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AmarilloRed
06-08-2009, 05:02 PM
Today's starters:

AAA-Justin Lehr-7:05 ET
AA-Jordan Smith-7:05 ET
High-A-Travis Webb-7:00 ET
A-Matt Fairel-7:05 ET

GOYA
06-08-2009, 07:23 PM
Lehr gives up a run in the first.

The IPigs' pitcher is lefty sidearm guy. I wonder how Dorn will do with that?

GOYA
06-08-2009, 07:27 PM
Sutton single, Barker HR.

Bats up 2-1

Sutton hitting .461 since his return.

The Bats are tied for the league lead in HRs.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 07:33 PM
Jordan Smith gives up two in the first and the Mudcats get one back as Frazier knocks in Heisey.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 07:34 PM
Daryl Thompson is throwing on flat ground and has no pain.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 07:39 PM
Lehr looks good in a 1-2-3 2nd inning.

2 IP
2 H
1 ER
1 BB
3 K

Pitches-strikes: Lehr 42-26 - 62%

OnBaseMachine
06-08-2009, 07:43 PM
Heisey is 1-for-1 with a walk.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 08:13 PM
Bankston double, Griffin RBI single.

3-1 Bats

Columbus is losing and the Bats might retake the IL West lead with a win.

AmarilloRed
06-08-2009, 08:14 PM
The start of the Dragons game has been delayed by rain.

Sarasota leads 2-1 after 3 1/2, Webb has only given up 1 hit in 3 innings, a solo HR.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 08:15 PM
Dorn doubles in Griffin. Danny has an 8 game hitting streak.

He's hitting .448 over that streak.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 08:25 PM
Hopper gets his first error of the year on an easy ball rolling to him.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 08:31 PM
4-1 Bats


Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Lehr 5.0 4 1 1 1 5 0 3.81

Pitches-strikes: Lehr 84-51 - 61%

GOYA
06-08-2009, 08:34 PM
Hopper walk, stolen base, and Stubbs knock him in on a flair single. Stubbs out at second.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 08:39 PM
Bankston with his 2nd double off the wall drives in Sutton.

6-1 Bats.

Carolina takes the lead 3-2

Yonder single, Francisco HR.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 08:54 PM
Lehr and Jordan Smith both struggling at the same time.


Bats up 6-4

Mudcats down 5-3 - Manager Bell and Heisey ejected from the field in the bottom of the 6th

Lehr is done for the night - Manuel on

Mario-Rijo
06-08-2009, 08:56 PM
Lehr and Jordan Smith both struggling at the same time.


Bats up 6-4

Mudcats down 5-3 - Heisey ejected from the field in the bottom of the 6th

Lehr is done for the night - Manuel on

By the 1st base ump and David Bell ejected by the HP UMP.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:03 PM
Darnell McD with a pinch hit triple

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:06 PM
Every Bats position player has a hit except for .198 hitting Castillo.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:08 PM
Sarasota up 3-1 over Tampa after 6 innings

Mesoraco 1 for 2 with a walk.

Phipps 3 for 4

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:11 PM
The Dayton game has been postponed.

AmarilloRed
06-08-2009, 09:11 PM
Dragons game was postponed by rain

Travis Webb's line is final:5 1/3 IP, 4 hits, 1 run, 1 ER, 5 BB, 5 K

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:19 PM
Pettyjohn stinks the joint up and is pulled with the bases loaded and one out in the 7th.

Viola on

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:25 PM
Viola gets two pop ups and three little piggies walk back to the dugout.

6-4 Bats at the stretch.

Carolina is delayed because of "wet grounds". Sprinklers went off?

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:31 PM
Sutton with a triple.

2 for 3 with a walk.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:32 PM
Barker knocks him in.

7-4 Bats

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:35 PM
Bankston single

3 for 4 with two doubles

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:43 PM
7-5 Bats on a Pig triple and groundout.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:47 PM
Viola with 2 Ks to end the top of the 8th.

