claiming. Sure, it's been better than Taveras, but they're probably a lot closer to different-handed versions of the same hitter.

I like CD as a part-timer better.

I think most people that were on the Dickerson bandwagon vs Willy were predicting a 750ish OPS, which is just about where he's at now.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Ya.

Willy:

.318 / .328 / .646 OPS

Dickerson

.370 / .360 / .730 OPS


And I would argue, thus far, Dickerson has been superb in center whereas Willy has been extremely inconsistent. As I say that, he just made another amazing play in center.

I'm not seeing much of the same player(s).

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Tie game as Dickerson makes another great catch on a sac fly. 3-3.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Dickerson catches everything.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:23 PM
Nice save of the inning from Dickerson, but I sure do hate that Maloney doesn't get the win.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:24 PM
sweet fancy moses. At first I thought that was an Edmonds-esque flop catch on that ball, but on the replay he had to dive or else that would have been a double.

Blitz Dorsey
06-06-2009, 10:24 PM
Weathers' stuff is pedestrian at best. Time to use Masset as a set-up man (along with Rhodes) and leave Stormy for middle relief IMO.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:24 PM
I think most people that were on the Dickerson bandwagon vs Willy were predicting a 750ish OPS, which is just about where he's at now.

.723, but who's counting. But like I said, we're *just* getting a taste of the guy every day. So we'll see. He's shown Taveras-esque pop.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:24 PM
I think most people that were on the Dickerson bandwagon vs Willy were predicting a 750ish OPS, which is just about where he's at now.

Yes. What Raisor said.

FCB, don't re-write history. Those of us on the Dickerson to CF bandwagon back in the spring figured he would be a good bet for a .750 - .775 OPS and a really good defensive glove. And that he would be an asset to the team at those levels.

I still think that is correct.

Playadlc
06-06-2009, 10:24 PM
He didn't leave early. I went back and slow motioned it. I thought he did at first as well.

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:25 PM
I'll take the out. Weathers....I wish someone else would take him perferrably the Cubs, Brewers or Cardinals.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:25 PM
Johnson fouls out to 1st. 3-3 mid 8th.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:25 PM
Yes. What Raisor said.

FCB, don't re-write history. Those of us on the Dickerson to CF bandwagon back in the spring figured he would be a good bet for a .750 - .775 OPS and a really good defensive glove. And that he would be an asset to the team at those levels.

I still think that is correct.

I like Dickerson. But I especially like him as a part-timer.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:26 PM
Yes. What Raisor said.

FCB, don't re-write history. Those of us on the Dickerson to CF bandwagon back in the spring figured he would be a good bet for a .750 - .775 OPS and a really good defensive glove. And that he would be an asset to the team at those levels.

I still think that is correct.
League average OPS in CF is .750. If Dickerson is near that with his defense nobody will complain.

Blitz Dorsey
06-06-2009, 10:26 PM
Either way, high school kids would have a good at-bat off Weathers. He does not have good stuff.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:26 PM
I like Dickerson. But I especially like him as a part-timer.
Nobody wants him as a full time player. Just in CF vs. RHP

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:26 PM
Weathers' stuff is pedestrian at best. Time to use Masset as a set-up man (along with Rhodes) and leave Stormy for middle relief IMO.

I would be on board with Masset moving to 8th inning. Yes. Very much so. Please make this so.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:27 PM
Nobody wants him as a full time player.

Well that's certainly not true. But probably moot.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:27 PM
League average OPS in CF is .750. If Dickerson is near that with his defense nobody will complain.

At least, they shouldn't.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:27 PM
.723, but who's counting. But like I said, we're *just* getting a taste of the guy every day. So we'll see. He's shown Taveras-esque pop.

to be fair, I said "ish".

The whole argument was that Dickerson could give the Reds Willy type numbers without the need of a two year contract.

So far so good

Red in Chicago
06-06-2009, 10:28 PM
reds need to be patient against marmol

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Either way, high school kids would have a good at-bat off Weathers. He does not have good stuff.

And yet without any stuff he almost always gets the job done. Year after year. Funny how that works.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Marmol in to pitch

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Well that's certainly not true. But probably moot.
Who has ever called for Dickerson to play vs. LHP?

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:29 PM
Willy:

.318 / .328 / .646 OPS

Dickerson

.370 / .360 / .730 OPS


And I would argue, thus far, Dickerson has been superb in center whereas Willy has been extremely inconsistent. As I say that, he just made another amazing play in center.

