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Red in Chicago
06-12-2009, 07:10 PM
Per Fay:

Willy Taveras 8

Alex Gonzalez 6

Brandon Phillips 4

Laynce Nix 7

Ramon Hernandez 3

Jay Bruce 9

Jonny Gomes DH

Ryan Hanigan 2

Adam Rosales 5

Matt Maloney 1

vs. RHP Luke Hochevar

mth123
06-12-2009, 08:13 PM
Top of the first and 2 down. The game starts in about an hour.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 08:30 PM
Top of the first and 2 down. The game starts in about an hour.

LMAO! I read the first sentence and thought I missed the start of the game. Classic. Sad and true...but classic. Thanks mth...I needed a good laugh. :O)

GAC
06-12-2009, 08:32 PM
I bet Taveras, somehow, made both of those outs.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 09:14 PM
What a top of the lineup ... the Mad Hackers. 4 pitches

Red in Chicago
06-12-2009, 09:14 PM
4 pitches, and the reds are done...

alloverjr
06-12-2009, 09:14 PM
4 pitches and the Reds are out in the 1st. Somewhat obvious - no scoring.

Raisor
06-12-2009, 09:14 PM
The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.


The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.


The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

Redrum

Redrum

Redrum

This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 09:15 PM
Only Dusty could bat those guys 1-3. No other manager in baseball could construct that ... even IF the pitcher was a lefty(which of course he isn't)

flyer85
06-12-2009, 09:16 PM
The Reds have two guys at the top of the lineup with sub 600 ops.
and it isn't even because of matchups ... the pitcher is a righty

oneupper
06-12-2009, 09:22 PM
Was that Brett Butler's kid?

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 09:26 PM
Why do Reds pitchers take such a cookie-cutter approach to facing hitters? Every hitter, no matter their weaknesses, seems to get the same sequence from Reds' pitchers. And this has been going on for a long time, long before Dusty's been here.

Bob Borkowski
06-12-2009, 09:26 PM
No score after one inning.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 09:27 PM
No score after one inning.

Royals hit a dinger. 1-0 Royals after one.

Bob Borkowski
06-12-2009, 09:28 PM
Royals hit a dinger. 1-0 Royals after one.

Ooops, thanks, FCB.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:29 PM
LOL. 5 outs...8 pitches.

KronoRed
06-12-2009, 09:31 PM
What's the hurry gents?

VR
06-12-2009, 09:31 PM
This lineup is 1982ish

flyer85
06-12-2009, 09:32 PM
What's the hurry gents?there is the KC nightlife

alloverjr
06-12-2009, 09:33 PM
Bruce makes him work - GO on the 3rd pitch

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:33 PM
wow. We started this season off being soooooo patient at the plate. It's pulled a Where's Waldo since. 2 innings pitched for Hochevar...only 11 pitches needed. ELEVEN. Sheesh!

lollipopcurve
06-12-2009, 09:33 PM
I smell a tailspin.

Scrap Irony
06-12-2009, 09:35 PM
Votto and EdE (and perhaps another bat) can't get to Cincinnati fast enough.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:40 PM
Nice solid inning from Maloney there. 2 K's & a foul pop out.

KKKK

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:42 PM
Gomes with a bullet off the wall for a double. Close play.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:43 PM
Wow....Hochevar pitching out of the stretch...batters hitting .484 against him according to Brantley.

VR
06-12-2009, 09:44 PM
1st time I've seen Maloney. I'm impressed with his composure and stuff so far.

Won't get too high on him until we can see how the league responds once a major league scouting report gets developed....but his makeup looks promising.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:47 PM
Leadoff double wasted. So far, nobody's gone past 3 pitches seen. Pitiful. 3 IP, 19 pitches. This guy's got an ERA around 7.00....make him WORK! He'll kill himself if we let him.