AmarilloRed
06-08-2009, 09:51 PM
4-1 in Sarasota after 8, Phipps 3-4 with 2 RBI.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:52 PM
Now Castillo gets a single so all of the position players have hits.

Richar reaches on a 2-base error.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 09:54 PM
Hopper sac fly

8-5 Bats

AmarilloRed
06-08-2009, 10:00 PM
The game has resumed in Carolina, they are down 6-3 after 7 innings.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 10:04 PM
Sarasota won 4-1

Roenicke on for the save opportunity in Louisville.

AmarilloRed
06-08-2009, 10:09 PM
Kroksi just doubled Cozart home, so Carolina is down 6-4 now.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 10:13 PM
Bats win and go 1 game over .500.

That's 3 in a row and 7 of their last 8

Columbus lost 5-4 and the Bats take the lead in the IL West by .5 game

AmarilloRed
06-08-2009, 10:30 PM
It's now a final in Carolina; they lose 6-4.

GOYA
06-08-2009, 10:43 PM
Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Hopper RF 3 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 .285
Stubbs CF 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 .291
Sutton SS 4 3 2 0 1 0 0 1 0 .279
Barker 1B 4 1 2 0 0 1 3 0 0 .236
Bankston 3B 4 1 3 2 0 0 1 0 0 .234
Griffin 2B-3B 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 .233
Dorn LF 4 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 .233
Castillo, W C 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .206
Lehr P 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000
McDonald PH 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 .250
Richar PH-2B 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Lehr (W, 7-2) 5.2 8 4 4 1 5 0 4.22
Manuel (H, 7) 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.16
Pettyjohn (H, 2) 0.1 1 0 0 2 1 0 4.98
Viola (H, 7) 1.2 1 1 1 0 2 0 3.80
Roenicke (S, 9) 1.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 3.32

PuffyPig
06-08-2009, 10:50 PM
Anyone else think that Drew Sutton should come up and replace Adam Rosales?

JaxRed
06-08-2009, 11:12 PM
I'll have report on Carolina tomorrow.... it was a wild one. need sleep

OnBaseMachine
06-08-2009, 11:32 PM
The DSL Reds lost 9-5.

J. Arias: 2-for-4 walk
Baez: 2-for-3 two walks
Sanchez: 2-for-4 double, 3 RBI
B. Arias: 2-for-5

Lora: 3.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K

Luis Lora is 19 year old with a projectible 6-foot-4, 193 pound body. He could be worth keeping an eye on.

RED VAN HOT
06-08-2009, 11:35 PM
I'll have report on Carolina tomorrow.... it was a wild one. need sleep

From the summary, the ejections of Heisey and Bell seemed to follow a play in which runners scored from 2nd and 3rd on a sac fly to center. IIRC, this is Heisey's second ejection in less than a month....gotta love that competitiveness.

Also, with Carlos Fisher in the majors, Enerio del Rosario is becoming my favorite future middle reliever. Tonight he got six outs, five ground outs and a K. His GO/AO ratio is over 3.5.

Blitz Dorsey
06-08-2009, 11:58 PM
wohhhhh... the devout Christian Chris Heisey who never drinks, smokes or curses is getting thrown out of games? Was not expecting to hear that. But I like it!

Why is he getting thrown out? Too many gosh-darnits? ;-)

dougdirt
06-09-2009, 09:59 AM
wohhhhh... the devout Christian Chris Heisey who never drinks, smokes or curses is getting thrown out of games? Was not expecting to hear that. But I like it!

Why is he getting thrown out? Too many gosh-darnits? ;-)

Apparently is was raining pretty good and he was arguing that the game should be delayed. Earlier in the game there was a gathering of the two teams on the field and the umps tried to keep things calm and tossed Heisey when he started arguing.

