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Red in Chicago
06-14-2009, 02:42 PM
Per Fay:
Reds
Dickerson 8
Gonzalez 6
Phillips 4
Nix 7
Gomes DH
Bruce 9
Hernandez 3
Hanigan 2
Hairston 5
Cueto 1

Royals
DeJesus 7
Bloomquist 9
Butler 3
Jacobs DH
Olivo 2
Callaspo 4
Teahen 5
Hernandez 6
Maier 8
Banister 1

redsfaninbsg
06-14-2009, 03:07 PM
A lot of pressure on Cueto today, Reds really need to come up with a win today.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:11 PM
Dickerson grounds out to 1st.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:12 PM
Gonzalez singles to left center.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:13 PM
Phillips singles to center. 1st and 2nd.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 03:14 PM
I know folks get a lot of big LOLs out of raking the Reds' offense over the coals, but I look at the Royals' offense and see a similarly cruddy collection. Yet the Reds' pitchers have surrendered 11 runs to them in two games. Team failure effort, IMO, this weekend.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:14 PM
Nix grounds into a 3-6 FC. The shortstop throws the ball away. 1-0 Reds.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:15 PM
Gomes fouls out to 2nd. 1-0 Reds mid 1st.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:19 PM
DeJesus grounds out to 2nd. Nice play by Phillips.

membengal
06-14-2009, 03:20 PM
I know folks get a lot of big LOLs out of raking the Reds' offense over the coals, but I look at the Royals' offense and see a similarly cruddy collection. Yet the Reds' pitchers have surrendered 11 runs to them in two games. Team failure effort, IMO, this weekend.

FCB, I know your thesis to start the year was that the Reds' pitching was a problem and the offense would be fine, but, man, you've just been flat wrong. Wrong as it gets. And re-writing what has been happening to lay it on the feet of the staff is silly. Piling up inept performance after inept performance like this team has on offense puts inordinate pressure on the staff to be near perfect.

The pitching has been really quite good for this team, all year. The hitting has been far from that. That is the sum total of the 2009 reds to this point in time.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:23 PM
Bloomquist singles to center.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:24 PM
Butler grounds a ball off Hairston's glove. Error on Hairston. 1st and 2nd.

redsfaninbsg
06-14-2009, 03:24 PM
This team is getting brutal to watch, should be a 5-4-3 DP and they get no outs.

membengal
06-14-2009, 03:27 PM
Butler grounds a ball off Hairston's glove. Error on Hairston. 1st and 2nd.

They really could use a 3b. Hairston is a nice jack-of-all-trades guy, but 3b seems to be problematic for him. They have had to use him there too much.

I still wish they would consider bringing up Frazier.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:28 PM
Jacobs flies out to center.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:30 PM
Olivo doubles down the 3rd base line. Tie game 1-1.

VR
06-14-2009, 03:33 PM
32 pitches for Cueto in the 1st.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:33 PM
Callapso grounds out to 1st. A 32 pitch inning for Cueto. 1-1 after 1.

11larkin11
06-14-2009, 03:33 PM
The should be Double Play ball was pitch 16. Should have had half as many pitches

VR
06-14-2009, 03:36 PM
Typical of Jay Bruce's luck. Beautiful bunt rolls two feet inside the 3rd base line the entire way...then cuts fouls just short of the bag.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:36 PM
Bruce grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

redsfaninbsg
06-14-2009, 03:36 PM
Reds need something to change their luck, Bruce lays a beautiful bunt down and it rolls foul right past the grass.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:37 PM
Hernandez pops out to short. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:38 PM
Hanigan grounds out to short. 1-1 mid 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:41 PM
Teahan singles to center.

VR
06-14-2009, 03:41 PM
Reds need something to change their luck, Bruce lays a beautiful bunt down and it rolls foul right past the grass.

Joey Votto would be one heck of a good luck charm for this offense.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:42 PM
Hernandez grounds into a 6-3 DP. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:44 PM
Maier strikes out swinging. 1-1 after 2.

membengal
06-14-2009, 03:46 PM
Joey Votto would be one heck of a good luck charm for this offense.

It just seems to me it's asking a LOT of Joey Votto to fix what ails this offense.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:48 PM
Hairston flies out to center. 1 out.

Tony Cloninger
06-14-2009, 03:50 PM
Putting the pressure on Votto more than he feels he has it already....might not be a good idea for him when he comes back. But that's how it's going to be.

