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OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 01:32 PM
Homer Bailey, Travis Wood, and Juan Carlos Sulbaran are all pitching tonight. Should be an interesting night.

Louisville - 7:05 - RHP Homer Bailey

Carolina - 7:15 - LHP Travis Wood

Sarasota - 7:00 - RHP Jerry Gil

Dayton - 7:00 - RHP Juan Carlos Sulbaran

princeton
06-12-2009, 01:41 PM
Jerry Gil is going to put one in your earhole

redsfan10
06-12-2009, 01:43 PM
RHP Jerry Gil
Now on the Carolina Mudcats

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 01:46 PM
RHP Jerry Gil
Now on the Carolina Mudcats

Hmm, I just noticed that. It looks like Scott Carroll is back. Maybe he'll start tonight in place of Gil.

princeton
06-12-2009, 01:46 PM
RHP Jerry Gil
Now on the Carolina Mudcats


see, he's moving closer to you...

11larkin11
06-12-2009, 01:53 PM
I'll, hopefully, be at the Bats-Clippers game tonight and hope to give a report

NC Reds
06-12-2009, 02:01 PM
Off topic, any updates on Lotzkar and Hildenbrandt?

BCubb2003
06-12-2009, 05:58 PM
I'm currently watching Corey Patterson facing John Smoltz in Syracuse.

GOYA
06-12-2009, 06:18 PM
Going into tonight, Homer has a 15.1 scoreless inning streak.

BCubb2003
06-12-2009, 06:20 PM
Corey Patterson with a two-run double against Smoltz (and a AAA defense).

GOYA
06-12-2009, 06:41 PM
Bats lineup:

Hopper LF .291
Stubbs CF .291
Sutton SS .275
Barker 1B .237
Bankstn 3B .245
Dorn DH .230
McDnld RF .226
Richar 2B .283
Tatum C .250

Bailey P

GOYA
06-12-2009, 07:08 PM
Homer was still warming up two outs into the top of the first.

We'll see shortly if that means anything.

GOYA
06-12-2009, 07:33 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Bailey 2.0 1 0 0 0 2 0 3.31

Pitches-strikes: Bailey 21-17 - 81%

Grande Donkey
06-12-2009, 07:34 PM
Great start for Bailey.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 07:51 PM
Stubbs is 1-for-2 with his 20th stolen base. He's 20-for-24 in the SB department.

Grande Donkey
06-12-2009, 07:53 PM
Homer: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 Ks.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 07:57 PM
Travis Wood struckout five straight batters at one point. His line so far:

3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K

1-0 Carolina in the bottom of the third inning.

Alonso walked in his only PA so far. Cozart is 1-for-1 with a SB.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 07:59 PM
Scott Carroll is making his season debut tonight with Sarasota.

2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Mesoraco is 1-for-1.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 08:00 PM
Dayton is winning 2-0 in the second inning on a Jake Long 2-run HR.

Sulbaran: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Frazier singles in a run. 2-0 Carolina in the third inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 08:15 PM
Wood throws a 1-2-3 4th inning and has retired 12 in a row.

4 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K

GOYA
06-12-2009, 08:16 PM
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Bailey 4.0 3 0 0 1 4 0 3.21


Pitches-strikes: Bailey 55-39 - 71%

mace
06-12-2009, 08:21 PM
Some character who pitches for the DSL Reds, a 21-year-old Panamanian named Luis Machuca, is now 3-0 and unscored upon. He has thrown six innings in each of his three starts.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 08:27 PM
Wood: 5 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 08:27 PM
Stubbs just drew a 10 pitch walk. He's 1-for-2 with a walk and SB.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 08:38 PM
Wood has retired 18 straight batters.

6 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 8 K

aubashbrother
06-12-2009, 08:39 PM
man wood is just something else right now. best 1 - 2 punch in the minors ? stewart and wood

aubashbrother
06-12-2009, 08:40 PM
5 ip , 3 hits , 0 runs , 1 walk , 5 k's for Homer

jfar23
06-12-2009, 08:41 PM
Wood, Stewart, and even Bailey lately, wow!

aubashbrother
06-12-2009, 08:44 PM
back to back double for frazier and francisco score another run for carolina

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 08:47 PM
Cozart singled. He's 2-for-3 with a SB.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:00 PM
Strikeout #9 for Wood to begin the 7th inning.

GOYA
06-12-2009, 09:02 PM
Bailey finally gives up a run.