VR
06-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Taveras now 0-22 in June....with 0 walks, 0 runs, and 0 stolen bases.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Top of 7th: Tigers 2 / Pirates 1
Top of 7th: Cards 1 / Indians 2
Bottom of 3rd: White Sox 0 / Brewers 0
Final: Twins 7 / Cubs 4
Houston / D-Backs later tonight

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:51 PM
Brantley just caught a foul ball. :D

pahster
06-12-2009, 09:52 PM
Taveras now 0-22 in June....with 0 walks, 0 runs, and 0 stolen bases.

He's a beast.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:52 PM
Bloomquist with a double...nearly nailed with that bazooka attached to Jay's torso.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Ryan Hanigan is a big ole can of RAID for those pesks on the basepaths! Nailed Bloomquist at third!

End of 3: Royals 1 / Reds 0

CrackerJack
06-12-2009, 09:54 PM
Gotta like Hanigan, he was on top of that and is really working Maloney

corkedbat
06-12-2009, 09:55 PM
Watching Hanigan throw out runners at 3B is a thing of beauty. The runner had a solid jump. Great release.

VR
06-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Gotta like Hanigan, he was on top of that and is really working Maloney

7 stolen bases....10 caught stealing. Move over Yadier :)

flyer85
06-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Taveras now 0-22 in June....with 0 walks, 0 runs, and 0 stolen bases.but he is really fast

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:56 PM
This is OUR inning. I'm calling 3 runs here.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Some boneheaded baserunning by the opposition the last few days.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:57 PM
AGon with a leadoff walk. MUCH better guys. Keep it going.

CTA513
06-12-2009, 09:57 PM
Some boneheaded baserunning by the opposition the last few days.

:thumbup:

No reason to steal when you are already in scoring position.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 09:59 PM
Phillips with a single to left. 1st & 2nd with no outs.

VR
06-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Anyone NOT thinking DP when they saw that hit?:)

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Nix lines out to left center. Good play to rob a double from Nix.

CrackerJack
06-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Nix has to do something with that meatball, for a huge guy he doesn't seem to have a lot of natural power

GAC
06-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Having a hard time getting to sleep since I have to get up early tomorrow......so I thought I'd turn on the game to see if it helps. :p:

VR
06-12-2009, 10:02 PM
Nice....

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:02 PM
Crud. Hernandez 6-4-3 DP to end the threat.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:02 PM
there is no batter in this lineup a pitcher really has to worry about or pitch around. it's a 1-9 cool breeze

redsmetz
06-12-2009, 10:04 PM
Butler flies out to (CF, I think).

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:09 PM
Brantley makes a good point. All through spring training all we heard was "small ball, hit & run, stolen bases, bunts, etc". When was the last time we saw a hit & run on? Aggressive stolen base? Textbook bunts to advance runners? It's been a while. We're certainly struggling offensively, but when we DO get guys on...we're not excecuting our supposed game-plan. Heck, we're not even ATTEMPTING our game-plan. That's on Baker IMO.

VR
06-12-2009, 10:09 PM
At what point.....

Does Jacoby lose his job?

Does Taveras find the bench and CDick become the regular?

Do the Reds acquire a hitter to play 3rd?

Is Monday the day?

corkedbat
06-12-2009, 10:09 PM
This offense is borderline unwatchable without Joey.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:12 PM
Maloney with 2 fly outs to Bruce, a BB and another K.

KKKKK

1-0 after 4

Homer Bailey
06-12-2009, 10:13 PM
At what point.....

Does Jacoby lose his job?

Hopefully soon.


Does Taveras find the bench and CDick become the regular?

Hopefully soon.


Do the Reds acquire a hitter to play 3rd?

Hopefully soon.


Is Monday the day?

No way. We'll never be that lucky.

Homer Bailey
06-12-2009, 10:13 PM
I just can't get over the hilarity of the fact that Luke Hochever. is mowing us down. I know he was a number 1 pick, but he is terrible.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:15 PM
Brewers losing 2-0
Cards losing 4-1
Cubs already lost

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 10:16 PM
Hochevar's pitching a great game, regardless of the Reds' hacking. 92 MPH in the strike zone, all over the strike zone--pounding guys inside. Basically the opposite of the Reds' pitching philosophy.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:16 PM
Tie ball game. Gomes! :jump:

First dinger from Gomes as a Red.

