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fearofpopvol1
06-14-2009, 03:27 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4257747

Degenerate39
06-14-2009, 06:45 PM
You can only lead the horse to the pond. You can't make him drink

Homer Bailey
06-14-2009, 09:31 PM
Has he been the hitting coach for 101 years?

Raisor
06-14-2009, 09:34 PM
You can only lead the horse to the pond. You can't make him drink

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Team Clark
06-14-2009, 10:34 PM
At least they have the guts to do it. The Reds would be hard pressed to try a new "approach". They would rather their new franchise player whittle away and the rest of the team follow suit.

traderumor
06-14-2009, 11:14 PM
Honestly, it is a need of more good hitters for the Reds. You could bring in a hitting guru for the Reds and he is not going to suddenly make all the average and below average hitters productive major league bats.

Redmachine2003
06-15-2009, 12:10 AM
Honestly, it is a need of more good hitters for the Reds. You could bring in a hitting guru for the Reds and he is not going to suddenly make all the average and below average hitters productive major league bats.

But the Team is hitting below .200 over the last 10 days and hardly above .200 over the last 30 days. I would settle for avg. or just below avg. not horrible like they are now. It would be a little different if they were doing the little things at the plate. Like taking the 3-0 pitch or when a pitcher known for being wild not swing at the 1st pitch. Getting a bunt down. Sac. fly when needed or going the other way, hitting behind runners to advance them. But the Reds just keep failing at the plate in all areas. This wasn't there last year and with a different lineup this year it is still not there.

traderumor
06-15-2009, 12:18 PM
But the Team is hitting below .200 over the last 10 days and hardly above .200 over the last 30 days. I would settle for avg. or just below avg. not horrible like they are now. It would be a little different if they were doing the little things at the plate. Like taking the 3-0 pitch or when a pitcher known for being wild not swing at the 1st pitch. Getting a bunt down. Sac. fly when needed or going the other way, hitting behind runners to advance them. But the Reds just keep failing at the plate in all areas. This wasn't there last year and with a different lineup this year it is still not there.They are doing lots of little things at the plate--weak grounders, bat handle popups. Seriously, if that is all that is wrong, that is stuff that a novice can notice and point out. We are talking about an insufficient number of good major league hitters, exacerbated by a slump. I honestly don't know if Jacoby is a good hitting coach or not, but this is the flip side of the problem when Gully was here--blaming the coach for a lack of talent.

Jpup
06-15-2009, 01:46 PM
At least they have the guts to do it. The Reds would be hard pressed to try a new "approach". They would rather their new franchise player whittle away and the rest of the team follow suit.

I guess you are speaking of Bruce, but Votto is the face of the franchise, I think. Really, Dusty Baker is, but your point is that you think Jacoby should be fired. From all I can see, Baker is the hitting coach.

Team Clark
06-15-2009, 01:56 PM
I guess you are speaking of Bruce, but Votto is the face of the franchise, I think. Really, Dusty Baker is, but your point is that you think Jacoby should be fired. From all I can see, Baker is the hitting coach.

Could be true Bruce vs. Votto. Good point.

I agree that Baker has his hands in the hitting camp. Most managers that were decent hitters usually lend their 2 cents. It's not the averages, OPS, OBP, etc... that bother me. It's the sense that this team has no approach. The young hitters appear to have no plan at the plate or know what their responsibilities are in a given situation. This is where a COACH comes into the picture. Guidance. This team is misguided. It's not just Jacoby but he's the sore thumb. JMO.

redsmetz
06-15-2009, 02:24 PM
Is it unreasonable to suggest that Jacoby was brought in because of his past success with Dunn in the minors? I know that's fairly narrow, but I don't ever get a sense that Brook Jacoby is ever doing anything. If this was the case (and I certainly understand I could be wrong and misreading the situation), maybe it is time to get a new batting coach.

traderumor
06-15-2009, 02:39 PM
Could be true Bruce vs. Votto. Good point.