6 IP
6 H
1 R
1 BB
6 K
ERA 3.25

Pitches-strikes: Bailey 90-63 - 70%

Game tied 1-1

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:02 PM
Soft lineout for out #2. 20 straight retired by Wood. Two outs in the 7th.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:04 PM
Soft liner single to RF. Wood loses the no-hitter with no outs in the 7th inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:06 PM
Wood: 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 9 K, 95 pitches

mace
06-12-2009, 09:11 PM
Anybody know why Sulbaran left after two innings?

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:12 PM
Anybody know why Sulbaran left after two innings?

He struggled mightily with his control tonight. 6 BB/4 K in two innings.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:15 PM
Wood: 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 9 K, 95 pitches

That was Wood's final line. Another excellent start by Travis Wood.

Wood's last three starts:

22 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 26 K, 0.00 ERA

dougdirt
06-12-2009, 09:16 PM
He struggled mightily with his control tonight. 6 BB/4 K in two innings.

And 3 wild pitches.

As for Travis Wood's no hitter.... it was my fault. I said to a friend 'have you checked the Carolina box score?' Wood threw a pitch and there was the single. I turned off the speakers. Sorry Travis!

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:21 PM
Bailey: 7 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 7 K, 96 pitches

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:26 PM
Bailey: 8 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 8 K

1 BB/8 K ... that's what I like to see.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:28 PM
Mesoraco is 1-for-3 with a walk.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Homer Bailey threw 109 pitches in eight innings and Rick Sweet sent him back out there in the 9th. He hit LaPorta to open the 9th inning.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 09:58 PM
Bailey's final line: 8.2 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 9 K, 124 pitches

One of the walks was intentional.

Caveat Emperor
06-12-2009, 10:01 PM
Bailey's final line: 8.2 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 9 K, 124 pitches

One of the walks was intentional.

That's one hell of a line. Good to see Bailey pitching deep into a ballgame.

Kc61
06-12-2009, 10:07 PM
That's one hell of a line. Good to see Bailey pitching deep into a ballgame.

Reds are getting Bailey ready. He will be in the rotation soon. Everything is pointing to a trade or two at the deadline.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 10:26 PM
Reds are getting Bailey ready. He will be in the rotation soon. Everything is pointing to a trade or two at the deadline.

Question is are we buyers or sellers, I think we might be selling.

Benihana
06-12-2009, 10:47 PM
Nice day for the system all around.

I'd let Cozart and Wood play out the remainder of the half-season in Carolina and enjoy their All-Star honors before promoting them both to Louisville at The Break.

Anybody else still disagree on Wood?

HokieRed
06-12-2009, 10:47 PM
Fire-sellers. We need major overhaul. 3b, SS, LF, CF, C, maybe even RF--all need upgrades to be competitive in 2010.

OnBaseMachine
06-12-2009, 10:48 PM
RF will be fine.

Cedric
06-12-2009, 10:55 PM
The Reds need to get out there and sell Harang and Arroyo.

11larkin11
06-12-2009, 11:48 PM
Was at the game. Homer was outstanding tonight. 94-95 all night, touched 96 twice, once in the first and once in the seventh. He topped out once at 97 in the NINTH.
He didn't throw an offspeed pitch until the third inning, but once he started, no one touched his curveball all night. I don't think anyone even foul tipped one. He was on.

Otherwise, not much. Bats lost in the 10th on a groundball through Barker's legs. Sweet brought Kennard in over Viola who were both warming in the pen. Didn't like that idea. Dorn had a nice double and was about two feet to the right of a HR. Stubbs had an infield single he beat out, he stole third with two outs, and had an amazing diving catch to save a sure double. Stubbs has a great eye at the plate. No one really stuck out as having defensive liabilities, until Barker's error. Sutton looked good at short, and Richar at second.

travisgrimes
06-12-2009, 11:49 PM
i think theres a fine line right now... idk what the money situation is as of now but if it's like most teams and we are losing money (revenue) than a fire-sell could happen... HOWEVER if we are drawing even or making revenue than we will be buying two bats... i would like to see the Reds go ahead a sell some players off (i know we could win this year) because I don't want to sell our future away for a rent-a-player or two...

11larkin11
06-13-2009, 12:00 AM
i think theres a fine line right now... idk what the money situation is as of now but if it's like most teams and we are losing money (revenue) than a fire-sell could happen... HOWEVER if we are drawing even or making revenue than we will be buying two bats... i would like to see the Reds go ahead a sell some players off (i know we could win this year) because I don't want to sell our future away for a rent-a-player or two...

You can sell one of Harang/Arroyo and still have Volquez, Cueto, Owings, Bailey, Maloney, and next year Stewart, Wood, and maybe Leake. Viola has started, Ramirez has pitched well lately and late last year.