VR
06-12-2009, 10:16 PM
That fan in left field looked like a Brewer sausage race/ mascot competitor :beerme:

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:16 PM
Does Jacoby lose his job?
I don't see why he should. The track of most of these guys was low OBP and middling power at best. A recipe for struggling to score runs

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 10:17 PM
First dinger from Gomes as a Red.

About dag gone time.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 10:17 PM
10 lifetime homeruns for Gomes against the Royals now. He has a ton of confidence against this team why is he hitting so low in the lineup tonight.

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:17 PM
Wow just looked at the lineups-this isn't exactly the battle of the titans offensively.

Gomes does nothing to quiet those who characterize him as a DH...... DH dinger!

VR
06-12-2009, 10:18 PM
I don't see why he should. The track of most of these guys was low OBP and middling power at best. A recipe for struggling to score runs

Indeed...but it is a hitting instructors job to improve the hitters individual performance. Who has that EVER happened to under Jacoby's watch? Ever?

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:19 PM
After 4 1/2, tie game 1-1.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:20 PM
Indeed...but it is a hitting instructors job to improve the hitters individual performance. Who has that EVER happened to under Jacoby's watch? Ever?

+1

Agree completely. I've yet to see anybody's approach improve with him. I'm not talking about production...just thier approach. The production is up to the player.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:21 PM
Indeed...but it is a hitting instructors job to improve the hitters individual performance. Who has that EVER happened to under Jacoby's watch? Ever?most of these guys are what they are. Very rare that a hitting coach can make over a hitter. Poor hitters hitting poorly, I'm shocked. Making a decision in .2 seconds makes it tough to change

VR
06-12-2009, 10:21 PM
McClellan walks in a run in Cleveland....5-1 Tribe, still batting w/ 2 out.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:21 PM
Callaspo HBP from Maloney. Just got away from him. But not a good start to the inning.

Ltlabner
06-12-2009, 10:22 PM
Taveras now 0-22 in June....with 0 walks, 0 runs, and 0 stolen bases.

But he's going to make up for it with stolen bases right?

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:22 PM
But he's going to make up for it with stolen bases right?
absolutely ... he's really fast. Don't worry he's a 5th OF

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:24 PM
Olivo with a single. 1st & 2nd with no outs.

Playadlc
06-12-2009, 10:25 PM
Gonzalez...jeez...get the 10 pound weights out of your shoes.

Ltlabner
06-12-2009, 10:26 PM
Hannigan pouncing out like a ninja on that ball in the dirt. Good to see.

VR
06-12-2009, 10:26 PM
But he's going to make up for it with stolen bases right?

only 88 to go to top the century mark, dog.

Raisor
06-12-2009, 10:26 PM
That fan in left field looked like a Brewer sausage race/ mascot competitor :beerme:

...Jim Coombs?

VR
06-12-2009, 10:28 PM
...Jim Coombs?

that dude may have eaten Jim Coombs

Ltlabner
06-12-2009, 10:28 PM
Is Gonzo limping?

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:28 PM
...Jim Coombs?

I have yet to figure out this Jim Coombs thing. No clue who he is/was or even if he is/was real. It's usually funny though...so no complaints. :O)

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:29 PM
Base hit with the runner going. 2-1 Royals. 1st & 3rd again.

VR
06-12-2009, 10:29 PM
A hit and run. What a concept.

That was 4 inches from being a DP

Ltlabner
06-12-2009, 10:29 PM
Hum.....a hit & run.

I think I remember seeing one of those before. Or something.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 10:31 PM
Time to see what Maloney is made of here, sink or swim etc...

VR
06-12-2009, 10:33 PM
not sure where that pitch missed.

VR
06-12-2009, 10:34 PM
Tricky play...not sure he could have turned 2 there.

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:34 PM
Look at all of that dirt on Bloomquist's uni....he must be really good.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:34 PM
Did Rosales bobble that? Looked like a DP ball there.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:36 PM
Wow. Just WOW. I don't care if Phillips slumps or not, his glove work is a thing of beauty.