How about hanigan batting 2nd? He would be a mini-Brain Downing for the Reds.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:51 PM
Dickerson grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:52 PM
Gonzalez lines out to short. 1-1 mid 3rd.

VR
06-14-2009, 03:54 PM
Both Hairston and Dickerson swung at ball 4.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:54 PM
DeJesus singles to center.

VR
06-14-2009, 03:55 PM
DeJesus gets a single on a ball that Cueto just leaves over the plate a bit.


Hanigan hoping he tries to steal.

VR
06-14-2009, 03:56 PM
It just seems to me it's asking a LOT of Joey Votto to fix what ails this offense.

Not saying he's going to fix it....but replacing your 9th best hitter with far and away your 1st....that does good things for any offense.

VR
06-14-2009, 03:58 PM
Yankees up 13-0 in the 4th against the Mets.....Santana gives up 9 earned.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 03:59 PM
2nd error of the day for Hairston as he takes an easy grounder and throws it way high to first. 1st and 3rd.

VR
06-14-2009, 03:59 PM
Jerry and Wily are ready for a couple weeks of mental and physical rest.

redsfaninbsg
06-14-2009, 04:00 PM
You've got to be kidding me.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:01 PM
Thank goodness the Reds can pitch this year.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:02 PM
Royals had the hit and run on yet again. Butler just misses a two run double to right.

Cueto gets the K, runners still on the corners.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 04:03 PM
Butler strikes out. 1 out.

redsfaninbsg
06-14-2009, 04:03 PM
Lets get a ground ball to anybody but Hairston here.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 04:05 PM
4 pitch walk to Jacobs. Bases loaded.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:06 PM
Wow....he looked very out

edit...looked safe. pffffft

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 04:07 PM
Olivo grounds into a 6-4 FC. 2-1 Royals. 2 outs.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:08 PM
Miguel Doubleplayivo..... (hopefully that's foreshadowing)....

reds44
06-14-2009, 04:08 PM
Reds are playing some awesome defense behind Cueto.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Just unbelievable.

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Callapso hits a ball to the wall in right. It hits off Bruce's glove and pops out. 4-1 Royals.

redsfaninbsg
06-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Time for me to turn this off again. I will give them credit they did stay in the race longer this year than I expected.

flyer85
06-14-2009, 04:09 PM
U-G-L-Y

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Baseball is a game of milli-inches.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:10 PM
Reds are playing some awesome defense behind Cueto.

They've been just about the best defensive team in the majors this year. Sometimes rockets fall in too.

BCubb2003
06-14-2009, 04:10 PM
At least Cueto's ERA is intact.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:11 PM
If Bruce's wrist doesn't twist, he catches that....

VR
06-14-2009, 04:12 PM
A little surprised that the Royals are so on top of Cueto's pitching. He hasn't really fooled anyone, and a guy like Callaspo winds up and swings from his heals to almost jack one.

westofyou
06-14-2009, 04:12 PM
Good day to go outside, looking better each pitch

Reds Fanatic
06-14-2009, 04:12 PM
This is pretty much over. Teahan singles in a run. 5-1 Royals.

BCubb2003
06-14-2009, 04:14 PM
The bad call on the double play was huge.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:14 PM
The bad call on the double play was huge.

I actually though it was a good call. At least I don't know how anyone could argue strongly no matter how it was called.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:15 PM
I actually though it was a good call.

Yep....the replay showed he made it.

PuffyPig
06-14-2009, 04:16 PM
They've been just about the best defensive team in the majors this year. Sometimes rockets fall in too.

The first statement is true.

So is the second.

Neither is particularly applicable today.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:16 PM
Cueto's Ks are down a lot; not just a little bit. Today he's missing the plate a lot. Combine those two elements and it's not going to be pretty for Johnny.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:18 PM
The first statement is true.

So is the second.

Neither is particularly applicable today.

Read the quote I was responding too. In that light, my response was dead-on.

CTA513
06-14-2009, 04:18 PM
Cueto's Ks are down a lot; not just a little bit. Today he's missing the plate a lot. Combine those two elements and it's not going to be pretty for Johnny.

His day would be going better if Hairston would stop giving the Royals 4 outs.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:20 PM
His day would be going better if Hairston would stop giving the Royals 4 outs.

One error. They happen. Don't think one error required Cueto to throw 70 pitches through 3 innings. The kid's not got it today. Arrroyo didn't have it last night; Maloney Friday night.


Pitching was due for a bit of a correction.

membengal
06-14-2009, 04:20 PM
His day would be going better if Hairston would stop giving the Royals 4 outs.