KoryMac5
06-13-2009, 12:08 AM
You can sell one of Harang/Arroyo and still have Volquez, Cueto, Owings, Bailey, Maloney, and next year Stewart, Wood, and maybe Leake. Viola has started, Ramirez has pitched well lately and late last year.

With Peavy being hurt many teams will turn there attention to Harang and Arroyo. I don't like to rush prospects but I think Stewart and or Wood could pitch at the major league level right now. Why not get younger?

travisgrimes
06-13-2009, 12:23 AM
i think if one goes they both go (harang and arroyo), harang can bring you 2 or 3 REALLY good prospects and arroyo can bring 1 REALLY good prospect and a mid-level prospect

redsfan1966
06-13-2009, 12:36 AM
Was at the game in C-Bus tonite ---- Homer looked great, as was said earlier, his velocity remained consistent and he seemed to have extra "ummph" near the end of his nite....unfortunately, we have been down this road before.

GOYA
06-13-2009, 02:03 AM
The two big things I was watching for tonight were Homer's split finger and if he could go into the late innings. The late innings goal was accomplished and the split finger was very very good. Homer is throwing three pitches these days. The fastball, the slider and the split finger that has replaced his change. He is controlling the split finger pretty well. He throws it for a strike and he throws it for a ball that batters will chase. A little more polish on that pitch and he'll be ready for the bigs.

I had a strong feeling that when Homer got pulled, the Bats would lose. I heard Kelch say that Jukich and Kennard were warming I didn't think either would get past the Columbus bats. Columbus has some serious hitting and especially the lefty Aubrey.

All in all, I really don't mind the loss with Homer's performance. Still I would have liked to see a little more offense to go with the pitching. As Reds fans, I think we all know that feeling.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2009, 03:14 AM
More on Travis Wood.

In his last start, he allowed a one out infield single in the 4th inning. He then went on to retire the last 17 batters he faced. Tonight, he allowed a lead off walk in the first inning and then retired 20 straight batters. He went 11.2 straight innings without allowing a hit. In that span, he retired 37 of the 38 batters he faced. That is total dominance.

lollipopcurve
06-13-2009, 08:33 AM
As with Heisey, the Reds need to promote Wood soon and reward his dominating performance over 2 months at a level he spent time at last year. There has been very little movement in the system this year, but that should change soon.

PuffyPig
06-13-2009, 09:30 AM
Reds are getting Bailey ready. He will be in the rotation soon. Everything is pointing to a trade or two at the deadline.


While you may be right, I'm not certain how the Reds are "getting Bailey ready". They are pitching him in a 5 man rotation at AAA. What else can they do?

crazyredfan40
06-13-2009, 09:43 AM
While you may be right, I'm not certain how the Reds are "getting Bailey ready". They are pitching him in a 5 man rotation at AAA. What else can they do?

I think he meant in terms of how many innings and pitches they were throwing him...If not they probably would of shut him down after 7 when he had 96 pitches...

With Bailey it is all about the k/bb rate IMO...If that stays at a 9/2 rate per 9 innings or even a rate around 7.5/2 then he will be fine...Guys really don't hit Homer hard that often, he gets himself into trouble with walks, and then he trys to make perfect pitches and gives up the big hit...but when he is on, he might give up a single here and a single there...

And as for fire sell...I would sell one or both of Harang/Arroyo but would like to see a SS that you don't have to worry about putting in the lineup everyday, whether he can defensively handle the position, and whether or not he can break the mendoza line with his bat...a good defensive SS, that can OPS in the 775-815 range, and I would be happy.

I honestly think CF is fine with in the organization with Dickerson/Stubbs...I would sell Taveras...

And I would like to see a LF. That could OPS around 840 or more...Man what Dunn would like in the middle of our lineup now...

GIDP
06-13-2009, 10:09 AM
Every Bailey start I get more and more confused by the guy.

UC_Ken
06-13-2009, 10:13 AM
Looks like Homer's starting to put it together (KNOCKING ON WOOD REALLY HARD)

There's no way I'd trade Harang and Arroyo though. Do you guys remember how long we've been waiting to have a legitimate rotation? Even if we don't get to the playoffs this year (I doubt we will) we need their veteran leadership in the rotation next year.

OnBaseMachine
06-13-2009, 11:18 AM
Pitching at premium with Cassel, Bats' Bailey
Saturday, June 13, 2009 3:02 AM
By Jim Massie

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

On an evening dominated by brilliant pitching, it figured that a ground ball through the legs of the first baseman lifted the Clippers to a 2-1, 10-inning victory over the Louisville Bats last night in Huntington Park.

The error by Kevin Barker on Michael Aubrey's grounder allowed Niuman Romero to score from second base with the winning run.