VR
06-12-2009, 10:36 PM
Did Rosales bobble that? Looked like a DP ball there.

No....two hopper, thought he may have a chance at the guy on 3rd...got the runner at 2nd though.

Brandon Phillips....GGlover.


Maloney. Swim.

CrackerJack
06-12-2009, 10:36 PM
Phillips is fun to watch play 2B, saves runs

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:36 PM
Tricky play...not sure he could have turned 2 there.

Coco almost made a huge blunder and Rosales did the right thing. Bloomquist runs too fast to turn two on a slow grounder like that.

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:37 PM
I'm just hoping that Maloney stays away from his fastball...

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:38 PM
I don't care about Butler's footspeed (or lack of it), Phillips' range saved a run....

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:38 PM
Willy almost got the ball past the pitcher

VR
06-12-2009, 10:38 PM
Can I say 'sucks' on this site?

Cuz Wily Taveras 'sucks'

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:38 PM
No....two hopper, thought he may have a chance at the guy on 3rd...got the runner at 2nd though.

I'd never seen Bloomquist play before tonight so I didn't know he had those wheels. Probably a good decision.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:39 PM
Hochevar is almost to 50 pitches with 2 outs in the 6th

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:40 PM
Can I say 'sucks' on this site?

Cuz Wily Taveras 'sucks'you can but saying not nice things about Willy T can get you a warning

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:41 PM
Can I say 'sucks' on this site?

Cuz Wily Taveras 'sucks'

When you're a one tool guy and that tool is speed (though this isn't really fair because he's got an arm too), any ding to the legs kills your game.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 10:41 PM
Phillips is going to hurt himself one of these days with that swing.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:42 PM
When you're a one tool guy
your pants don't fit like a glove

VR
06-12-2009, 10:42 PM
Alright....I need to see some offense. Headed out for awhile to pitch tennis balls to my 7 yr old.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:43 PM
Alright....I need to see some offense. Reds hitters are downright offensive

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:45 PM
As painful as it can be to watch, this game is shaping up to be exactly an '09 Reds grit it out game....

The '09 Reds are the baseball equivalent of Brad Gilbert (professional tennis reference)....

Az Red
06-12-2009, 10:46 PM
How about a Redszone internet petition to Walt and Bob to go find some offensive help?

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 10:47 PM
As painful as it can be to watch, this game is shaping up to be exactly an '09 Reds grit it out game....

The '09 Reds are the baseball equivalent of Brad Gilbert (professional tennis reference)....

Hochevar has been very tough, regardless of the constant carping on the offense. He clobbered the Jays just the other day.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:47 PM
How about a Redszone internet petition to Walt and Bob to go find some offensive help?
they'll wait until after the break and it will be to late and they won't have to.

lollipopcurve
06-12-2009, 10:49 PM
As painful as it can be to watch, this game is shaping up to be exactly an '09 Reds grit it out game....

The '09 Reds are the baseball equivalent of Brad Gilbert (professional tennis reference)....

Nice.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:50 PM
Hochevar has been very tough, regardless of the constant carping on the offense. He clobbered the Jays just the other day.guy reminds me of Pelfrey of the Mets. Live arm but no out pitch. A patient team with power would light him up, that why he has such a high era this year and for his career. Can't survive as a starter with a sub 3 K Rate.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 10:50 PM
Maloney sort of rhymes with "vanilla." Sort of.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:50 PM
*sigh*

Had a runner picked off (with 2 outs)...but a bad throw by Hernandez let's him reach 2nd. Then a dinger. 4-1 Royals.

Homer Bailey
06-12-2009, 10:50 PM
LOL CALLASPO!

lollipopcurve
06-12-2009, 10:51 PM
Too bad for Maloney there -- should be out of the inning.

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:51 PM
Hochevar has been very tough, regardless of the constant carping on the offense. He clobbered the Jays just the other day.

He's just daring the Reds to hit it.

_Sir_Charles_
06-12-2009, 10:51 PM
Too bad for Maloney there -- should be out of the inning.