Orenda
06-09-2009, 11:11 AM
wohhhhh... the devout Christian Chris Heisey who never drinks, smokes or curses is getting thrown out of games? Was not expecting to hear that. But I like it!

Why is he getting thrown out? Too many gosh-darnits? ;-)

He probably got tossed by some AAAA low ceiling minor league umpire.

camisadelgolf
06-09-2009, 12:17 PM
When Chris Heisey gets tossed, it's competitiveness. When Milton Bradley gets tossed, it's a bad attitude.

GIDP
06-09-2009, 12:25 PM
When Chris Heisey gets tossed, it's competitiveness. When Milton Bradley gets tossed, it's a bad attitude.

i see where you are going with this

camisadelgolf
06-09-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm basically saying Chris Heisey is getting the Denorfia treatment (built up to be some sort of demigod when he's actually an average Major Leaguer at best). I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse, but I think a lot of people are wearing big, rose-colored glasses when it comes to Heisey. He deserves all the credit he gets for his numbers, but I still don't see much to indicate he will ever be anything near an All-Star.

And based on what I've read, he seems like a great guy with excellent character, but I don't think it's fair to judge him so quickly, even if it's for the positive. I'll concede that getting ejected can occasionally be a positive for the team, but if a person has a history of it, he's probably costing his team, and I don't think Heisey should be lauded for it just based on who he appears to be. And for all we know, Heisey's reasons for arguing could be just as selfish as Bradley's. That's something we may never know, but I don't think it's fair to presume Heisey's motivations are selfless just because of the book he claims to read and follow.

mace
06-09-2009, 12:56 PM
Also, with Carlos Fisher in the majors, Enerio del Rosario is becoming my favorite future middle reliever. Tonight he got six outs, five ground outs and a K. His GO/AO ratio is over 3.5.

6-foot-2, 165 pounds. whew.

GIDP
06-09-2009, 01:00 PM
I think of it this way, you play 130-162 games a year. I expect you to get thrown out at some point.

membengal
06-09-2009, 01:20 PM
I'm basically saying Chris Heisey is getting the Denorfia treatment (built up to be some sort of demigod when he's actually an average Major Leaguer at best). I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse, but I think a lot of people are wearing big, rose-colored glasses when it comes to Heisey. He deserves all the credit he gets for his numbers, but I still don't see much to indicate he will ever be anything near an All-Star.

And based on what I've read, he seems like a great guy with excellent character, but I don't think it's fair to judge him so quickly, even if it's for the positive. I'll concede that getting ejected can occasionally be a positive for the team, but if a person has a history of it, he's probably costing his team, and I don't think Heisey should be lauded for it just based on who he appears to be. And for all we know, Heisey's reasons for arguing could be just as selfish as Bradley's. That's something we may never know, but I don't think it's fair to presume Heisey's motivations are selfless just because of the book he claims to read and follow.

1. When did Denorfia ever put up numbers like Heisey is currently putting up?

2. Who on this board has called Heisey a future All-Star? Seriously, who?

GIDP
06-09-2009, 01:23 PM
Heisey is a future All-Star

Mario-Rijo
06-09-2009, 01:29 PM
I'm basically saying Chris Heisey is getting the Denorfia treatment (built up to be some sort of demigod when he's actually an average Major Leaguer at best). I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse, but I think a lot of people are wearing big, rose-colored glasses when it comes to Heisey. He deserves all the credit he gets for his numbers, but I still don't see much to indicate he will ever be anything near an All-Star.

And based on what I've read, he seems like a great guy with excellent character, but I don't think it's fair to judge him so quickly, even if it's for the positive. I'll concede that getting ejected can occasionally be a positive for the team, but if a person has a history of it, he's probably costing his team, and I don't think Heisey should be lauded for it just based on who he appears to be. And for all we know, Heisey's reasons for arguing could be just as selfish as Bradley's. That's something we may never know, but I don't think it's fair to presume Heisey's motivations are selfless just because of the book he claims to read and follow.