Through nine innings, Louisville starter Homer Bailey was scintillating. The Clippers won in front of 10,751 fans because starter Jack Cassel and relievers Tony Sipp and Vinnie Chulk (1-0) matched him. It wasn't easy.

"(Bailey) was unbelievable," Clippers third baseman Andy Marte said. "He was hitting his spots and throwing everything for strikes. When you've got a pitcher throwing 95 (mph) and throwing his breaking ball for strikes, it's tough to hit. He was consistent."

Marte got the game to extra innings by driving in the Clippers' first run in the sixth inning with an RBI single and tying the score at 1-1.

Aubrey was the only other Clippers player to have any success against Bailey. He doubled twice and singled in the middle of the sixth-inning rally. Aubrey tried to give the lead to Cassel, who allowed one unearned run in seven innings, but Louisville right fielder Darnell McDonald threw him out at the plate to end the sixth.

"That was fun to watch," Clippers manager Torey Lovullo said. "The starting pitching was as good as it gets. Jack was matching Bailey inning for inning. We had a tough time taking (Cassel) out of the game because of the way he was pitching. And Bailey was as good as we've seen this year."

The top pitching prospect for the Reds' organization, Bailey was touching 97 mph in the ninth inning.

"He had the 96-mph four-seam fastball," Lovullo said. "He had the power sinker going 88 to 92 (mph) and then a breaking ball. He could go to any pitch at any time. I think the most impressive part about his outing was the last couple of batters he faced. He stood on his fastball and got the job done."

Louisville manager Rick Sweet pulled Bailey with two on and two outs in the ninth. Jeff Kennard (1-1) retired Damaso Espino to end the inning.

In the 10th, Niuman Romero led off with a single and Michael Brantley sacrificed him to second. After Andy Cannizaro walked, Aubrey hit the ball right at Barker. It went through his legs.

The Bats scored first in the second. Daniel Dorn reached on a two-base error by first baseman Matt LaPorta. He went to third on McDonald's single and scored on a squeeze bunt by Danny Richar. Cassel slipped trying to field the ball. He did not slip again.

"He had command of his fastball on both sides of the plate," Lovullo said. "For the seven innings he gave us, it was fun to watch these two guys go at it."

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2009/06/13/clippers_6-13.ART_ART_06-13-09_C1_6EE5QOK.html?sid=101

Grande Donkey
06-13-2009, 11:29 AM
Since Homer dropped the Change in favor of the Splitter: 3 Starts, 23.1 IP, 17 H, 1 R, 4 BB, 23 Ks.

bellhead
06-13-2009, 12:18 PM
Since Homer dropped the Change in favor of the Splitter: 3 Starts, 23.1 IP, 17 H, 1 R, 4 BB, 23 Ks.

Nice....

A splitter, works very well at gab...

DTCromer
06-13-2009, 12:30 PM
Since Homer dropped the Change in favor of the Splitter: 3 Starts, 23.1 IP, 17 H, 1 R, 4 BB, 23 Ks.

Great stuff. He'll be up here by the end of the year. I'm getting excited about Homer as I think he's finally starting to turn the corner. It would be nice that the next time the organization called him up, they told him that it was for the long run and to not worry about getting sent down.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2009, 12:49 PM
Looks like Homer's starting to put it together (KNOCKING ON WOOD REALLY HARD)

There's no way I'd trade Harang and Arroyo though. Do you guys remember how long we've been waiting to have a legitimate rotation? Even if we don't get to the playoffs this year (I doubt we will) we need their veteran leadership in the rotation next year.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Yep, I agree completely. I agree that we have holes in the big club. I don't think anybody could doubt that. But you don't sell off your proven assets to get unproven talent when you're wanting to fix things immediately. We've built a deep and talented farm system. If we're going to deal something to fill holes in Cincy...its from the farm that the trade pieces are going to come from. Sure, we could toss in some big league chaffe, but I don't want to see us trade off our "big" names for minor leaguers. Yes, we've got pitching depth for the first time in I don't remember HOW long...but you've GOT to have some veteran leadership to go along with that young depth.

nate
06-13-2009, 01:59 PM
Do you guys remember how long we've been waiting to have a legitimate rotation?

I do.

But I've been waiting to have a legitimate team for longer.

Caveat Emperor
06-13-2009, 03:13 PM
Nice....

A splitter, works very well at gab...

I'm shocked they haven't tried to get Bailey to throw it in the past. With his hard stuff, he seems like the prototypical split-fingered pitcher.

Where'd the report of him starting to throw it come from?

camisadelgolf
06-13-2009, 03:17 PM
I do.