Stop with the facts. That messes up alternate realities.

membengal
06-14-2009, 04:21 PM
One error. They happen. Don't think one error required Cueto to throw 70 pitches through 3 innings. The kid's not got it today. Arrroyo didn't have it last night; Maloney Friday night.


Pitching was due for a bit of a correction.

Ah, there we go. Back to the thesis. Like the sun rising in the east.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:21 PM
Go into last place KC, against their 3/4/5 starters, and get swept. :barf:

CTA513
06-14-2009, 04:23 PM
One error. They happen. Don't think one error required Cueto to throw 70 pitches through 3 innings. The kid's not got it today. Arrroyo didn't have it last night; Maloney Friday night.


Pitching was due for a bit of a correction.


2 errors by Hairston including one that might have been an inning ending double play in the 1st inning.

forfreelin04
06-14-2009, 04:23 PM
Haven't posted in awhile: but have there been any studies done in the VORP area for this team in the past month or so? Almost at every postion it seems your getting replacement players the likes that have never been seen since the Strike. Their abilities at the plate are laughable.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:23 PM
One error.




x 2

membengal
06-14-2009, 04:24 PM
x 2

Silly facts.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:24 PM
But the one error opened the floodgates.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:28 PM
The Royals have 5 unearned runs but Cueto got hurt by poor location on two hits last inning (which knocked in 3 runs).

It's not as simple as blaming Hairston. But still, two errors, a papercut difference on a potential double play and a wallbanger in and out of Bruce's glove...

The worm has turned on this one through the smallest of margins.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:29 PM
But the one error opened the floodgates.

27 pitches extra, with the primary cause being the 2 errors. Yes Johnny had chances to buck up....but it's not reasonable to ask any starter to put up with 4+ out innings.

Cueto isn't on today....but if he gets through the 5th without allowing a run....he will be leading the National League in ERA. I'm not thinking he's the problem.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:29 PM
It's not as simple as blaming Hairston. .

It's never the pitching's fault. Ever.

CTA513
06-14-2009, 04:29 PM
But the one error opened the floodgates.

The error led to him having to throw 30+ pitches instead of being out of the inning with under 20 pitches.

He hasn't thrown many pitches in the non error innings.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:30 PM
Leadoff single, I feel like cheering!

Bruce with a nice solid knock.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:32 PM
I'm not thinking he's the problem.

I never said Cueto was the problem. I said the pitching has been the recipient of some nice defense and luck--therefore, it's unsurprising that they'd be corrected a bit in the AL.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:32 PM
Jacoby has to be wondering about his job with the Cubbies axing Perry today.



Even Hernandez has lost plate patience.....hitting a very low 2-0 pitch into a near DP.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:32 PM
Leadoff single, I feel like cheering!

Bruce with a nice solid knock.

:beerme:

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:34 PM
Bruce annihilates Callaspo on the turn.... gotta wash his uni tonight....

membengal
06-14-2009, 04:35 PM
It's never the pitching's fault. Ever.

lol

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:36 PM
Frank White just called Bruce a throwback Pepsi (read a sweet ballplayer) on Royals FSN

VR
06-14-2009, 04:37 PM
these newfound home runs swings by Taveras and Hairston offer no hope of an offensive resurgence.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:40 PM
Bannister is a legit major league starting pitcher but he's not this good.

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:43 PM
Dickerson fought off the sun to snag a routine-looking play that wasn't nearly as routine as might be assumed.

Great camer work showing the intense sunlight reflecting off of Dickerson's glasses...

jojo
06-14-2009, 04:44 PM
The Royals announce team aren't impressed with Hernendez's form on that snag at first.

forfreelin04
06-14-2009, 04:45 PM
Bannister is a legit major league starting pitcher but he's not this good.

I bet he was licking his chops this morning.

This lineup as currently constructed would easily be the worst American League offense.

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 04:51 PM
It's never the pitching's fault. Ever.

I disagree with this. I just can't point to ONLY the pitching. Johnny's certainly not on (or at least he wasn't the first half of the game). He had opportunities to overcome the errors & other miscues and he didn't. So you can certainly point to the pitching...but so far this season, the pitching and the defense have been the biggest bright spots overall. I know you like the offense (or at least the offense's potential...as do I), but it's pitching & defense that's keeping this team afloat right now. Just not today. Today we're struggling at the plate, in the field and the pitching isn't lights out. Not a good combination.

VR
06-14-2009, 04:53 PM
1.51 WHIP coming into this one for Bannister.