Bit of a stretch isn't it, Heisey to Milton Bradley? I mean when Heisey catches up to him in ejections or is at least in the neighborhood might be a better time to compare the 2.

membengal
06-09-2009, 01:30 PM
There's one. So at least it is not a complete strawman. I like Heisey and his potential. I think to place him in the same sentence with Denorfia is unwarranted based on production and age.

But I don't think there are any guarantees with him, no more than with any prospect.

Mario-Rijo
06-09-2009, 01:30 PM
Heisey is a future All-Star

:D

dougdirt
06-09-2009, 01:39 PM
1. When did Denorfia ever put up numbers like Heisey is currently putting up?

When Denorfia was in his age 24 season he hit .317/.391/.526 in AA/AAA. While its not completely at the same level of what Heisey is doing, he did some of his damage in AAA as well (also had time in Cincinnati with a .765 OPS late in the year). Heisey hasn't done that yet.

JaxRed
06-09-2009, 01:52 PM
OK, so here's what went down at last night's game. Carolina blew into town an offensive juggernaut but hadn't been scoring runs. They took 1-0 lead in top of first when Frazier grounds single up the middle.

Bottom of first: Jordan Smith is pitching. First time I saw him since he got all the pub as hot prospect. He has that "everything is slow motion" way about him. He walks to the mound slowly, he's slow between pitches etc. In the first, two grounders thru the right side, coupled with a walk and a slicing liner down the third base line produce 2 runs.

We then stay that way until the 6th. They are doing nothing with Smith, and you figure if the Mudcats can just put some runs on the board, the game will be in hand. It probably won't be a complete game because Smith has not been as pitch efficient as Wood was.

Finally in the 6th the Mudcats break thru. Yonder lines single to right, and then later Francisco homers to RF. (His 2 homers this series have both been towering homers just over wall).

But then between half innings, it starts raining. I'm not sure of rules, but I think Mudcats have to get Suns out in case it gets called and reverts to inning before. But whatever...... you want to pitch fast, and throw strikes. That sense of urgency doesn't get through to Smith who continues to be Mr Slow motion on the mound. The first batter hits first pitch for ground out. But Smith doesn't like the ever increasing rain, and he gives up a hit eventually to LF.

It's now pouring. Smith walks the next guy. He can't control the ball. Mudcats manager David Bell is imploring the ump to delay the game. He takes a trip to the mound and confronts ump to call a delay.

After every pitch Smith requests a new ball. After every pitch Bell yells for a delay. It's a frickin monsoon at this point.

Two on, 1 out and the next guy eventually hits a hard one hopper to Castro at 2nd base, and when it hits his glove (head high) it skips off his glove into RF, and the tieing runs scores, instead of ending the inning with a DP. The ball essentially hydroplaned off Castro's glove. Now Bell is really steamed, and as the hurricane pours down, Smith is still pitching slow and can't throw strikes. This is what Bell keeps yelling to the ump. "He can't control the ball".

Now we have guys at 2nd and 3rd with one out and game tied. Smith eventually gets one in the hitting zone and the batter absolutely crushes it to dead center. It's 420 to center and it looks like this ball will hit the 420 sign on the fence. Heisey take off after it. This monster crush continues it's trek to the fence and extra bases, and Heisey is blazing after it. Incredibly, Heisey somehow catches this ball. Now the runners tag, and Heisey throws the ball to Cozart in short CF. Because the ball has been hit 419 feet and it's raining like Katrina is in in town, the runner from second decides to try for home also. But Cozart throws a ball that will have him by 20 feet.........

.....except that ball also hydroplanes and never bounces when it hits ground 15 feet in front of catcher. It goes to backstop and Mudcats are down 2. Bell and everyone in Mudcats dugout is pissed because umpires decision to keep playing in unplayable conditions has cost them 3 runs and the lead.