But I've been waiting to have a legitimate team for longer.
Exactly. I understand not wanting to lose Harang and/or Arroyo, but when it comes to acquiring good players form outside the organization, you generally have to give up good baseball players in return. It's amazing how few people have grasped that concept.

UC_Ken
06-13-2009, 05:32 PM
I understand what you're saying but if you plug one hole to fill another you're not getting any better, you're just creating a new hole. The fact is the talent level on the major league roster needs to be upgraded. I believe we have a better chance of doing that by keeping the pitching staff intact and upgrading the offense by adding Heisley/Stubbs/Frazier plus adding another bat or two in free agency.

kfm
06-13-2009, 06:03 PM
Exactly. I understand not wanting to lose Harang and/or Arroyo, but when it comes to acquiring good players form outside the organization, you generally have to give up good baseball players in return. It's amazing how few people have grasped that concept.

Totally disagree, you don't improve your team by ridding it of 40% of its greatest strength which is starting pitching. Trading Arroyo and Harang is not very smart. They need to get to get Joey and Edwin back and they will be fine.

11larkin11
06-13-2009, 06:38 PM
The two big things I was watching for tonight were Homer's split finger and if he could go into the late innings. The late innings goal was accomplished and the split finger was very very good. Homer is throwing three pitches these days. The fastball, the slider and the split finger that has replaced his change. He is controlling the split finger pretty well. He throws it for a strike and he throws it for a ball that batters will chase. A little more polish on that pitch and he'll be ready for the bigs.

I had a strong feeling that when Homer got pulled, the Bats would lose. I heard Kelch say that Jukich and Kennard were warming I didn't think either would get past the Columbus bats. Columbus has some serious hitting and especially the lefty Aubrey.

All in all, I really don't mind the loss with Homer's performance. Still I would have liked to see a little more offense to go with the pitching. As Reds fans, I think we all know that feeling.

I saw a pitch at 88-91 and didn't know what it was. I though, thats too fast for a changeup, I thought he might just be slowing down his fastball, but its nice to see a splitter.

camisadelgolf
06-14-2009, 05:14 AM
Totally disagree, you don't improve your team by ridding it of 40% of its greatest strength which is starting pitching. Trading Arroyo and Harang is not very smart. They need to get to get Joey and Edwin back and they will be fine.
You improve your team by trading from a strength to improve a weakness. That doesn't necessarily mean the Reds would need to trade 2/5 of their starting rotation, but if they want a position player who can make a significant difference in the lineup, they'd probably need to trade one of their starters since they're in such high demand.

kfm
06-14-2009, 11:09 AM
You improve your team by trading from a strength to improve a weakness. That doesn't necessarily mean the Reds would need to trade 2/5 of their starting rotation, but if they want a position player who can make a significant difference in the lineup, they'd probably need to trade one of their starters since they're in such high demand.

I agree that you trade from a position of strenght, but how often do you see a team in contention trade away starting pitching and the very starting pitching that put them in contention. We already have to hold our breaths on the days Owings pitches. Pitching is what is going to win for this team. I think if you pose what was the original trade move of both Harang and Arroyo to all of the MLB GMs, I would be very surprised if any of them thought this was a good idea. All you are doing is trading one hole for another larger hole, because we all know by now that the most important thing in baseball is good pitching.

camisadelgolf
06-14-2009, 03:38 PM
I agree that you trade from a position of strenght, but how often do you see a team in contention trade away starting pitching and the very starting pitching that put them in contention. We already have to hold our breaths on the days Owings pitches. Pitching is what is going to win for this team. I think if you pose what was the original trade move of both Harang and Arroyo to all of the MLB GMs, I would be very surprised if any of them thought this was a good idea. All you are doing is trading one hole for another larger hole, because we all know by now that the most important thing in baseball is good pitching.
Typically, when a team goes in 'win now' mode, they trade prospects. If the Reds want to go to the playoffs in 2009, there's no way I'd trade Harang or Arroyo. But if the Reds want to win in 2010, trading one of those two might be the way to go, depending on the return, of course.

mth123
06-14-2009, 03:47 PM
Typically, when a team goes in 'win now' mode, they trade prospects. If the Reds want to go to the playoffs in 2009, there's no way I'd trade Harang or Arroyo. But if the Reds want to win in 2010, trading one of those two might be the way to go, depending on the return, of course.

Trade prospects now from deep areas to get a bat or two. After the season, deal Arroyo, etc. for prospects at positions that aren't so deep. Simple thinking IMO, not sure how easy it will actualy be to accomplish.

traderumor
06-14-2009, 11:22 PM
I just hope Homer doesn't shred his arm throwing that splitter.