No quality ab's, no hard hit balls, no dynamic defense needed. It's like they are facing Satchel Paige in his prime.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:55 PM
I disagree with this. I just can't point to ONLY the pitching. Johnny's certainly not on (or at least he wasn't the first half of the game). He had opportunities to overcome the errors & other miscues and he didn't. So you can certainly point to the pitching...but so far this season, the pitching and the defense have been the biggest bright spots overall. I know you like the offense (or at least the offense's potential...as do I), but it's pitching & defense that's keeping this team afloat right now. Just not today. Today we're struggling at the plate, in the field and the pitching isn't lights out. Not a good combination.

It's hard to argue that the hitting has been better than the pitching. It hasn't. But it's similarly hard to argue that any team missing its two biggest sluggers (Votto, Encarnacion) for weeks/months would be performing at its peak.

Take Braun and Fielder out of the Brewers' lineup and see where they'd be. Yet for all the Reds' troubles on offense, they're still in a cluster of teams in the middle of the NL in terms of runs scored. Realistically, they're probably ninth.

dsmith421
06-14-2009, 04:58 PM
It's hard to argue that the hitting has been better than the pitching. It hasn't. But it's similarly hard to argue that any team missing its two biggest sluggers (Votto, Encarnacion) for weeks/months would be performing at its peak.

Is that the same Encarnacion that was hitting .130 and committing two errors a week? Hardly the same as relieving the club of a talent like Ryan Braun. The Reds' offense looked okay at the beginning of the season because Votto was playing like the Venegeful God of the Old Testament. The Reds aren't as bad as they've been the past two weeks, but they aren't a whole lot better at full strength, in my view.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 04:58 PM
Is that the same Encarnacion that was hitting .130 and committing two errors a week? Hardly the same as relieving the club of a talent like Ryan Braun. The Reds' offense looked okay at the beginning of the season because Votto was playing like the Venegeful God of the Old Testament. The Reds aren't as bad as they've been the past two weeks, but they aren't a whole lot better at full strength, in my view.

No, the Encarnacion that hit 26 homers a year ago.

And if you think taking a guy who's OPSing 1.000 out of a lineup doesn't have an impact, our conversation's probably over....

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:01 PM
The Reds offense is ranked 14th in the NL by wOBA.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:02 PM
The Reds offense is ranked 14th in the NL by wOBA.

You can make it say what you want. Where the rubber meets the road is in runs scored.

VR
06-14-2009, 05:03 PM
You can make it say what you want. Where the rubber meets the road is in runs scored.

12th.

Tony Cloninger
06-14-2009, 05:03 PM
This offense was Votto and nothing more based on what i have seen from everyone else now.

If Votto has a magic wand that makes everyone a better hitter maybe he should give it to Jacoby.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:04 PM
12th.

Now adjust for number of games played.

VR
06-14-2009, 05:04 PM
Only the 7th, and the Reds already have their 2nd runner in scoring position.

I got Bruce going yard here.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:05 PM
This offense was Votto and nothing more based on what i have seen from everyone else now.

If Votto has a magic wand that makes everyone a better hitter maybe he should give it to Jacoby.

When Joey went down, Bruce was OPSing over .900

VR
06-14-2009, 05:05 PM
Now adjust for number of games played.

Good call...that drops them to 13th.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:07 PM
Good call...that drops them to 13th.

How do you figure?

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:07 PM
You can make it say what you want. Where the rubber meets the road is in runs scored.

OK, then despite playing half their games in one of the best offensive environments in the NL, they are currently 12th in the NL in runs scored.

Sliced anyway you want to, there are still alot of eggshells in that omelet...

dsmith421
06-14-2009, 05:08 PM
No, the Encarnacion that hit 26 homers a year ago.

Oh, him.


And if you think taking a guy who's OPSing 1.000 out of a lineup doesn't have an impact, our conversation's probably over....

Err...no. I said Votto was playing over his head and singlehandedly dragging a completely anemic offense up to merely below average.

VR
06-14-2009, 05:10 PM
How do you figure?

Where do you have it?

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:10 PM
OK, then despite playing half their games in one of the best offensive environments in the NL, they are currently 12th in the NL in runs scored.

Sliced anyway you want to, there are still alot of eggshells in that omelet...

11th in the NL in runs scored, despite playing two fewer games than the D-Backs, the team directly in front of the Reds. So conceivably tied for tenth.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:11 PM
OK, then despite playing half their games in one of the best offensive environments in the NL, they are currently 12th in the NL in runs scored.