We play on......... animals are lining up 2 x 2 and getting on some big boat in the outfield, Smith throws a couple more balls outside the strike zone. He then throws one that comes moderately close to the hitters head, and the batter decides that of all the balls that have been bouncing to the plate, or thrown wide, or thrown so high the catcher has to jump up to catch them......... this is the one ball the pitcher COULD control, and by golly........ he was throwing at my head !!!!!

The batter charges the mound !! He never gets there... First of all it's hard to run thru puddles, and Kroski the catcher grabs him before he gets too far. Now both benches clear and everyone converges in the middle. Lot's of yelling and pushing, but I don't think any actual punches were thrown.

It takes 3 or 4 minutes for order to be restored and the field cleared. The umpire issues a warning to both sides, with Bell and the Jax manager still out talking to him, and signals to start playing again. At this point Bell starts jawing with him, and you know Bell is going to get the heave-ho. He does shortly, but continues to rant after ump for 3 or 4 more minutes. Hitting Coach Ryan Jackson eventually has to separate them and keep separating them.

And then the rain starts slowing down, just as Bell heads into clubhouse. The ump looks around, and says "wow, this field is wet and unplayable, get the grounds crew out here and put those piles of dirt everywhere to dry things out." The player that's been the most vocally upset during this has been Heisey. And as the grounds crew comes out for their yard work, the umps coverge around 1b and the Mudcats dugout.

Then a ballglove mysteriously flies out of the Mudcats dugout and lands next to umps.... (okay it wasn't a mystery to me I saw Heisey do it, but umps didn't). So ump says "whose glove is this"? Heisey owns up to it, and Heisey is tossed. He does his best George Brett imitation (I really thought he was going to make serious contact with ump but he help up) but he got his money's worth before he left.

And that was essentially the ballgame. Vazquez came in and was not that effective, Mudcats made minor rally that fell short. Lower round draft choice Logan Parker was called out on a close play at first and begged anyone in the Mudcats who had a big contract to offer to pay his fine, so he could go crazy. Yonder avoided eye contact with Logan and Logan stayed sane.......

lollipopcurve
06-09-2009, 01:57 PM
Great report Jax!

Sounds like the Carolina squad has some spunk.

Blitz Dorsey
06-09-2009, 02:00 PM
Wow good recap... thanks.

Heisey sounds like a complete headcase.

(I'm kidding... I love the guy.)

OnBaseMachine
06-09-2009, 02:01 PM
Great stuff Jax.

camisadelgolf
06-09-2009, 02:04 PM
Thanks, Jax. That was great.

camisadelgolf
06-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Bit of a stretch isn't it, Heisey to Milton Bradley? I mean when Heisey catches up to him in ejections or is at least in the neighborhood might be a better time to compare the 2.
I brought up Bradley because he's someone everyone loves to hate, whereas Heisey is someone everyone loves to love. The point is how they're treated differently--not similarly. Just imagine the things people would be saying if Milton Bradley threw a glove in the direction of the umpires. It would be all over ESPN, and no one would shut up about what a horrible individual Bradley is. Now imagine if it were Homer Bailey. There would be a lot more people attacking him than defending him just based on what they think they know about the guy. I'm not saying Heisey is anywhere near as bad of a teammate as Bradley--heck, if I were to guess, I'd say he's probably one of the best teammates in all of baseball--but there's a double standard with Heisey because he's a scrappy underdog, and that's not fair to him nor anyone else imo.

lollipopcurve
06-09-2009, 02:27 PM
I brought up Bradley because he's someone everyone loves to hate, whereas Heisey is someone everyone loves to love. The point is how they're treated differently--not similarly. Just imagine the things people would be saying if Milton Bradley threw a glove in the direction of the umpires. It would be all over ESPN, and no one would shut up about what a horrible individual Bradley is. Now imagine if it were Homer Bailey. There would be a lot more people attacking him than defending him just based on what they think they know about the guy. I'm not saying Heisey is anywhere near as bad of a teammate as Bradley--heck, if I were to guess, I'd say he's probably one of the best teammates in all of baseball--but there's a double standard with Heisey because he's a scrappy underdog, and that's not fair to him nor anyone else imo.