Yep, he got pretty much screwed in this inning.

jojo
06-12-2009, 10:52 PM
Homer Maloney.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:52 PM
that defensive screwup was costly. I guess that's what happens when you have a catcher playing first ... I doubt he has every practiced stepping toward the pitcher to create a lane while dropping down to throw.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 10:54 PM
He's just daring the Reds to hit it.

Throw strikes. Throw them often. It works for the Twins. The "nibbling" Reds see their pitches land in the stands.

Kc61
06-12-2009, 10:55 PM
that defensive screwup was costly. I guess that's what happens when you have a catcher playing first ... I doubt he has every practiced stepping toward the pitcher to create a lane while dropping down to throw.

It was predictable from his minor league record that Maloney would allow the long ball. Otherwise, he looks like a good young pitcher.

Reds needing three runs in the late innings with this offense is enough to make one turn on the hockey game.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 10:56 PM
the third run was likely enough, the 4th run was icing

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 10:57 PM
It was predictable from his minor league record that Maloney would allow the long ball. Otherwise, he looks like a good young pitcher.

Reds needing three runs in the late innings with this offense is enough to make one turn on the hockey game.

Yeah. Don't think Mr. Maloney's going to be too long for MLB. And the offense has gone totally dormant.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 10:58 PM
Ramon has really cooled off as of late, though he was a bit unlucky in Washington.

VR
06-12-2009, 11:00 PM
I think 5 pitches is the longest ab tonight for the Reds

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:01 PM
while the pitch to Jay didn't look like a strike I don't see how he can complain with all the crap he swings at.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 11:02 PM
I think 5 pitches is the longest ab tonight for the Reds

The guy's thrown nothing but strikes all night. And he's been busting them inside.

jojo
06-12-2009, 11:03 PM
Ramon has really cooled off as of late, though he was a bit unlucky in Washington.

His season totals to date are basically right in line with his last two seasons in Baltimore with a little less power. If the season ended today, he couldn't even be described as a good bat for a catcher.

lollipopcurve
06-12-2009, 11:03 PM
Flaccid.
Hapless.
Dinky.

3 up, 3 down.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:05 PM
His season totals to date are basically right in line with his last two seasons in Baltimore with a little less power. If the season ended today, he couldn't even be described as a good bat for a catcher.

Good thing he is playing first base.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:06 PM
Lincoln snuck in to pitch the 7th

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:07 PM
Hochevar is crap. His numbers tell the story. He is a bad pitcher having one of his better nights against a poor offensive team.

He is an example of why the Royals are bad. First pick in the draft wasted.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:09 PM
If the season ended today, he couldn't even be described as a good bat for a catcher.which is no surprise. They look at the back his baseball card and those numbers he posted 5 years ago make the FO feel comfortable.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:09 PM
Lincoln survives the 7th without allowing a run.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:10 PM
69 pitches for Hochevar tonight absolutely pathetic.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:12 PM
BTW, Wood was dominating again tonight. 7IP 1H 9Ks

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:12 PM
Hochevar has set down 9 Reds in a row as Gomes flies out.

Falls City Beer
06-12-2009, 11:13 PM
Hochevar is crap. His numbers tell the story. He is a bad pitcher having one of his better nights against a poor offensive team.

He is an example of why the Royals are bad. First pick in the draft wasted.

Anybody who can throw 92 for strikes will find work in MLB. The problem with the Royals is the same problem with the Reds: they can't take raw materials and do anything with them.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:13 PM
69 pitches for Hochevar tonight absolutely pathetic.the result of having a lineup where the pitcher has no fear of any hitter

lollipopcurve
06-12-2009, 11:13 PM
Somnolent.
Comatose.
Impotent.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:14 PM
Make it 10 in a row as Hanigan is retired, now 11 in a row as Gonzalez gets jammed.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:16 PM
For you hockey fans the Penguins are 13:00 minutes from what might be the first of many Cups.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:17 PM
Lincoln back out for the 8th inning, gets Butler to ground out to short.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:19 PM
Lincoln's curveball looks sharper tonight than it has in weeks. Jacobs strikes out on a fastball.