I'm not seeing much of the same player(s).

I'm not sure I understand your point but I'll say this, giving Dickerson a ton of at bats against lefties isn't a great plan.

It would hurt his value considerably.

Playadlc
06-06-2009, 10:29 PM
Either way, high school kids would have a good at-bat off Weathers. He does not have good stuff.

Yet every year he post ERA's in the low 3's (2.41 this year).

I agree that he doesn't have good stuff, but man, the guy gets people out.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 10:29 PM
It would really hurt to lose this one. Hopefully we can get something going against Marmol like last night.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:31 PM
Nobody wants him as a full time player. Just in CF vs. RHP

I'd take him as a full time player if it keeps Willy's 650 vs LHP out of the batter's box.

but anyway...

team needs to get some runs. Alonso Alonso Alonso.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 10:31 PM
I'm not sure I understand your point but I'll say this, giving Dickerson a ton of at bats against lefties isn't a great plan.

It would hurt his value considerably.

I think my point was pretty obvious. I was responding to the comment that Willy and Dickerson were basically the same player. There's an 80 point difference in OPS. I'd say that's not exactly the same player.

Never said anything about having him play against left-handers.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:31 PM
Marmol's got crazy good stuff, but when it moves that much it's tough to locate.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:31 PM
Phillips strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Blitz Dorsey
06-06-2009, 10:31 PM
Phillips swings at ball four.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:33 PM
I'd take him as a full time player if it keeps Willy's 650 vs LHP out of the batter's box.

but anyway...

team needs to get some runs. Alonso Alonso Alonso.
This may make absolutely no sense, but I'd rather have Willy sucking than Dickerson.

I'd rather have Stubbs in CF vs. LHP, though.

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:33 PM
I think my point was pretty obvious. I was responding to the comment that Willy and Dickerson were basically the same player. There's an 80 point difference in OPS. I'd say that's not exactly the same player.

Never said anything about having him play against left-handers.

I read FCB's comment to mean Dickerson isn't an everyday player. Against lefties, CD really isn't much different than Taveras (and might be worse over time...gasp).

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:33 PM
Nix fouls out to 3rd. 2 outs.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:33 PM
Nix has been god awful this series.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Nix had no business swinging at that pitch. Just 'cuz it's a 3-1 fastball doesn't mean you have to swing.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Nix had no business swinging at that pitch. Just 'cuz it's a 3-1 fastball doesn't mean you have to swing.
He's not a very good hitter, they will do this.

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 10:35 PM
Nix has been god awful this series.
N/M.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:35 PM
Hernandez pops out to 2nd. 3-3 after 8.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:36 PM
He hit a homerun last night, which is more than anyone else can say for yesterday.
He also left the game tying run on base with 1 out in the 8th.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:36 PM
He's not a very good hitter, they will do this.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. He's actually been pretty good this season.

Red in Chicago
06-06-2009, 10:36 PM
with arroyo pitching a day game tomorrow, the reds better find a way to win tonight.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:36 PM
This may make absolutely no sense, but I'd rather have Willy sucking than Dickerson.

.

Small sample size and everything, but CDick has a .385 career OBP vs LHP in 40 PA's.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:36 PM
The Reds offense is offensive. It offends.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
I read FCB's comment to mean Dickerson isn't an everyday player. Against lefties, CD really isn't much different than Taveras (and might be worse over time...gasp).

That's a whole different story, but unlike Taveras (who is OPS'ing .500 against his opposite hand), Dickerson is actually hitting right-handers (.756 OPS).

Right now, though I'm not sure Dickerson is cut out to start against left-handers, he's actually been relatively effective against righties.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
The Reds offense is offensive. It offends.

You forgot offensively. ;)

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
You can see the blasted confidence in these guys. They're really playing so tentatively all around. Aside from Dickerson's CF.

Not exactly expecting a win tonight.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:38 PM
The Reds offense is offensive. It offends.

I'm offended

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:39 PM
Cordero in for the 9th

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:40 PM
Soto fouls out to 1st. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:41 PM
Scales grounds out to 1st on the first pitch. 2 outs.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:41 PM
While too many (IMO) bemoan Cordero's contract, he's a legitimate asset to have in the bullpen. Love spending money on good players.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:41 PM
Walt HAS to get a bat someplace.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:41 PM
On a positive note, the Cards' pitching is in the midst of the "correction" I predicted for it. Back to back double digit losses against Colorado.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:42 PM
Tonight's game is a good example of why some folks fuss over the save statistic. The inning the Reds needed Cordero was the 8th, against the top of the Chicago line-up, with the club holding to the one run lead.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 10:42 PM
Walt HAS to get a bat someplace.