....missing their two biggest sources of SLG....

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:12 PM
11th in the NL in runs scored, despite playing two fewer games than the D-Backs, the team directly in front of the Reds. So conceivably tied for tenth.

12th by fangraphs and frankly who cares to argue papercuts at the margins?

They play their home games in a hitters paradise....

VR
06-14-2009, 05:13 PM
11th in the NL in runs scored, despite playing two fewer games than the D-Backs, the team directly in front of the Reds. So conceivably tied for tenth.

Their RPG is less than the Dbacks....and if they don't score any more today...they will drop to 13th behind the Cubs. The numbers are what they are.

Decent recovery by Cueto to get through 6...DRH should present a bit of a struggle for the Royals after seeing heat all day.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:14 PM
12th by fangraphs and frankly who cares to argue papercuts at the margins?

They play their home games in a hitters paradise....

....missing their two biggest sources of SLG...

I think the larger lesson in looking at those numbers is how close a lot of those teams are between 6 and 11. Two great weeks and the Reds could be 7th.

Folks are acting like this offense is one of the 600 run Pirates' offenses of this last decade.

VR
06-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Herrera gets both batters he faces....ERA now at 1.90. :thumbup:

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:15 PM
....missing their two biggest sources of SLG....

It doesn't matter why does it? You're arguing it hasn't been a problem. It has been a problem.

Who knows what either EE or Votto will do with the rest of the season assuming either plays significantly....

That said its a safe bet that Votto's numbers will regress. One could look at it this way-the Votto led offense was playing over it's head with Votto's numbers.

Red in Chicago
06-14-2009, 05:16 PM
Let's get back to the game at hand. Most of the last two pages are discussions for ORG.

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:16 PM
12th by fangraphs and frankly who cares to argue papercuts at the margins?

They play their home games in a hitters paradise....

True, but still with us missing two of our biggest pieces for a pretty big chunk of the season it's not as bad as people make it out to be. With those 2 bats in the lineup, we're most likely right in the middle of the NL in offense. Nobody thought this would be a great offensive team, it's too young and it has too many holes, but if healthy....they're good enough to win a pretty good portion of thier games considering our pitching.

The fact that we're in a hitters paradise only helps us if we have long-ball hitters. We do have some, but two of our top 3 power hitters are out...so that hitters paradise is only helping opposing teams right now...only our pitching is offsetting the noticability of it.

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:17 PM
Folks are acting like this offense is one of the 600 run Pirates' offenses of this last decade.

I think this team is roughly a 700 run offense-Not much different than last year.

If the goal is the playoffs, that's not a good enough offense to get it done.

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:19 PM
It doesn't matter why does it? You're arguing it hasn't been a problem. It has been a problem.

Who knows what either EE or Votto will do with the rest of the season assuming either plays significantly....

That said its a safe bet that Votto's numbers will regress. One could look at it this way-the Votto led offense was playing over it's head with Votto's numbers.

Arguing "what's" been a problem? Of course missing two big bats is a problem. And yes, the offense has hardly been good. It's just the constant shrill harping on how historically bad this offense is that is flat-out nauseating.

It's nowhere near as bad as all that; hyperbole exists when this pitching is praised as much as the offense is bad. I'm saying--and have been saying--that by year's end the offense and pitching will be NL average.

Tony Cloninger
06-14-2009, 05:19 PM
600 runs? This team looks like the 1968 version of the LA Dodgers.

I guess this would be called a harping on the historic hyperbole?

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:20 PM
Let's get back to the game at hand. Most of the last two pages are discussions for ORG.

The Reds have more errors than runs scored, you really want us talking about this one? :cool:

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:22 PM
Hanigan with yet another text book at bat. Draws the walk.

Kc61
06-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Reds get a walk.

Reds have played a ton of games on the road recently. I'm guessing they start to hit when they get home again.

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:23 PM
BTW, the only thing that could make the Royals blue unis worse (IMHO) would be if they went with brown and pink polka dots instead...

VR
06-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Hanigan works the 1st walk of the game.

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Time for the rally caps...

VR
06-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Home run Hairston swings for the fences.....flares one to the 1st sacker.

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Hairston gets jammed and Butler tracks it down in foul ground. 1 down.

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:24 PM
DP ball but Dickerson beats it out.

VR
06-14-2009, 05:24 PM
Impressive speed by CDick to beat out the DP ball.

traderumor
06-14-2009, 05:25 PM
George Grande just referred to Luis Castillo as "one of the best 2bman of this generation" :eek:

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:25 PM
33 hits on this 6 game road trip so far. Yikes.