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:19 PM
Lincoln with a nice 1,2,3 inning

jojo
06-12-2009, 11:20 PM
Maloney averaged a little over 88 mph on his fastball, 79 on his sinker, 78 on his change, and 77 on his slider. 85% of his pitchers tonight were fastballs (four-seamer and sinker).

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:22 PM
Votto will give the Reds a boost when he gets back but you still have some offensive holes at SS, 3rd, and LF. Lets call up one of the kids.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:22 PM
willy bunts for the 2nd time. three balls in play that don't get past the pitcher. It's embarrassing.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:22 PM
the Reds are on fast forward

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:22 PM
Hochevar has set down 12 in a row, make that 13 in a row.

lollipopcurve
06-12-2009, 11:23 PM
Feckless.
Feeble.
Farcical.

oneupper
06-12-2009, 11:23 PM
The good news: Cubs and Cards lost.
Bad News: Brewers leading late.
Worse News: Its the Pirates and Astros we should be worrying about. (Pirates lost, Astros trailing early)

OUReds
06-12-2009, 11:23 PM
Chris Welsh

"A little better bunt and he cruses past first base with a hit"

Dynamite analysis there Chris.

flyer85
06-12-2009, 11:24 PM
complete game on 80 pitches. I would think the last pitcher to go under would likely be Maddux

Playadlc
06-12-2009, 11:24 PM
3 hits. lol

KoryMac5
06-12-2009, 11:24 PM
Reds go quietly into the night Hochevar with his first complete game of his career. 80 pitches needed to go the distance. Worst offensive performance I have seen in a long time from any club.

jojo
06-12-2009, 11:25 PM
Wowsers...but this one just had that feel to it from early on.

KronoRed
06-12-2009, 11:26 PM
80 pitches, absolutely absurd, if there was a way to record an out without taking a pitch or batting out of order this lineup would find it.

mth123
06-12-2009, 11:27 PM
Wowsers...but this one just had that feel to it from early on.

Like when we saw Taveras and Gonzalez in the top 2 spots before the game started.

oneupper
06-12-2009, 11:27 PM
...and Hochevar signals that he's finished warming up!

jojo
06-12-2009, 11:32 PM
Like when we saw Taveras and Gonzalez in the top 2 spots before the game started.

The Reds trotted out three bats that currently are worse than replacement level (Taveras, Gonzo, Rosales) and one that is just treading water relative to replacement (Hernandez).

VR
06-12-2009, 11:33 PM
4 pitches in each of the top of the 1st and 9th by our leadoff trio of Taveras, Gonzo and Phillips.

That's 4 pitches total, not each.

RED VAN HOT
06-12-2009, 11:50 PM
Coming into the game I thought the Reds were pressing and swinging at pitcher's pitches instead of being patient. Since they were facing three starters who collectively had average 4BB's/9, I figured they would be patient, get the count in their favor and look for some good pitches to hit. Missing KC's top two pitchers in this series seemed like the prescription for slump busting. I was wrong. 80 pitches? Was this get away day?

I hope this team is patient tomorrow. They are not going to slug their way out of this.

WVRedsFan
06-13-2009, 12:16 AM
Just sad.

Just like Paul Wilson and Bill Bray were the key to winning in 2006, the same thinking says Votto and Ecarnacion are the key to winning in 2009. Both false. This team is anemic.

Tom Servo
06-13-2009, 01:16 AM
Just sad.

Just like Paul Wilson and Bill Bray were the key to winning in 2006, the same thinking says Votto and Ecarnacion are the key to winning in 2009. Both false. This team is anemic.
To be fair, as I recall nobody thought Paul Wilson was the key to ANYTHING in 2006.

WVRedsFan
06-13-2009, 02:08 AM
To be fair, as I recall nobody thought Paul Wilson was the key to ANYTHING in 2006.

I'm probably off on the year (I forget a lot), but I distinctly remember Robert Castillini (or however you spell it--I used to know) that Wilson was a key to winning. I also remember someone (maybe Krivsky or even Castillini) saying th key was getting Bray back. Truth is, the key is never one or two players on a good team. The key is not making the mistakes like signing Traveras, Hairston, and even extending players who simply aren't very good.