Yo Adriaaaaaaan!

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:43 PM
By the way, I think this week is my 8th anniversery of joining RZ.

good grief.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Fontenot strikes out swinging. 3-3 mid 9th.

Bruce, Gonzalez and Hanigan due up

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:44 PM
Bruce walk-off upcoming. Just feels right.

Red in Chicago
06-06-2009, 10:44 PM
By the way, I think this week is my 8th anniversery of joining RZ.

good grief.

what were you doing the first year;)

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:44 PM
Bruce is going to walk it off

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:44 PM
Walt HAS to get a bat someplace.

True, but we have a couple big ones on the DL.

One is a Pujols bat this season.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:45 PM
Kirk from Gilmore Girls being in these kgb commercials really weirds me out.

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:45 PM
The Cubs bullpen has some baggage during the early season. The Reds offense is definitely in this one.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:45 PM
Atlanta's offense not covering itself in glory either. Getting shut out for a second consecutive night against Milwaukee.

By the way, who in the world would "friend" FSN on facebook?

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:46 PM
Guzman in to pitch

Brutus
06-06-2009, 10:46 PM
Here comes the ball in the dirt

Playadlc
06-06-2009, 10:46 PM
Bruce just swings at everything.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:46 PM
Bruce is a big fan of swiniging

BCubb2003
06-06-2009, 10:47 PM
By the way, I think this week is my 8th anniversery of joining RZ.

good grief.

A veteran presence, but no multi-year contracts.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 10:47 PM
Surprising. Guzman has been consistently up in the zone against Bruce until that last pitch

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:47 PM
Atlanta's offense not covering itself in glory either. Getting shut out for a second consecutive night against Milwaukee.

By the way, who in the world would "friend" FSN on facebook?

I've friended two radio shows here in Atlanta for some reason.

Jay looks bigger then he did, by the way.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:49 PM
A veteran presence, but no multi-year contracts.

I signed a life time contract, but Boss and GIK tried to off me.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:49 PM
Bruce flies out to center. 1 out.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:49 PM
Thought that was gone...

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:49 PM
I've friended two radio shows here in Atlanta for some reason.

Jay looks bigger then he did, by the way.

Do they friend you in return?

If you friend FSN, can you get them to fix their camera angles on fly balls?

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:49 PM
2 outs away from free baseball

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:50 PM
Thought that was gone...

I did too. Stood up and was about proclaim membengal the new VR.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:50 PM
Do they friend you in return?



most importantly, Dagmar Midcap and Felicia Day friended me.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:51 PM
I did too. Stood up and was about proclaim membengal the new VR.
I jumped off the couch as well.

Lovely 2-1 swing from Alex.

Brenly talking about BP's comments.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:51 PM
Gonzalez flies out to the track in right.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 10:52 PM
fudgeadome!

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:52 PM
Really getting sick of hearing cheers when the Reds make outs.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:52 PM
I've counted 9-10 flyouts from Bruce that would have been gone on a night where the temperature was in the 80s.

Edit: Not just tonight of course, but during his slump.

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
I did too. Stood up and was about proclaim membengal the new VR.

In the midst of a slump, he still saw 8 pitches and got good wood on a pitch in the bottom of the 9th.

No one should be worried about Bruce.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
I did too. Stood up and was about proclaim membengal the new VR.

I flew too close to the sun...we all got burned.

I need to leave that to the pros. Like VR.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
Hanigan singles to center. Gomes pinch hitting

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
And now Brenly is ripping on on Beltran.

KoryMac5
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
Hanigan has such a nice approach at the plate.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:53 PM
Be nice if the Reds had a pinch runner right about now.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:54 PM
I've counted 9-10 flyouts from Bruce that would have been gone on a night where the temperature was in the 80s.

Edit: Not just tonight of course, but during his slump.

Yep, it gets a little frustrating to me as a huge Bruce fan. I can only imagine what he's thinking.

Playadlc
06-06-2009, 10:54 PM
That is not a strike.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:55 PM
Pick out a good one Johnny.

jojo
06-06-2009, 10:56 PM
Reds fans shouting down the Cubs fans!!!!!