Pop out to end the inning. 5-1 Royals middle of 8

Tony Cloninger
06-14-2009, 05:25 PM
Now that KC is going to sweep...I guess we will here less of Why STL get's to play KC 6 times a year and how if the Reds did it would be 3 easy wins.

Screwball
06-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Err...no. I said Votto was playing over his head and singlehandedly dragging a completely anemic offense up to merely below average.

I don't mean to call you out dsmith, but I've seen this stated a lot by different poeple and I have to wonder just how true it is. His OPS the last four months that he's played (345 PAs):

.954
1.123
.979
1.274

I'm not sure if Votto's truly a 1.000+ OPS monster or not, but he's been awfully good for quite a while now. It's tough to call it a hot or lucky streak when he's been doing it for this long. Given his excellent plate approach/discipline and solid power, perhaps he legitimately is a ~1.000 OPS player. What worries me, though, is how he'll respond to this latest bout of infections and severe stress. Tough to perform at such an exceptional level with that much bringing you down.

VR
06-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Alright, I'm going to get a root canal or catheter inserted. I need a relief from the pain.

traderumor
06-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Well, at least we are leaving some teams thinking that they are making progress when, really, they are just playing a team playing like the worst team in the league right now. The Nats and Royals starting to think their pitching staffs are coming around...

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:26 PM
George Grande just referred to Luis Castillo as "one of the best 2bman of this generation" :eek:

Name 50 of his generation that are better.... :p:

lollipopcurve
06-14-2009, 05:27 PM
I've had very little to say this series except this:

I smell a tailspin.

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:28 PM
Bannister is at 108 pitches....will he come out again to try for a complete game?

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:30 PM
I don't mean to call you out dsmith, but I've seen this stated a lot by different poeple and I have to wonder just how true it is. His OPS the last four months that he's played (345 PAs):

.954
1.123
.979
1.274

I'm not sure if Votto's truly a 1.000+ OPS monster or not, but he's been awfully good for quite a while now. It's tough to call it a hot or lucky streak when he's been doing it for this long. Given his excellent plate approach/discipline and solid power, perhaps he legitimately is a ~1.000 OPS player. What worries me, though, is how he'll respond to this latest bout of infections and severe stress. Tough to perform at such an exceptional level with that much bringing you down.

True indeed. And if GABP is, as jojo says, a hitter's paradise, then why expect him to "regress," necessarily.

The fact is, even if Joey's is truly *just* a .950 hitter, taking him out means this offense collapses.

Tony Cloninger
06-14-2009, 05:30 PM
CG are up this year. I see more being thrown. Hopefully the stock market will follow.

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:30 PM
Rhodes coming in to replace Masset.

You want to see something that'll make your head spin...check out the current box score for this game. Now look at the ERA's for the pitchers the Reds put in this game. Simply stunning.

~for those too lazy to look....

2.17 Cueto
1.90 Herrera
0.74 Masset
0.86 Rhodes

Wow

Falls City Beer
06-14-2009, 05:31 PM
I've had very little to say this series except this:

I smell a tailspin.

Bound to happen without Votto and the starting becoming increasingly suspect.

The team's definitely unstable right now, and certainly not very deep.

jojo
06-14-2009, 05:32 PM
The Cubs and Brewers are both tied in their games heading into the late innings.... Bannister is done. A comeback in the 9th could make this a statement game (Phillips, Nix, Gomes, Bruce).

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:35 PM
Jacobs walks. 1 out.

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:36 PM
2 run dinger on the first pitch to Olivo. 7-1 Royals...I'd say this one is officially over.

Rhodes ERA up to 1.71

_Sir_Charles_
06-14-2009, 05:39 PM
Single...Rhodes doesn't have it today. Go get him. No point in prolonging it, it's obvious he doesn't have it.

I think I'm out guys. Have fun and play nice. :O)

mth123
06-14-2009, 05:46 PM
Nix with a 1 out single to start the 7 run comeback;)

mth123
06-14-2009, 05:47 PM
Gomes pops to SS. This may not work out.

mth123
06-14-2009, 05:49 PM
Bruce lines to RF. Game over.

VR
06-14-2009, 05:50 PM
Jay could easily have 3 or 4 hits today. The dude is ready for a big big week once those start dropping.

Fantastic news all....the Reds will NOT lose tomorrow....take it to the bank.