I agree that Baker has his hands in the hitting camp. Most managers that were decent hitters usually lend their 2 cents. It's not the averages, OPS, OBP, etc... that bother me. It's the sense that this team has no approach. The young hitters appear to have no plan at the plate or know what their responsibilities are in a given situation. This is where a COACH comes into the picture. Guidance. This team is misguided. It's not just Jacoby but he's the sore thumb. JMO.Hmmm, young hitters--Dickerson, Votto, Hanigan, Bruce, Janish. The only one who has struggled with approach is the youngest, Bruce. That could be execution as much as not properly instructed. I'm not seeing that as a valid reason. Like I said, I don't know if Jacoby is good or not, but I do not agree with that reasoning.

Team Clark
06-15-2009, 02:42 PM
Hmmm, young hitters--Dickerson, Votto, Hanigan, Bruce, Janish. The only one who has struggled with approach is the youngest, Bruce. That could be execution as much as not properly instructed. I'm not seeing that as a valid reason. Like I said, I don't know if Jacoby is good or not, but I do not agree with that reasoning.

Young hitters need the most help. Quite frankly, I don't see where they are getting it.

Big Klu
06-15-2009, 06:31 PM
I don't know Brook Jacoby should or should not be fired. I thought he should have been fired last year, but I actually think he is doing a better job this year than last. Personally, I don't think that Chris Chambliss ever should have been let go.

However, if Jacoby is fired, who would take his place? One name has popped into my head as a possible wild card: Kevin Mitchell. I don't know if he would be interested in the job, and I don't know if the Reds would be interested in him, but I know one thing--Mitch was born to hit. I'm sure he could teach the kids something about mental approach.

VR
06-15-2009, 06:53 PM
However, if Jacoby is fired, who would take his place? One name has popped into my head as a possible wild card: Kevin Mitchell. I don't know if he would be interested in the job, and I don't know if the Reds would be interested in him, but I know one thing--Mitch was born to hit. I'm sure he could teach the kids something about mental approach.

He's playing on my old senior league (over 30) team in San Diego. Still loves to play apparently.

Redmachine2003
06-15-2009, 07:00 PM
Is it unreasonable to suggest that Jacoby was brought in because of his past success with Dunn in the minors? I know that's fairly narrow, but I don't ever get a sense that Brook Jacoby is ever doing anything. If this was the case (and I certainly understand I could be wrong and misreading the situation), maybe it is time to get a new batting coach.

I thought it was Mike Greenwell that got Dunn going.

Ravenlord
06-15-2009, 07:31 PM
I thought it was Mike Greenwell that got Dunn going.

i believe that's whom many on here wanted to go help Dunn.

redsfan4445
06-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Is it unreasonable to suggest that Jacoby was brought in because of his past success with Dunn in the minors? I know that's fairly narrow, but I don't ever get a sense that Brook Jacoby is ever doing anything. If this was the case (and I certainly understand I could be wrong and misreading the situation), maybe it is time to get a new batting coach.

Mike Greenwell was the guy that helped Dunn the most. He quit being part of the Reds minor leauges.. i dont know if it was because the reds refused to bring him to the Majors, or what it was. but it Was Greenwell not Jacoby that helped dunn

Team Clark
06-15-2009, 11:09 PM
Mike Greenwell was the guy that helped Dunn the most. He quit being part of the Reds minor leauges.. i dont know if it was because the reds refused to bring him to the Majors, or what it was. but it Was Greenwell not Jacoby that helped dunn

Actually Greenwell was in the bigs as a hitting coach for the Reds on an interim basis. While here he broke his hand in a soft toss drill. He left the organization soon after because his businesses in Florida were suffering without his full attention. Greenwell received high praise for his ability to work with all players and all approaches.

Ron Madden
06-16-2009, 04:41 AM
I'd really like to see Chris Chambliss come back as Reds Hitting Coach.

He taught plate discipline.

redsmetz
06-16-2009, 05:35 AM
Mike Greenwell was the guy that helped Dunn the most. He quit being part of the Reds minor leauges.. i dont know if it was because the reds refused to bring him to the Majors, or what it was. but it Was Greenwell not Jacoby that helped dunn

Here's an article by Sheldon back in 2007 when Jacoby started with the Reds. It mentions that Jacoby had been a roving instructor and worked with Dunn while in the minors.

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070307&content_id=1832313&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp

I don't know much about Jacoby. You almost never hear from him and maybe that's the correct thing ("face of the team" etc.) - afterall I really don't want a collection of coaches yammering on all the time; you know "loose lips" and all that. But I do wonder about what effect he's having on the team. It doesn't seem evident at the present.