Chris Heisey was just another marginal minor league prospect on this board until very recently. To play him up as some kind of board favorite is wild exaggeration. Are people growing excited about him? Sure -- dominating the Southern League while playing a good defensive CF and running the bases well merits a spike in attention, don't you think?

Crash Davis
06-09-2009, 02:51 PM
I brought up Bradley because he's someone everyone loves to hate, whereas Heisey is someone everyone loves to love. The point is how they're treated differently--not similarly. Just imagine the things people would be saying if Milton Bradley threw a glove in the direction of the umpires. It would be all over ESPN, and no one would shut up about what a horrible individual Bradley is. Now imagine if it were Homer Bailey. There would be a lot more people attacking him than defending him just based on what they think they know about the guy. I'm not saying Heisey is anywhere near as bad of a teammate as Bradley--heck, if I were to guess, I'd say he's probably one of the best teammates in all of baseball--but there's a double standard with Heisey because he's a scrappy underdog, and that's not fair to him nor anyone else imo.

They're treated differently for a very good reason. Milton Bradley's temper has a problem for a long time. His history demonstrates that he's a little bit off-kilter at least and a hot head at most.

Milton Bradley has earned the microscope. Chris Heisey has not. There's no comparison here.

camisadelgolf
06-09-2009, 03:35 PM
They're treated differently for a very good reason. Milton Bradley's temper has a problem for a long time. His history demonstrates that he's a little bit off-kilter at least and a hot head at most.

Milton Bradley has earned the microscope. Chris Heisey has not. There's no comparison here.
I agree with you regarding Bradley, but I never compared Heisey to Bradley. I compared how people would react to what Heisey did if Bradley had done it. Chalk it up to a bad example, if you'd like.

If someone's throwing his equipment on the field toward umpires--it doesn't matter who did it--it's bad sportsmanship and warrants punishment. But if Heisey does it, the board calls it 'competitiveness' or 'being fiery', and I don't think that's fair. If Homer Bailey had done it (who has never received a suspension), the reaction from the board would have been very different despite the evidence that Bailey is just as competitive as Heisey, if not more so.

Mario-Rijo
06-09-2009, 11:56 PM
I agree with you regarding Bradley, but I never compared Heisey to Bradley. I compared how people would react to what Heisey did if Bradley had done it. Chalk it up to a bad example, if you'd like.

If someone's throwing his equipment on the field toward umpires--it doesn't matter who did it--it's bad sportsmanship and warrants punishment. But if Heisey does it, the board calls it 'competitiveness' or 'being fiery', and I don't think that's fair. If Homer Bailey had done it (who has never received a suspension), the reaction from the board would have been very different despite the evidence that Bailey is just as competitive as Heisey, if not more so.

Why Bailey? Why no Logan Parker, why not Justin Tordi, how about Yen Wen Kuo? I mean Bailey has a prickly reputation so inevitably yeah he'd have one more strike against him. Anyone who hasn't like say Jordan Widemann you would chalk it up if it is isolated incident to just that. Heisey has a good reputation for a reason and part of the game is arguing your point. That said throwing a glove isn't acceptable but I'm sure everyone believes he will never do something like that again (probably learned a big lesson) or else his reputation will take a major hit and be headed on a downward plane.

I like to think Redzoners wouldn't suppose the worst if they heard a rumor that Mario_Rijo got charged with assault. But due to my online persona a fiery, sometimes abrasive and argumentative one that they would probably buy that story despite whatever the truth was. It's human nature to presume what you already believe you know and your usually right. Now in my case it's funny because to be around me you'd know that assault charge was bogus.....but self defense on the other hand...;)