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:56 PM
That was not a good one.

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:56 PM
Nor was that.

God this offense sucks.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:57 PM
Gomes strikes out swinging. On to the 10th.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:57 PM
Guzman throws hard but, dammit Gomes, no reason to swing when it's 6 inches off the plate.

membengal
06-06-2009, 10:57 PM
Aargh.

Well, I have decided I am the problem.

Taking my youngest to a late Land of the Lost.

Let the winning commence in my absence.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:57 PM
Consolation: Guzman and Marmol represent, by far, the best of the Cubs' pen.

Red in Chicago
06-06-2009, 10:57 PM
looks like my evening run just took a detour..sigh

Tony Cloninger
06-06-2009, 10:57 PM
This ump has a great strike zone for the Cubs.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-06-2009, 10:57 PM
And another great pitching effort down the tubes. Hey Walt, are you even alive?

reds44
06-06-2009, 10:58 PM
That pitch started as a borderline strike, and only continued to go further outside.

Just bad hitting.

Brutus
06-06-2009, 10:58 PM
Nor was that.

God this offense sucks.

That's a case where he guessed wrong on the 3-1 pitch, he's just got to shorten the swing and try to go to right on the full cout pitch. I didn't think he was gonna get that fastball, but he was trying to whack it out of the park.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:58 PM
Underimpressed with Gomes thus far.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 10:59 PM
Masset in for the 10th.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 10:59 PM
And another great pitching effort down the tubes. Hey Walt, are you even alive?

I wouldn't describe it as "great". But yeah, they need a shot in the arm. The team as a whole really seems like they're in the doldrums.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 10:59 PM
That's a case where he guessed wrong on the 3-1 pitch, he's just got to shorten the swing and try to go to right on the full cout pitch. I didn't think he was gonna get that fastball, but he was trying to whack it out of the park.

Yep. No need to be a hero. Be part of a win instead.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 11:00 PM
Underimpressed with Gomes thus far.

Well, as anybody whose worth their Reds' salt would tell you, he needs to face lefties and lefties only.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 11:00 PM
Aargh.

Well, I have decided I am the problem.

Taking my youngest to a late Land of the Lost.

.

Just be forewarned, it's not really a kid friendly film.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 11:01 PM
Fukodome flies out to center.1 out.

reds44
06-06-2009, 11:03 PM
This strikezone is awful.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 11:03 PM
4 pitch walk to Soriano

Screwball
06-06-2009, 11:03 PM
Masset, for some reason, is scared of Soriano. Not one of those pitches was close to the plate.

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 11:03 PM
Walking Soriano is not solid strategy.

jojo
06-06-2009, 11:04 PM
Welsh just referred to a sacrifice as a wasted out.

reds44
06-06-2009, 11:04 PM
Walking Soriano is not solid strategy.
It's not?

reds44
06-06-2009, 11:04 PM
Goord Lord this strikezone

Screwball
06-06-2009, 11:05 PM
It's not?

:D

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 11:05 PM
It's not?

The obvious needs its day in the sun too.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 11:06 PM
Masset has to get Theriot. Otherwise we can count on runs.

reds44
06-06-2009, 11:07 PM
I love teams running into outs for us.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 11:07 PM
Theriot lines into an unassisted DP at first. 3-3 mid 10th.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 11:07 PM
Hit 'em where they are!

reds44
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Dear Reds,

Score some runs.

kthxbai

Tom Servo
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Da Bad Guy just caught The Riot in his patented Razor's Edge. Inning over. :cool:

Falls City Beer
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Nice.

Reds Fanatic
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Top of the order due up. Hairston, Dickerson and Phillips

KoryMac5
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Can't say enough about Ramon's play at first base. His addition has really kept the Reds in contention.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
While we're at commercial, let me just say that I am really hungry for chinese food.

Thanks.

Screwball
06-06-2009, 11:09 PM
FCB, I'm curious, what do you think of the Cubs' starting rotation?

Screwball
06-06-2009, 11:10 PM
Can't say enough about Ramon's play at first base. His addition has really kept the Reds in contention.

I don't think this can be stated enough. He's been incredibly valuable.

I'd deal 6 Freels and fodder for him.

Raisor
06-06-2009, 11:10 PM
Can't say enough about Ramon's play at first base. His addition has really kept the Reds in contention.

Ramon might just be the new hatteberg. He might be able to extend his career over there for awhile.