This team has big holes at shortstop (regardless of those who laud Gonzalez's defense, he's a black hole at the bat), third base (providing that Ecarnacion
does not come back, which I expect), center field, and sadly right field (yes, I am a Bruce doubter. The evidence suggests that he needs to go back to AAA and hone his skills some more as well as build confidence). I have no problem with Hernandez at catcher or Gomes/Nix in left in a pinch. Still, the Reds need to make major personnel changes to be competitive.

I say all this knowing that this is a .500 year and building for the future. But unless major talent infusions are made in the positions mentioned above, and the pitching does not fold under the pressure of no runs (I can still remember Joey Jay pitching well and going from 21-14 to 7-18 in the blink of an eye), this team is not that much better than the 2006 team. That's a sobering moment.

Johnny Footstool
06-13-2009, 04:53 AM
This just in...the Reds can't hit.

Hochevar (sp) was nothing special tonight. 92 mph strikes should be crushed by a legit offense. The Reds were simply pathetic.

But that play by Brandon Phillips was all-world.

Ron Madden
06-13-2009, 04:54 AM
I am a Bruce doubter. The evidence suggests that he needs to go back to AAA and hone his skills some more as well as build confidence.

Seems like you have been down on Jay Bruce ever since he took over for KGJ in RF. We all have our favorites but come on now.

I agree with you that Bruce is struggling right now but I believe Jay will be OK. :)

reds44
06-13-2009, 06:40 AM
This just in...the Reds can't hit.

Hochevar (sp) was nothing special tonight. 92 mph strikes should be crushed by a legit offense. The Reds were simply pathetic.

But that play by Brandon Phillips was all-world.
Thank you for the last line, because it made me go look at the replay. Amazing. That boy can conver some ground.

reds44
06-13-2009, 06:44 AM
And I have a VERY difficult time blaming Jacoby for this. He just doesn't have anything to work with.

It's awful that the guy who gives this team the best at bats (Dickerson) is rotting on the bench.

dsmith421
06-13-2009, 12:40 PM
willy bunts for the 2nd time. three balls in play that don't get past the pitcher. It's embarrassing.

The Reds would have been better served to take six million dollars, put it in a box, and throw it into the Ohio River.

membengal
06-13-2009, 12:49 PM
Like when we saw Taveras and Gonzalez in the top 2 spots before the game started.

Yes. Right from that point.

membengal
06-13-2009, 12:52 PM
4 pitches in each of the top of the 1st and 9th by our leadoff trio of Taveras, Gonzo and Phillips.

That's 4 pitches total, not each.

That seems unpossible.

membengal
06-13-2009, 12:56 PM
btw, my power has been out in memphis since 5:00 cst yesterday. One storm, straight line winds, and our local utility is tied in knots. I have come into the office in search of electricity and air condition. So I drove around the city for awhile last night listening to the game on XM and then WLW once the sun went down. I thought it would help pass the time. Or, not, as it turned out.

Something has to be done to address this. An easy start would be mothballing WT. At the least, give Dickerson the at-bats to look at a few pitches.

Tom Servo
06-13-2009, 01:31 PM
I'm probably off on the year (I forget a lot), but I distinctly remember Robert Castillini (or however you spell it--I used to know) that Wilson was a key to winning. I also remember someone (maybe Krivsky or even Castillini) saying th key was getting Bray back. Truth is, the key is never one or two players on a good team. The key is not making the mistakes like signing Traveras, Hairston, and even extending players who simply aren't very good.
It was driving me nuts last night because I knew what you were refering to and that it was 2007 where Bob told us to wait for two guys to salvage/save the season. It was Bill Bray and Eddie Guardado (I could not remember Everyday Eddie). They were supposed to be our saviors.

traderumor
06-13-2009, 04:58 PM
Willy Taveras is not the problem.

_Sir_Charles_
06-13-2009, 10:04 PM
Willy Taveras is not the problem.

I agree....but he's certainly not the solution either. We've easily got 90% of the offensive players slumping at the same time.